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422: 384:, designed to fire the regular French 75 mm ammunition. The French government had already made a commitment in May 1915 to purchase the Saint-Chamond 75mm gun. It is unclear whether the guns for the Saint-Chamond tanks were taken from existing stocks of Saint-Chamond guns or new production. Colonel Rimailho, who had a direct financial interest in selling his company's gun, induced the Ministry of War to specify that the new Saint-Chamond tank would also mount the Saint-Chamond made 75mm. In so doing Rimailho had also upstaged the Schneider CA1 tank which could only be fitted with a smaller Schneider-made fortress gun firing a 75 mm reduced charge ammunition. To accommodate a regular length and full size 75 mm field gun, a hull longer than on the Schneider tank was essential. The earliest Saint-Chamond prototype, a tracked vehicle longer and heavier than the Schneider tank was first demonstrated to the French military in April 1916. 508: 430:
his seat to the left. A loader (referred to in some sources as the gunner) adjusted the gun's elevation, observing the target through a small hatch in the front of the tank, which left him vulnerable to enemy fire. Traversing the 75 mm gun beyond the limits of traverse of the gun (6° for Mle 1897) required traversing the whole tank, and this was performed by the driver. A second fighting compartment at the back held one machine gunner next to the secondary driver's position, where the tank could also be driven backwards by the mechanic in an emergency. Between those two compartments stood in the open the gasoline engine and the electric generator. Narrow passageways on both sides of the engine connected the front and rear compartments. The passageways also held Hotchkiss positions, one on each side in front of the engine. Altogether, the Saint-Chamond had four
556: 340:, was given an order for 400 tanks by the French government, a political move prompted by General Mourret of the Army "Service Automobile". Saint-Chamond intended to build a tank that would be partly similar to the Schneider. Brillié refused to share his patents for free, and Saint-Chamond refused to pay. As a result, the "Forges et Acieries de la Marine et d'Homecourt" company, being unable to replicate certain patented details (notably the tail) of the new Schneider tank, developed its own proprietary design: the " 357: 1094: 406: 531:. It had survived, together with a Schneider CA1 tank of the same vintage, at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds Ordnance Museum in Maryland, US, and was donated by the U.S. to the French government in 1987. Between 2015 and 2017 it was restored to running condition and repainted in a World War I camouflage scheme, at a cost of €120,000. It took part in various displays throughout 2017 to mark the centenary of the first use of tanks by the French army. 462:
double slope so that satchel charges and grenades would slide off. Concurrently, the original two observation turrets in front and on top were done away with and replaced by a single low profile square turret permitting front and sides vision by the tank's driver/commander. With time, the tracks were also widened in two steps from 324 mm to 412 mm to lower their ground pressure. After Saint-Chamond tank No 210 the more effective
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display. There are unsubstantiated stories about Poland using the tank against the Red Army in 1920. If true, these specimens were in all probability not from the Soviet Army as the latter never had been supplied with them and the French Expeditionary Forces to Russia were only equipped with the Renault FT.
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guns at the time used the same method of traverse control. The whole gun carriage was moved from side to side pivoted on the end of the trail by a worm gear arrangement on the axle of the gun. This meant that the Saint-Chamond engineers had no option but to fit the whole gun into the fighting compartment.
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Within the forward fighting compartment and on the left was the driver, also the vehicle commander. On the right a machine gunner operated the front Hotchkiss machine gun. This machine gunner was also responsible for the breech operation of the 75 mm gun which he had to perform after pivoting on
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As a result of Rimailho's manipulations, the new tank had become a rather cumbersome and underpowered vehicle. It lacked a rotating turret, instead using a large overhanging front compartment housing the long 75 mm gun protruding from the nose. It should be pointed out that all French 75mm field
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Originally the crew of nine men was protected by 11 mm of steel armour on the sloping front and 17 mm on the sides. Later on, the addition of an extra layer of spaced 8.5 mm armour on the front improved protection. Beginning with the 151st vehicle, the roof was also redesigned with a
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Nobody wants to serve on the Saint-Chamond. Second Lieutenant de Gouyon, principal Saint-Chamond driving instructor at Marly, has publicly declared that it has become virtually impossible for him to continue to carry on and, since he is a Member of Parliament, that he will request to have the whole
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Initially, forty eight Saint-Chamond tanks were modified as supply and recovery vehicles that could tow the lighter Schneider tanks. Their first action as a fighting vehicle took place at Laffaux Mill on May 5, 1917. Sixteen Saint-Chamond tanks were engaged there, several of them getting stuck in
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Altogether 400 Saint-Chamond tanks were built, including 48 unarmed caisson tanks. The Saint-Chamond tanks remained engaged in various actions until October 1918, belatedly becoming more effective since combat had moved out of the trenches and onto open ground. Eventually, the Saint-Chamond tanks
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in service with the French railways. Furthermore, the freedom to design a heavier and larger tracked vehicle gave Saint-Chamond the opportunity to upstage the Schneider company. It did this by installing on its "Char Saint-Chamond" a more powerful, full size 75 mm field gun plus 4 Hotchkiss
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I am painfully surprised that an order has been launched of this importance without asking the opinion of the only officer who, at the time, had undertaken a profound study of the technical and military aspects involved and who had brought the supreme commander to the decision to take this path
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Despite weighing 23 tons, the tank could manage a top speed of 12 kilometres per hour (7.5 mph). This speed was seldom achieved in the field as the long nose was prone to digging into the ground. The relatively high maximum speed on flat ground was made possible by the "Crochat Colardeau"
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After the war 54 were rebuilt as ammunition carriers; the remainder were largely scrapped. However, at least one Saint-Chamond was retained as a memorial: there was one at the École des Chars at Versailles from 1919 to 1940 when the Germans presumably scrapped it along with the other tanks on
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Experiments on the Holt caterpillar tracks started in May 1915 at the Schneider plant with a 56 kW (75 hp) wheel-steered model and the 34 kW (45 hp) all-caterpillar Baby Holt, showing the superiority of the latter. On 16 June, new experiments followed in front of the
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four-cylinder 67 kW (90 hp) sleeve-valve gasoline engine to an electric generator capable of giving an output of 260 amperes under 200 volts. The generator was connected to two separate electric motors, one for each track, thus permitting perfect gradual steering of the tank.
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Due to its short tracks and over-extended body, the vehicle experienced major difficulties in crossing trenches and overcoming obstacles. This led to such negative reactions by the crews in training that a special mention was passed on to General Headquarters:
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was installed instead of Rimailho's (profitable) 75 mm Saint-Chamond gun. At about the same time barrel-like rollers were added underneath the front and rear of the tank to help crossing trenches. This improved version was later called, unofficially, the
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that were already used in France for towing heavy artillery. Private Pierre Lescure designed the fighting compartment. Lieutenant Fouché lengthened the tracks to improve trench-crossing ability. In this early form the prototype of the Schneider was called
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Saint-Chamond's technical director was Colonel Émile Rimailho, an artillery officer who had become dissatisfied over the insufficient reward he had received for helping design the famous
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Artillerie St-Chamond. Règlement de manoeuvre du matĂ©riel de campagne de 75 T.R. : 2e Ă©dition, comportant les modifications prescrites par les feuilles rectificatives N°s 1 et 2
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The last Saint-Chamond tank remaining in existence, an improved mid-1918 model, alongside other French tanks of World War I (Schneider CA1 and Renault FT), is preserved at the
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prototype. Instead he had invented a tail for his own tank's chassis thus providing the same trench crossing ability but for less overall weight and length.
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Pierre Touzin & François Vauvillers "Les Canons de la Victoire 1914-1918. Tome 1 L'Artillerie de Campagne" Histoire & Collections, Paris, 2009, p.47
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role. The Saint-Chamond's final engagement in battle, with initially 16 tanks, took place in early October 1918, in support of the U.S. First Division near
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trenches, but only three were destroyed in combat. During the rest of the war, twelve groups in total were formed with Saint-Chamond tanks :
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Alain Gougaud, "L'Aube de la gloire; Les automitrailleuses et les chars français pendant la Grande Guerre", 1987, OCEBUR (Guides Muller).
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2016 The Saint-Chamond tank is featured and playeable in a Battlefield 1 by DICE studios and EA games under the abreviation "St-Chamond"
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tank had taken over the major role in the French tank force and had also been purchased by the American Expeditionary Forces in France.
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In early 1916, the first prototype of the Schneider tank was assembled in an army workshop. It featured tracks from the American-made
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Nos. 31–42. In mid-1918, since combat had left the trenches for the open fields, it was used to engage German field gun batteries (
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Mathieu Detchessahar and Yannick Lemarchand, "Des Hommes et des Projects dans l'Urgence—La naissance du char d'assaut français,
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Mathieu Detchessahar and Yannick Lemarchand, "Des Hommes et des Projects dans l'Urgence—La naissance du char d'assaut français,
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tank, the Saint-Chamond was an underpowered and fundamentally inadequate design. Its principal weakness was its Holt
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chassis. This is especially obvious since the tracks are visibly different from the period-correct Saint-Chamond.
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Note résumant la question du matériel d'artillerie d'assaut, G.Q.G., 28 novembre 1916. SHAT, 16 N 2121
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was not yet applied to tanks. Eugène Brillié, the chief designer at Schneider, rejected this
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machine gun positions: one in the front, one in the back and one on each side of the tank.
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type. On his return Brillié, who had earlier been involved in designing armoured cars for
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8 (commander-driver, gunner-loader, assistant gunner, four machine gunners, mechanic)
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Lieutenant-colonel P.Malmassari, "Les chars de la Grande Guerre", 2009, 14–18.
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shows several Saint-Chamond tanks attacking a German trenchline. The film used
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While Brillié began to assemble this second prototype which was to become the
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showing the overhanging front hull and the later M.1897 75 mm field gun
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machine guns instead of the two machine guns present on the Schneider tank.
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Interior of the Saint-Chamond tank equipped with the Mle 1897 gun.
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Born of the commercial rivalry existing with the makers of the
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Lettre d'Estienne Ă  Joffre, 1er novembre 1916. SHAT, 16 N 2121
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Compagnie des forges et aciéries de la marine et d'Homécourt
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Index


Heavy Tank
France
Armor
75 mm gun
Hotchkiss
Panhard-Levassor
Crochat-Colardeau
tank
First World War
early tank development
Saint-Chamond
Compagnie des forges et aciéries de la marine et d'Homécourt
Schneider CA1
caterpillar tracks
75mm Mle 1897 field gun
British heavy tanks
Schneider
Eugène Brillié
Holt Company
England
Breton-Pretot
Spain
Baby Holt
President of the French Republic
Levavasseur tank project
Holt caterpillar tractors
Schneider CA1
Forges et Aciéries de la Marine et d'Homécourt
Saint-Chamond, Loire

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