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articles to reviews is frankly a little silly. Reviews by definition are supposed to be telling you about the game and specifically is it good or not in the context of deciding whether to purchase it. They are obviously not supposed to tell you the plot in too much detail because that would defeat the purpose of the review. Encyclopaedia articles are not reviews and their primary purpose is to sumarise the info about the game, including relevant history, background, plot details, review details, reception (including criticism) etc. A reader may be someone who has never played the game and therefore may want a resonable summary of what went on in the game or perhaps someone that played the game & wants to know remember it. A reader who is intending to play a game (I've done it before), may choose to read the article to get a basic understanding of what the game is about but they will of course avoid any likely spoilers (which is why proper tagging is important). I agree, it depends a lot on the game. Some games types, adventure games and RPGs obviously have more detailed plots. And of course the level of detail various between RPGs and adventures as well. Obviously there is no need to go into every nuance of what happened but on the other hand, it's not sufficient try and describe a detailed plot in 200 words either
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documented and stresses unique facets of the game's structure. The game's very unique audio presentations and styles are emphasized, and samples are given. To summarize, there is a lot of good, out-of-universe information here which covers every part of the game. Let's move to the plot. Would some of you call that too much? It summarizes every major arc, from Oedo Town to Zazen Town to Kyushu and the North. I left out a lot of fetch quests, but major character interactions, appearances, and events are represented. Readers who have never played the game will still miss out an the larger experience, but will be able to completely understand the game's plot and drivers. The comprehensiveness of the summary also allows several connections to be made with references in the rest of the article, such as the appearance of "Gorgeous My Stage", the four special abilities, the quirky humor and stye, etc. Okay, I'm rambling, but does the plot section (not counting the out-of-universe information concerning the humor) seem too long?
4214:. Mystical Ninja, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Final Fantasy IV are a little too long for my taste, despite them being RPGs. If it's a string of town hopping and fetch quests, then it needs to be brief (one sentence can cover 3-4 towns easily). However, if the game has significant character development and complicated resolutions, they will naturally take more space to succinctly describe. I've worked on plenty of fictional FAs - especially plot sections - and I can say for a fact that the 1,000 word synopsis for a 40 hour RPG is a fine balance, which does not result in objections; on the other hand, a 1,000 word synopsis for a 2 hour shooter will result in significant objection. I do agree with what SeizureDog is saying about items and bosses; this information is unnecessary. The
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deleted. The reasoning behind this activity, as far as I can tell, is that since the character itself is not of
Japanese nationality according to in-universe information, then the Katakana is irrelevant regardless of what the character's real-life origins are. Personally, I think that since the characters are properties of Japanese companies and presumably had their names written in Japanese in the original literature, then the Japanese name spellings at least deserve some brief mention within the related article. I have tried discussing this with the editor in question in the discussion page of one of the affected articles (
1672:: the title of it lists it as video games. Not everything is a video game itself. Video game content (such as characters and so on): should be labelled differently, rather than just a cluttered mess. A CD for Pikmin was listed: I removed it, but I can imagine Man in Black will re-add it for no reason. Not everyone is a video game expert, and there is absolutely no need to clutter anything and everything related to the subject in the template. Then labelling it just simply as "video games" isn't helping either. Man in Black needs to accept change from others more, instead of just reverting what he thinks is wrong.
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immediately tried the idea on Final
Fantasy VIII while Ryu and Silence worked on expanding the X article's summary appropriately, and I believe we met in the middle very nicely with both articles. This was followed by a series of FA pushes (including VIII and a retaining of X's featured status), which allowed us to publicize this concept without much resistance; this surprised us (heck, we got more resistance from the lack of spoiler warnings). However, I do believe there is a balance point that needs to be made, especially with the new emphasis on "reasonably short" plot summaries. With
3687:(though an overall Mortal Kombat franchise article might suffer this difficulty). As many of you can and probably will argue, however, role-playing games often have deep, complex plots. Comparing them to literature and such is something for another time, but if we can agree that the plots of RPGs can be just as engrossing and expansive as the plots of literary works, then perhaps we can agree that RPG plot summaries can, without harsh scrutiny and on the condition that out-of-universe information is represented, include major arcs in a comprehensive plot summary. --
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starting to get antsy about the summaries' possibly being too large, and I've personally encountered some resistance in the FAC process. So let's settle this with an argument and discussion. I am personally in favor of the large, complete summaries Ryu Kaze made precedent for. Featured
Article criteria 1.b states that articles should not neglect major facts or details. The general style of writing has been to include major plot arcs with enough details that the reader may have a competent understanding of plot cause and resolution. To cite an example, I'll use
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basis, I think the reviews are toast for FFC and GGA, and I'll be wary of GamePro in the future. If someone can confirm that "UNCLEDUST" or "THED-PADDESTROYER" are accredited employees of GamePro and competent reviewers, we'll be getting somewhere. But if more eloquent reviews from less notable sites are going to be challenged in CVG articles, these abysmal one-shots by anonymous posters should be left out as well. I guess we need some insight here on how their review system works. --
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character designs, etc. This allows us to explain the plot in that succinct manner while balancing in and out of universe information for the setting/characters/plot supersection. This might not make more sense, but it's basically saying that we carry on what we are doing with the RPG setting/character/story sections, but with an added emphasis on out of universe, developers inforation for the first two sections. This looks good in the eyes of reviewers. —
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mentioned: confirmed games (not released yet) are being removed from templates by AMIB as well. If the game is notable enough for an article here, it certainly should be in the template. Why wait until later to add it? It does no harm at all to put it in the template. Templates deserve sections to actually be navigation tools. This standard appearance is clutter and not helping navigate much.
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and horrible load times. Has anyone else encountered this, and can we write off reviews like this as...well, stupid? Looking back at Goemon's Great
Adventure's GamePro review, the guy makes some vague, passing criticisms; it too seems to be user-submitted. His criticisms of the game are also way out of line with the general gaming press's. What gives? --
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creature in Final
Fantasy XII). Perhaps a short way of putting it is that "if the plot summary can provide the reader with a general idea of the major plot progression points from start to finish in the shortest manner, then it is comprehensive and focused". Focus is another big FA criterion being taken into account; for instance, the article
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very short sections. Lists should be avoided at all costs. But with a proper link to the same section of the original game's article, it's not going to be a disaster if "Synopsis" and "Gameplay" are a tad short. Even a short article can be good, as long as it has a good amount of references, is well written and covers everything noteworthy.
927:, it's now a sortable table and looks, IMHO, much better than similar list of games that we have, so I propose to change the other lists to something similar. But before I start I'd rather ask if I'm the only one that thinks that this is a good idea or not, so here I go. Are there any objections or can the table be improved further? --
4050:, especially since just scanning it gives me such trivial information like "Lily appears to ridicule the party, but is rudely interrupted by Dancin', who continues to call Goemon "Fernandez". Honestly, this article is like having an annoying friend trying to tell "all the funny" parts of a comedy film, and taking 30 minutes to do so.
3844:. That's right, easy. Why? Because you have so much easily accessable information to work with that you can just write as much as you want. It's harder to condense all that information while still remaining broad. You don't need 1000 pages to write a summary for a 1000 page book; you can do it in 1000 words. If you can't, you're not
2664:, which no indication as to what (if any) influence Taki has had beyond the game itself. If the rest of the articles are like this, I would recommend the in-game information be removed and they are merged into a list. (That all reads rather harshly, I'm aware. Please nobody take it personally; this would be a very good article for a
1026:"A video game console is an interactive entertainment computer. The term is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade games, which are designed for businesses that buy and then charge others to play."
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more links from the templates. Individually, each of these changes might make sense, but as a whole, they are reducing the usefulness of these navigation templates. Apparently these collective changes have been deemed "standarized" by some. I don't see consensus anywhere for this illogical standard. ---
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I don't edit video game articles much. However I do tend to like and play games with good stories, not generally
Japanese RPGs, but more American & European RPGs as well as more tradional style adventure games. In my opinion we should have resonable detailed plot summaries. Comparing encylopaedia
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article doesn't explain "First, Samus went into
Brinstar to get the morph ball. Then, she traveled to where the large shaft was in the original metroid to get missiles. Then, she scaled Old Touria and went back to Crateria..."; that's gameguide. The Final Fantasy articles, with an exception being IV,
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article be for the video game character. Fromwhat I have seen, at least one of the oppose voters is voting against it just because it's a video game character (one of his comments was something like "it's a video game character, no one will remember him in 15 years). Just thought some of you might be
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Thanks. I was just using the Final
Fantasy Pages as an example, since there's more albums for them than on any other particular series, and I certainly don't want to start sticking articles together if people had already decided it was a bad idea. It's just a solution I thought would cut down on the
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I've said this before, but my message seems to have gotten lost in the shouting — why are all of these templates being changed to "SERIES_NAME video games"? I've seen certain users in this project change the header to say "video games" and remove the labels, and then they use that to justify removing
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That would probably suffice, unless the expansion changes the feel or balance of gameplay significantly (e.g. an RTS expansion adding a new resource type). As for story, it should be possible to say something like "ABC continues the story of XYZ by adding the backstory of 123 and adding more missions
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For the record, I'm opposed to the change. I just saw many game developer bios changed to "Video game designer," but in my opinion this is not an appropriate category for them. MUD developers, casual game developers, MMORPG developers -- "video game" isn't right. In the game development community,
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Anyone care to comment? My
Resident Evil template edit was reverted for no good reason. When the template is clearly called Resident Evil video games: movies and so on should NOT be listed or should have a clear note by it. Simply leaving it as it is now, isn't helping. I dont see why certain people
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If it's necessary to cover a certain detail of the story, because someone who hasn't played the game yet wouldn't get the summary otherwise, it should be mentioned. If that requires a description of "This happened, so this guy goes and does this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this...",
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As an example, say a party travels from City A to City D. Along the way, they pass Cities B and C, where they rest and discuss their past. If part of that past has information relevant to the story later on, then it should be mentioned; otherwise, the entire situation can be left out to be descriped
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I'm thinking that we should probably repeal that guideline for a little while and have some more discussion on it. I completely missed out on it the first time around and there seems to be multiple instances where A Man In Black's implimenting it is causing complaints. In my opinion, navboxes should
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out. There's one just like it for Goemon's Great
Adventure. They appear to be user-written, and seem to feature little evidence that the author had more than a passing interest or played the game more than a few minutes. The reviewer utterly and completely misses the fact that FFC has new cut scenes
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Wow, there's a lot of ground to cover. I seem to recall there being controversy over some particularly erroneous guides; IIRC that's what made them start releasing their so-called "web updates" (which is in reality a way to satiate customers by providing pages with corrected information). I think it
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I'm sure it's possible. It's simply too hard for some people to do, and expansion packs usually don't get as much attention as the original game. Still, as for "Reception" and "Development", they can have their own sections. Only "Gameplay" and "Synopsis" might have a chance of ending up in lists or
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I'm all for renaming the Wikiproject as well. It's bad form for us to not use the policy that we use in our articles and could confuse a lot of newcomers. All of the old redirects and such can still be used of course. Plus, those twelve extra characters do sort of make the project title kinda longer
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Well he is is predicting that the characters will be in the game which is a no no because with out sources to back it up it is just OR. once the person finds valid sources for his claims then he can add the data to the article however untill then, the data should be removed. If he continues to do so
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anyways i remember this game that was ganna come out i think for PS2 that had to do with dating and fighting. you took the girls on a date and then you had to fight a monster or something . think it was called white blade or something with the word blade in it for the PS2 i just cant remember it. it
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I think that the real question here is whether we should make this an issue om GA/FA nominations. If the reception section uses sources that are not professional, that might be grounds to oppose the nomination. Perhaps we should as a WikiProject compile a list (and we shouldn't be nazis about this
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I think arcade games, while of course most are still video games, have a bit of a different stigma attached in that the whole way you have to pay for them. And there are plenty of arcade games that aren't video games -- Ski Ball and Pinball for starters. You do have a good point though, and I agree
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Hi, I have recently noticed that someone has been removing the Katakana renderings of various characters' names from Japanese-made video games from their respective articles. In most cases, only characters that are supposed to be of Korean nationality have had the Japanese renderings of their names
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Just as the discussion suggests, these are definitely two different breeds of RPG's. The unfortunate problem is both of the articles lack sources (though they definitely exist out there). I'd look for sourcing covering the difference between the two types, rather then trying to merge the two to fit
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A new discussion about templates needs to happen, in my opinion. A Man in Black is just going revert crazy on many of them. "Standard appearance" is a cluttered mess, and you can't even tell the differences between games, films, game characters and other things alot of the time. Also it needs to be
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These are definitely AFD fodder. All of these should probably be changed to redirects or deleted altogether. At first glance I'm not sure whether any of the content should be merged. It is worth salvaging? I'm thinking not but maybe someone more familiar with the game could comment. For now, I
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Wow, I'm glad that the impressions are positive, but I cannot take all the credit; there have been some very helpful people (ContiE, Telvin3D, just to name a couple) who have contributed greatly and given much input to make the list what it is now. So if anything I am indebted for all of their help
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Someone might disparage the Joystiq and Kotaku cites given the bloggish design of their sites, but it seems the RS clause discouraging blogs is as regards their generally self-publishing nature and their lack of editorial oversight, concerns which I don't really think apply here. That said, I'm all
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I believe I've mentioned this article on here before. It just seems to be a dumping ground for terms and anything that doesn't fit in the other Xenosaga lists. I'm very tempted to AFD it, is there a good reason to keep it? It seems like cruft to me. Throwing together many things just because they
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s plot. At least, that's what I'm guessing. I've seen longer story descriptions, also from FA articles (or sometimes, GA), that I didn't mind reading, while I just couldn't get through way shorter storyline descriptions of other articles, simply because I didn't care about them. I think MNSG has a
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Firstly, what makes the article good? It covers everything available and relevant to readers outside of Konami or the development team. History on both sides of the Pacific is chronicled; critical and fan reception is deeply represented, with all aspects of the game critiqued. Play control is well
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Back in late 2005, Ryu Kaze and his friends completed a slew of Featured Articles. All featured plot summaries that covered all major arcs of the plot, and all articles were supplemented by out of universe information which always outsized the fictional sections. However, recently a few people are
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helpful enough for us to delete/not create them? I can understand for some series that might not have more than 5 or so character articles, but for games with large rosters, such as fighters, I think that seperate navboxes need to be created to help aid in navigation and that the responsibility of
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So, is everyone against having character navboxes or something? Personally, I find it annoying as hell to try to browse through all of the characters in a series if I don't have a navbox to help. Lists and categories are ugly and require more steps. Is there any real reason that character navboxes
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I would suggest changing all to (video game) considering our new rules unless there are multiple articles of the same name. From what I've seen this can be for different platforms, in which case the platform could be put in parentheses, but it could also be a different game with the same title, in
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out-of-hand templates we had before, and I think it's hard to argue that a standardized appearance hasn't helped the overall quality of VG navboxes. Of course, things can always be improved, so I think if we're going to discuss any shortcomings of the current standard we ought to form a new set of
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I personally use PC box art for most multi-platform games, basically because there isn't a really fuckugly banner across the top with the words XCubeStation written across it. It also means that there is more space for the actual box art. I have uploaded over previous versions of box art with PC
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Many templates already have lists to characters, creatures, villains, etc. It just so happens that Duke Nukem only has one majro character, and lacks a "list of" that would be put in place. Those are still within the video game context - they are relevent to the video games - and I don't see any
4520:. An absolute joke: the list was put in AFD with no consensus, and attempts to clean it aren't helping much. And now there is suggested splits for it? Knowledge is turning more and more into a crufty item guide. It's too soon to AFD it again, but I think that's what needs to happen in the future.
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either. I kinda want to know what it's about, but if I read what it has I'll probably regret it. Which brings me to another good point: short summaries serves as a happy middle ground between people who like spoilers and people who hate them. If it's short, you can still spoil as much as you need
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have the best balance between plot summary and game/script length, but it's not an exact science. These were the first two that the idea was tested out on, and based on percentages, it seemed to be the best balance. I'm not sure about the Chronos though, because I didn't take a look at the script
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This one is laughable. An article can't be comprehensive if it castrates summaries into brief outlines with a link to Wikisource. You would not summarize Moby Dick with a bulleted list of ten or 15 bullets. On that note, this suggestion hilarious sounds like an admonition to use lists, which is a
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A question and comment. First the question: what exactly does this have to do with articles on Knowledge? You didn't say anything such as "should we not list GamePro reviews in articles?" or so on. My comment is: just because GamePro's reviews aren't liked, doesn't mean they shouldn't be listed.
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Let's see. The template says "video games" on the top. I believe the reader can sumrise that the template is about video games. Therefore, I assume that every listed article is about the video game series. I can see "film" labeled on the third line, which means that those are films, not video
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Since these days, almost all of the games released are cross-platform, there should be some kind of consensus on which box art should be used in articles. Personally. I'd suggest that the "PC" box art be used for all games that have a PC(Windows/OS X/Linux) version. For all other games, I propose
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No, Adventure games are not. Because you have the actual action (gameplay) and the significance of it (story). Adventure games tend to have a lot of text that backs up the gameplay, so no walkthrough-danger. Anyway, that's genre specific, but RPGs and good horror games also need (quite) big plot
2428:), but he/she seems unwilling to compromise. I bring this up because, despite searching through various Knowledge guidelines and naming convention articles, I could not find a specific guideline that applies to this situation. Any insights and advice on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
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Please could someone with knowledge of the policy and subject matter merge, delete or cleanup these articles as appropriate? It is also worth noting that this user is still working on the articles. I have not made contact with them, because this isn't a side of Knowledge I am involved with much.
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Okay, so really a case-by-case basis, then. That sounds good; I suppose we might have to get our hands dirty in the FAC process, but at least I've formed a case here for necessitating good RPG summaries. I need to revise Ryu Kaze's CVG Featured Article guide, as I've got a bunch of new tips for
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I understand your point that we need to argue on the FACs that RPGs have deep stories (because most people who object on story length do not actually read the synopsis). The key is to discuss the setting and characters beforehand from an out of universe perspective; inspiration for the setting,
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came up to Ryu and myself with the featured article review of Final Fantasy X, which is where this concept of comprehensive, full plot summaries came from. Initially, I will admit that I debated with Silence in IM over this issue, but we agreed that comprehensive summaries is the best choice. I
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Yes, I'm wondering if we should use them; I'm currently writing a critical section for Final Fantasy Chronicles. I've no doubt that they pay certain people to review, but come on, "UNCLEDUST" and a one paragraph memorandum failing to note any new features of the game? At least on a case-by-case
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I second removing the Character Analysis sections. I think CVG article guidelines state that overly detailed gameplay descriptions should be avoided, and the character analyses can be considered as such. And yes, the character entries have certainly gotten bloated and are probably due for heavy
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are Good Articles, so you might want to start there. I don't think there have been any expansion packs. The reason for this is probably that they have less content and a smaller audience (not everyone buys them or, in the case of multi-platform games, can even get them) and thus there's less to
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Indeed, it is a case by case basis; some games have large character backstories that mean nothing to the plot; other games have huge areas of fighting to get from point A to point B that don't really need to be mentioned outside of one sentence (the sandseas and the jungle/that big dragon boss
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for example. The first sentence of the article states his name followed by the Katakana rendering of his name in parentheses despite Mario being ostensibly Italian. Is including the original Katakana rendering of a Japanese-made video game character in the article (even if the character is not
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Didn't I already say it wasn't going to work for everything? Also, I said "best translation", meaning that it still doesn't have to be a good translation, just what comes closest. If it's possible, I'd say we follow that guideline. If it's not possible, we could use the name of the game in the
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With the release of the seventh generation consoles this brings the definition into dispute. The current generation consoles (PS3 and Wii especially) have many more features than to play games, yet the definition claims that video game consoles are "solely" for playing video games. Technically
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Granted, but what I'm saying is bad is stuff like: "First Jon gets the boots of speed, then he fights the forest boss, then he goes to the volcano level, where he mets Sally, who blah blah blah..." I haven't played MNSG, but it sure like it talks about every stage, item, character, boss, etc.
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I thought I would bring the close of a recent CfD for every "Computer and Video Games" category to be renamed to just "Video Games". The decision was apart from one or two editors, overwhelmingly supported by the community. This precedent may have implications for the title and naming of this
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You AfD'd the article just over a month ago, and it was agreed by several users that a a few months should be given to see if work can be done. There is no rush; there is a lot of work to be done on Wikiepdia, and forcing editors to repriotirize their todo lists will only harm the project. —
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I suppose what I'm wondering is wether or not the Katakana rendering of a Japanese-made (Japanese-made meaning being the original creation and property of a Japanese creator or company) character's name should appear somewhere on the article even if the character itself is not Japanese. Take
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Hello, all! I was just wondering where I could go to put information on the retraction, hubbub, and subsequent replacement of 1UP's NWN 2 review? I'd think it notable enough to merit some mention somewhere, given that there are enough sources to give an adequate outline of the events as they
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I agree with Scottie. If an article SHOULD exist and a navbox exists for that series, it should be in the navbox. Navigational templates are meant to help the reader navigate to related articles (and help to bypass the terrible category system that is entirely useless to the reader). ---
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I reverted it because AMIB hates meta-data (i.e. clarifying "video game" or "sub series" or "characters") and has come down pretty hard on the Pac-Man and Silent Hill templates with editors who were adding it. I take AMIB's lead for metadata at least, as I agree with him on this aspect.
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Merging would not only remove cruft, but take 2 or 3 articles that aren't even B-class and put them some place where they could get edited together. Plus, it cuts down on navbox size, AND all albums can be accessed from the main game's article and FFAlbums template with one clean link.
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IMO it depends if the name itself has an origin. For instance, many Koei games are based on Chinese history, so in such cases Katakana are kind of irrelevent. Same with games where the characters names are already English - Sakura Wars 5 for instance. And of coruse, there's the case of
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On a side note, speaking of that, you might want to move your striked out comment above onto the talk page. Someone is actively claiming that consensus for replacing the art with the American version is already adequatedly formed. I might actually move more of the conversation above
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There's the stickler and the root of the argument. Reasonably short is up for interpretation, and I believe Ryu Kaze and several other WP:CVG editors who churned those FAs out chose to weigh reasonability in lieu of FA criteria 1.b. Reasonably is obeying what makes an article perfect
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I like long but not unnecessarily so. I don't think that the plot summaries of the FF articles and CT articles are far too long. Also, on a semi-related note, I wish that people wouldn't be so anti-spoilers tags on Plot sections. I mean, really, what harm could possibly be done? -
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or similar parameters (which more accurately categorises the boxart) and to mark the old one for deletion (if you didn't upload over it). If the old one had a fair use rationale or whatever you could copy that across too. As for which region is the "right" one, we're going to have
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I saw a citation on one article somewhere (unrelated to the CVG WikiProject) which used an Amazon review as a source, but you could also use them to describe the gameplay. I'm guessing that because these aren't professional reviews we're talking about, they don't count as sources?
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I just don't quite understand why games are being allowed to have navboxes and characters are being objected against. The same logic applies to both groups, as both games and characters for a series usually have their own categories and/or lists. I mean are we supposed to delete
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Forgive me if this discussion has already taken place, I haven't seen anything too conclusive on any of the individual gaming WikiProjects, but what policy, if any, exists on creating pages for video game soundtracks or official arranged albums? I say this because some articles
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and stuff like that), and other conventions peripheral to main arcs of a story. I suppose this is what needs to be evaluated and have a conclusion reached upon. For many CVG editors, this is not a real problem -- you'd be hard pressed to write seven paragraphs about the plot of
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I actually prefer the original with the separate sections. There was a general consensus on CVG that quite a lot of templates were becoming hulking messes (Mario series etc.) and we cut them down. But the Resident Evil one was quite readable, so I'd be OK with the original. -
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Are you sure you don't mean ISBN numbers? I found two magazines for Sega Pro (Sega Pro Master Volume 1, Sega Pro Master Volume 2). It wasn't a monthly magazine, but rather a regular series of guides. So each one had a different ISBN number. I can't find anything on Mega Power.
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I've had the same issues with Man in Black. He reverts templates: and doesn't always explain why. I asked him about the Pikmin template: he didn't reply. Templates should have sections to divide the things (in the case of video games/film templates such as Resident Evil).
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articles. Reviews only mention the story's introduction and possibly praise the story for its greatness/awfulness in one of the last lines. Articles should describe the subject, with each aspect getting the attention it deserves. And story is ("almost") as important as
3470:. CVG and real-world will have different priorities, and we shouldn't use either to try to compare. Let's just narrow the scope down. I personally think that linking to lists of characters is far better than trying to cram every character in there; like AMIB said,
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To me, if an article exists, it belongs in its respective series navbox. If the article doesn't have enough content, it should be put up for AfD first, then removed from the navbox if it's deleted rather than being removed first. I've yet to receive a response from
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Again, what kind of idiot would read the plot section of a game he/she intends to play in the near future? If you don't want to know, don't read it!!! Summaries in wikipedia articles shouldn't protect people against themselves, that's their own job. I want to play
2617:(easiest found via that category). Since I don't see the problem with covering characters from fighting games in Knowledge, I removed a few of those templates, but was reverted with no further comment. Perhaps someone from the Wikiproject could look into it.
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Google has been notoriously sucky. I did log onto my university's search engine and pulled up a USA Today article (the only hit) that mentioned Prima's collobration with the developers of Half-Life 2, which I added. But otherwise I'm not finding anything.
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2895:Category:Arcade games by year
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2168:Yoshi's Universal Gravitation
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1527:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
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4471:List of Pokémon items
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4025:Couldn't agree more.
3468:2006 14 September TFD
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2889:The arcade categories
2854:Air (2000 video game)
2850:Air (1977 video game)
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4089:Hotel Dusk: Room 215
3565:♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫
3008:Strategy video games
2932:♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫
2814:Pac-Man (Atari 2600)
2445:♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫
2192:42 All-Time Classics
2137:42 All-Time Classics
1371:games like Gothic II
1273:Halo: Combat Evolved
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2999:Pinball video games
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841:Peer review request
640:In one word, "no".
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4695:A Link to the Past
4681:Land of the Legend
4441:On a relate note:
4350:Talk:Cybran Nation
4251:A Link to the Past
4208:Final Fantasy VIII
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3274:The New York Times
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2599:Soulcalibur
2441:Trusty Bell
2018:I was wrong
2000:task forces
1899:Game albums
1496:Oscarthecat
1492:Prima Games
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2164:Wii Play
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