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is also counted as a household." But in Canada a household is "A census couple family consists of a couple living together (married or common-law, including same-sex couples) living at the same address with or without children." The huge difference is that the US includes single person as a household and unrelated people as household whereas Canada only includes 2+ people that must be related.
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