Knowledge talk:WikiCup/Archive/2010/4

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that question should have been solved before, because in the end somebody will be angry for being eliminated from the Wikicup. A most convenient method would be to take all the people who have exactly the same points as the 64th in the next round. Than one or two or three pool groups will be a little larger, but this would not do a big harm and we would not hurt the feelings of people.--

1718:(ec)No, nothing underhand about your case; and so I would consider it perfectly legitimate. I would have no problem with someone writing an article on a topic they had previously researched and then claiming the points, and even deliberately pre-reading is not a bad thing, by any means. I don't think this is an issue we need to worry about, but thank you for your thoughts. 1785:? Say doubling the points? A few obvious reasons: there is no DYK possibility; it is much harder to get them to FA; the community benefits more as they are of more encyclopedic value (and usually have more regular visitors). Also, to exclude abuses, the article must have been on the list say at the beginning of 2010? 2535:

shifting a little towards allowing this sort of thing, rather than awarding points purely for audited content. Discussion on the specifics will probably have to take place at the end of this year, as well as a discussion determining for sure whether Knowledge/the competition will benefit from this addition.

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has the concept of "basic subject matter", defined as "Topics considered to be basic subject matter for a twelve-year-old using Knowledge for a school project." I admit, this would preclude a lot of important topics (I can't see much if anying in philosophy meeting this threshold...) but it's another

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At the moment, I'm thinking the "requests for dropouts", which will probably fail, followed by a mainspace edit count (the more likely option) or judging chronologically (as in, the first people to reach the tied score) if we still have too many. I will have to discuss this with the other judges, but

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should receive bonus points, nothing more. But I don't think bonus points are needed anyway; I don't really think that it would spur people to work on articles that they wouldn't normally work on. And as always, those lists will always be quite subjective, so what one person considers important might

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The actual writing of the article is no mean feat- remember that FAs were originally called "brilliant prose". It takes time, effort and considerable ability. There is no denying that, in many cases, a lot of work (even the bulk of it) will have been done before the beginning of this year. As long as

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Completely disagree with the idea of Top or High rated articles- I don't care whether something is top importances in WikiProject Pornography or WikiProject Greenday, that does not make them important. The ridiculousness of our "vital" articles was expanded on above- the list is constantly changing,

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articles I have worked on would be easily double or triple those of more esoteric articles on individual species. The nightmare of various secondary sources disagreeing with each other and having to sift through large amounts of material and rate reliability etc. as well as chopping up articles once

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Well, seing that the possibility of more than 64 editors has come up this year, I propose that next year, between each round, we allow all of those who did not drop out to enter into a tie breaker after every round. Here's how it goes, after every round there will be a 1 week tie breaker round where

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As for the aforementioned "because in the end somebody will be angry for being eliminated", this is a possibility because no measures were implemented in advance should a tiebreaker be necessary. If one had been, then we could have pointed to the rule and said, "Well, that's the way the tie-breaking

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The only way I could see a WikiCup-like contest being used in a BLP setting is if it was something as simple as "a point for every unreferenced BLP cleaned up". However, there would be real issues with subjectivity- what constitutes "cleaned up"? What about the short versus long issue? The advantage

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Has there ever been discussion of how bad timing of holidays and wikibreaks might affect things? Or are people just expected to manage their time and do more in the time they are here, if they happen to be away for two weeks in one of the two-month periods (presuming, of course, that one is still in

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I have a userspace draft that I intended to start working on again during this WikiCup, but the draft is over a year old (at least). Does that disqualify it, or does it depend on how much the article changes between now and when I submit it for GA and FA? One of the reasons I entered the WikiCup was

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Considering I have somewhere around 30 FAs, I am aware how difficult it is to write them. By the way, I would like to point out that it is not necessarily underhanded to do the research ahead of time. Someone like myself, who researches for a living, has already done much of the research for many of

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From my understanding, the "work" involves on Wiki work, not the researching and resources gathering. If you haven't written the article yet, then you'll have to do work to incorporate those sources and improve the article. Si yes, it would counts towards WikiCup. Now if you had actually written the

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I just learned over at the FAC page that the only FAs which count for the WikiCup this year as those which have been worked on during 2010. I'm a bit concerned about this rule. That basically excludes anyone who does research for a living and then writes Knowledge articles about that research, or,

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I was discussing this very problem with my wife two days ago. She thought one way would be to cut it chronologically. The first 64 to score would go through. I took a look, and if I'm not mistaken, I was the 65th person to get on the board. So that would be a bummer. I'm also last alphabetically, so

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If the 64 editors progressing to the next level had to be chosen today, how would it be done? There are 45 users with 20 or more points, but 67 editors with 10 or more points. On Feb 26, unless the number of points happens to exactly break at editor 64, there will have to be some sort of tiebreaker.

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template. It's used to add new submissions to your submissions page. It should make it easier to read the submissions code if you ever need to find a specific article in your submissions page. Also, instead of having to either copy and paste all that text from the submissions instructions or type it

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Absolutely. Weighting points for different articles has already been rejected, and the issue of unreferenced BLPs is much more administrative than the other things for which we award points- equally, it's somewhat negative. Rather than "this article is now good", it turns it into "this article is no

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The Cup went through a similar discussion last year. It's not a good idea to change the rules while the competition is ongoing and the idea is gameable: anybody can reassess articles within a project and the distinction between importance categories is not clear cut. Version 1.0 or 1.2 core topics

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There is not a page for prizes. Last year, the judges clarified what would be awarded (we had first, second, third and fourth place, as well as a "top eight award", plus additional awards for various content types, and a banner for participation) in the last few weeks- the graphics were designed by

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What's wrong with chronological promotion? Seems like a more appropriate version of sudden death. Your first suggestion is a good idea, but there is the problem that I suspect the majority of people will not have done so. The second is a little odd, and not the easiest thing to judge- remember many

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You are right 60 with 20 or more points. 8 with 20 points and 16 with 10 points, a few will get additional 10 points. My suggestion would be that the oldest wikipedians are positively discriminated and advance to the next level, or that non native speakers have the bonus to advance ;-). In reality

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I would be inclined to agree with this. Minor recognition for paticipation in reviewing processes (GAC, FAC, PR, possibly others) with the bulk of points still coming from actual editing. There is a little opposition to this, I gather, but I do feel the focus of the competition/its participants is

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When I signed up for the WikiCup, I thought that I was going to be able to get internet access on my computer before then (I'm on a relative's computer), but a month into the proceedings and I still do not have internet on my computer. As much as I hate doing this (I'll still edit Knowledge, but I

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I've removed the racehorses and added the philosphers... I don't think I care enough to deal with the list as a whole. I loved the hidden comment on the racehorse section- "limit to 25?" It's really not awfully clear what purpose that list is trying to serve. A list of key concepts and biographies

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Luckily FPs and FSes are each worth 35 points, so swapping the points doesn't disrupt things, but the bot continues to misfile my FP. I've now tried swapping the headers of the two sections (so I have my FP listed where FSes were and vice versa) to try and trick the bot into filing them correctly.

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Not sure about that; I'd rather we started the next round knowing what's what. Further, I'm not wild about people racing for points like that, and shifting the groups... No. I'm still not really seeing the reason for the opposition to the variant of chronological I proposed, which seems to be more

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If not enough drop out, how about a more positive version of sudden death? Let's say editors 61-70 score 20 points. 70 initially go through, and six pools temporarily have nine users. Once four of those last ten score, the other six are removed. If this creates unequal groups, the four who were in

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for the number of strange little bacon-themed foods that grace DYK frequently) but the geographic and scientific ideas are good. Of course, the problem with this is that it misses a lot of things that it should be hitting- if people are getting bonus points for scratching together a GA on a minor

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If you're asking if I control that account, the answer is no. If you're asking if my wife controls that account, the answer is no. I've been unsuccessful at getting my wife to create an account. If you're asking if I actually have a heart of steel, then possibly -- it's been claimed that I have a

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No. The rules say we need 64 people. Not 70+ How about we ask for withdraws from people and if that's not enough, then we can have some sort of tie breaker. say if there are 69 people still remaining, then the bottom 6 go onto compete for the wildcard spot. Whoever scores frist can remain in the

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Alright, you're right. I didn't realise anything listed there was a stub. I assumed they would all be of reasonable quality. However, looking at that list, there's some weird shit going on- quite why there are so many racehorses is beyond me, and even if I was to stick to my areas of interest...

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I think my point is being missed. You're not really stopping people from "sandboxing a dozen articles" because the bulk of the work related to any FA is the research, not the writing. So, a really smart WikiCup competitor would have done all of the research in 2009 and would now simply write and

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Yes, I am glad you brought that up, I noticed that also, and felt like that would be the most difficult aspect. There are not as many measurements for starting articles (unreferenced BLPs), as there are for advanced, older articles, (good article, featured article) which the WikiCup focuses on.

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Well, hmm...thats the thing, the WikiCup has been going on since 2007, and I love the ingenious way it has evolved. Maybe something similar to the Wikicup? What are your thoughts? I have ideas, but you folks have all the experience in doing this, and I think it is best to have you and the other

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Not really been discussed- I know at least one other participant takes regular wikibreaks, and, obviously, the majority of contestants have work, school, college, university, home life, hobbies, technology problems and such to deal with! I'm not really sure there's anything that can be done- if

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I think the problem is twofold. One is simply the weighting of one area of the project more than another. That could probably be overcome for the reasons you outline. The bigger issue, however, is that Wikicup scoring is based upon measurable, reviewed content. If you got, say, half a point per

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Hello, I spoke with the winner of the 2009 wikicup, Durova about a reference contest, and she suggested that I ask you folks. I am interested in seeing Knowledge starting a unreferenced living people (BLP) sourcing contest, to help alleviate the 44,000 unreferenced BLPs, there is definitely an

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encyclopedic articles that often require a bit of work with scope and really trying to include and prioritise notable material. These often take a great deal of work. The more I think about Top Importance for any aprticular wikiproject the more I think it is too much of a headache to monitor.

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Let's have everyone on 10 into the next round with all those on zero eliminated. That way nobody's feelings are hurt and nobody is angry (those on zero have possibly forgotten, lost interest or have even left as it surely can't be that difficult to write a 1500 character DYK on any topic in 2

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This was mentioned on the scoring page a few days ago- there's not really any way we could fit it in to the current competition, but it is something that could be discussed for next year. A second competition could be a possibility, but it would need to be planned and then advertised...

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like the idea of a sub-competition (sudden death or something akin) and I don't think letting more people through to the second round would work, as it completely undermines the idea of groups. (Unless, of course, we allow eight more through, and have eight groups of nine...)

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Page views was just a suggestion, and would only work if the tie being broken was between people with 2 or 3 DYKs. But that is likely; right now everybody with 20 or 10 points got them only from DYKs. I don't like chronological promotion because it has no element of quality.

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Yeah, the "work" is only the Knowledge work. Learning about a subject is one thing, the physical writing of the article is what that rule is concerned with, intended to stop people from sandboxing a dozen articles in November and December and releasing them during the Cup.

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for more info. I do like think there is value, at its heart, of recognising genuinely high importance and encyclopedic material more than less important articles. However, I strongly feel that, as of right now, we lack an objective method that isn't severely flawed.

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I just noticed that for the flags poster of the Wikicup, you used the original CSA flag (aka the actual "Stars & Bars") twice. I have been using the 3rd CSA flag, which is why ACDixon was using the 1st one. Why the double use of the original CSA

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I have been considering this. Mainspace edits was something I'd thought about, but I also like withdrawal requests and chronological promotion (however, I would have it as the first however many more were needed to reach the tied number, so, if we had

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important? Finally, the western bias is clear. For instance, we have lots of time for Judaism and Jews, despite the fact it is, all things considered, a rather minor religion. We have much less time for Eastern faiths, even the likes of Hinduism...

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is an obvious anr (roughly) consensus-derived. I was musing on considering also, say, any Top Importance article as rated by any particular wikiproject, but would worry that could be gamed. Anyway, what do folks feel about this idea for next year?

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Ooh, had another thought. I would imagine we would be able to offer some preference towards those who, during the competition, have been taking part in PR, FXC, GAC, DYK and the like- the kind of background work on which this competition relies.

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The article is either a very short article or a rough collection of information that will need much work to bring it to A-Class level. It is usually very short, but can be of any length if the material is irrelevant or incomprehensible.

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You get the points in kilo-Viewers in November of the previous year as bonus. For Periodic table it would be 306 for Barack Obama it would be 682 points for Friedrich Nietzsche it would be 181 for Botswana it would be 67 and so on ....

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all the contestants that are tied for the last spot will compet for that position. Whoever scores the most by the end of the week will move on. If there is another tie, then whoever scored first will move on. Does that sound good?--

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Not seeing it on the poster, and when I searched on the flags list for ACDixon, I didn't find him. He's not on any of our contestestant lists. Could you perhaps be a little more specific? Who are the two people with the same flag?

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The above explanations are accurate. As long as there's some real work on the article in 2010 (beyond merely copyediting or some such) then it's fine. Writing an article based on earlier research would be completely legitimate.

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Quite nice for DYKs, thanks! Hafta still work out FA/FP/FL/etc tho, since those require including a nomination. Maybe add an additional optional 3rd variable for the FAC/FLC/FPC location which is only inserted if used?

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Despite all this, I have found working on these monster articles a great experience on the whole, and representative of a real collaborative spirit. Anyway we can promote the improvement of 'core' articles would be a

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Oh, trust me you will not get any argument from me on that. The list seems very random and arbitrary in many ways. It looks like some intend it primarily to be for "definition" and basic articles on meanings - i.e.

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You got me there Milburn. For me it would be Nazi Germany is a vital article and HGAS about Inglourious Basterds? I never knew that this would actually hurt my chances seeing as I edit Artilces on German Subs and

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my example...) There would be no way to include major philosophers on the list, as there is no objective measure of what constitutes a "major" philosopher, but there is an objective way to judge capital cities.

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calculation is that a triple point bonus for GA or FA would be a fair reward, but that might look a bit unbalancing, so double might be more prudent. The next question is what list(s) represent 'core' articles.

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like. Hopefully, when people realise they are close to be knocked out, there will be a rush of last minute submissions, and the higher the count, the less likely a draw. Does anyone else have any thoughts?

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procedure was set up." But since we're just tossing together this procedure at the end of the round, there won't be a way to satisfy everyone unless the appropriate number of people withdraw voluntarily.

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source, what's to stop adding mediocre sources to lots of articles that adds little help? Or referencing the same fact 3 times. Judges can't be responsible for the hundreds of references that would flow.

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Yes, a lot of people are completely writing their entries. However, a key problem with this- how to deal with non-articles? Topics? Pictures? Sounds? Portals? No, I don't think that idea is appropriate.

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they reach gigantic proportions and move large chunks of text to daughter articles - this has happened several times. Also having daughter articles with text that disagrees with amin article etc. etc.

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of the current system is that it is much more objective- the only issue we have is judging "significant work"- IE, judging whether people have done enough work on an article this year to claim points.

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in fact, anyone who has spent a lot of time reading about a specific topic (precisely the people you want writing FAs). To give a hypothetical example. Several years ago I did a bunch of research on

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Last year, we developed and then awarded our own awards. They're purely symbolic- no real-world value. I believe the possibility of getting sponsorship was mentioned, but it didn't come to anything.

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If my count is correct 60 users currently have at least 20 points. If 4 more folks write a DYK or something, the 10 point problem will be solved (though we may run into the same thing at 20 points).

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people are submitting articles that they have merely added to, rather than written completely. The final option would be difficult- remember that we will be sorting people into groups for round two.

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I don;t like page views at all. Mine got only a handfull (I think) of views due to the fact that it was at the bottom of the template. I think that asking people to drop out is the best option.--

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Now that would be a good idea. There have been complaints, especially from the FAC department, that the Cup has spawned an untenable amount of articles being nominated. When combined with

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work on it this year, I'm happy to award points. In any case, as has been said before, I don't think many people are so fussed that they will have intricate under-hand tactics like this.

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points). I am hoping there will be no need for any sort of tie-breaker. We will have two days to resolve the issue, should it finish early. Page views and alphabetical are two ideas I do

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points still come from writing but that one can get a few extra by reviewing - a bit like being a good goalkicker to convert tries or touchdowns in gridiron or rugby union/league :)

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doubt I can do so on a timely basis like this since I'm sharing the computer), I must bow out and sign my withdrawal. I hope there's one in 2011 so I can come back at a better time.

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There are 50 users with at least 20 pts and 7 of them with exactly 20; about 21 have 10 pts. I think 30 pts will guarantee a spot and 20 will be the minimum by the end of the round.

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I was looking at the contestants for the Wikicup and I noticed that MisterWiki has been banned for 10 years. Can someone do something about that, like remove his panel or something?

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challange as the 64th person. This can take place before the next round begins and after this round ends. So they have about two days to write a DYK and get it to the main page.--

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his/her FAs and therefore, in many senses, is not a fair competitor (that is one reason I don't enter things like this). Anyway, I've raised the issue - do what you will with it.

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Probably. The bot has not done well with FT/GTs. Have you formatted as it is listed on the submissions page? I really need to get to bed- I will look into this as soon as I can.

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Okay, I have been thinking about this and do see the issues with the vital and core articles, yet I do see the headaches over possible gaming and also funny broad topics like

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Wait, wait, hold off the angry mobs for now. This is just a small suggestion, which you are free to take or reject as you please. I am sure by now many of you have seen the

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Thanks. I hope I have time to participate in some of the reviews later in the year. I don't know who said it first, but every article wants to be a featured article.

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Garden, while the discussions on what prizes were to be awarded for was conducted between iMatthew, Garden and I. The prizes were then awarded on talk pages, and

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creators actively involved from the very start. So I am open to any thoughts that you have. I am willing to invest the time in creating this, I just need help :)

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Sad to see you go. There will almost certainly be another competition next year. I have removed you from lists and the poster, feel free to remove yourself from

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I'll assent to mainspace edits as a tiebreaker. You'll note I have few mainspace edits this year, but I expect to be above the 30 points I already have anyway.

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it was discussed. This is a fairly workable rule, I will give it that, so it it is something that may warrant discussion in the run up to next year's contest.

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This is something for which a lot of people have expressed support, and an idea I certainly think has value. This will definitely be discussed for next year.

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It is interesting trying to think of parameters, I added food as food is woefully underrepresented. Question is, are there other parameters that can make it

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Agree completely. We had a discussion about this (somewhere in the archives now), and I was hoping it might be instituted for this year. I think sticking to

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The trickiest part is for the judges to actually count the useful edits. Here it is more like "other users agreed it is GA/FA/etc so we give you points".

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but there is still a fundamental problem with the entire list when, for example, there are 50+ articles on food and drink and 12 on war and military. —

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to see what could be salvaged. While writing FAs, GAs, and DYKs is highly important, I would venture to say that cleaning up that category (along with

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No. This was discussed and rejected. As you know, changing the goal-posts mid-round is also a bad idea. We can discuss the issue again for next year.

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As long as there's some real work this year, it's good. Your call on whether there is work- if you required motivation to do it, there probably is :)

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Oh... That still isn't going to work for a whole host of things. FLCs have /archive1 on the end, for example. I more meant that you could input, say,

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One possible multiplier (that would at least for FA and FL) is to give bonuses for articles within underrepresented topics (like it is done now for

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longer shit". It's really not in the current spirit of the Cup. There is also the fact that mid-competition rule changes are probably a bad idea.

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article but hadn't bothered posting it yet and just had it sitting completed offline somewhere, then it wouldn't count if it were discovered. --

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for DYK after creating and expanding it. I made 65 of the first 67 edits to the page (5 edits have been made to it after it made the main page).

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I'm not a fan of that method either. I would vote for mainspace edit count, but I'm biased. I brought up this potential problem awhile back at

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A week is practically no time, barely enough for a DYK to go through. If you are ready to write a DYK, just nominate it before a tiebreaker.

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My points have not been credited yet for a GT (with 7 articles) that I've listed in my submissions page. Is there a problem with the bot? —

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All material referenced with a reliable source, everything else removed, with a brief note on talk that the material has been deleted.

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tied to the competition itself, both in spirit and practice. I think the only one with no opposition at the moment is mainspace edits.

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Request that editors withdraw until 64 remain (might be the easiest and fairest, especially if it wouldn't take very many withdrawals)

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have been announced in the final newsletter- our top eight certainly were. The sign-up page for this year's competition can be found

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level or higher" to include unranked clades, which is how we can include lichen, vertebrates and flowering plants, to name three.

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Was a reward for the winner ever discussed for this contest? Similar to Knowledge:Reward board, if so where is the conversation?

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Very well, I have removed you from the contestants lists and faded your name from the poster. Feel free to remove yourself from

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It was just a small joke based on how that editor often will tell a story before coming to his (quite well-thought out) point.

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better, but, again, I'm not wild about them- how were they chosen? There are some people on there I've never even heard of.

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to encourage myself to work on such drafts, so it would be a bit of a pain if drafts started before 2010 were disqualified.

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is inspiring and also overwhelming. This project is definitely a guiding star and barometer test for all future contests.

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food components? Not sure. Food which has been around since antiquity? Dunno. We could modify "Any group of organism of

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general- I'd say a lot of those don't hold massive amounts of value. Some parts read more like a children's dictionary-

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Valid points. The rules are not going to be changed mid-competition, this is all discussion for next year's contest.

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Look at the flag 3 across, 2 down from the top left, and look at the flag 2 across and 7 down from the top right.--

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did to take it to FA. But I like the idea in general and hope that some type of bonus is workable for next year.

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A DYK nomination will sit in the queue for longer than two days, so I don't think that would work all that well.

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Odds are, most of those articles are stubs. If you source them you should expand them, and they can be DYKs.

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capital city, should people not also be getting bonus points for major philosophers? (Sorry, I know this is

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A double point bonus/multiplier for articles in the following categories (which hopefully can't be gamed):

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How odd. I'm afraid I have no idea how the bot works- perhaps I should switch the headings of the columns?

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This doesn't mean you won't see my contributions of course, they just won't be in this year's cup results.

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I agree that asking for people to drop out is best. Let's hope the breakpoint requires very few to drop.

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I won't have the time to contribute enough to be competitive in early 2010, so it's best to bow out now.

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Hmm..interesting thought, but anything less than a concrete/ironclad criterion could be problematic....

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I'd figure the above cats are pretty unambiguous and core encyclopedic material - how do others feel?

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I agree that the end counts will likely be better. I don't like the idea of chronological promotion.

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and at any given moment seems to contain a lot of rubbish, and miss a lot of important stuff. See

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I believe my formatting is correct, but if it's wrong, please tell me how and I'll correct it. —

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fares better despite mid-importance to the textile arts because it covers a more focused scope.

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Not necessarily. Say 1k characters review minimum would be acceptable for judges to oversee it.

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Where's Thomas Hobbes? John Stuart Mill? Seems to be some pretty random choices on that list...

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How about "Any Nobel Prize Winner", that is unambiguous (?) Philosophy is hard. Need to think.

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The Vital Expanded list has always been a dumping ground for articles that were rejected from

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Thank you so much for the response. J Milburn, I see you have edited this talk page the most,

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Meh, I think this is fine. If people submit them, just switch the headers at your talk page.

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which started Jan 21, in just three weeks, 7,000 articles have been removed from the list.

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It's hard to see how we could, other than reducing it to "her article is better than his".

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Wait. Stop. You're telling me that we should be awarding bonus points to some who expands

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Best of luck to everyone and hopefully I'll have enough time to compete again next year.

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Okay it's better now. I've updated the instructions above and on the documentation page.

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we're not managing to speak as much as we did before the start of the competition. I do

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about this a full month ago and got "dueling at dawn" so we may have to resort to that.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but why is there no DYK possibility on those articles? --

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Awadewit, absolutely no one is calling your prior knowledge of the topic underhanded.

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I like your ideas but how about adding more points for top and high rated articles?--

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Wow, the amount of work and effort that has been put into this project, for example,

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next time. Reviewing content is part of building the encyclopedia too ;-) Thanks,

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B articles so in that sense they are more evolved. I would check with them also.

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Ah, I see. Yours is wrong then? Could you link to the image you intended to use?

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And "Any musical instrument or class of instruments in a classical orchestra" ?

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Gonna be honest, I'm still not wild about that. The core topics seem a little

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Do you really think it's likely that one of them will be five times expanded?

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You can just use the third parameter, then, for numbers like "1", "2", etc.

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Do you think adapting this is possible for a BLP contest? Any suggestions?

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all out manually, you just type out the following to add a new submission:

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I'd dispute that it will be workable next year. I've added people such as

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is such a vitally important article. Who gives a shit about rubbish like

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People can still type a lot of nonsense in 1000 characters. Just look at

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someone takes a lengthy break, they will naturally be at a disadvantage.

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the sudden death situation are the four who are shifted if appropriate.

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It would only work if we kept it to really top-level articles, like

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would either of you be interested in forming a second competition?

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Discussed where? And I said next round, not in the middle of this.

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Referencing BLPs is not even getting an article to start level.

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This would probably result in a lot of short, unhelpful reviews.

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the competition when the two-month period in question arrives!)?

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Agreed, but even then, finding an objective list would be hard.

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as well as various plant/bird/fungus articles. The work on some

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where is the sign up page for this year? I can't find it at all.

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along with the article itself and it would pump out both lists.

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I REALLY don't want to have to do this, but I have to withdraw

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articles for bonus points would be easy and drama-free, no?

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I suggest we all don some wrestling suits, and do a WikiCup

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Any better ideas then? Come on! There has to be something.--

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How about the any/some/all of the following for next year:

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so some people may voluntarily withdraw to compete there.

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of food like pork, barley, rice, corn etc. - cannot be a

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Then it gets slanted towards modern/recent articles... —

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It still hasn't gotten my FT after about 3 or 4 weeks.--

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100% seconded. I just removed a bunch of entries there,

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I've double checked and my formatting is correct. —

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No, you're definitely not the only one. I submitted

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