Knowledge talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 22

460:. I've been a video game fan all of my life and Knowledge is the only place I can remember hardware being pigeon holed in to specific generations, is it a U.S. thing? I can't recall any article I've read in the U.K. ever referring to Console X being first generation or Console Y being 5th generation, the only time I can remember the word generation being used was as a tag for either next generation or last generation. As for as what the answer should be - I think it should be calendar based. If I said to a total novice on the subject that there were great advances in science and exploration during the Elizabethan era, it means nothing unless you know what dates the Elizabethan era relates to. I feel the same about hardware generations and they haven't got a hard cold fact like a birth or death of a monarch to provide a definite start and end date. The best answer though already exists, it's the time line on the 485:

there was a good three generations of home consoles prior to that at the minimum. Implying x-gen on any series of systems starting anywhere leaves a potential of bias by the person(s) developing the definition. Even the use of x-bit, while still a commonly used gauge, is now becoming an irrelevant benchmark... Arguably, that benchmark wasn't very effective ever as has always been misapplied by marketing staff to make their product sound superior. At best, we could maybe come up with some form of measurable benchmark in gaming or interactions that can be quantified akin to what we have in processors, such as Mhz, and Cores (although that's a whole other can of worms in and of itself). I would there has to be some amount of distinction between Skeet Shooters, Pong, 2600, NES, MasterSystem, etc..., etc... Hmmm...

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exceptionally popular in comparison in the UK vs. NA. And if we look at the fact that the DS was probably the most successful Nintendo system in the UK, with its second best-selling game being Brain Training, that it is a lot more popular in the UK. In NA? Nintendogs, New Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart DS, and Super Mario 64 DS. Let's say Brain Age sold 1.4 million (about what it did sell) in NA, and 2.1 in Europe. If the UK is 1/3 of the industry in Europe, and the DS' popularity is highest in France, Germany and the UK in Europe, then it'd be a fair statement to say that something like 1/4 of its sales in Europe come from the UK. And considering NA is significantly larger than the UK, it'd be 500,000 versus 1.3 million, great considering the population differences. -

5739:, and am in the process of adding an appropriate banner for it to the existing set of pinball pages. At least in pages dealing with specific machines my plan was to replace the existing CVG banner with this new one. I don't know yet if WPB will ultimately become a task force or child project of an existing one, but for now it seems less confusing to anyone editing the page to only have one project to look to for information, and at least right now it seems that the new project is in a better position to provide the kind of topic-specific assistance an editor would need. So I'm going to move forward with it, but please discuss it with me as soon as possible if I'm somehow stepping one someone's toes. Thanks, 219:

Master System." This might get unwieldy if you keep using the full names, but perhaps you could use the common abbreviations. If you divided it up by year, it would be good to have some independent source on picking exactly which years. If there's no outside source, perhaps you can pick the years as being those years in which one of the combatants had the highest sales volume of all consoles. For instance, even though the Xbox/PS2/Nintendo GameCube war might arguably have been going on through the release of the Xbox 360, once the 360 got the highest sales volume, the Xbox/PS2/GC war's dates would be through and the 360/PS3/Wii war's dates would begin.

111:, a discussion has been brewing over re-naming the generation names. In it's current state, they are simply numbered. What was proposed to be changed in this article specifically was changing certain generations to be related to processor word size, or "Bittage" because it has been suggested the current format is original research (despite there being other instances where generations have been listed in books and online). The problem with the proposed system, as it was nearly a year ago when it was originally in place, is that it is confusing and there are several notable cases where systems do not fit ( 4073:

one, not the original. This may not be as true among more hardcore games, but I think it's definitely true among casual and younger gamers. Anyway, the longer a series is, the more likely a passing reference to it is really referring to a later game. Even for short series, some still want to have the series be the "main" article; for exmaple, Star Ocean is a much less notable game than SO2 or SO3, since it never received a US release. For only 2 or 3 game series, I can see the benefit of having the first game at the base article, but again, I'd want to judge that on a case-by-case basis.

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referencing easy. If the whole point of this discussion is to avoid original research, defined as creating new ideas from existing knowledge, I'd say that any name you give an era is going to fall into original research, unless you borrow all era names from authoritative sources. Even if you do that you're going to run into problems of inconsistencies because I doubt every source has the exact same name and date for video game history eras. From a historical perspective, a number series of generations is neutral, functional, and, best of all, simple.

31: 411:"first/second/etc. generation" is fine; it's short (unlike the proposed list-all-systems-in-a-generation idea) and it's not technically confusing (unlike the suggestion to use the bittage of each system). Additional, almost all people would understand the current naming; how many people that aren't video gaming fans understand or care how many bits a system's processor has (or if they even know what that means) or the systems in a given generation? The current naming is fine as it is. 5372:, the games sections seem like a "how to play the game" guide. Knowledge isn't a guide, shouldn't all this information be removed? The Wii has unique controls: but that doesn't mean each game article for Wii games should list the controls. Gaming sites are how people learn how to play the game, as are instruction booklets. In my opinion: Knowledge shouldn't be an online instruction booklet/how to play guide. What does everyone else think about this? 2887:. Currently it's used for people to request for someone to look at an article and assess it, aka give it a rating and possibly a short list of pointers. If interest grows, it is planned to include a formalized A-class assessment, similar to the MilHist's A class subgroup. So, come on by! Nominate an article! Assess one! I'll at least look at any nominated articles, so you'll get more feedback than you get at Peer Review these days. -- 1761:

whatever (which I have seen on their user pages), they are editing for the wrong reasons. It should be about editing, not how many you have... end of story. Decent people don't just volunteer at a soup kitchen or wherever, just to get credit by saying "I've worked this many days, now praise me". They do it because it's a good deed. Knowledge editors are volunteers as well, they don't need to be bragging about edit counts. -End rant-

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count, and I display my edits to the page, because from what I've seen, people like seeing someone's experience. Do I care when I made my 20,000th edit, or my 10,000th? Not anymore; I grew past that. So, I understand the point, I just feel that it's not that black and white. Besides, a lot of edits in histories in articles are completely whiped clean (reverts, previous incarnations, etc), but I'm an advocate of keeping the

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for removed content or what not, why should an online encyclopedia have it? It doesn't serve much purpose. I doubt many people come here and think "now I should look at what the redirect page used to be". If an article doesn't belong: it should be in AFD alot of the time.. compared to a redirect. Especially if it's a broad topic: people could argue over what it should be redirected to. AFD is much easier.

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that could happen? Someone might learn something from being redirected to a different article?. The redirect is a wonderful tool, let's use it. Just because one region of the World decides to rename something, why should that one regions' decision count more than all other regions who use a different name? If more regions know it as Brain Training then Brain Training it should be. It's a bit like

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Training (that is, in the countries that have released this game). And English is often the second language of many countries, especially in Europe. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that many people in Europe can edit the en.wiki properly. Hell, English Training has been selling well in many countries which do not speak English, likely to the same people who may be enticed by Brain Training. -

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The creator of this article keeps insisting that it deserves an article, even though it's only 1 small paragraph and is already covered in its entirety at Wii Channels. I redirected the page, but he keeps acting like i'm deleting it and won't listen to reason (I even explained that redirecting is not

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I think you're not quite getting what a "game guide" is (a lot of people have trouble with it). I looked at the Wii Play page, and yes it's a bit instructionish, but most of what's there seems fine. It just needs a bit of cleanup, not the full-fledged cutting your first post seems to imply. Remember,

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I suppose, but it still seems like a how-to guide, that's not the point of Knowledge. The Wii has been popular since it came out, and shows no signs of slowing down (yet at least), so it will be a while before fanboys go home or whatever the case maybe. Isn't it better to eliminate the problem before

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They definitely should be trimmed, but don't burn yourself out over it. A lot of times with articles about TV shows I'll wait to make major edits after a popular season is done or during an episode break, when all the fanboys have gone home, since sometimes if you do it in the middle your efforts are

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This was not a blind effort, the change of the master articles name from "Computer and video games" to "Video game" did go through both discussion and a vote. The idea to change catagories came as a result of that change. After reading the CfD page I'm concerned about the burden of adding this tag to

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Meritable qualifications: Is awarded from a verifiable printed/published source and should be preferably cited. Can include publications that can be considered under first-party control (i.e. Nintendo Power, Official PS Magazine, etc.), but only limited to console games. Includes awards that based on

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I agree, there are too many lists. Which is why I've begun drafting a way to describe the Xenosaga universe and its creation/influences in a better way. A subarticle describing the plot of Xenosaga as a whole will help eliminate a lot of the listcruft (namely "others" and "organizations", and most of

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Ok, well either way: redirects just to save the history isn't needed in my opinion. The relevant information is kept on articles, there is no need for a complete log of every article ever in Knowledge history (with the exception of deleted things obviously). A real encyclopedia doesn't have a section

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Knowledge is about editing: not bragging that you have "100455445" number of edits. What's the purpose of saying you have a certain number of edits, when they belong to things that aren't even being used anymore (from redirect articles)? If people come here just to brag about edit counts for glory or

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Jacoplane, do you have time to assess articles? I'm getting a little tired of assessing right now, so I won't be doing it as much as I have in the past. Also: is it correct to put list articles as NA class? That's what I've been doing, since it's pretty hard to assess lists usually: since it's just a

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Yeah, it is kinda complicated, but either it's this, or staying with the current system, changing back to the awful "bittage/generation name" system, or going date-based. I would throw out the bittage/generation name system because it's too arbitrary. Besides, we can explain the names in the actual

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Creating a poll seems to be a good idea. At least it might resolve the dispute at some level. I agree with BcRIPster that before the pool could be established, first we have to know what choices people have for the vote. The following options seem to be possible categorizing methods (please feel free

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Generally, the specific generations aren't used. You just look back through history to see where the lines are drawn. When SNES was around, N64 was called next-gen. When N64 was around, NGC was called next gen. When NGC was around, Wii was called next gen. Really, the generation gaps are pretty clear

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I agree that using time period might be a good idea here e.g. 1993-1998, 1999-2003. The question which might raised that some 15-year old console is still being sold today even though the new console platform such as PS3 and Wii are already launched seems to be trivia since when we talk about console

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page. Perhaps the dispute can be resolved without dealing with the meta-discussion over how to divide up video game history. One way would be to name the different wars after their participants. For instance, instead of "Third Generation," it could be called "Nintendo Entertainment System vs. Sega

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The only "real" naming convention is "Use whatever's most well known in English". If whatever passes for an "official" English name is neither well-known nor consistent (as seems to be the case based solely upon the above information), then it's fine to stick with the Japanese. "Official"-ness isn't

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As of now: there is 6370 computer and video game stubs! This is the biggest class of articles currently for the CVG project (start class is second with 4541 currently). Since I'm bored with just assessing, I'm going to go through stubs: improve them, change them to the proper class (when needed) and

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Knowledge's policy on fair use is fairly clear on this matter. You are not permitted to include fair use images in galleries. In general screenshots are only permitted when they illustrate an important aspect that is reflected in the article text. Also (I know BcRIPster will disagree with me on this

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is a good example; we took the listcruft and turned it into a general article. That is a major solution, because it presents the material in an encyclopedic manner and eliminates the trivia. But I could ramble on and on about this idea; the basic thing is yes, lists are an issue, and they need to be

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Without the edit histories, keeping track of article changes, including vandalism, would be impractical or nonexistent. In fact, vandalism on Knowledge would probably increase tenfold. In my opinion, edit histories for every piece of media that can be edited are essential for those reasons. Not that

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Here's the main problem though: other regions don't have consistant enough information. Can we know for sure exactly which games were released in Australia, Korea, China, etc? You look at pretty much any site we'll be using for sources (IGN, GameFaqs, GameSpot, etc.) and they'll say USA, Europe, and

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What are your examples of the headers? I actually don't mind the current system as it is, but it kinda caused the whole revert edit problem in the first place. I now think we should not use the terms 8-bit and 16-bit in the headers due to the technicality of 8-bit. Besides, it is explained in the

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but it has a massive advantage in giving the reader the facts straight away. It also works in reverse, if you were researching the Sega Mega Drive a quick look at the headings and you would instantly know that it's main rival was the SNES, as opposed to searching the generations and then finding the

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Well, the only verifiable naming scheme is 8-bit and 16-bit. That's exactly what I am proposing, just divided up I would hope, since gaming is divided up by different "wars". Multiple "wars" may happen in a given era, so dividing the era is needed. As far as 3D gaming goes, there's no official name,

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A few thoughts: "first generation" and "second generation" have pretty much never been used. When referring to the console wars, an outsider would call them the "8-bit wars". Everything doesn't have to be strict and numbered. In reality, the history of video games was never divided up so definitely.

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For me, there are no overwhelming arguments on either side, and I'm quite open to foreign box art as mentioned above. But what I don't take kindly at, is that cover art images are being removed just because they aren't American. In the end, protracted arguments with no overwhelming arguments such

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in which it has been determined that the main article space should be for the first game and not the series. While not as fully clear, it was also mostly determined by the conversation that articles with multiple (3+) pages of the same title should have the main space for disambiguation. Also, it's

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That's great advice. Thank-you, I will contact him directly. FWIW, my knowledge on the matter comes from my experience in commercial publishing over the years and even recent interactions with the attorney where I work who is responsible for dealing with these types of issues regarding web content.

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Character lists are the only ones that should remain. But not all character lists: if there is several lists for one game (minor, major, secondary characters, etc), it needs to be put into one article. One character list is good enough in my opinion. Also, character lists should be for a major game

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had apply to the game lists as well? As nice as it would be to have three clear-cut regions in which games are released, this is rather inaccurate in many cases, missing out some regions (like Australia), and having flags incorrectly representing others (like US implying North America). I apologize

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I think using first generation, second generation, etc. would be misleading if that is not the way they are generally identified. If I was doing research on this topic and I saw the heading "first generation", I think I would assume that it was the authoritative way to refer to the consoles in that

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Truth is, this "1st gen" and "2nd gen" is original research. I have never seen it anywhere else. That one book that orders the generations is that - one book. The name should not be defined by one person's ideas - it should be defined by it's parts. The "current" era would be Wii, 360, PS3. No one,

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If a game series also has one of its games called that (like Metal Gear), then the article about the series should have (series) at the end. So the article about the first game in the Metal Gear series would be at Metal Gear and the article about the series in general would be Metal Gear (series).

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point :), the fact that your screenshots are "self made" has absolutely no meaning whatsoever since the copyright of all screenshots of proprietary software belongs to the developer of said software. The person who takes the screenshot has no rights whatsoever beyond what is permitted by fair use.

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Reviews typically have a greater quantity of screen shots than what one would think is necessary because of the nature of a review. This applies to all products. Look at a car review. If you're buying something visually appealing, you're going to want to know what it looks like. Since Knowledge is

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works); it is a good gauge of experience for people visitng a userpage and may just plainly show that people are proud of their contributions. It's like saying "I've been working at the soup kitchen for five years" in a way, but not so that people can boost self esteem. I provide a link to my edit

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I would not have a problem with a date based system, but the other question is what we would title each header. Putting all the major consoles' names/abbreviations seems to be the least biased, but also the terms "8-bit" and "16-bit" are considered de facto for those two generations. However, if

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Yes, I'm sorry, that is what I meant: pinball machines and anything that is pretty much exclusive to the physical pinball world (tournaments, terminology, etc.). For anything else dual banners, I agree with consensus, seems optimal. While we're at it, can you direct me to any past discussion on

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I'm utterly against the use of the N64, Dreamcast, and Sega Mega Drive controllers. I think what best represents gaming as a whole would be a joystick, even though it is not in use. The next best alternative would be the Dual Shock design (best selling, I think) and after that the NES controller;

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mass change. It's possible that I could be convinced on specific cases, but I don't see consistency as particularly offering anything here. Notably, random people refer to liking sequels as liking (game name) often; someone saying that they liked the Zelda game is likely referring to the latest

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Hi everyone. It seems we need some moderation in the PSP article, as we have one user accusing the other of owning the article, another one accusing one of being an idiot, and it's generally taking up far too much bandwidth (precious...). If someone would like to step in to arbitrate, it would be

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My stance is that if it is sold in more territories (all territories regardless of language) under the name it was given in it's country of origin, then that name should take precedences. If it was renamed for just one or two territories then that/those names should be redirects. What's the worst

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is why not. The best reason I can think of for US-centricism is that most major gaming sites are also US-centric. So the rest of the world is probably more aware of the US than the US is aware of the rest of the world (as sad as that is). Practically speaking, I think redirects and lead sentences

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what he thinks is in the best interest of the foundation. Certainly I have no wish for us to be liable for copyright infringement, but Knowledge is full of copyrighted fair use screenshots of games, films and other media that were not uploaded by the person who took the screenshot, and if you are

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Disqualifications: Is awarded by a single person/entity, particularly including editorials. Is awarded by a publisher or developer of games, if not a console game. Award is immaterial, non-sequitor (sic) to the intrinsic or monetary value of the game (i.e. the Milk Farmers' Association of America

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The Nintendo Project uses their own assesment catagories, for some reason, even though they just mirror the CVG cats the article's allready in. Since the zeldaproj template calls the (unassessed) Nintendo project template, it gets put in unassessed. The zeldaproj template needs to be completely

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It's almost complete... finally! As of now: 290 are left in the main section (the table says 353, because the total is only updated once a day). There is some in Halo and Mortal Kombat sub-cats as well. If more people can pitch in, it should be done by the end of the week. Then assessment will be

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I'm going to say 1 is the best right now. Again, I've never personally had a problem with it, but it caused the revert edit war, but if 1 becomes the general consensus, that's another story. To respond to you, Scepia, I would rather give consideration to the terms "8-bit" and "16-bit" for those

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Please don't replace the banner. A lot of articles fall in multiple projects- anime games in WP:ANIME and WP:CVG, game developers in WP:BIO and CVG, and so forth. As Pinball does not fall entirely within CVG, but instead overlaps it in places, consensus has been that both should be left there.

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looked like. Basically this is a seven-game series Nintendo has put out in Japan on the GBA. The games are all very simple in design, graphics, and controls. A couple of the games have articles, but I think they might be better off all in the same article, as the games can be described in just a

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Eh, I think it's time for the Foundation to come in and start establishing some really solid rules here. This is far, far beyond the scope of what editors should do. This is a legal issue. The "Elimination of Fair Use Rationel on Promotional Photographs" - where a majority voted against outright

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With 4 supports for game and none for series, I'm going to start implementing it as policy. I ask that this conversation not be archived for a couple of days though and am not going to fully close it, just in case people get interested in the debate after the moves are made. I am going to make a

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I also suggest that first we should vote for the method we would like to categorize the information and once we have an idea which method might be used then we move to the next question of “how” to do it in detail (for example, the question of how the year under the Hybrid method will be divided

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I'm all for the date system myself, but the question is where to make the year breaks. Would it just be console specific and leave handhelds/arcade to fall into each slot accordingly? Using Nintendo as a metric for spans gives us the closest level of constancy dating back to 1977, but what about

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As far as I can tell, it's generally come down to this: leaving the system as it is, or moving to a date based system. Both are quite neutral, both can be constituted as not being OR, and both aren't nearly as confusing as some of the alternatives mentioned. If we can't come to a consensus, then

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The bigger problem is, where do you define the starting point. Just by nature of saying 8-bit, you are implying NES/SegaMaster System and beyond. Yes it's easy to use Nintendo as a benchark since there systems are released in measured five year increments to compare against... Technically though

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If the cumbersome naming problem were solved, what would you think then? For instance, I suggested using common acronyms or shortened versions of names (like leaving off the manufacturer). "Dreamcast/PS2/Nintendo GameCube/Xbox" is the worst we'd have under that system, which I don't think is a

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Actually, as far as sourcing is concerned, I'm quite confident that this info can be sourced by the Brady Games' strategy guides; plus, as for edit warring, as of now, it's only been a select number of people, and, I can personally say that, even with sourcing, they might still try to get their

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Ok, in line with the "Computer and Video Game" moniker, I've started a list of chapter titles, please help fill this out before we move to a concensus. This list needs to include markers for handheld systems and arcade I belive. Also we need to make sure that all catagories are inclusive of top

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There seem to be objections to using time periods, bits and the first generation, second generation naming scheme. Are there any objections to using the "Nintendo Entertainment Systems vs. Sega Master System suggested by Scorchus? It is not as elegant and streamlined as some of the other naming

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That debate doesn't seem to be very helpful. It's confusing, and I'm not quite sure what was decided. However, I feel that disambig pages should be handled on a case by case basis, and only when there are three or more links to include. However, most of these really only have the game then the

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And just to make a point, the English Wiki exists outside of North America and the UK. Not only have we not equated Australia and New Zealand into this - both of which call it Brain Training - but every country in the world with the exceptions of Canada and the United States use the name Brain

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The English-language version was released by a small Italian publisher, 505 GameStreet, with an advertising budget of about £0.37, hence the lack of reviews to cite. Another of the series, which is the same game but with two additional characters, is being released in Europe by another firm (a

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I think the main problem is that editors (including myself) have so much stuff on the list that it will take some time to get to these issues, unless we get additional editors interested. Right now, the info is fine for a transwiki (like most lists), but it is in need of a reorganization and a

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deleting, and that the page offers nothing different than the Wii Channels page). He doesn't seem to want to discuss it on his talk page or at the Wii Channels talk page (where I told him to discuss it). If anybody could help (advice on how to deal with him, some of you maybe talking to him).

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1 million copies at the end of it. The UK accounts for 1/3 of the video game industry in Europe, and if we examined how well the DS sold in North America in contrast to the population of it and examined how well the DS sold in the UK in constrast to the population of it, we see that the DS is

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makes a good example for discussion. I believe from the standpoint of fair use, you can use as many photos as necessary to illustrate your point or to highlight elements of the information the page is providing. There has to be a level of self restraint though where typically an Editor would

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is another good example of listcruft that should be put on a fan wiki. Why should it be an exception, just because it's a popular series? Weapon lists, item lists, vehicle lists and so on are still the same: cruft that belongs elsewhere. Anyone want to comment about this? Knowledge isn't a

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series, then it would be valid to include a screen shot from each game showing the graphical evolution of the franchise... If you were doing an article about the variations in a game from platform to platform, then a set of photos representing the game on each platform would be appropriate.

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I agree with NeoChaosX's sentiment. We can all agree bit # doesn't mean anything; that's why marketers stop using to sell consoles. If we're going to break video game history into eras (e.g. 1993 to 1997) then we have to find defining points as well as give it a name for the sake of making

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One additional thing: we have to remember that Knowledge is supposed to a general purpose encyclopedia; whatever naming we use has to be clear not only to video game fans, but also those that have never touched a video game in their life. That being said, I think the current standard of

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article, where a lot of this debate comes from, I wouldn't necessarily include Mac/PC or Mac/Win as really right now I don't know of many significant games being released on Mac OS X. Also, the PC Vs Mac war was never about gaming, nor are these systems considered "consoles" by gamers

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I'd say it's way too combersome, and also would be inevitably leaving out some fairly notable consoles. Are we actually going to consider renaming the Sixth Generation to "Sega Dreamcast vs PlayStation 2 vs Nintendo GameCube vs Microsoft Xbox"? Seems too much, even without Dreamcast. -

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Ok, so the page has been unprotected and it looks like we should just keep things as they are. The headers appear to be untouched as of right now and it's time to clean up the article. The general consensus is to use the current system; this poll is closed; thank you for your input.

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collection of information (which is a guideline that seems to be ignored quite alot when these lists get made). Can some sort of guideline be agreed on about lists? In a section above, there is several Zelda listcruft articles as well. This problem doesn't seem to be improving much.

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It's experienced a low (or no) amount of attention, recently, yet this is, possibly, one of the most warred-over video game pages. Frankly, at this point, I don't really care what happens to the article, as long as it's reasonable and thought-out. I just feel this article needs to be

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I've started noticing a lot more of these article popping up lately. I'm wondering if it's worthwhile trying to set up some sort of guidelines on what is and is not generally appropriate? I generally frown upon these articles because games are not just collections of parts. Comments?

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The /title/ of the "song" article is wrong, cruft or not. Regardless of what the game calls them, most of the music on that list aren't songs...a better term would be "Source music in the Legend of Zelda series" -- unfortunetly, most game article editors would be baffled by that, I

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Another issue is the concept of the GDFL; previous authors must be credited (the creditation on Wiki is edit history). For instance, when we transwiki articles, we have to copy and paste the edit histories over. This is a good reason why merges are often followed by redirects. —

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not IGN, not GameSpot, not Joystiq or any other source is calling this the generation. It's the current/next gen, but the important thing is what consoles are out. As far as updating wikilinks go... it doesn't matter. Lazyness should never stop us from building an encyclopedia.

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I think we said the same thing, but your clarification on use with galleries was good, and is generally applicable even outside of Knowledge. I will disagree with you on the screenshot thing though (surprise =D ) but only on your one point... The copyright of the screenshot

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I've been considering adding Awards sections to several of the older classic games articles from the NES and SNES eras. However, there is the issue of whether certain awards are of merit. I was thinking about criteria that might qualify an award (or conversely, disqualify).

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1: Too much work and not enough pay off to justify changing the current system. Until there are numerous video game historians out there who come to a consensus on labeling different video game system eras (if ever), there's no real motivation to change the current system.

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Exactly! That's the kind of precedence I need. Sega Genesis is probably more known in English countries, but we went for the Mega Drive. And I realize that redirects help, but some people don't feel that we should compromise on one region's naming conventions, you know? -

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for any legal guidance for Knowledge on the issue. This morning, much to my dismay he has indicated (and I am paraphrasing) that he does not feel that this is a discussion for him to become involved in, and that the editors should continue to work towards a consensus.

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doesn't give any conclusive statement on whether a large number of screenshots is allowed (I'm taking into account both Knowledge policy and copyright issues), which brings me to the obvious question: Assuming they're organized into a gallery similar to the one in the

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page for instance. Should it include things like the Dreamcast VCD player, or it's internet browsers? Might a global rename of these pages to the more inclusive "List of XXX Titles" make sense, with redirects from the existing Games pages to avoid breaking anything.

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If someone was to say "I like Mortal Kombat", I would think they were talking about the game, and not the series as a whole. Generally, I think people tend to add the word 'series' when they are talking of such. I think people would be more likely to say "I like the

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Not only is it OR, it is gamecruft. I've actually played the games (well, Morrowind and Oblivion) and not only do I not care about the "architecture" of the series (some people may, I don't), almost anything relating to that would be breaking Or and gamecruft rules.

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and a lack of opposition elsewhere I attempted the merge on January 15. Post-merge I've had two objections, one of which said that I "should have brought up the merge with the various projects that manage those covers" (which I thought I was doing when I informed

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I disagree with SeizureDog's assesment. I've found "I like Final Fantasy" is usually talk about the series, if not a specific game in the series that isn't the first (VII for instance). Frankly I don't care much which way this goes, as long as there is a standard.

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Done :) Hopefully I'll be able to pick up speed and get the hang of referencing - it's one of those jobs with CVG articles that could be done repeatedly for an overall benefit. In the meantime I'll try to build this article up more and get the hang of images too.

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onto them. Simply possessing the game and creating two or three screenshots is also quicker and more efficient than contacting the individuals who originally published the images, unless a given scene in a game is only accessible through hours of poring over said

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Indeed, there is no need to have these articles on Knowledge. The ones on the Zelda fansites (the names of which I've completely forgotten, but they're the large well-known ones, so you probably know which ones I'm talking about) are just as good, if not better.

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has a section on controls. Ultimately it's a matter of how significant the controls are to the game. In the case of Wii games, the controls are much more significant than mere button mappings (Pretty much ALL the reviews cover how the controls work and "feel").

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I don't think it would be either, my only motivation for doing so is "I can figure out how to work this version", rather than "my way is better" or some other arrogant thought. Thanks, I'll see if anyone else has an opinion and if not start in a couple of days.

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up to Featured List status. This is an article everyone can help on, as all that's needed atm is busywork. If each member could try to table one letter of a section, we could get this up to snuff in no time. For reference, the finished product should look like

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approach may be better. Something along the lines of a cropped version of the game logo (assuming that that's common to the disputing regions) with the actual different covers in the article. Or smaller versions of both/all covers instead of a single cover. -

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You might not want to hear this, but I think this is a sign the article should be deleted. The problem with this article is the same with many of wikipedia articles about minor fictional groups/characters; the sources, outside of the game's story, don't exist

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war I think it is better to focus on the console that mainly promoted by the manufacturer at that time. For example, in my opinion, if we talk about the console war today it should be considered as the war between PS3 and Wii etc. not between the PS1 and Wii.

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mentioned and I understand this issue is not always easy to resolve. As I mentioned, I do not plan to create galleries with an overabundance of screenshots, as that would be both unnecessary and illegal; this is also why I selected specific screenshots for

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Well, the issue at hand here, is that should we have a high level, "Use only Region-X artwork" rule, or the current laissez-faire attitude. Should cover art be replaced because it is not from America? Which is what had happened, and might still happen at

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is excellent in showing the growth of an artcle and where information began and how (and what) was merged. If all aspects of the article are impossible to be included in any others in any way, then deletion is the solution. Also, not all people place edit

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Why not just stick to the original european cover? If we're going to have a split cover approach, do the project's guidelines want amending to reflect this preferred approach? I guess I'm concerned that we're going start having this on other titles like

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11 million, Brain Age sold 1.4 million to barely over 10 million. That's a significantly different attach ratio. The problem is verification - to say that Trace Memory is more popular is original research, and Google results are not an adequate source. -

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I'm going to agree with Mitaphane here. The fact that the info's unsourced to begin with already made it a prime target for AfD; the edit-warring you're describing means that this article needs to be put out of it's misery soon, and the namespace salted.

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I come, again, about the same article; this article has experienced much strife, mainly edit warring. The current issues with said article are: lack of sources and content disputes. I bring this up again because I feel that this page needs to be assessed

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I don't understand; why do folk support changing the project name? What's wrong with the current name? And is this just a name change, or also an effort to address "computer games" separately from "video games"? I personally think they belong together.

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Personally I would clean up the use of the images on that page, and determine just what is really needed. I didn't read the page all the way through, so I'm not sure how all of them relate to the article though. As for the fair-use issue, I have written

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correct then this is an issue that would certainly make us liable. If you really want to resolve this, my advice would be to get Brad involved in this discussion, since he's the person who has the last say in any legal matters the foundation might face.

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I say... put the article in AFD. If it gets deleted: not a big deal. A new channel doesn't need an article just yet. If the channel becomes alot more notable later, then it can get re-added. As of now: it's discussed just fine on the Channels article.

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I'll go with 1. Number 2 doesn't cover all the gaming in a given era. What handhelds were made in the SNES/GEN era? Number 3 is overly arbitrary. Did the gen start in 2003 or 2004 or 2005? I prefer 8-bit and 16-bit... but that's not an option.

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I don't blame you, now that I'm able to see where this is coming from, I doubt if this will generate any controversy, but the lack of a CFD caused me to wonder if someone was trying to vandalize things, especially when the the redirecting of

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generations in the article itself, rather than in the title, because of the technicality of 8-bit being before that generation as well. I'll also agree that we should not have to do needless effort. I'll use the KISS acronym for this one.--

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I'll work on assessing articles too once I've finished tagging pages. I also use AWB for assessing, since the "manually assess" feature greatly speeds it up. Regarding lists, I don't think that's the way to go really, since lists can become

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This seems like the most logical way to do it. Make sure that the article on the original game contains a {{dablink}} tag up top that points to the appropriate article on the entire series, and I think you've got all the bases covered.

5870:, it states for spelling, "If an article is predominantly written in one type of English, aim to conform to that type rather than provoke conflict by changing to another". This is the kind of attitude I take towards cover art issues.-- 3136:). As it is now, this change has the appearance of an attempt to make a change by stealth. I don't care which name is used, but considering the large number of articles and categories this affects, it needs to be widely discussed not 2083:

Frecklefoot, don't worry about it we've got the ball rolling. Let's go with it. As I mentioned on the talk page, I've started moving catagories. I'm starting from the top down but it's a huge effort, any want to help, let's get to it.

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incorrect viewpoint across on the article. It's not even really large amounts of info; It's really just the names of the gangs people war over because of said incorrect viewpoints. Plus, the gangs can be classified as characters under

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images cannot be used in galleries, I presume the gallery in the article mentioned should be removed? In terms of appearance, I think it adds to the page, but I suppose that argument pales in comparison to those set out by the law. In

2653:. I recently changed the article name to reflect this, but the article creator has changed it back and labelled this as "tampering". I thought that it was strange to have the Japanese title when an English-language one was available. 186:. The whole point is that 1st gen, etc. implies that things are black and white, and that nothing has changed except for the number. In reality, things had gone from 8 to 16 bit, to 3D, which one would never know from the naming now. 4098:

There isn't any consistency because the game titles haven't been consistent either. For instance, there hasn't been a "Mario Kart" game; it's been "Super" "64" "DS" "Super Circuit" and "Double Dash!!" Therefore, having the page at

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Just stop the original research and put facts: How are the articles used as references calling it? Fetch the most used, and choose it. The article was originally at "Brain Age" if I recall correctly, before it was moved around. --

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I suppose you have some good points, even though I don't agree with them completely. Anyway: back to the list topic at hand. Here is a good example of lists that should be looked at, and considered for moving to a video game wiki:

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The games in it should be described : plus a link to the game article as well. So a Dr. Mario section: with a link to the full article, and a small description. Repeat for the other games, and that's the article (in my opinion).

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is what was placed on the box of the original NES Zelda game). That being a pretty clear way to identify what the article should be called with hardly a chance for confusion (games in big series like MG, FF, etc. rarely use the

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The idea is not about vandalism, it's about keeping the evolution of the information present when it's being used for other articles. If no information is used on any other articles, that's where the edit history is obsolete. —

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That is true; Knowledge does have a tendency to be ethnocentric in regards to the North American user base. This is no one's fault in particular, but traditionally all game articles go by their North American names (see:

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It is a problem; the best thing to do is to not take these to AfD; instead, merge and redirect. This is the best way to keep everyone happy and keep things on a professional level. If it can't be merged, just redirect. —

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This is stupid. If we are going to rename the "generations", it should be based on time periods, not bits. How can the Game Boy Color be considered part of the "32-bit / 64-bit era"? We'd be better off renaming them like

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So, by your calculations (assumptions, assumptions, and assumptions) the European name is less popular overall in the English-speaking populace. We're kinda looking at total numbers, not percentage in whatever country.

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Because A- links are for useful information, so a standard link wouldn't be appropriate, since sometimes there's nothing there, and B- that wouldn't discourage people from putting in game-guide info in the slightest.

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Also, about that site, yes, most of the information is OR and fan fiction, though some info about the story and events is true. Anything that comes from that site that is not about the story is total fan fiction. ♣

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I would say that a photo to illustrate a concept, character or mechanic. If the item being illustrated is something new to gaming or the game popularizes it, I'd say more photos of that element would be appropriate.

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is more well known as a film now, but the article is on the book. Since every game is the series is derived from the first, the game takes priority over the series. However this is all moot, as I've suggested that

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article is now protected due to edit warring over the cover art. Since when was it dictated that all cover art, be it albums, books or games should be the American version? The PAL (Australia/Europe) cover art

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wasted. Not to say we shouldn't do anything at all, but just saying it's a bit expected for the short term. Also, you get a much easier picture after a little bit of time for what is notable and what isn't. --

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cover art is American. To me, there's never been an overriding "all cover art must be American" rule on Knowledge, across any of its projects and scope. I hope it hasn't started applying here to CVG space.

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or here, so I started to revert it. However, as I started doing reverts, I noticed more than one person doing the edits, so I have to wonder did I miss the conversation, or was my first impression correct?

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1-How about making a link to a sub article that goes into detail about PSP firmware? That seems to be a good compromise between a short, concise firmware section and a informative, detailed firmware section.

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They might apply, but... All 3 of our current featured lists that involve regions (L.O. Virtual Boy Games, N64 Games, and Final Fantasy games) use the flags, so if we change one, we need to change them all.

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Yeah, I would agree there. The (series) articles are best used when every game (or most) in the series follows a similar format, so you don't have to repeat the same information every time for the gameplay

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Does anyone know why the Infobox template has been Protected and Admin only since October? No reason for it was placed on the talk page and no maintenance template added to the template page? There's a

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as the main series page. Resident Evil has transcended the video game world, and thus it's appropriate for a dab page, as some people might only know about the film. I suppose the same might apply to

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article itself. The current system isn't too bad, but is also somewhat arbitrary, although it could be acceptable with some minor changes. I think we should hold a poll over what to use. Our options:

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section, which would not be true. I don't know if I would go as far as to say that it would be original research, but it seems better to list the ranges of years or the acronyms suggested by Scorchus.

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Japan. Just like that. Very few sites will even mention specific releases in other countries. Also, I suspect those releases are reallly no different in terms of what's on the disc. I've got a Korean

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It's not exactly OR though either, it's more of a list in order by chronology. Such things have been used in other places, including at least one book released before these articles used this system.

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I think that if a game is popular in both Europe and America, then we should just have little votes and use the prettier image. For instance, I personally like the cover art for the Euro version of

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ALTTP has gone and moved the article without any support and edited the previous name (so now only an admin can move it back). A simple Google test shows that Brain Age is the far more common name:

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If even the slightest examples are used elsewhere, the edit history is extremely important to chronicle things. The reason I'm against casual deletion is because it destroys edit contributions. —

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if I sound persnickety about this, since I have a lot respect for the work SeizureDog, Timkovski and others are doing here, just want whatever's most appropriate for an accurate Knowledge list. --

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page to have a bigger discussion as I believe after looking at a number of templates, this is a bigger issue than just video game screenshots, and copyright of photos on Knowledge. See you there.

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Obviously, we could create separate projects for every article should we wish to; but, just as obviously, we don't, as it would be much easier to simply collaborate on the talk page. In general,

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Processors = no. Handhelds are far from consoles in power. The Game boy was nothing like the SNES, so it wouldn't be fair to group an entire "generation" as a certain amount of RAM or whatever.

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bluntly says to use the common name. As in, the name known to the most people. Not highest ratio in whatever country. No, this doesn't "count for something", despite your constant insistence.

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Whilst I've always taken it as read that it's preferable to have the English-language name, some guidance on this matter from the CVG project would be appreciated for future reference. Cheers

1702:. In my opinion, it should be on a video game wiki. I'm very tempted to put it in AFD. Lots of systems have multiplayer features: why should Xbox 360 be the exception and get a list article? 3429:

The fact that the Nintendo DS' sales are comparatively high in the UK does say something. There's a reason why we discuss. Consider the attach ratio. Brain Training sold 2.1 million to : -->

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so on. There is many articles that are very borderline and just need a little bit of work to be at least a start, while there is others that need alot of work. Anyone want to help out? See

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Switch it with Brain Age, then. WP:COMMONNAME, does it say "use the common name, period, without considering anything BUT which is more common"? Doubt it. We have to look at attach ratios.

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if there are fewer than a few dozen articles within the projected scope of the project, it would probably be more efficient to simply work within a larger project which includes them.

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SeizureDog I am not going to move them you can do it. If there are any which you can not move for technical reasons then please leave a message on my Talk page and I'll lend a hand--

5347:. While I see nothing wrong here, note that such public calls usually bring as many helpful as vandals, so if you can, keep watch in the articles they have listed there. Thanks. -- 4299:. In that light, the answer would seem to be redirect to the game when if it was specifically named that at one point (e.g. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, The Legend of Zelda, etc. ). — 2620: 4044:. There are some cases where the entire series is obviously more notable than the games they originated from. I'm also sort of concerned about something else: in the case of, say, 747:

Shall we start a poll for leaving it as is or switching to dates? We can leave it open for a week, and if people don't respond then we should leave it as is since it is less work.

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as it described a generic feature in many games. This is really indiscriminate. But some of them just can't be helped unless they are deleted. For instnace, how would you expand

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I say yes. It's either going to be all one way or back to the way it's been. I know this is gonna be heaps of fun. Don't worry though, I'll take care of the "VGIBmaker". :) --

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actual section already. So I would make the titles like above, but without "8-bit" or "16-bit," but I'd like to see some alternative examples before I endorse my version.--

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s case, it may be difficult to integrate the screenshots into the article text, but perhaps this can be resolved by removing an image or two or expanding the article.

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ALTTP has also not provided a source for EU sales numbers, while sales info for it in NA is available. I will request a move back, and hope you folks support it.

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Except that it was originally known as "Mega Drive" in Japan; that's what gave it the extra edge. Genesis/Mega Drive does not serve as precedence in this case.--

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days ago, and got no response. Maybe some people here can help clear this up. Should it be titles or games? It was moved to titles by another editor, because

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Indeed, I've been tagging a lot of articles, so we won't finish the assessment anytime soon. Still, better tag them now so we know the full scope of the task.

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removal of all promo photos - shows how much we clash with the Foundation in this sticky issue. They want totally free, and most of us don't swing that far.

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Sorry if it's not appropriate to post this here, but there don't seem to be a whole lot of editors, let alone adminstrators/moderators keeping an eye on the

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article they're talking about in the Cruft Removal section was started in user space just a couple of days ago, and stuff is getting merged in right now. --

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and didn't have a problem with it, but I'm tempted to add more pictures in other articles, especially if they illustrate an important event in a given game.

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Apple II / Atari / Commodore / IBM / MSX (197?-1986) -- covers PC 1st gen pc gaming - Apple // series, C64 series, Sinclair, RadioShack CoCo, IBM-PC, etc...

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Why not have a standard link to the game's entry on GameFAQs as a method to discourage people populating an article with guide like data? Just a thought...

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I noticed that the Nuvola image that is a universal CVG symbol is PNG and needs to be SVGized. At the same time, it is not polished and modern. Some ideas:

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series. I'm not entirely against disambig pages with just two links, but that doesn't seem to be Wikipolicy unless the two articles are equally well known.

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are expanded, I think several images in addition to those present throughout the article would be useful. Can anyone give any suggestions on this? Thanks,

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Ok, I will go through the NA class category sometime and attempt to assess lists. Is there some sort of guide to assessing lists I can use as an example?

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It doesn't strike me as original research. It's not as well cited as perhaps it could be, but articles on items and abilities are not uncommon. Compare

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would be just fine IMO, as anybody discussing MK would be talking about the series as a whole, while a specific game will have the full game title. The

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Yeah, it is currently OR, bits wouldn't work for handhelds, years wouldn't work for every console, so... how about a more "general" naming system? Like

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to be added to the project? just came out not too long ago and well it hasnt been claimed yet. if anyone else can request it then that would be great.

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Most recognizable version, if you can make a good case. (Metal Gear Solid 2 has the American cover, because the EU version was muchly, muchly delayed.)

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bettter than the American release. I do think that if the cover art is the same we should generally use the American version's though, simply because

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should be a task force of WikiProject Nintendo. Besides, it only has about 10 articles under it's scope (WikiProject RuneScape became a task force of

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entirely possible that I'm missing a bunch of articles that also need to be moved, as, quite unhelpfully, there is no category for video game series.

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Then please feel free to help us do this in the main article. There is a discussion of the revisions to be made going on, on the video game talk page.

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Famicom, Mega Drive and, most definitely Mega-CD. I see your point though and perhaps it's a problem that will only ever be truly solved by having an

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W00t! Commander Keen :D Fond memories there. Funny though, I never knew about that controller. I notice the image has the "bumps" reversed though. --

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cases. However, we're only concerned about English-speaking countries. What ALttP needs to prove is UK sales being greater than US and Canada sales.

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page itself. I have changed the CfD from speedy to regular though and added the qualifier regarding a possible super-catagory of "electronic games".

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I commented on the screenshots being self-made as, to me, it's a safer alternative to snatching pictures from all around the Web and just smacking a

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is back in its original place, yet the game art is American. I've left it like that because I didn't see an overriding reason to get rid of it. The

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I'm considering sending this to AfD as original research and fancruft, but just wanted to get someone elses opinion on it first. Thanks very much,

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agree to it being swapped for is an original Atari 2600 joystick. But before we throw the pad away, have a read about it. The icon is based on the

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on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is

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WPJ name is a completely separate issue from category name, and the latter should definitely get wider consensus. Personally I find it's odd that

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Yeah that is a good idea. We should probably do that on a subpage rather than on this talk page. So is everyone in agreement with the transition?

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But I'd like more input here, on general CVG cover art guidelines (if in fact we need any), and maybe some uninvolved parties to come across to

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That's fine, but before we go that far, we should atleast establish what the options are so that we are sure we get all of the ideas voted on.

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Thanks to both of you. Parser functions was making my mind go screwy...also, lol at misspelling runescape and runscape. I didn't catch that.

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any definitions published by Knowledge must already have been published by a reliable publication in relation to the topic of the article.

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European - it's a game written in Japan, American cover adds no improvement over original European cover, unclear to me why needs changing.

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I'm in favor of putting "(series)" or "series" in the title of the series article, it seems to me most of the game articles are like that.

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not a review site, it would probably be fair to say that excessive screen shots are out of scope for most entries.... Just IMHO of course.

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as stubs so that only other ratings have to be done manually. This can be done for any category in Category:Computer and video game stubs.

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And I have to agree, the articles kinda have no real need to exist, but I think any AFD will result in no consensus in cases like this...

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intervene and say "Is this photo absolutely critical for someone to understand this article". If the answer is no, then don't include it.

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You make a pretty good point SeizureDog, and that's a good enough reason for me to keep it the way it is. Thanks for that explanation. --

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That's still pretty complicated, and if the style of title is going to change with each generation it's going to get pretty confusing. -

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is really getting out of hand and line... he has used a sockpuppet to make personal attacks against me (I've already posted a notice on

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This is just one more example of why this project needs some kind of "collaboration" that is not restricted to stubs like the GCOTW is.

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I didn't even have to look at the articles to tell they are cruft. These do seem better suited for a gaming wiki from the titles alone.

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Lots of games feature animals as transportation and so on, it doesn't mean there should be a list about it here. And let's not forget:

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And change all occurrences of CVG to VG in Template names and short cuts etc. I think a list and a plan of action might be needed. -

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How about now? Two images side by side was what I was aiming at and can be fixed by combining the pack shots into a single image. -

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Would anyone want to comment on moving Brain Age to the European title, under the logic of that it was more successful in Europe? -

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It freely mixes fan-guides and primary sources (which are reposted at the fansite) in its sources, so yeah, I think it ought to go.

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I think that as long as the image is properly sourced, has a fair use rationale, and isn't too big, then whatever version is fine.

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Haha... good one, "some". I checked and it seemed to double the amount of unasssessed. I've encountered a problem with this page:

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Man, it feels like ages since I've logged into my Knowledge account. Anyways, I was on so I went to see what the article for the

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2-Stick to the project. The CVG project talk page isn't the appropriate venue for dealing with conflicts between other editors. —

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there is many Wii games with it? If it's settled now: then we don't have to clean them up later (when it's very out of hand).

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Absoulutey No for the DualShock. I think the SNES controller is the best pic, either that or the NES. N64 would be acceptable.

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For computer and video games as a whole category, this seems pretty appropriate, except I would make sure to include handhelds:

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I have a collection of about 100 Atari 2600 games. Drop me a note on my talk page if you want a picture taken of one of them.

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is where you can find the articles still needing assessment (I know it's listed above already, but not everyone checks that).

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It should be changed to games, as per "List of (N64, Nintendo GameCube, Virtual Boy...) Games". They're all titled that. --

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The notability is not the issue here. Articles are given the main namespace if other articles are derived from the original.

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Standardising in the body text is OK, but the main article should at least cover the different terminology before doing so.

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cut, especially for the main companies' systems (Nintendo, Sega, Song, Microsoft). It only really get vague before the NES.--

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also uses something very similar to our own. However, I only checked the book out, so I can't say for sure how close it is.--

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isn't a game. I read about it, and it's indeed a game. Should the article be back as games in the article name? What about

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with the alternate sizes I gave (200px), but I'd still rather just have one game in the infobox and alternates elsewhere.--

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project header as a result. Should this be outright deleted, merged with Nintendo, or merged wtih the parent CVG project?

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I always though the naming policy for games was to give it the name that is listed on its cover. For example: Red Alert is

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Serves me right for trying to be helpful, s'pose. I'll not touch anything more until a concensus has been reached. Perhaps

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I think the idea was to sweep this across all usages to correct the mixed use of terminology... hence the revision of the

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Second I would help dealing with a user that seems to be using this very topic as means of making me out to be a supposed

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I wish I could, but he's edited both of those as well, so the article can't seem to be moved without filing a request at

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Hi, I've tried to find something for definite on this subject but come up empty handed, could someone take a look at the

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Any video game is pretty much automatically in the project. Just add {{cvgproj}} to the top of the article's talk page.

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Failing that, defer to the usual rules for regional variations: basically, don't change it without a damned good reason.

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is a disambig page. There doesn't seem to be consistany here, and I think that perhaps we should make a policy for it.

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says, if you use screenshots from another website or magazine you need to get permission from that publisher to reprint

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shifted very easily from his "Don't change until dispute over" to "Don't revert until dispute over" when it suits him.

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It's a high risk template used on nearly every video game article. It's protected against collatoral damage, simlar to

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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One way to speed up the assessment is to use AWB and autotag articles as stubs. For example, I just tagged articles in

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Which compounded with the fact that other sites do it better, mean that there is no need for these articles to exist.

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I second (or third) that. I forgot it even existed. I would have done something about it a long time ago if I did. ♣

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those are considered to be too biased, I would consider them optional. So for example, I would title the first wars

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The best thing to do is merge any relevent information into the Xbox 360 article (such as multiplayer features and

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Going with 1. Current system is fine, and listing the systems in groups is really long and clunky, as seen above.

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released during those years would be included, not the games for them. Of course, that still is a bit confusing.--

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Why should Knowledge be full of many redirects? If someone remakes the article: there is a speedy tag for that.

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Just remember that someone will have to check every article linked to the article to update the wikilinks... --

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Since when have sales been an indicator of what the game should be named? Using that logic we ought to rename

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I went ahead and checked a random assortment of game series to see where they lead, and here were my results.

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entry for this, but the standard seems to name the article whatever the game's box identifies itself as (e.g.

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and/or series only. Any random list for a game that some people think is popular, probably shouldn't be here.

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I think they should be in "Wii-only games" - it's logical that they are also Wii games if they're Wii-only. --

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Hate to open up this can of worms again, but...wouldn't the same arguments that people in opposition to using

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rewritten and/or merged together (or into the main article) and hacksawed to form real encyclopedia articles.

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2600 / Colecovision / Intellivision / Odyssey (1977-1983) -- covers 2600, Colecovision, intelivision, etc...

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I think this attitude is probably best, and both edit warriors need to be beaten with a wiffle ball bat. -

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Also, remember that there are numerous other issues on Knowledge other than listcruft. Things take time. —

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You are wrong, Wikipeia tends to be anti-American (since almost every article name use's queen's English).

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3. The Hybrid: Generation and Years (e.g. 1st Generation (Year 1990-1995), 2nd Generation (Year 1995-2000))

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characters and villains, especially those who appear in more than one game, surely aren't indiscriminate.

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paragraph or two each. This would also give the main series article itself more substance. Thoughts? --

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The name it was given in the country of origin by it's manufacturer, any other names should be redirects'

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suggested, and we will hopefully be able to have a correction made to the poor wording of the template.

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schemes, but everyone would know from the headings where to find the infromation they are looking for.

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Awards might definitely fit under trivia, but I wanted to know other gamers' feelings on the issue.

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proposed it? I'm in favor of it, of course, but I sure don't understand the change in attitude... —

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Amiga / Apple IIgs & Mac / Atari ST / DOS / Sinclair / X68000 (1986-1992?) -- covers PC 2nd gen

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FWIW, I think all information about versions, excluding the current one, is usually unnecessary. --

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done (with the exception of articles missing the CVG project tag, which I've been searching for).

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Although I do not believe in all of WIkiProject CVG's child projects becoming it's task forces (

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Since not a lot of people seem to be aware of it, I'd like to give a shout out about the newish

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I don't want to go creating enormous galleries for stubs or short articles, but once pages like

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I personally can't stand having images that don't fill up their infobox space. I don't mind it

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I want to join forces with you to make some good first person shooter articles. Games include:

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to name a few, but If a game only had like two sequels, then it isn't really much of a series.

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I wish the Wiki policy on article names for games hardware and software was along the lines of

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instead of a list), and redirect. AfD is (and should always be stressed to be) last resort. —

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It looks like the immediate task at hand is to figure out how to divide up the section on the

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If possible, see if you can some verifiable name, otherwise it is just taste of the users. --

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I'm generally relaxed with my cover art, I'm usually OK with the art uploaded. For example,

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I agree. It seems that all of the relevent game articles are currently stubs, anyway. --

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joystick controller is clearly the most iconic to video games as a whole in my opinion.--

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Please state any other options if you have any in mind, and then we should hold a poll.--

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anything prior to that? (I have an extensive timeline break out of Nintendo's platforms

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these are GAMES after all, and an article about a game should talk about its gameplay.

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tags. I don't think it's a problem, since there's only one "ref" there right now. --

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3-button controller and make it into a new CVG logo, but make it silver and not black.

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Who said anything about dropping the CVG moniker? I have a feeling that will stick :)

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Seeing how there are an impressive amount of bluelinks, I move that we work to bring

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I like the existing pad and wouldn't swop it for another pad. The only thing that I

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Your argument is one that goes contrary to my understanding of fair use. Of course,

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Zaku, the next time you call him anything, including a liar, you will be blocked. --

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combines the three project templates. Just append it with the rating like you would

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I was thinking of creating screenshot galleries for several productions (primarily

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this? I attempted to find it but wasn't successful. Much thanks for your help.

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though, since the series is far more notable than the first game in that case. --

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Suddenly, I'm overwhelmingly in favour of a date based system. This is just way,

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as article naming, Knowledge just uses the original/first article name, such as

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What of entries that are not games? This same issue occurs in a few spots, the

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Ohh, also I tagged some more articles, so the count will have gone up again ;)

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for starters), as well as multiple generations having the same "bittage" (both

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rewritten to fix it, there's no way to do anything about it the way it is. --

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talk page, as there's been plenty of discussion over there about this issue.

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clear up the vast majority of confusion, so I'm not sure why we keep having

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has posted a note asking readers to help improve Hudson related articles.

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I've prodded the article. Curiously, it's a year and a half old. Strange.

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Golly! Why is everyone in support of it now, but heatedly opposed it when

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due to its limited scope). According to the WikiProject Council's guide "

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Happy that I provided a source that I already provided on the BT page? -

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so "3D era" and the like is the least original research name we can use.

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would result in changes being made to many other articles (including the

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on the Template discussion page if anyone has anything to add. Thanks -

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The game is part of a pretty large and ongoing series known in Japan as

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If it can be decided in a civil manner then great, otherwise I think a

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the hundreds of CVG catagory pages, unless I'm missing something here.

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I'm with Scorchus's idea as well, it may be slightly less elegant than

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Failing that, the country of origin if it's an English-language cover.

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Thanks for the help. Now we just have to be able to source the list.--

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article, we've seen some generally pissy behaviour from both sides.

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Wait, unless you mean just on articles that are about actual pinball

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Animals in The Legend of Zelda series

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I've put the animal list in AFD. Feel free to comment here about it:

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Now it's listed in the unassessed category for the Nintendo project.

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Game Boy Color / Neo-Geo Pocket Color / WonderSwan Color (1998-2001)

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except adding dates, then for example I would call the "3rd Gen War"

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I'm on it. It's midnight anyway, so there's not much else to do. --

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Naming conventions - English language vs Japanese romanization (sp?)

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Game Boy (and Pocket) / Lynx / TurboExpress / Game Gear (1988-1998)

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Back in December I proposed a merger for three fair use templates,

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has over 500 articles under its scope as an example), I think that

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be used for the Disambig page anyways. Speaking of which, view my

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1. Generation grouping (e.g. 1st Generation, 2nd Generation, etc.)

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if applicable for that company (or other applicable categories).

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I condone editcountitis, which is a completely different matter.

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That actually has nothing to do with what I was saying; the edit

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list. The only exception I've seen is: a new list that is small.

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I don't see the need for Wii-only. Just put em all in Wii-games.

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And now, I believe it's done... For the time being, at least. --

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In a strict sense, it's not original research. According to the

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IF ANYONE FROM THIS PROJECT CARES ABOUT THIS MERGE PLEASE VISIT

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are unneccesary. It's understandable with large franchises like

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal.

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I always liked the "CVG" moniker, but I guess its for the best.

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Referencing with footnotes: changing from one format to another

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article. State your preference and one-line reasoning below.

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I like it and you never know, it might stop the squabbles. -

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thousands of pages. Kind of a problem waiting to happen. --

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Straight 50/50. Can't get any more inconsistant than that.--

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Should the main article be for the series or the first game?

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I was doing some assessing when I came across this article:

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for people to read. But again, the issue at hand isn't edit

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same title again), I put my support behind this standard. —

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I have one more question regarding the images used for the

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So if you were doing an article about the evolution of the

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List of Characters/Weapons/Vehicles/Landmarks in Game X/Y/Z

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Pong Era (196?-197?) -- covers the first home game systems

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present the compromise candidate

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Sales are a indicator of popularity, needed to determine

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is messed up. Everything is kind of lumped together now.

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Knowledge:WikiProject Computer and video games/Assessment

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Let that sink in... Ok, so I will take this over to the

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to brag (in many cases, it's because of the current way

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Ah, but do you say Sega Mega Drive, or Sega Genesis? :p

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Games for a system list: List vs Titles name discussion

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is one of the very few two link disambigs I've seen.--

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Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training: How Old is Your Brain?

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I've come across what looks like an attempt to hijack

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Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest

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I'd like to request some help in sorting articles in

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Dreamcast / Nintendo GameCube / PlayStation 2 / XBOX

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Category:Stub-Class computer and video game articles

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Category:Unassessed computer and video game articles

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Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series

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That's CVG! 3868:(shouldn't it drop the '(series)'?), and 1498:I had a go and got close see this version 6140:I can't see any good reason to have two 5185:If you are interested please tell me. -- 2898:List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series 2694:much of a consideration: I still prefer 1949:, shouldn't we also rename this page to 6169:This discussion should be continued at 4980:just because of its d-pad invention. -- 3663:(the NA name) nets 463,000 Google hits. 3323:Category:Computer and video game covers 2722:2 Zelda list pages that seem like cruft 1796:. Let's keep the discussion on that. — 1558:violator, among other things. The user 1547:. 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I've orphaned the 2802:every detail regarding the series?" 2103:Thank goodness for AutoWikiBrowser. 908:PSP / DS / Gizmondo / GP2X (2004- ) 25: 6209:how do i request for this new game 5051:Knowledge:WikiProject Nintendo Wars 3373:Poketto Monsutā Daiyamondo and Pāru 3160:will be up for organizing the CfD. 2798:How about "we are not a fansite to 875:Macintosh / Windows (1996-current) 684:Super Nintendo Entertainment System 332:The Ultimate History of Video Games 23: 5953:The current rules are, basically: 3337:Thanks. It was worrying me a bit. 2432:somebody should archive this page 869:Macintosh / PC gaming (1992-1996) 840:Let's start a new index/title list 24: 6269: 3913:series" rather than just "I like 3172:Category:Computer and video games 3090:Category:Computer and video games 2515:Architecture of The Elder Scrolls 2281:for the long version of this) 8D 2094:I will help out with categories. 1981:Category:Computer and video games 1951:Knowledge:WikiProject Video games 799:, then I would leave the next as 303:current computer and video gaming 4928:Create an outline of the iconic 4293:Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3118:Up there, under 'Project name'. 1564:Knowledge:Suspected sock puppets 365:patently absurd section name. - 307:recent computer and video gaming 127:have 8-bit processors, and both 29: 3296:I dunno what happened, but the 1983:and all the subcategories too. 1081:List of Nintendo GameCube games 1074:List of Nintendo GameCube games 845:platforms outside of the U.S.! 623:International English Knowledge 432:I agree with NeoChaosX 100%. -- 5516:Template_talk:Game-cover#Merge 5099:Knowledge:WikiProject Nintendo 4953:Just throwing around an idea. 4882:List of Virtual Console titles 4804:Final Fantasy (disambiguation) 4451:Multiple page swaps requested 4436:should be for the first game. 4421:my proposal at requested moves 1538:PlayStation Portable talk page 881:PlayStation 3 / Wii / XBOX360 144:History of video game consoles 13: 1: 6259:23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 6249:22:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 6237:22:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 6199:10:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 6178:05:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 6165:04:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 6136:17:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 6102:15:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6093:15:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6080:14:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6066:13:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6057:12:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6044:12:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6028:12:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 6014:01:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 5988:01:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 5946:00:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 5908:22:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5898:22:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5875:01:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 5832:Yoshi's Universal Gravitation 5802:16:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5778:15:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5768:06:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5755:06:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5744:04:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 5737:Knowledge:WikiProject Pinball 5725:04:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5714:04:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5694:04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5685:03:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5675:02:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5655:22:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5644:18:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC) 5290:02:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 5157:01:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 5039:20:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5029:20:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 5009:19:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4994:04:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4872:I posted on the talk page of 4862:14:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 4852:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4834:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4816:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4798:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4771:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4753:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4735:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4717:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4699:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4681:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4663:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4645:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4627:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4609:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4591:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4573:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4561:Dynasty Warriors (video game) 4555:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4537:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4519:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4501:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4483:20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4441:07:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 4428:23:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4404:19:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4078:23:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC) 4065:21:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4026:01:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 3984:03:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 3972:01:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 3840:14:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 3831:The result of the debate was 3782:. We're working on it. The 3292:Game-cover category messed up 3178:was done by an anonymous IP. 2678:Might want to go look at the 2294:, so it might be best to ask 2163:Number of screenshots allowed 566:History of computing hardware 258:If we do a year system, only 5607:08:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 5595:05:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 5582:00:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 5552:23:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5534:20:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5518:AND JOIN IN DISCUSSION THERE 5481:19:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5453:16:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5442:14:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5423:12:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5413:06:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5403:06:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5391:06:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5377:05:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5352:01:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 5330:00:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 5312:11:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC) 5300:Second Opinion requested on 5280:12:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 5270:16:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC) 5230:08:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC) 5214:22:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC) 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Date-based, years only 619:American English Knowledge 135:have 32-bit processors). 5868:Knowledge:Manual of Style 5821:Image:Wii Play Europe.jpg 4583:Dynasty Warriors (series) 3784:Gameplay of Final Fantasy 3369:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl 3317:I've fixed it and marked 3084:Possible category hijack? 1915:rewrite for Knowledge. — 1536:Requesting input/help on 1086:List of Nintendo 64 games 682:That would result in the 299:early video game consoles 5931:, but others want to. - 5735:I just recently started 4525:Castlevania (video game) 4357:Streets of Rage (series) 4114:Mario Golf (Nintendo 64) 3835:per discussion below. -- 3823:Please do not modify it. 3677:Does that surprise you? 3443:We're not talking about 3130:Computer and video games 2702:, but that's how it is. 2226:Moderation is the key :) 2211:Good question, and your 1943:computer and video games 884:(title list started by: 564:As an example, there is 103:Console generation names 5703:Everybody Votes Channel 5637:Knowledge talk:Fair use 5497:Template:Boardgamecover 4906:List of Dreamcast games 4633:Star Ocean (video game) 4511:Breath of Fire (series) 4393:personal exception for 4260:Redirects to (series): 3849:is for the first game, 1227:Category:Wii-only games 5323:nominated for deletion 4930:Nintendo 64 controller 4790:Final Fantasy (series) 4727:Shadow Hearts (series) 4396:Dance Dance Revolution 4353:TimeSplitters (series) 4233:Dance Dance Revolution 4054:Final Fantasy (series) 2192:The Legend of Kyrandia 1478:I need some help with 801:Personal Computer Wars 551: 6223:comment was added by 5807:Cover Art question - 5465:Gran Turismo (series) 5244:, but after checking 5242:Oasis (computer game) 5167:First Person Shooters 5000:As Teggles says, the 4763:Armored Core (series) 4597:Gradius (arcade game) 4471:Bomberman (1983 game) 4254:Redirects to (game): 4229:Command & Conquer 3966:Dread Lord CyberSkull 3765:Final Fantasy weapons 3327:Dread Lord CyberSkull 3304:did something to it ( 3049:Dread Lord CyberSkull 2438:comment was added by 2416:Dread Lord CyberSkull 2333:Mixed-Up Mother Goose 2277:. 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