1586:: If we're comparing to GAs, then I'd like to point out that featured list candidates require 3 reviews, one of them being a source review, and a rough minimum of 20 days of time to be promoted. We've seen it plenty where certain types of GAs can be nominated quite quickly and reviewed the same day by only a single nominator. This doesn't make the work less valuable, but they can and have been "spammed", in that, someone can make a lot of nominations and they are reviewed and promoted the same day. This is not possible with FLs because of the number of reviewers and
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1103:, in my view it would indeed be eligible for an age bonus. The article had been deleted for only about three months, and it was undeleted rather than rewritten from scratch. If we remove these three months from consideration, it's been in mainspace for the same amount of time as an article that was created in December 2011 and never deleted.
1499:: I disagree actually because of the fact there's no limits (to my knowledge) on the number of featured picture nominations you can have. My suggestion is meant to compensate for the limits in place for featured lists. I think there's just not a lot of cross over between FP nominators and WikiCup participants. Looking at the
1336:, I noticed that as well. I don't know if I've announced it on-wiki, but I should announce this publicly here: The first competitor to get an FP this year will get a special award at the end of this year's cup, in addition to the standard awards given for the highest-scoring competitors in a certain category. –
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As far as the high-multiplier FLs in the current WikiCup, a 3x multiplier still doesn't compete with FAs, and there are not a ton of high-multiplier FL opportunities out there aside from lists of cities. It was actually my goal to see how far I could get in the cup solely based on FLs and my pending
1006:, that would be more awkward, as his name was kept there for record-keeping purposes. He never formally withdrew, and he did score points during Round 2. Rather than removing his name from the Round 3 page, we might have to come up with something else, such as using a different color for his name. –
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as an example, you had 12 pictures in round 1 (360 base pts), 13 pictures in round 2 (390 base points), and 14 pictures in round 3 (420 base points). These base point values just aren't possible with featured lists, so in a sense, it's actually moving things closer to being equal instead of further
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In short, I believe the value of featured lists is not properly reflected with the current scoring. As such, I am proposing that featured list points be raised to 65 (3.08 FL per FA), 70 (2.86 FL per FA), or 80 (2.5 FL per FA) starting with the 2025 WikiCup. I'd very much appreciate any feedback on
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I'm a bit shocked that this year there's been 0 FPs. Like, I left the
Wikicup a few years back because it really felt that doing at all well with FPs in the cup was something that made people very upset, but that the celebration of all content on Knowledge now has 0 FPs? That feels weird. Ah, well,
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In terms of article writing (as someone who has written all three), I feel that FLs are only slightly more difficult to accomplish than GAs, but are significantly less difficult to write than FAs. The current ratio of FL:FA points seems about right to me; I would not support increasing over 55.
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Oh, okay - I see now. This is a real gray area, since you moved this to mainspace (which would make this a "new article" under most circumstances), but it has undeleted history dating back to 2011. My thinking is that if it qualified for DYK as a new article, then it should be scored as a new
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On my best year ever, 2019 - and, remember, no-one is more productive than me - I had 99 FPs. That's 1970 points for the entire year. Last year, the winner had 2582 points in the final round alone. In 2021, the winner had over 5000, again, last round
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Airship that we need to compare to GAs as well.
911:. As the article is too short, a conversion of a redirect, and not on any other Wiki, I believe it does not fulfill any of the bonus point requirements. If possible, I'd like my score to reflect the accurate 5 point total. ~
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Knowledge, and I still generally lost every year, even years I was literally spending entire days morning to night working on restoration.
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If I don't participate, no-one would be stupid enough to participate who works with FPs. Whic is very, very much against the original goal of the
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elimination was the reason I actually started working on the
Olympics lists. Besides the Olympics lists, the other opportunities are typically very large lists that would be a lot more work than GAs.
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undeleted to be rewritten and republished it. The article is 90% new material. Should it still qualify for an age bonus as a DYK based on the original date of publication, as the bot has handled it?
1212:" was posted for under 24 hours before my Co-nom two. Can I claim points for this? While my name was on the review and I am the second highest contributor I didn't work on the review specifically.
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1024:, that's good—what you say about tomorrow or today is understood. I absolutely agree. If anyone agrees about anything currently, they may be a serial troublemaker. Cheers!
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