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comfortable in? Not just random articles? I mean, even you suggested in an earlier topic to "pick a topic you are passionate about, one that you don't mind spending months working on, digging deeper into new sources, or poring over writing to fashion into brilliance." JulianColton is passionate about hurricanes, and I'm passionate about military history; our passion means that over the years of our lives we've built up personal libraries worth of information. As a result, we have the information to write articles on hand. This doesn't mean that's all in my head; I still do quite a bit of research. But I don't have to spend weeks upon weeks researching, and then writing. I can read relevant passages from several books and move this onto Knowledge and write a well-written article. Of course, there will be copyedits and the FAC alone will take at least two weeks or so, but the bulk of the article was written within a week. I mean, even you admitted that you can write the bulk of an article within a week.
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the 18 that want to opt-in) could continue to compete in a pool called Lightweight. The eight eliminated after the third round could keep competing in a pool called Hardcore. The final four obviously continue to compete for the WikiCup. I'm thinking that this would allow eliminated editors to compete with others in a similar bracket. Being more competitive in nature would foster more content creation and would keep editors more interested in content creation until September instead of only March and since the whole point of this is to create content instead of just eliminate "foes" on your way to winning a trophy, I think this could be a good thing.
394:; that was no easy topic. But, given my areas of interests I guess my point is that the basic information is already in my head. Given that I know the skeleton of what I'm looking to write, using sources for me is fairly easy. I can read a couple of pages of different books, sort it in my head, and extrapolate it in my own words onto Knowledge. That article took me roughly two days to write (minus all the hours I wasn't writing). It has taken about a week to get through ACR (and hasn't passed yet), and once up for FAC it will take two more weeks. That's a total of four weeks. 242:
2 to 4 hours a night), but the GA and Peer Review process, asking for feedback from respected editors, copy edits, and the like take much longer. Let me reiterate my concern above: please don't depict the construction of an FA as something relatively effortless. I predict a rush on FACs where "this was all the information that is available". My advice: pick a topic you are passionate about, one that you don't mind spending months working on, digging deeper into new sources, or poring over writing to fashion into brilliance. --
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eliminated contestants would still have the competitive spirit and would want to be put into a single group to compete against each other. I'm thinking that since there are, at this moment, five editors with between 21 and 51 points aren't in the top three of their pool (and another five between 10 and 20), while in some pools editors with sub-10 points
398:, the time I spent the most on it was two days to a week (including copyediting); I don't count lulls. Between that, I can write other articles, so it wouldn't be fair for me to claim that those four weeks should be rewarded as if I was doing the same amount of work as someone pumping out GAs, because I'm not. 286:
there's a suggestion for skipping GA now. How many FA storm articles do you have? Do you already have all your sources? Is it just a matter now of plugging in the right information in the right place? Is the effort your spend on your next FA going to be the same as someone who has never written an FA before?
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Hi, here's an offer in the interests of friendly sportsmanship. Not everyone is a restorationist. Suggesting a voluntary downgrade to 15 points per featured picture, applicable only to myself. Everyone else would still get full 35 points credit for featured pictures. Not sure how others will take
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A week from start to finish on an FA? I'm not sure how you're estimating that time. Perhaps the articles you're considering are the famous short articles causing the FAC talk pages so much consternation. I've written the bulk of some articles in 7 or 8 days (in a frenzied manic state not sleeping but
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featured picture project, with Doré. I will probably end up having to spend more when I move on from this one. Furthermore, I'm a poor student, living just above the poverty level at best, so I'm suffering for Knowledge. If you think my work is easy, maybe you'd like to donate some money towards the
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Garden, if Durova gets 15 points for FPs, then she would have 207 right now. Theleftorium currently has 199, so it would hardly be a runaway. I think that overall, it makes more sense to handicap her significantly than to handicup everyone slightly. I think that it's easier to build FPs when you get
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Keep 'em, or even increase them. The very kind offers of mentoring from Shoemaker's holiday and Durova have motivated me to try restoring some pictures (when work is less hectic) and to be honest the potential points are also slightly motivating ;). I'll definitely need a couple of featured pictures
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Frankly I really would like the point system for FPs to remain where it is for everybody else. After mentoring people in this, it really does rival the difficulty for the average person to get their first FP as their first FA. 35 points for non-regulars would be an excellent motivating factor, and
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Which adds up to a total of £89 (around $ 135, though mind you, I do get to use the sources somewhere else down the line as well, so it's not just all spent on this article). And remember: I'm a sixth form student. I don't really have the money to spend on loads of fancy stuff; I bought most of this
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My point is that while it appears the rules of this contest are dickered about here on the talk page, the spirit of it is abandoned. Challenge yourself by writing about something you have to research almost or completely by scratch. Why not choose Battle of the Bulge, the Siege of Bastogne or D-Day?
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This is my primary issue with contests such as these. On the surface it looks like a game where the objective is the growth of the editor. But here is the opinion that no, some editors don't need PR. Some can skip GA. It takes only a week to write an FA. What simplicity. No growth needed. Absolutely
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I do agree with the sentiments of the thead, but I don't think there's any problem yet. The majority of people in the competition were already big content contributors, so they're just continuing what they were already doing, but with a little more motivation now. However, I do feel that we have to
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I was aiming to get through this phase without anything other than mainspace edits, sadly that no longer looks a viable tactic for the Pool I'm in, and I seem set for the second highest score amongst the 30 who are dropped at the end of round 1. However I really like the idea of pools competing and
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in the top three, perhaps a portion of these 10 editors would want to keep playing (assuming they don't break into the top three of their respective pools come the end of March), in a pool called Casual. Then, after the second round ends at the end of May, the 18 eliminated editors (or whichever of
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I thought the bot didn't check any links, since I've seen some people add DYKs to their Submissions page without links beyond one to the article, and it was still counted. I'd like to hear directly from whoever wrote the bot, as I imagine the extra work to make it check the other pages might be too
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Yes, I have written FAs such as the Everglades satellites in 3 to 8 days. For one article I had the freedom two read and write 12 hours a day. By the last one, I had already read all the sources and it was only a matter of doing the writing and checking for completeness. But all my articles went to
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From what I've gathered on IRC, it takes some users around thirty minutes to complete an article for GAN. It could take over a week to prepare an article for FAC. That should be taken into consideration. Even if a straight-to-FAC article received 80 points, that's 80 points for a 1-week effort.
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Thanks for the tip Mgm. I've been thinking I owe DYK some serious reviewing/helping time myself after making a few submissions. So, do you think I should avoid reviewing other Wikicup contestents? I know you don't make teh rulez :) But I'd value your advice as a DYK regular. It seems a bit unfair.
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a private discussion about this idea, and we agree that it is a good one. Hopefully we'll get another table or three for the defeated contestants to compete in (I know that some people will be knocked out prematurely due to breaks, so this will be a good chance to continue competing.) Thanks for
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Good point, I withdraw my suggestion of dropping a few each week, but I think a league start next year would maximise the fun element by giving most competitors near rivals to compare themselves with. Mitchazenia and I have a close contest for 4th place in group J but I suspect quite a few others
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articles benefit from PR, regardless of how much experience an editor has at FAC. I wonder if you think all your articles are about storms, or JonCatalan's about tanks or military equipment, that you have all the writing experience you need. In this thread you're trying to work points for FAs, and
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True, I do write about storms. Also true is that JonCatalan works on military articles. I definitely agree that it would difficult for me to write on a topic foreign to me, but since those are the topics we write about, we have sufficient experience to push an article to high-quality levels in an
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What if you were exempt from FA storm articles, or JonCatalan from military equipment for this contest? What if you had to get an FA on something completely different, start from scratch, totally new sources, Day 1 standing in the library wondering which way to go? Wouldn't that be more fair, and
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Place finish in the WikiCup doesn't matter much, but improving Knowledge's content does. If we had 100 editors each restoring 2 images a week, Knowledge could gain 10,000 featured pictures in one year. Shoemaker's Holiday and I are glad to help new people get up to speed; we've already handed
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All I'm suggesting is to instigate some rules to avoid unfair advantages or disadvantages. It's unlikely that giving someone an unfair advantage slips by the other regulars of the DYK or FA processes, but I feel more strongly about purposely opposing stuff from pool members to get an advantage
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Well to be fair, I've written both about military equipment and military operations. I've written on topics that I haven't researched in years (such as the Battle of the Bulge), although I do have the resources for them on hand. But, in any case, isn't the point to take on topics that you're
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Because Sandy is worried about this sort of thing, a note to all considering featured content promotion to remember that only significant contributors are allowed to nominate featured content (without a significant contributor's permission.) Any such FAC will be summarily withdrawn as per FAC
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I'm wondering if, after the first round, some of the eliminated contestants wouldn't be interested in still competing in a "casual" pool. I don't know if it would make things too difficult for the judges to set up, or if there'd be any interest at all. But I would imagine that some of the 30
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Pool C has plenty of potential. I have 10 DYKs on the Main Page right now... beats the five I had a few hours ago... it tore me to pieces when they split my record 14 DYKs in one hook down into 9+5 because it went off on so many tangents... but what's most interesting is that 10 DYKs is the
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Unless the rules change in one of the ways suggested on this page, then you have no link with editors in other pools but it could be inappropriate to be arguing against things that would generate points for rivals in your own pool. As an example I sometimes review articles at
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Actually, I don't have a single GA to my name (or FA, DYK, etc), and I've been editing for over two years. But, I spent the last couple of days working on one and submitted it for consideration last night. It was kind of fun, so if you've got another one in mind, let's do it.
2194:, I thought it was interesting that the average gap between 3rd and 4th place is 28.1 points while the average gap between 2nd and 3rd place is much higher: 41.4. Don't know if that info could help out in planning a future WikiCup or whatever, just throwing it out there. 2945:
I call shenanigans. We were promised no more point changes. Durova even offered to drop her points. Instead, I'm the one who gets to suffer by working in the same Featured content group as a highly prolific creator of that content, above and beyond what I could ever do.
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They should be Featured. Julian, what about meteorology, Atlantic Ocean, or create an article about storms in literature? The amount of work that go into those will be substantial and look at what Knowledge will have to show for it. Even better, look at what
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I think WereSpielChequers has a point, but it's perhaps best to remember that this is jus a bit of fun- leaving a while before the first elimination means even casual users can join in, enjoy themselves and hopefully be motivated to improve some content.
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From personal experience it takes me four to five days to get the bulk of an article done. It's true that the peer review will take even more time. I meant for pure article construction. It will take at least two weeks for a FAC to pass, alone.
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article, which says two things: one, I'm a geek with no life; and two, it's on the lower end of the spectrum of featured article writing. You really need passion and drive to write a featured article, not just exhaustion of real-life sources.
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Actually there's no rule saying the editor can't route an FA through GA first if they want to, then they also pick up points for mainspace edits. The WikiCup doesn't count anything for the thousands of edits in Photoshop it took to get
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If the purpose of the cup is to motivate people into building the encyclopedia, then keeping the competition fun and sporting is worth doing. Will defer to other contributors and the organizers about when or whether to implement this.
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acquisition of further material, so I can apply my easy work to it, since evidently noone else in this group but Durova is capable of doing this easy work, despite it being so very easy. E-mail me. We could co-nominate the results.
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In hindsight, it might make more sense to have a shorter first round, since that's probably when there will be the biggest gap between points for contestants. In later rounds, I imagine the standard deviation will be much lower.
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Haha, if Raul really wants in, he can have my spot and my points. I don't know if he can beat Julian either though. Hurricane season will be around by the later rounds, and, well, you know how Julian spams up the place. :D
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I've just noticed: Only me, Durova, and Spencer have any FPs. So other people are essentially voting to drop the points for doing contributions they themselves apparently have no interest from getting points from.
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Heh. I don't want to move; I just think Paxse would do good in Pool B. I need a bit of competition, but not so much that I may not qualify (and what the hell at people racking up 700 edits these past 10 days...)
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I'm considering withdrawing this offer if the point count changes to 25 for everyone, which is where the straw poll is heading. We need more restorationists; I get more material than I could possibly do alone.
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To be honest, I don't see the point right now - to be fair (and no offence to anyone in Durova's pool) you'll probably storm it even with 15 points apiece. Perhaps the rule could come into place next round?
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Hey, I noticed this before now but anyway... the choice of wording means the last person (and presumably therefore the winner) will be competing against themselves for an extra fortnight more than necessary.
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more than 11 points (assuming 0.1 points for a major, and 0.01 for a minor). Could this possibly because I was a late entry, and wasn't actually added to the list until after the competition had started?
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interests outside of storms? Surely I am not unique that passionate interest can be directed at many topics. I briefly considered getting an FA in each category of FAs, but that math category will kill
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Am I right in thinking that the edits are counted from January 1? If so, I think the bot has my edit count wrong for some reason- even removing edits from today (and some of yesterday's) I should have
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Man-hours: about a week added together (normally in 4-6 hour stints), over the course of six months (I "finished" the article exactly six months after I started it), and a hell of a load of lemonade
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I would appreciate it if people did reveal that they are wikicup entrants in FLCs. It's a bit of a different situation with us because both Matthewedwards and I are entrants in the competition. --
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Just to check - does the bot count edits made with alternate accounts? I don't want to use my main account at school, so I'd appreciate it if edits made with this account were counted too. Thanks!
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I'd be more likely to try to expand an undersized suggestion than reject it anyway. Can't see myself rejecting much, just verifying, expanding a little if necessary and adding the green tick.
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no challenge. Well, I'm challenging you—all of you. Start from scratch. Don't write for arbitrary points set up on a talk page. Do something worthy of acknowledgment and show your growth. --
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The bot won't recognise it until it's been on the main page and has the talk page template. I add them as hidden comments when I nominate them so I can easily keep track of what's on.
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In that time space another user could dominate a dozen GAs, if they wanted to. The point system (for next year, of course), in my opinion, should weigh that into consideration. :)
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No, certainly Garden would have to be Simon. I would likely be Randy, and Thehelpfulone can be Paula. I guess if we needed to fill the new girl's spot, we could make ST47 her. :-P
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The stats aren't entirely correct as Catalan, in my Pool A, his points are not counted except for mainspace for some reason. Otherwise we would have 200 more points in Pool A.
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Anyway, I think this is a great idea. I'm not sure if the scoring is equitable - it might be worth tweaking it next year - but it's just the kind of thing we should encourage.
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The points were set at the start of the Wikicup, and we were promised no more changes. I should not have my points reduced in violation of this promise because someone who
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So here's the offer: barnstars to the first three WikiCup participants who earn a restoration featured picture credit (other than myself and Shoemaker). Best wishes all,
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will have to show from it. If growth is the point of this contest, then show you have grown. Otherwise, why not post "I got 1,000,000 points. I win." on your user page? --
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I bet you that Mathewedwards and WereSpielChequers have both got several featured credits coming as well. If this were pools competing against other pools we'd clean up!
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I'd also like to suggest that people should not be able to reject DYKs from competing players in the same pool as them (or promote hooks from friends in other pools). -
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Agreed. Just because we have an expert on picture restoration here doesn't mean that it should be reduced for everyone. Should we reduce Featured Article scores because
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Okay, done; anyways, the bot counted the DYK without the right formatting. Just wait for the bot to update the scores before asking why it hasn't counted your points ;)
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Oh man, as one of the few entrants still limited to mainspace points, you guys are making it very difficult. Pool I, though, is far and away leading ing total points.
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Nah, I'd rather not have one week where points don't count. I don't think it makes sense to encourage people to hold off on nominations, which that would probably do.
464:, at barely under 20KB, get on FAC. People shouldn't be afraid to spend money on resources to get a truly great featured article. For example, take my labour-of-love, 3063: 2647:(Someone from pool I, right on cue) I think it would be pretty decent of Durova to lower the featured picture cost. Dunno if I could catch up, but I'll give it a go! 3664: 1678: 570:
Shoemaker and I have been working to build a path, and make it easier for others to join us. Was a bit tougher to get things started. We'd be glad to have you.
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I, too, am against changing the point value between rounds. I have placed my name under "current" in each category. FWIW, I have no points other than mainspace.
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if you're a WikiCup member because she's afraid you'll votestack. Crazy gal, I know, but we love her and don't at all envy her position, so do as she asks :) --
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Yes, that way the last person left will be eliminated (due to their having the lowest score of all remaining competitors), that way they won't get too cocky.
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material and/or advice to about half a dozen WikiCup participants. More are welcome. Recommend getting Skype: it's a good client for media file transfers.
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I like this. It encourages those who are eliminated (or who feel they might be) to continue building and editing which is what it should be all about. --➨♀♂
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Yeah, pool B is really boring. There's just me and Sceptre doing anything, and three slots to the next round. Oh, well. I'll keep up the FS and FP work.
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Gary King- I was assuming that the bot checks the talk page notice, as when adding it to the submissions page, you need a link to the article talk page?
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Why not give a one-month lead in before the first elimination? It'd give everyone time to get their nominations together, and start racking up points.
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Well, Sandy has nothing to do with featured content other than featured articles; depends if the other featured content directors want it, really.
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Common sense dictate that it would apply to those processes as well. Just in case though, I am leaving notices at the FL directors' talk pages.
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Seems a bit odd that FAs, which can take months of work, are only 20 points higher than GAs, which often take an hour of work. Just my $ 0.02. –
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Doesn't look like it's always used that way, though, Durova just posted a comment there; apparently she didn't know it was an archive, either.
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of them myself. Now Sandy and I share the job, although in practice that means she does almost all of them :) (So everyone give her a big hug)
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Pool J just became the first with four individuals to cross the 100-point barrier. Why, oh why was I cursed with such competitive poolmates?
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Thank Raul. If you want, you can add your name to the waiting list (see the bar at the top of the page) and participate if a spot opens up.
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time ahead at the beginning, then Catalan got like 100, and then Gary got like a 100 too. I hope they go on vacation so I can catch up. ;P
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and my edits were not tied with both accounts, so all my new edits I have done with Truco are not being counted, can this be changed?--
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To be honest, Moni has a point. I'm predominately a television episode FA writer. And it does sadden me when I see small articles like
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On my submissions page, I have a DYK, but the bot isn't noticing it. Can someone fix this, and update the newsletter to reflect so?
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And not all articles require PR. Extremely experienced users such as JonCatalan can easily handle minor issues brought up at FAC. –
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I think the setup is good, as far as the two of you go. I think the standard deviation of each pool should be as low as possible.
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I was thinking the same thing earlier this morning. Pool J is really tight and competitive. But there's still plenty of time.
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We are - steps have been taken in the (eversoslightly more important) area of FAC to avoid canvassing, see above threads.
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Alright then. Only my opinion though - others (namely those in your pool :P ) will likely disagree with me... :P
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Anyway, THO will be our newest judge, and will be open to questions as soon as we fill him in tomorrow! Regards,
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Theoretically those are the same articles you got to GA meaning that you earn GA + FA points, 80 if I remember.
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OK so my most realistic attainable target now is to come last in pool J whilst oustscoring the whole of Pool D
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There appears to be a problem with Durova's score. All of a sudden she has 180 mainspace points, but 0 total.
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You should only add it when it's on the main page, in my opinion. Also, I assume expansions are also counted.
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so none of our alt accounts qualify for mainspace edits - but you can submit GAs etc and that still counts.
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I hardly use GA to get to FA. Maybe straight-to-FA should get 80, and GA-to-FA gets 50 (and GA remains 30)?
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would be happy if I helped make Pool J the top scoring pool - can we add scores by pool to the newsletter?
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Are you sure? I thought the bot just checks if the item is on the submissions page, and goes no further.
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I have a FP too, I just haven't gotten around to putting it wherever it is I'm supposed to for the bot.
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stuff saving up for a few weeks (though I nearly always put aside £4 per month for DWM). And this is a
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I have an idea that may please everyone. I need to wait for Garden and Thehelpfulone to get on IRC.
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Or one out in week three, one out in week six and the final two until week eight could work... --➨♀♂
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Garden and I are two editors. We hardly agree on anything, so we really needed a third opinion. :)
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Aha Useight, wanna collaborate on a GA or two? That should get us clear of the opposition. Cheers,
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Are edits from other tools counted? How come not AWB? Where are you getting those rules from?
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First thing that comes to mind is whether the tallying bot could handle something like that.
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It is working now. btw just noticed that it pushed down my mainspace count from 71 to 70. --
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How would you clean the dirt off that image of the American soldier in the church, in Italy?
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I'm in the 50+ mainspace group now! I wonder what the minor edits only sub total would be?
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I notice I'm the only one with 50+ total points without anything besides mainspace points.
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Isn't the last one cumulative, so that the points don't reset when people are eliminated?
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They are not two talk pages. The User talk:Garden/WikiCup/2009 is this page's archive.
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No Twinkle, no Huggle and no AWB. About three days in, the rules were changed slightly
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Even if you can't, the three of you have created some serious separation in the pool.
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equivalent in points to an FA and 14 would have been more than that in one go... --➨♀♂
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Hey Useight! Check out Mathewedwards talk page - we're all toast now, he's da man.
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with 1,600 neglected Cambodian articles on my watchlist - 700 edits is no problem!
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I vote that Raul should be banned from this becuase he can promote FA's himself.
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And then it goes back to the beginning and the person with the lowest points -
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Hell, or that matter, I'm the main person working on sounds just now. I supply
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annoying american idol theme in the background* So, who's going to be Simon? --
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Looks like it may have been undealt with, as her total is still zero for me.
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It must be successful and on the main page. 5X expainsions are also counted.
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Just stay up all night one night editing and you can start closing the gap.
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I've moved the former to an archive page and the link redirects here now.
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thing you are interested in is military equipment? JulianColton, have you
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I assume they are playing around with making only her FPs 15 points each?
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the hang of it, but the barrier to entry is fairly high at the beginning.
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If anyone wants, I have some Doré stuff that only needs a little cleanup.
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Yeah, and the bot updated the scores right after (or maybe as) I posted.
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That will change shortly. I will be pulling my weight in my section. : )
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Moni, I have worked in the area of the Battle of the Bulge. Please see
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Can't promote FAs? Huh? Where did you get that idea? I used to promote
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Hey, I never said the rules should be changed, I was just complaining!
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I spent over £100 acquiring the original material I've been using for
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Hi everyone! It's my pleasure to inform you that we have a new judge,
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A cursory note to say it's been resolved. Drama over very little.
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Does this include Featured Lists, Pictures, Sounds, etc. as well?
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I'd participate, if only because it spurs me on to improve content.
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Well, you all suck. (That's me being Simon, by the way.) :D
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That sounds good - although I expect it won't affect me. --➨♀♂
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to help get me get clear of the ravening wolfpack in Pool J!
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Restoration is more difficult than I thought. :p I'm wary.
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Yea Maybe.. I try to 'save' some articles at the AFD :) --
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with fresh sounds every update, and have agreed to help
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Me too. 239 is simply is not enough to satisfy me. --➨♀♂
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that was going to complicate things too much for the Bot
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OY! Cup officials, two volunteers to swap over here! :)
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I told you that taking the last cookie was a bad idea.
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keep an eye out for problems of the sort NE2 fears.
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Meteorological history of Tropical Storm Allison
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