Talk:Sarnia - Knowledge

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years, it is MY article. I'm the one who took a poor page of about three paragraphs and spent what is probably more than 150 hours on it, all told, MYSELF. Then, you and the other guy come along and act like God's gift to WikiPedia. The other guy even commented, "How was this ever a Good Article?" Well, if that guy had BOTHERED to read the talk page and see the EXTENSIVE documentation of the GA Approval process, he'd have seen, "How this is a Good Article." You and he probably have dozens of articles you've created and maintained, so you think telling others what to do is your birthright. I say, "Hogwash." I'm trying to be civil here, Magnolia677, but you certainly make that difficult. Oh, and sarcasm is not uncivil. Still, to placate you and he so that you leave me and my article alone, I removed the citation from the lead. My blood pressure doesn't need uncivil condescension to drive it up. Good day.

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the theatre culture in Sarnia. Look, you can't have it both ways. You and some other guy objected to "graced the stage," so I said, OK, I'll change it. I changed it to be more sterile and happened to include the fact that Michael Learned earned four Emmys. Heaven forbid I commit the cardinal sin of BOOSTERISM! *GASP* It always amuses me that people can write all sorts of negative stuff about someplace in that place's article, and as long as they source it properly, no one EVER accuses them of anti-boosterism or being too negative. As soon as someone says something really NICE about a place, even with accurate sources, people like you come out of the woodwork shouting "puffery," "boosterism," and all sorts of other things similar. Your condescension is still showing. It's not becoming to you.

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group of volunteers has created Bluewater Borderfest, which is a MUCH smaller endeavor. I have plenty of links to the new festival. The Sarnia article still says that "Bayfest is planning for the future." I know this to be untrue, but I don't want to jeopardize the article's "Good" rating by posting something without a secondary source. Would a good compromise be something like "Bluewater Borderfest has taken over for Sarnia Bayfest for now and the foreseeable future?" You know, not mentioning the liquidation but still not giving false hope to the reader that Bayfest will be back as it used to be because it won't. Asking the hive mind.

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the prominence of each viewpoint and should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. In Sarnia's case, having an encyclopedia article on a city that is known nearly as much for it's refining and chemical industry or for having 40 per cent of Canada's petrochemical industry as it is for any thing else one should expect to see a bigger portion of the article devoted to that and it's effects on the population. And while your material is good and much needed, some of it feels biased toward rarely reported "cleanup" activities or doesn't paint the entire picture.

5711:"Guess the world-famous artists who have had exhibitions at the Judith-Norman Alix Gallery mean nothing" Actually yes, that does mean nothing in this context. It doesn't really matter where an International Symphony once performed, or a painting of Picasso once was loaned. Those are both completely trivial and should not be in the main article of *any* city. A major museum dedicated to Picasso, for sure, include that in the city page. Even the place Picasso painted sure, include that in the city page. But not a place that his paintings once visited, that is very much trivial. 903:

Observer filing stories on what he saw and experienced. He also was a member of the LSSAA Sr. Football team for NCIVS. He later went on to found a successful consulting company in Toronto (the "Acme Widget Company") after dropping out of Queen's University. Several years later, he returned to university and received both his BA and LLB in the same year. Since then he has been involved in the field of municipal law working on cutting edge files. Not as sexy as, say, Kim Mitchell or Platnium Blonde in terms of a whos who of Sarnia, but notable enough for this little burg.

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Knowledge is only about what can be proved through citation and not about truth. That's understandable. I might even call it reasonable. But, that doesn't change the fact that a weather record was set, and we cannot use the data because it's not "official." The point in Sarnia where the 38.77 C was registered was St. Alban's Park, not Chris Hadfield Airport. Oh, well. When I noticed the data wasn't 100-percent, I reverted my own edit so that it was still official. I brought this article up to GA status, and I don't want to lose that because of some technicality.

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would be instrumental in making the article GA instead of B. Also, Yankees76 helped very much in the early stages of Sarnia's article development. It's great to be a part of this team. I feel real pride in our accomplishments, and in the honour we did to Sarnia itself in presenting the best article we could. If you assign it GA status, I hope these team members will join me in the new quest to achieve FA status. If Sarnia winds up B instead, I hope the team continues to work and make it GA on the way to FA!

468: 5787:. There were no permanent Native settlements in the area of Sarnia when settlement of the area took place in the 1820s and 1830s. There were some travelling Chippewa groups that used the waterways. Regardless, the article for the city of Sarnia is not the place for five paragraphs covering the general affairs of the native population in Michigan and Ontario; it would be duplicated across hundreds of articles otherwise. Link to the Three Fires Confederacy page and improve upon that. - 412: 4759:, because the attitude of "There is no consensus, so my change will stay" is somewhat hostile. Everything should be cited, but since the lead is a summary of the article, any points made in it are repeated in the remainder of the article and are generally cited at that point. Medical articles and BLPs with controversial statements are generally the exception on this, but I started this discussion since we have opposite views, to encourage input from other editors. - 21: 5393:

don't seem to know what it was that Hadfield sang about on the ISS. He didn't sing songs about Sarnia. He recorded the first music video in space, David Bowie's "Space Oddity," which has more than 43 million views on YouTube. New York, Boston, Paris, and Berlin all have satellite photos on their pages. Some are even from the ISS. I suppose that we should remove those for being "primarily decorative," right? Quite frankly, I resent your stale condescension.

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make sections smaller (the Name section, specifically), and codifying the Economy and Infrastructure sections. I remembered you reverted one of my edits because I didn't need sub-sub-sections, and you were right. I combined the sections again under a main heading called "Economy and Infrastructure" with simple subheadings for "Retail and Hospitality," "Transportation," and "Health Care." Since you had pointed me in the direction of

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Magnolia erased the entire history of the First Nations and replaced that history with three or four sentences about a few French and English where there were 15,000 First Nations folks living there. It's akin to Land-O-Lakes butter changing its packaging so that the racist depiction of the First Nations woman was removed; their change was seen as, "Keep the land, get rid of the Indian." You're doing the same thing.

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the internet. If you did a google search for Kim Mitchell, you would get all sorts of hits. The guy has his own radio show! I'm a film editor myself and have had my name in the credits on almost every channel in Canada. Arguably, I'm as successful as Jonathon P. Arnold, but I don't belong on wikipedia. He is not notable and will not added as a famous person from Sarnia or any other community.--

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Canadarm while it was still flying. Additionally, the shot of Sarnia at night was coordinated by Hadfield using social media, which was a first for space flight. In fact, Hadfield's songs, short videos, and tweets live from the ISS made history. The photos aren't just "decorative." They are integral parts of Sarnia's history.

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in the "Development" section. A short section on the Valley with a general overview and it's associated effect on the residents of Sarnia over the years and it's current push towards lowering emissions etc. would be able to cover off much of what I posted above. Like you I would love to see this as a Featured Article. --

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U.S. standards. The editor's rationale was this: Latest revision as of 14:36, 28 April 2014 (edit) (undo) (thank) Jim Michael (talk | contribs) (Undid - this is a world encyclopedia. Whilst not as severely cold as many Canadian cities' winters, it is cold by world standards, with snow on the ground for weeks.)

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around "facts" irked me, however, since I've spent the better part of forty hours work on the article trying to meet GA guidelines (and hopefully FA beyond that). I think that dig was unnecessary. If you're from Sarnia yourself, as I am, then let's work together to make the article as good as it can be!

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in the International Symphony Orchestra, which is based in Sarnia and plays 12 concerts a season, six on each side of the border. It's been there since 1957. (Because of the puffery of Magnolia677's shirt, accusing me of impropriety with no basis whatsoever, I changed this to "used to play" because I

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Now, why on EARTH can't you reply this way every time? Why do you sound like Sam the Eagle from the Muppet Show all the time except this time, when you actually sound like you might *gasp* be cool? Haha. Oh, I know all about "Ownership of content" and how it's not "my article." I've got news for you,

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The photos are relevant, and you, Magnolia677, are, to put it bluntly, wrong. How could you POSSIBLY think that Sarnia's connection to space flight is imaginary? Chris Hadfield is FROM SARNIA. That's like saying Bonn has no connection to symphonic music even though Beethoven was from there. Also, you

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article and want it to be of the highest standard, I didn't like his insinuation. In any event, I shouldn't have taken it out on you and I erased my comment to you that might have been hasty and snide. I've taken a lot of your comments to heart and have revamped the article, moving things around to

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The "Name" section is important to the city because it's gone through several names, and I quoted passages from Selden's Mare Clausum to cite a good source showing definitive proof of the history of the name. Another reason the Name section is so long is that another editor suggested that I put the

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The Griffon entering into Lake Huron by passing Sarnia ushered in the "age of sail" on that lake. The date is significant. The current is also an important part of the history of Sarnia, not only because La Salle had to pull the ship up the current, but also because it affects Great Lakes shipping,

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No data on religion on the page, however. Just added language and ethnicity statistics with citation. Did not break down ethnicity greater than "visible minority" since there are twelve different categories listed, none with more than 800 members. Also, listed aboriginals on their own line because

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Well, the person who tagged this article as needing NPOV work didn't start this section as he or she was supposed to, so here we go. Living in Sarnia, I don't want the article to violate NPOV because I want the article to be of highest standard. Need help in reworking what's considered non-neutral.

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Not saying the whole article needs to be about Chemical Valley nor should we detail every spill or pollution event. However, neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to

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has added a photo and caption of a satellite photo of Sarnia. My concern is that the photo is of little relevance, and is primarily decorative. The image is 18 years old, so it is hardly as accurate as a Google satellite image (which is linked in the infobox). Adding historic artwork from notable

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I rewrote that sentences and rearranged the references referring to Chemical Valley as being responsible for Sarnia's high particulate pollution. The World Health Organization report makes no mention of Chemical Valley nor makes any comment on the sources of particulate pollution. The WHO report can

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in quotation marks. While I made mistakes in citing some references, I wasn't trying to gloss over anything or purposely present false information. I have corrected most of what you found and improved the article through those corrections, so, as I stated below, thank you for the help. The quotes

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Thank you so much, Chip, for recognizing all the work I put in on this article. In your recognition, however, do not forget Mattximus and Silverchemist. Although they and I had some squabbles, they, as they say, "kept me honest" and improved the article greatly. In fact, their knowledge and ideas

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In the opening paragraph, which should be a short summary of the article, there are such facts as Lasalle on 24 August 1679 “had horses pull his 45-ton Barque "Le Griffon" up the almost four knot current”. Is the weight of the ship really important to the summary of Sarnia as a city? Or the speed of

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I have read through the article and have noticed not all paragraphs are backed up by references. To achieve GA status they need to be. The article sill be placed on hold and I will re read it again to see if there are any other things that need to be rectified. To other editors - please feel free to

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The golden sprig of broom is a component taken from the crest of the former Town of Clearwater and recognizes the rural area which remains an important part of the new city. The blue line represents the St. Clair River while the black and white tip, at the bottom of the crest, represents the railway

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Well, Yankees76, feel free to add the articles and citations. I'm going to continue working on it, too. I'm a born New Yorker, but I live in Sarnia now after marrying a Canadian in 1996...so I sorta think of this as "my" article now...heh...I want it to be A-Rated eventually, though. I don't want

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There's absolutely no mention of any enviromental issues in Sarnia. Take a look at the picture on the article page; that is Chemical Valley in the back ground. The entire place smells like chemicals. There have been chemical spills in the St. Clair river. Interestingly, I didn't realise that the

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I've read all of your appeals on whether this name is noteworthy here, in the Tony Fox talk page and in a Labrador article as well. It sounds like you are Jonathan P. Arnold or know him personally. The problem with this that only you know these facts about him. There's no articles on him anywhere on

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You may also want to keep this name up under the "People from Sarnia" section. He was only in Sarnia for his high school years, but among other things, was one of the few chosen to represent Sarnia at the World Scout Jamboree in Australia in 1987. While there, he wrote as a journalist for the Sarnia

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So, I guess the world-famous artists who have had exhibitions at the Judith-Norman Alix Gallery mean nothing? Or the world-famous performers with the International Symphony Orchestra the same? Or the jazz musicians? Or the major rock and country artists that came to Bayfest? Or the artists who come

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Thanks for being a good sport and reverting your edit. You know, my mother used to say "just follow your dreams"! The problem is, half the time I can't remember my dreams when I wake up, and sometimes—in the middle of a dream—I find myself saying "hey dream, where are you going?" I mean, how can

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This is a case of truth vs. "the record." The actual high temperature in Sarnia that day was 42 C (107.6 F). That was a shade temperature I measured myself. I know this to be true because I have photos of the external thermometer in my car that show it clearly. I know I can't use it on here because

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says that there is no prohibition; furthermore, unless there is a broad consensus to change something, it should stay the way it is. I also said that if a consensus agrees that there should be no citations at all in the lead , or minimized citations, or something else, I will go with the consensus.

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There is also a potentially contentious statement that "Sarnia has been in decline since the late 1960s as the population ages, younger people move out of the city to other areas, and the demand for petrochemical projects lessens". Such a statement needs to be supported by some good references. The

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I suppose so. As the reviewer I have the say of pass or fail but I want to make sure that Mattximus is OK with the improvements, and will make the status decision after they have replied to your long message. This is because if another editor feels there is a problem I must listen to them, not just

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article to see how they incorporated this data. For example, you wrote the average age was 42 years... well, is this high or low compared to Ontario/Canada? Some context is vastly better than the list currently on the page. Feel free to copy the structure/text of the Lethbridge (a featured article)

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I plan on adding material here and there, and yes your idea makes sense. We can subsection the Environment section further - break it down by Air Quality, Water Quality etc. I almost believe that a section that's simply called "Chemical Valley" could be warranted as the term is only brought up once

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by the by). Second, Sarnia occupies about 16 km of the over 350 km of waterfront on the waterway between Lake Huron and Lake Erie. I'm not saying there shouldn't be coverage of the First Nations that lived in and around Sarnia, but it should not be a complete rundown of the history of the Chippewa

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I also maintain that removing the First Nations history from the city's page is white supremacy. And, despite your protestations, it is not an "unfounded accusation." The current "early history" single paragraph could be removed from the article, and its absence would be of minimal effect. You and

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You think you're so high and mighty, but I shall share with you a saying my mother used: You still put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. Now, you are probably accusing me in your mind of being a "gatekeeper" of this article. Well, after the work I have put in over the last seven

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First of all, my reversion was reverted. I said to myself, fine, I will simply rewrite it. How, pray tell, is the fact that a renowned actress performed in Sarnia not relevant to the city's cultural significance? That such a small city could attract such a renowned actress speaks to the quality of

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Originally, I had couched the text of the climate paragraph to include the phrase "winters are cool." As shown by the climate data, the average temperature in January is 0 C (32 F). An author revised it to say cold. I reverted the edit because 0 C is not cold by Canadian standards, nor by northern

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talks about the number of smog days in Sarnia and references a government document. If one reads the detailed document, the number of smog days mentioned in the Knowledge article is for the whole province of Ontario, and Sarnia's smog days are the same as most of southern Ontario, apart from a few

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The lede says that "Chemical Valley is also the reason that the World Health Organization named Sarnia the most polluted city in Canada" and references a newspaper article in The Star (I just fixed that link and reference). The newspaper article makes no mention of Chemical Valley saying only that

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The article is looking really good and the improvements are excellent. I have an idea of what status I would like to give the article, but will leave any more ideas, until this time tomorrow, If I don't hear anything I will assume there is nothing that can be more improved and will act on anything

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Thanks, PKT. I'm just going to go take pictures myself. Of course, I can't take a picture of the Edmund Fitzgerald (which they made me remove even though I got permission from the copyright holder to use it). If they delete those, I don't know what I'm going to do. They tell me that to improve

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Removing the information about the First Nations in Sarnia and the surrounding area is the height of white supremacy when completely relevant information is reduced to a single paragraph without any context at all. I find it HIGHLY offensive that the material was removed given that members of the

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I would tend to agree politely that this factoid should not be in the lead of the article. Sarnia is not known as a cultural centre, or having a significant artistic presence. Any reader unfamiliar with the city reading the lead would get a very different impression than how it is. It remains, at

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I know the bookkeeper for Sarnia Bayfest personally. We were chatting about it two Sundays ago. They have turned in their charter and have liquidated all assets, and Sarnia Bayfest, as it existed before, is no more. Understandably, this most likely won't be published in the newspaper. A different

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I appreciate the relativity of the situation. The point is: Relative to the rest of the world, would an average temperature of 0 C be cold or cool? Obviously, to someone in Saharan Africa, 0 C will be extremely cold; however, to someone from Helsinki, it'd be positively balmy. I disagree with the

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as a model which, because of it's size, is the perfect comparison page. I also think you should stagger the photos a bit. I know I'm contradicting a previous editor, but I think as long as you don't sandwich text between two pictures, you can alternate left/right for a more aesthetically pleasing

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It would be appreciated if some reference to Sarnia Township as an administrative and geographical entity. I gather that at some time it was renamed the town of Clearwater, but I cannot find it on Knowledge--and only by inference elsewhere. Sarnia Township is on a map of 1951, and then -- what?

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Sorry, Floydian, but you are wrong. the Aamjiwnaang First Nation had a population of 15,000 in 1800, and it was located on the land upon which Sarnia sits. In fact, the Aamjiwnaang reserve is still in the city. Two treaties, Detroit in 1807 and Treaty 29 in 1827, ceded all of the lands to both

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snapped from the space shuttle, and the nighttime photo, which Chris Hadfield snapped while in command of the International Space Station, as irrelevant. They're relevant in that they show both Sarnia's and Canada's connection to space flight. After all, the Space Shuttle was equipped with the

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Removed photo of Chemical Valley per editor order. You know, it's VERY annoying to have EVERY FREAKIN' PHOTO I upload erased for some specious reason even though I give good reasons for fair-use. Of course, THEY don't consider them good reasons, but discussing it with them is useless so it's

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The section on Climate states that " Most of Sarnia's snowfall is lake-effect snow" and references a newspaper article about one storm in particular (which, by the way, left very little snow in Sarnia), but says nothing about most of Sarnia's snow coming from lake effects. It may be true that

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I'm quite sorry if I got bent out of shape when I read your comments. I was still smarting from Silverchemist's thinly veiled attack on my credibility by saying he had problems with my supposed "facts." The quotes around facts REALLY irked me. Since I've spent nearly 45 hours total on the

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While I agree that the Environmental issues are important, they should not be the main focus of the article. Each section of the article should be equally important. Listing every single chemical spill/pollution event seems to overstate the case. Perhaps a more detailed article about such

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Michigan and the British Colonial Government. I consider 15,000 to be a significant presence given that Sarnia today only has about four times that number of people in it. From 1827 on, the First Nations population lived on the four reserves created for them, two on either side of the river.

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It was Brianboulton who suggested "overwhelmingly" as part of the Featured Article review process that I abandoned because I didn't have time to do it by myself. In fact, "overwhelmingly" was chosen INSTEAD of "predominantly." Therefore, I reject "predominantly." I DO, however, concede that

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is taking this far too personally. I can appreciate his/her passion for Knowledge and thinking about an article in a possessive sense (I have fallen into that trap myself at times), but I do object to my comments (see below), being characterized as a "thinly veiled attack" on The Kurgan's

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By Magnolia677's rationale, we should also remove the satellite image of Paris from the Paris Knowledge page because it's not current. Having been taken by an unmanned satellite, it is also impersonal whereas the Sarnia photos were snapped by a favorite son who became a famous astronaut.

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Sorry about the refs. I usually make sure I get them all. I miss a few occasionally. Also, I don't know how to "Ibid" refs when they are multiples of each other. Could you please run the Refs bot over the article to make sure the refs are all correct/Ibidded correctly?

3979:. What I objected to was the ""'s around facts, like "facts." Had you just said you had a problem with the facts, without the ""'s, I would not have felt insulted. Done and over with. I apologized to Mattximus and now I'll apologize to you. Let's move on and make the 3513:“A year previous to the adoption of the name Port Sarnia, the village was composed of 44 taxpayers, 9 frame houses, 4 log houses, 2 brick dwellings, 2 taverns and 3 stores.” What year was the name adopted? Is it important to know the number of frame houses vs log houses? 4672:

An editor removed the Fries Under the Bridge entry that I had made, stating that mentioning the fry establishment by name was advertising. I agreed with that, so I removed the specific reference to the fry establishment and simply made the entry generic..."popular fry

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The more searching on Google I do on the subject, the more Globe and Mail and other newspaper articles I find. Perhaps "Environment" isn't the section where all of this material fits either - however as noted before we're not making a tourist guide - not everything is

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Been away from Knowledge for a while... can't tell why this list is displaying improperly (ie: half of the list shows under "References") Anyone know how to fix it? Darren: Option C might be to segregate the list into categories: Arts, Sports, Politics... etc ??

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The current lead is bloated with unnecessary citations for information that is repeated in the body of the article. As is the general convention, the sources should not be placed in the lead, as that is not appropriate for a summary of the article to follow. -

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Well, ain't that a pip. The Weather Underground page didn't update one of the frames when I reloaded it! Grrrr. One frame said it was 100 F, and the byline said it was 98 F. Because it's impossible to know which one is right, there's no point in updating the

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No comment on whether to split the list out or not, but the reason the list was partially displaying under the references heading was that somebody had misplaced the ref tags for Alexander Mackenzie's gravesite location; the entire list after Mackenzie was

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for articles alone, if it's in the lead, there should be more information later on in the article. I suggest working on a paragraph on the talk page to avoid edit wars with local residents who may take offense to what is written. Anyone want to lead this?

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Thanks for the help, Silverchemist. I want the Sarnia article to be GA and then FA so I need all the help I can get to make sure the information is correct in the article! Anything you find that you can make better, please feel free! As they say, be

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however. It IS my article. I put in all the hours. I appreciate all of the help I've gotten, both during and since the GA process, but at the end of the day, I'm the one who did all the heavy lifting. I know what the policy is, and the policy is wrong.

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I'm still waiting for some reviews as previously said so sorry for the delay in deciding the articles status. IF I don't get anymore during this or start of next week, I think that the article may have to be rated as B-Class, but let's wait and

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For now, I'm not going to belabor the point further here. There's no point in doing so. You two are clearly wrong and won't admit it. Therefore, I am going to keep the text of what should be in the article because I wrote it. I bid you, "Good

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There are multiple David Greene (director). The one referenced must not have been the English guy, rather the guy born in Sarnia 18 July 1968. I'm working on getting a citation other than iMDB for it (since iMDB is not considered a valid

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I was one of the reviewers of the original promotion, and while Sarnia is indeed "overwhelmingly white", I do agree that it is not the most encyclopedic word choice. "Primarily" works better, but I can see "predominately" working as well.

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to bias it. As a suggestion, though, if we put all the bad stuff first under "Environment" and the cleanup stuff later, not only will that fulfill both sides of POV it will also showcase how Sarnia has reacted to the dangers. Make sense?

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There's also the widely quoted Ecojustice Canada report that showed the 62 large industrial facilities located within 25 km of Sarnia emitted more than 131,000 tonnes of air pollution in 2005, a toxic load of more than 1,800 kilograms per

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That Knowledge article has a picture labeled "Aajimwnaang Resource Centre adjoining Chemical Valley, specifically TransAlta (formerly Dow)]]". The chemical plant shown is Lanxess, formerly Nova. It is NOT TransAlta and never was Dow.

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The national colours of red and white are represented. The ship in the upper left hand corner depicts the historical significance of shipping to Sarnia as well as the current traffic and recreational boating for which Sarnia is well

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says "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material."

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The complex of refining and chemical companies located downriver of downtown Sarnia once adorned the back of the Canadian ten-dollar bill and are the reason that the World Health Organization named Sarnia the most polluted city in

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I feel that this article should now be promoted from C-class to B-Class. I have not had time for a formal review, but I summarized my concerns above. The decision (and other recommendations) are, of course, up to the reviewer.

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This is hard. I agree with TheKurgan but agreed with what Mattximus has said. It would be really appreciated if some other editors can comment here and the on hold will be extended until another editor has shared their views.

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Removed superfluous line about the Canadian Red Cross in the Transportation Section. Provided citation about Sarnians travelling the world helping other countries to drill for oil. Added general citations to the government

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Wanted to include coat of arms of Sarnia, Ontario as well as description. Included is the aforementioned heritage of the name, which Sarnia derives, which then can be directed to the appropriate page on the Isle of Guernsey.

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Point taken, Mattximus. When I breathe a little, I will help you get Sudbury to GA status. Lethbridge is a great article, and I will look at it for inspiration on my quest to get Sarnia to FA. Thanks again for all your

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No need to guess. "View history" will tell you what edits were made, when, and by whom (by that I mean; by which editor, or an IP address). There's a complete history of what the article has looked like over the years.

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three tribes that formed the Three Fires Confederacy STILL LIVE IN SARNIA on their reserves. And, to be perfectly blunt, people who don't know these things shouldn't edit these things about which they do not know. End of.

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This issue is done and dusted again. Magog the Ogre uploaded a free satellite image of Sarnia. While this one is stale because it's impersonal, I thank Magog the Ogre for doing so if only to stop the arguing. Cheers to

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I looked too, I think you should just leave it as is, but it's up to the reviewer to see if this is critical for GA. I think removing it would decrease the quality of the article so eventually sources need to be found.

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report referenced in the following sentence says nothing about Sarnia being in decline nor about demand for petrochemicals decreasing. It does project a population decline over the next decades as the population ages.

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article where he and another user, who were both residents of that city, tried in vain to keep that city's dubious title of "Canada's fattest city" from being added to Knowledge a few years back despite overwhelming

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All reviewer comments processed, updates done, citations added...with the exception noted above about the Historical Population and the fact that the Canada Census Bureau will charge me for the info! Am exhaling

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Another thing is that the first part if the media section is Unreferenced. Nothing majorly wrong but would be good to see a reference here. Also I'm very pleased with the amount of work that has gone in here!

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The plaza mentioned is just to the right of the Taco Bell when looking from the street, with the Adult Movie store being on the left, and the CIBC still further left. The quoted information is accurate.

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I think the article needs a serious copy-edit to achieve GA standards, though I don’t think it requires much more new information to be added. Apart from references (of which there are many instances).

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I would move the whole section on the name in the opening paragraph to the section called "name" and abridge so there is no repetition. Maybe leave a *very* short sentence in the intro paragraph on the

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In the absence of any general consensus, I concede the "cold" assessment even though it doesn't coincide with Canadian norms. Should there be consent on the side of "cool" later, I shall make the edit.

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I've made several changes to the article, moving the Infrastructure section to the Economy heading, and instead of listing specific stores in the retail section, made it generic. Is this acceptable?

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Some stuff seems to have been moved around to places where it made no sense. Now, maybe I did it by accident in editing the page, but who knows? In any event, moved stuff back to where it belongs.

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The following does not make sense: "He interviewed residents outside the local Taco Bell, The Plaza beside it, the Famous Players' Lambton 9 movie theater and at a gun show in nearby Point Edward."

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I am delighted to tell you I have passed the article early! Well done to everybody who has managed to help give it this status and thank you to editors eho have contributed on this page! --

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I would list bands from Sarnia and remove the list of bands who have played in Sarnia. Not really relevant to the main Sarnia page as it is already repeated on the "Sarnia Bayfest" page.

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This is maddening. I can get all the Census Information that I want from the Canada Census Bureau prior to 1991. At $ 8.50 per category. That's just not in the budget! What do we do?

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I'm not going to "vote" because I lived in southern Ontario until I was 20, so my bias is obvious; but I would like to hear from more UK editors as to the validity of the claims made by

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I also found two awesome pictures, but they're on the CBC website and are not public domain. They'll let us use them, but they'll charge us for them....*sigh* That's not in the budget.

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needs to be practiced here, which means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources.

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Finally dug through the archives and found citations for all of the Historical Population numbers except 1841, 1971, and 1981. Will keep looking. Finally got this done! WOO HOO!

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Thanks, PKT. I will continue to look for sources for what I want to include. I HAVE already found sources for what I've already included, though, and have cited those in the text.

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Maybe I'm being dense, here, Chip, but what more could I possibly do to make the article GA? I've done all the required changes, acceded to every recommendation except one (about

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It's been over two years since this has been brought up and only one single mention of Sarnia's notorious environmental issues? There was a diesel spill today that closed a street

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First off, I'll give you a chance to retract your accusations of white supremacist views against fellow editors, before I myself will "go to the Knowledge powers that be" (that's

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When I made the proposal the dab page only had Sarnia Ontario and Guernsey / its national anthem. At that point I felt a hatnote to Guernsey would do, but now it would be moving

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as it's Knowledge policy (as well as news organization's policy) to always include the province in Canadian place names (with few exceptions). Make Sarnia a redirect instead.

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The Plaza beside it, beside what Taco Bell? If so, if you are looking at the Taco Bell from the street to the left is a Bank (CBIC) and right is an Adult Movie store. FYI.

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If there is a new message posted on here, it is in my watch list so I can see when a new message has been posted. There is no need to make it 'stand out' as I am informed.--

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For example, I'm not sure that just using an article that talks about Sarnia having the dirtiest air in the province is telling the complete story, especially when another

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to Bluewater Borderfest? Hey, you know what? Why don't I make up something BAD about Sarnia? You know, just write it in without sourcing it? Bet no one would care! *smirk*

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Got a better list of Neighborhoods. These are according to Google Maps. Per the above entry, did not include Brights Grove, Point Edward, or the First Nation Territories.

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i am writing a paper on Sarnia for a university planning class and was wondering if anyone could direct me to a website or contact number for planning officials in Sarnia

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Because there is no broad consensus, the citations will stay in the lead. I feel it is neither bloated nor unnecessary, especially because FA reviewers have told me to

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which prompted me to visit this article, and yet there's only one sentence devoted to the pollution issues of the city and St. Clair County in the entire article:

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here in Sarnia today and snap a picture of the plaque for use in the article. As I said in my response to Mattximus, I feel the article is at least the equal of

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from the list today. He is clearly notable, but I couldn't find a Sarnia connection for him. I would support re-listing his name if a reference can be found.

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Here's a brief mention of Aamjiwnaang, the first nations reserve next to Sarnia that has been the foci of health problems related to Sarnia's industry.

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You may also want to include James Doohan in your list of people from Sarnia, tho he was not born in Sarnia, he was raised there and did attend school.

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peoples or the Three Fires Confederacy who travelled a massive range from Hudson's Bay to the Finger Lakes of New York to Lake Michigan and beyond. -

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Michael Learned and her four Emmys have no connection to this article, and this puffery should be removed. The input of others would be appreciated.

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A new online news outlet has beeen started. The Lambton Shield. www.lambtonshield.com Someone might want to consider adding it to the media section.

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Could not locate supporting references on the historical populations except the census links so I removed them pending finding additional citations.

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Finally found a couple of good references for including this Sarnia staple in the page as its own subheading. The article feels more complete now!

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The article is coming along nicely. You probably don't need the NPOV tag, as there doesn't seem to be any opinion-based disputes going on in it.

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This has come up before (although I can't find the discussion right now), and I agree with you. I have removed the phrase to which you referred.

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credibility. I insinuated nothing about TheKurgan's contributions...I made general comments about the article, as is the purpose of a Talk page.

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Sorry to read about your photo-related issues. The rules about them are so obscure, I walked away from all related discussions some time ago.

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Want to add a citation about the famous "Fries Under the Bridge" for which Sarnia is known in Southwestern Ontario. I found the following link

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I would remove the list of radio/television stations that do *not* originate from Sarnia. The media section would no longer need subdivisions.

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i would like to open discussion on removing this, i have lived in Sarnia all my life and never heard anyone ever call it the Sarnia bridge.

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which is cold. By the way the average January temperature is −4.8 °C (23.4 °F). It can be a problem throughout Canadian community articles.

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Rather than engage in a useless edit war, I put it to the Knowledge editing public at large. Is an average temperature of 0 C cold or cool?

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This is the English wikipedia, not the latin one. The place is a mid-sized city. A hatnote at the top to the disambiguation page for these

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artists is certainly beneficial, but just because a local boy flies over and takes a picture doesn't mean it is necessarily relevant, per

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I haven't looked over the entire article in such detail, but I will as time allows and will attempt to correct error and give references.

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Name material in its own section to keep the lead paragraph short. Before I expanded it, there were no citations and it was incomplete.

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All eight Councilors are from Sarnia. Four sit on City Council and four sit on City Council and the Council of the County of Lambton.

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Added the links and references you already made, Yankee76. I changed the title to Environmental Impact, as well. See ya around soon.

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In general, the 750 words for the “name” section is far too much (in my opinion) and is large enough to almost warrant its own page.

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I agree, it's a bit open to interpretation. Other choices are "predominantly"/"predominately" or "primarily" (according to Google:

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I just merged the parks and museum subsections together under attraction heading, but museum sentence still requires a ref or two.

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While I applaud the efforts to improve the articles on Sarnia, I have some issues with the "facts" and how they are referenced.

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article that reports how the WHO has stated that Sarnia has the highest amount of particulate matter per cubic metre of air

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Absolutely. No mention of the Chemical Valley health concerns what-so-ever. This is a Knowledge page, not a tourist board.

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This page has been getting a lot of vandalism lately. Is there any way we can try to protect it from unregistered users?

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I will read thoroughly through your concerns in due course. I have left some opinions under the ones that I have read.--

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The paragraph rework puts the sentence into context. It is a direct quote from the source, so I was loath to change it.

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Not yet done. Worn out now (put in three hours straight, eyes losing focus). Please feel free to do these edits, too!

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I think I have all paragraphs with citations, both external and through internal linking. Let me know if I missed any.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Worn out right now. Will attend later. If you would like, please feel free to do the edits Mattximus or Chip123456.

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Sorry, Chip. This page is becoming cluttered and I wanted it to stand out to be easily read. I meant nothing else.

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Primarily, there are many sections that have too much trivia. For example (just from a quick scan of the article):

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I've also made some of the changes Mattximus has suggested. After reflection, I thought he had some valid points.

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pollution events, separate from the main article, would make sense. We could then link the new article from the

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I saw this kid Keenan vandalized on here...He's my cousin oddly enough so I'll have to talk with him about this.

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am currently on a leave of absence from the orchestra, which is now likely also defunct because of the pandemic)

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Removed an incomplete list of Neighborhoods. Will collect a more comprehensive list and post at a later date.

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Note, that my comment was not addressed toy you or anyone in particular, you've all done a fantastic job. --

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Are there other musicians from Sarnia? Might be worth a sentence or two under the arts and culture heading.

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I never asked that you put a Wal-Mart, when I said expansion of shopping I didn't mean every single shop.--

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from his primary entry on the list — somebody merged the two but screwed up the ref tags in the process.

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TheKurgan another thing look at the last paragraph in modern history! See the problem with the ref????--

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should occupy Sarnia, perhaps with a hatnote to the island (which should discuss its national anthem).

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Anon addition that was put in the article about 20 minutes before you posted this. I've reverted it.

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you follow your dreams if you don't know where they're going? Anyway, please take a moment to read

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Yes, thank you to all who helped, especially Mattximus, Silverchemist, and Moxy. FA now or bust!!!

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line through Sarnia and the St. Clair Railway Tunnel which joins Sarnia with Port Huron, Michigan."

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Added citation showing Sarnia's infamous status as primary Anti-Energy Target of the Soviet Union.

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Why should anyone looking up information on Sarnia care who manages the Golf & Curling Club?

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Have not had time to flesh this out yet. Will do so and add it to the Infrastructure section.

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Who or what is Jen Bida and why is it important enough to be mentioned so high in the article?

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The grocery stores are part of the infrastructure. The GA reviewer asked me to include them.

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There is enough content to merit GA class, but the writing style has serious deficiencies.

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I removed all mention of various stores by name and made that part of the article generic.

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That wording seems.... odd to me. I don't see what's so overwhelming about white people.

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assessment of 0 C being cold, but, as stated, seek to avoid an edit war with Jim Michael.

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Congrats, I'll try to help you to FA if time permits (I'm also on a similar quest to get

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I think on expansion on the museum section would be useful and a reference to go with it.

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with local residents and numerous other problems (air quality etc.). Just based on the

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I removed it from the lead and reduced the amount of detail in the Culture section.

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How is that hostile? It seems reasonable to me. Let's just wait for the consensus.

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I got all excited! But then I looked at 1921 and Sarnia wasn't listed! GRRRRR...

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comment to share your views on the article. the article will be placed ON HOLD.--

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Sarnia has a very active Computer Users' Group (SCUG) with more than 100 members.

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The Sarnia Golf & Curling Country Club is currently managed by Don Summerton.

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When you say "the surrounding area", you are referring to the entire region of

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So please, feel free to respond with examples so we can revise them together.

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Paul Ysebaert is actually from Corunna, not Sarnia. I grew up with him there.

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Still says "Canatara is an Indian word that actually means Blue Water"....

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gets most of its snow that way, but anyone living in Sarnia or driving on

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in Sarnia which recorded the lowest rate of live male births in the world.

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clearly applies, and the current page can easily be moved to a DAB page.

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The County of Lambton Administration Building is located in Wyoming, ON.

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There are also clarity issues combined with trivialities. For example:

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Any sources for the historical population numbers? See something like

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can attest that lake effect snow occurs considerably east of Sarnia.

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I'm not going to further revert you, but I am going to point you to

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Demographics still needs a bit of work. Please take a look at the

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simpler to just remove the photos and wait for them to be deleted.

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Whoops! I did it but didn't hit save. DUH! Now it's corrected!

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And I don’t think you need 3 separate measures of median income.

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Agree vastly improved - GA more then warranted at this point.

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article the GA article I know it is. Thank you for the help.

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Further expansion of topics per the request of the reviewer.

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least for now, primarily a petrochemical industrial centre.

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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The neighbhourhood section is just a list with no context.

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The section on environment, which is now its own article

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This fact seems to be an advertisement for the group.

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demographics section and just plug in Sarnia stuff.

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Sarnia is very often used, in English, for Guernsey

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