358:(Sept. 2006) where he digs deeper into the prehistory of Knowledge than anything I've read. That's good, but is it good history? It documents some facts, but does it explain anything? After the fact (Knowledge is now a big success), it goes back and tracks where this success came from. It's more like a king hiring somebody to write a chronicle rather than independent history research. It's like searching for the lost key under the streetlight, rather than going back to the dark place where the key was probably lost. We've seen it before. In writing the history of the Internet, people interview Vint Cerf, and we learn everything about how ARPA funded research into packet switching. But the success of the Internet and Knowledge comes from the large number of users, and very few of them were packet switching researchers or philosophy mailing list moderators. Many of them were early users of timesharing mainframes and personal computers, who moved in groups to newer systems. There's a different history, the history of the digital communities, that still waits to be written. For the time being, we just have the chronicles of the current kings.
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encyclopedia if they also included historical background on the terms. For instance, "closeted" might include information on Oscar Wilde or other notable figures whose lives changed significantly (for the better or worse) once they admitted homosexuality; "Mu" might include information on the discovery of its significance scientifically, at least in physics and probably in many other areas I'm unfamiliar with. Unfortunately I don't know the backgrounds of many of them, and so haven't supplied them, but that doesn't mean that the entries are useless, by any means. It simply means that
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vandalism got out of hand, and I decided to close the site to editing on April 15, 2004. At the time it had 55,000 articles, while the
Swedish Knowledge had 23,000. One year later the numbers were 57,000 and 70,000, respectively. According to Alexa.com, susning.nu was once Sweden's 94th most visited website with a global ranking of 16,000. The success of susning.nu can be attributed to liberal policies (it is not strictly an encyclopedia) and excellent software performance in times when Knowledge was very slow.
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381:) or geographical gazetteer could be used as a list of wanted articles for Knowledge. Even though Knowledge now has an impressive 680K English and 270K German articles, any such list would consist of far more red links than blue ones. Many of the names would never deserve encyclopedic articles of their own, or would they? Does IMDb require a minimum level of fame before an actor can be listed? How long can the "long tail" be?
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been taken into account already), and the cases that require disambiguation aren't worse than any other words, terms or names. I also strongly disagree about removing the names after the numerals, which would be in complete disrespect of all established practices. I have changed all occurances of Gustaf II Adolf (the
Swedish spelling) to
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the only way to find anything in them, unless someone compiles a keyword index or makes the text full text searchable. Online knowledge banks should be able to combine the features of an encyclopedia with those of a timeline. But how? Knowledge has taken a path of making each year and date-of-year into a link, e.g.
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As I've said elsewhere, the use of
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a few things more, which makes it different from the
Swedish Knowledge. Actually, the only difference is that it doesn't pretend to be an encyclopedia, because I still cannot understand why distinguishing between encyclopedias and dictionaries should be useful in the 21st century. Those who want to
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you sure have a lot of ideas. I disagree with putting "of Sweden" after everything, because this would be just like a hierarchical structure of subpages. In most cases the numerals do make the names internationally unique (royals and nobilty have been moving around Europe for centuries, so this has
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I want to explore the time dimension. Traditional encyclopedias don't have one. They pretend to be published momentarily, and to contain the eternal truth, which is of course not the case. On the other hand, newspapers, magazines, journals and historic "timelines" do have a time dimension, which is
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while, but not mine. Where do you draw the line? You could go on an add "Oscar I who is a guy and was king of Sweden which is a country in Europe which is a continent in the northern hemisphere" for all that I care. If I'm going to write a page on the history of the
Swedish parliament in the 19th
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Yes, please don't take it personally; I don't think anyone would like to see you go. It's just that the vision of what
Knowledge is to be isn't the same for each person. I think that many of the articles which have been started (e.g. the ones on closeted, Mu, etc.) would be perfectly fine for an
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Everything went fine for a few years, and susning.nu was the world's 3rd biggest wiki for some time. In
November 2002 about half of its contributors left for the Swedish Knowledge, which then got a fast start, but this didn't slow susning.nu down. However, in the spring of 2004 various forms of
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I just googled a bit. The only human "Oscar I" on the first several pages was indeed the one we're talking about. However, "Oscar I" is also a class of Soviet/Russian submarines--the Kursk was an Oscar I--and the name of an
American satellite launched in 1961. Either of these might well be the
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The
Russian Knowledge at 283,000 articles grows bigger than the Swedish one, which thus loses its position as the 10th biggest language. This comes the day after Russia wins the ice hockey world championships. In the 11 days from May 16th to 26th, some 199 new articles pertaining to Sweden are
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There's a problem with this--I go to "most wanted" and find long lists of random years, linked to by other years that have little or no real content. I also get them a lot when I ask for a random page. I'm not opposed to the time approach to encyclopedizing, or I wouldn't be working on the
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Hi LA2, concerning your question "Zunftzwang and Jews", I searched on different channels, but I didn't found anything really relating to your question, as you might have read by my reply on the discussion-side. But may be, you will find something on this homepage, that I discovered today:
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Hi, LA2, nice work on Sweden - but can we please standardise these names? First, please add "of Sweden" to royal article titles - many names and numerals can be duplicated among different countries. Also, though, it's normal encyclopedia practice (I'm not including
Knowledge here - we
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Hi Lars -- I don't think there is another Oscar I, but we are trying to standardize nomenclature, so 'of Sweden' is appropriate. Please let us know if you disagree -- there have been several discussions -- mostly on history sandards and my page. Feel free to weigh in! Thanks --
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enough with some names. How many Henrys are there? Alexanders, both papal and royal (this is what led to the current papal nomenclature despite the fact that many papal names are not in use by non-popes). I'm all in favor of more explicit if slightly fuller nomenclature.
700:(yes, feel free to use that information in Knowledge). But it is also possible that the entire Year in Review system is wrong. Maybe it doesn't scale. Maybe it could be done all different. But how? And where are the limits? I don't think we can know before we tried it. --LA2
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Many new subprojects close to Knowledge (belonging to the Wikimedia Foundation or not) are going in the direction of structured data as opposed to the flat namespace and unstructured wikitext of the original Knowledge. The German Knowledge introduced a template
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I'm back in Knowledge, observing, providing comments, sometimes contributing, but not very actively. I'm a member of the wikipedia-l and intlwiki-l mailing lists. My own Swedish Wiki has 3000+ entries, which makes it 50% bigger than the German Knowledge.
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certainly has strong ideas about how to design the Ultimate Wiktionary, based on the not-yet-existant Wikidata software. Could Wikidata also be the platform for lists of not yet biographed personal names and not yet described geographical place names?
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In the summer of 2004 at the Wizards of OS conference in Berlin, I first met Jimbo Wales, Sunir Shah and some leading German wikipedians, and saw the founding of the German chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. In 2005, following the first Wikimania, I
320:. It might seem odd that I return to this diary after exactly six years and once again to write about Russia. In between, I have been more active on Swedish Knowledge (2007–2010), Wikisource, Wiktionary (2011), and Project Runeberg (2012–2013).
288:*) Swedes are conflict-avoiding, which is easily explained by natural selection. When two prehistoric Germans had an argument, the one of them who had the instinct to avoid conflict would move north. This is how Scandinavia was populated.
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is not to make a lasting and useful encyclopedia, because I think that requires a whole lot more organization than this, but I think that I can learn something from using and contributing to this collaboratively edited hypertext.
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Hi, LA2! You wrote: "a lasting and useful encyclopedia, because I think that requires a whole lot more organization than this." As an encyclopedia editor, I am now of the opinion that a lasting and useful encyclopedia must first
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French, Italian, Slovene etc. if we were to go by the language of their dominions). I hope we can all discuss these issues and come up with an agreed standard, because otherwise we're going to end up in an awful muddle. Cheers.
369:" for structured biographical metadata for the purpose of being harvested and used in a search function on the German Knowledge on DVD. Similarly, geographical coordinates from articles of the German Knowledge have been
719:- royal names are giving us fits - especially since a non-native speaker of English keeps adding genealogical information from such a variety of sources that one has no idea how the next name will be spelled! --
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Vicki, that's a valid point, but I hope it is a temporary state and that these 1000+ pages will soon be filled with useful information, both from "pages that link here" and from external sources such as my own
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A brave fighter can do with a short sword, for he is not afraid to go close to his enemy. The way to acquire knowledge is by close and intense study of the subject matter. My purpose with contributing to
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This is based on the assumption that history pages are good sources of time-bound information. An alternative way to find time-bound information is to do a search for specific years or month names.
420:. It is in German, English, French, Spanish and Italian. I would be lucky to register more coresponding articles in Swedish from you (although I do only know a few words in Swedish)! Good luck!
767:, since this latin name form seems to be the most used in English literature, but there is also an English form Gustav II Adolph, which is used by the Microsoft Encarta. -- February 10,2002.
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helps readers know what we're talking about. It puts the burden on entry-writers to use the full name and pipe it down to a shorter one , but that's worthwhile. The numbers don't help
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I like your additional comparative measurement pages, LA2, but 1e0 is a bit odd; wouldn't '1' be simpler; also redirects from things like "one cubic metre" would be handy. --
940:--and the best way to put it into existence if it's a wholly volunteer project is to get rid of the official organization wherever self-organization can do. Please see
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century, it should be obvious that Oscar I refers to the king of Sweden. In other pages, where this is not obvious, I can add "of Sweden" outside the brackets.--LA2
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Here's another request that you stay. If you want to write definition articles, do so. If others don't like them, they can add to them. It's as simple as that. --
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existence is a necessary but perhaps not sufficient requirement. But the only way we can find out is to create it. I agree on nupedia. --
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and are now available as a separate index file. If these examples are turned on their heads, a library authority file (
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Hi, LA2. I just munched on your Information Theory page. You might like to check to see if you agree. --
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