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serve no use (for example it serves no use to ask Palestinians about Israel's right of existence or to ask Chinese about Tibet independence and so on, there are many national POVs out there) While assuming good faith in Knowledge is a good policy, assuming that national editors will excuse themselves automatically from debates where their POV would influence the result is ludicrous and will only encourage same national(ist) editors to watch over "their" national pages like eagles (again I don't accuse anybody of bad faith, the problem here is POV, national POV at that) I only hope that we can find some way of removing or reducing this kind of POV and have a procedure for deciding this kind of sensible national items, maybe in case of doubt by enforcing the standard used in the rest of the articles or having a more balanced straw-poll that involves more 3rd party nationals, that's all. Now, people will complain about national profiling, I think I made a clear case why the national POV can be a problem in Knowledge, I don't ask for excluding people based on their nationality, I ask for bringing more 3rd party people or using solutions from other articles, or finding different ways to decide content in the case there's suspicion that national POV plays an important role in the debate as it is pretty clear from the simple common sense analysis of the issue. If you can't make this kind of sweeping decision maybe you should decide in this specific naming matter and put it to sleep in a merciful manner, cause otherwise the edit wars and debates will continue endlessly.
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administrators' conducts regarding the issue - Húsönd's ethnic filling and ChrisO's unilateral move of the page - attracted me to take a look at the case. Some say ChrisO and Húsönd's conducts enforced "obvious is obvious, so let's endorse for them to fix it". I have to disagree with this view because of several reasons. First, the dispute in reality is not settled yet, so we have to respect the both side and reflect the current situation without any bias. Second, administrators are supposed to assist editors to resolve disputes, not to inflate them. However see what results have been generated by their conducts; flaring the flame. They mix administrator's roles with their editorial POV and emotions too much. The page move under the protection is not a fair play even considering the fact that he knew the Greek holidays. The pointy and unilateral action based on his firm belief that he is doing right is arguable enough. ChrisO argues that if any administrator move back the title, that would be "wheel war" which can be a ground for de-sysopping. I'm very concerned about his ethics and interpretation of our policies. I feel uneasy that many tend to blame the dispute all to Greek as calling ultra-nationalists. How so? Name accompanies identity matters, so we can not attribute this dispute to just one side. One thing to remind that not every state members of UN recognize Republic of Macedonia, and English is unarguably the current
2067:(now deleted) of the ethnicity of the straw poll participants. Consensus was easily formed at ANI that Greek users had their own walled garden and were creating an obstacle to Knowledge's natural consensus building process. Despite overall agreement, the poll ended, no admin ever closed it, no decision was ever made, and the heated discussion unsurprisingly died out. It is very frustrating to see core values of Knowledge be manipulated by one ethnic group, but even more frustrating to see everybody (expect that ethic group) acknowledge the manipulation and still do nothing about it. On top of that, those who point the obvious fact that the problem lies with one ethnic group still have to bear with the usual accusations of racism and censorship. And then they become "involved" and can take no unilateral actions such as... move an article. Thus, although I do not approve ChrisO's rush, I think that his action attempts to bring rightful attention to a problem that should earn far more disapproval. I am glad that this is finally back at the Arbcom and I do expect that at last we may have some results, and some peace. 5844:
would normally call for individual sanctions, their actions taken together have taken on a collectively disruptive form. The stance of these factions, as represented by a small number of core regular editors and a larger volatile group of occasional supporters, has had the collective effect of permanently blocking regular consensus-seeking mechanisms. Many of these editors have shown a willingness to use Knowledge as a mechanism to pursue their national political interests. The collective net effect of this is to create a bloc whose influence is at times disproportionate to its size and at times has the result of negating Knowledge policies. Knowledge's goal is to create a neutral and factual encyclopedia in a consensus-based environment. Methods used by these factions include: wikilawyering, overt appeals to political considerations, "refusal to get the point", hyperbole, filibustering, assumptions of bad faith, personal attacks, external lobbying, and edit warring. Several outside editors have over time turned away from the dispute exasperated by the immobility of these opinion blocs. Users turning away:
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a point John Carter made about trust. As John Carter so eloquently and diplomatically mentioned the actions of ChrisO damage the trust of established as well as newer editors. Administrators in Knowledge hold a very special place in the community. Their authority is maintained and respected when they excercise their power with measure and discipline and always upholding the policies of the community as well as the trust of the editors. Most admins do this job remarkably well and so even though Knowledge is not a democracy most editors feel as if they are on an equal editorial footing with the administrators because they trust that the administrators will follow due process at all times. In the few instances where administrators undertake to act in a heroic fashion and start using heroic terminology like cutting the Gordian knot, you know instinctively something went wrong. When administrators use their tools as super-powers then Knowledge becomes Smallville, Metropolis or Gotham city. Nice places all but they seem not very suitable models for encyclopedia building. To paraphrase
2461:(italics not mine). As I said before, I know Knowledge is not a democracy but I hope it will not soon become a banana republic either. There are many other issues remaining that I will not address in detail here, such as the use of nationality/ethnicity (or even suspected ethnicity) based statistics to cast a wide pall over a group of editors and other similar anti-intellectual tactics employed by certain admins and which I consider particularly harmful to the project, to logic and to any intellectual pursuit in general. In closing I urge Arbcom to address these points that I raised, as well as many other peripheral issues so capably enunciated by the other participants, for the good of this project. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Cacharoth for his helpful guidance regarding the background of this controversy and his comments concerning the Easter celebrations. 3423:(WP:DAB), is to resolve "conflicts in Knowledge article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article." For primary topics, "When there is a well-known primary topic for an ambiguous term, name or phrase ... then that term or phrase should either be used for the title of the article on that topic or redirect to that article." The guideline goes on to state: "If there is extended discussion about which article truly is the primary topic, that may be a sign that there is in fact no primary topic, and that the disambiguation page should be located at the plain title with no "(disambiguation)"." Disambiguation is not a means of promoting, endorsing or rejecting the point of view of any party or parties to a naming or other dispute. 2658:. Would like to suggest here that the opening of the case is delayed until 22nd April, for several reasons: (1) So ArbCom can finish off some other cases that need our attention; (2) To fit in with the original intention to file on 22nd April - mainly, as I understand it, to fit in with the dates of Orthodox Easter; (3) To give those involved time to gather their thoughts; (4) To enable discussion of the case name (request name conflicts with an article of that name), the case scope and who should be the named parties; (5) To enable people to read the megabytes of discussion that has taken place around this topic; (6) For arbitrators and the editors involved at this topic to read the following articles: 2063:: the timing of the move by ChrisO was inadequate. Furthermore, being ChrisO clearly involved in this dispute, he should have refrained from an unilateral move that was guaranteed to produce a very heated outcry. That said, I fully understand the frustration that led to such reaction. The naming issue of the Republic of Macedonia and its application on Knowledge has been a long-lasting dispute, as the Greek POV is fiercely defended by a large group of Greek users that effectively block any consensus from ever occurring. The recent straw poll clearly demonstrated this. Yet, outside attention was only drawn when the straw poll issue was brought to ANI by Greek users, irked by 1423:. I am not sure if my interpretation keeps pace with how ARBCOM itself regards its competence, but I personally tend to see it in the broadest possible sense, because it is a matter of policy application everywhere. If the Committee decides to deal with the naming dispute issue, then it should issue concrete guidelines about how the country should be referred not only in the "Greece" article but throughout the project. Eventually, these guidelines will decide the naming dispute itself. So, directly or indirectly, the ARBCOM will have to deal with the heart of the problem: the naming dispute (and I agree on that with Sept). At least, this is what I believe.-- 1908:)–1) Use the most common English name, and if that isn't available for some reason, 2) Use a self-identification. The policy specifically excludes political, moral, and legal arguments in deciding on a name, but the Greek editors continually cite 1) the political views of Macedonia and Greece, 2) the moral rights of Greece, and 3) the legal name imposed by international organizations as reasons for ignoring Knowledge naming policy. Consensus is impossible when you are talking to a wall. It is my sincere hope that this arbitration will result in a clear and unambiguous interpretation of Knowledge naming policy. ( 3523:("RfC/U") represents a forum in which editors may raise concerns about the conduct of a fellow editor or administrator. Although this procedure can be misused, when utilized in good faith, it presents an editor with the opportunity to learn that concerns exist about his or her conduct, respond to the concerns, and if appropriate adjust his or her conduct. Civility and decorum are especially important in the highly charged atmosphere of a user-conduct RfC. RfCs should not be used abusively, nor should the concerns raised in an RfC be ignored. 1937:
several comments from various parties indicating that it might be an attempt to basically game the system and take advantage of the fact that many or most of the editors from the Greek side would be celebrating the Orthodox Easter before they noticed the change had been made, thus in effect making it a stable page for several days before the Greek editors returned and noticed the move. Several editors have very clearly stated that these actions of ChrisO's undermine their trust in the fairness and effectiveness of the wikipedia.
1380:. I apologize for acting in the way I act before the 22 April, when the Greece article issue was planned to be brought here, but I strongly believe that any delay to bring User:ChrisO's move to your attention would entail irreversible damage to the project (collateral edit-warring already ensued, the title's name may affect many articles where uncontrolled edit-wars most probably will erupt, and a controversial adm action of major importance for many articles cannot remain "on the air" for so many days). Thank you.-- 2531:, I am never surprised when these areas of real world ethnic/political strife come here. As Fut Perf says, this is an area where wiki consensus building regularly fails and we as a community need to find better ways to work with this type of situation. The consensus model regularly fails here because each side, due to long term centuries-old strife in the area/topic, perceives the truth, as they see it, being twisted. Focus should be on admin behavior and conduct of all users, not what the titles should be. 2023:
policy and which we have never tried to impose to anyone. I would challenge anyone to find any of the "Greek nationalists" reverting any article where "Republic of Macedonia" was the established naming. On the contrary, the other side (which mainly comprises of two users who enjoy immunity, ChrisO and Future Perfect at Sunrise) has engaged in extensive edit wars, mass renames and intimidation tactics in order to push their POV and reverse the status quo. Again, diffs will be provided in detail.
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the normal channels (such as a Request for adminship) to regain them. Determining whether an administrator resigned under controversial circumstances is, in most cases, in the discretion of the bureaucrats. However, an administrator who requests desysopping while an arbitration case or a request for arbitration is pending against him or her will be deemed to have left under circumstances of controversy, unless the Arbitration Committee decides otherwise, for purposes of applying this rule.
1419:: I see here that there is a question about what we ask from the arbitrators. As I see things, there are two issues: 1) ChrisO's move which precipitated the filing, and 2) the underlying issue (naming dispute). I believe that both should be dealt by the Committee. As far as (1) is concerned, LessHeard vanU's perspective is interesting (but needs some development and clarifications). As far as (2) is concerned, I've exposed how I personally regard ArbCom's extent of competence 1468:
is occurring daily across Knowledge on this issue. The issue is far wider than just the article move; there will be no resolution of this matter without addressing the underlying policy problems. Note that this doesn't imply solving the naming issue itself - ultimately this dispute comes down to whether policies should in fact be followed (the answer to which should be obvious but is being clouded by wikilawyering and a simple refusal to discuss policy requirements). --
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start of any new "negotiation". The former, stable for so many years, status of the article was accepted by all parties and created no problems. The constitutional name of the country was used, respecting the self identification of the ethnic Macedonians and a disambiguation table was introduced respecting the Greek claims. This formula worked for so many years with minimal protest, so the situation had miraculously been resolved in a way only possible in Knowledge.
1494:, now defunct). The consensus-seeking mechanism has been tried repeatedly but as others have already noted, it has been stymied by an intransigent ethnic-nationalist block of editors. I should also add that a couple of Yannis's claims are misleading - there has been no "collateral edit-warring", merely an unrelated dispute over content in the ancient history section of the article, and I have already stated that I will voluntarily reverse the article move if its 6300:
uninvolved administrator, or group of administrators, including those who made the binding decision, may enforce the decision. Since consensus and policy can change, these binding decisions may be reviewed at appropriate times by that same administrator(s), or other uninvolved administrators. If the community is unable to find an administrator, or group of administrators, to address the situation, it may request that the Arbitration Committee appoint one.
63: 1671:. The traditional methods of counting reverts, uncivil remarks and questionable admin actions is not going produce any answer that meaningfully solves the real problem here; namely, that this article is under siege from a group of nationalists for whom no way save that endorsed by Greek foreign policy is acceptable. We need something new. More of the same will at best leave us where we are now, and at worst may bolster the nationalists. 4705:"...there is an overwhelming project-wide consensus of uninvolved users, versus an equally overwhelming consensus of a small local faction armed only with undefeatable tenacity. There is not the tiniest chance that one side will ever convince the other. So, the solution is not to have more talk. The solution, I'm very much afraid, is to fight it out, until one side wins. And that, unfortunately, will mean: until one side is banned." 1447:
spilled over onto Knowledge. Years of discussions between Wikipedians over what name to use for the country have been largely fruitless, with some Greek editors insisting on adopting the Greek government's preferred terminology across Knowledge or just within a "walled garden" of Greece-related articles. POV vandalism and disruption in support of the Greek position across the whole of Knowledge is endemic on this issue, as an
2489:, primarily to examine the use of administrative tools in this matter—I note that the article was, and remains, move-protected—but also to try and move the broader dispute towards resolution. Yannismarou, please add as parties (and provide appropriate notification to) the editors involved in the naming dispute, as well as any others who have expressed interest in participating in the case that was to be filed on the 22nd. 1642:, not the move at the other article, where I've had no involvement). Attempting to follow traditional methods of dispute resolution has led to roadblock because of a sizable nationalist faction that insists on using a name not used elsewhere in Knowledge. Where two separate consensuses, one consisting almost entirely of people with a vested interest in a certain nationality, the other consisting of more or less everyone 1590:
by gaining at least "no consensus" status in any vote-like procedure through sheer strength of numbers, and by derailing any discussion-based procedure through sheer tenacity of filibustering, until neutral editors are bored away. We need to figure out how to deal with polls dominated by national factions, and we need to figure out where the line is to be drawn between healthy debate and disruptive
1543:. Thus, this case filling has to me a distinct feeling of either scoring points against the opposite party or panic that the real case will be submitted soon and thus this was an attempt to preempt it from being filled (BTW, it was agreed that the case will be filled by a neutral party, this doesn't seem the case here either). Sorry for the meta-comment, but these things had to be mentioned. 3917:(Subsequent discussion about that summary: "The consensus was that there is no consensus, and that's what the body of the guideline text correctly describes. There is an agreement that status quo should remain stable; there most emphatically is no consensus that that status quo currently predominant in most Greece articles (using "fY...") should be mandated as obligatory for new content.") 3227:. In such circumstances, the 'involved' administrator should not take the action but should instead report the issue to the noticeboard, perhaps with a suggestion for appropriate action, to be dealt with by an uninvolved administrator. In limited circumstances, such as blatant vandalism or bad-faith harassment, an involved administrator may act, but such exceptions are likely to be rare. 3477:
act in concert to systematically advocate editorial decisions considered favorable to their shared political views that contravene the application of Knowledge policy or obstruct consensus-building. Mere strength of numbers is not sufficient to contravene Knowledge policy. Defending editorial positions that support political preferences typical of a particular national background is not
1980:. In it, I mentioned that Future Perfect agreed extremely quickly with the rather sudden renaming of the article, within 45 minutes as the records will show, and requested additional information to help eliminate the possibility that he might be acting on a potential POV and COI. The conversation continued until I was called by Future Perfect "idiotic". When I called that into question, 6244:{{Consensus|This article is currently subject to ''']''', as laid out in the final decision of the "Macedonia 2" arbitration case. If you are a new editor, or an editor unfamiliar with the situation, please follow the guidelines laid out in the above link. If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it on this talk page first.}} Similar edit notice wording should be used. 1933:
memory the simple name "Macedonia" was never really even spoken about, except to dismiss the article being named that out of hand. Although there were heated voices on both sides, and I am ashamed to admit that I was one of them at times, there did seem to be some real discussion taking place, and there were hopes, at least on my part, that a real solution could be arrived at.
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easier to resolve than the latter. If I am correct in that opinion, and if ArbCom rules allow it, I would request that, if a decision regarding the former issue is resolved before the second issue, any implementation of a decision regarding the former issue not be delayed until the resolution of the second issue, but be carried out as soon as a clear decision is reached.
1581:. To Coren: No this is not a request for the committee to settle the naming dispute (i.e. the content issue) itself. It's a request for guidance in a more general matter of Knowledge governance: how to deal with content decisions where a dispute is overwhelmingly dominated by pre-existing real-world political positions polarised along national lines. 6995:
designate a panel of three uninvolved administrators who will assess the consensus developed during the discussion, and report the results of their assessment within one week of the end of the discussion. The results will then be appended onto this case, and the consensus as assessed by the panel shall be enforceable as if it were a
1882:) by Avg as a reason for reporting Future Perfect to "the authorities" when he changed "former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" to "Republic of Macedonia". This is a serious problem and further illustrates the nationalistic fervor of this community when anyone tries to treat Macedonia as an equal entity within Knowledge. But 1698:. Macedonia, without any appelations, is the self-identifying term for the country officially known as the Republic of Macedonia. ChrisO's actions are justified as they follow suit behind the practises featured in the English version of Knowledge. The addition of "Republic of" was used to disambiguate it from other 6960:, as currently configured, logs all changes involving the word "Macedonia" but does not block any edits. The community is strongly advised to consider adding a new abuse filter criterion; any instances of changing the word "Macedonia" to "FYROM" (the five-letter acronym, not the full phrase) shall be prevented. 3461:, outing has not occurred if an editor has previously voluntarily self-identified his or her country, language, nationality, or other personal information. Subsequent posting of that information by other users does not constitute outing. If a user has redacted that information, their wishes should be respected. 1805:, which was clearly not respected by ChrisO when he disrupted the article. Should the ArbCom deem this time that stricter guidelines are necessary, I will stand by it, although I understand that such a decision is difficult to take because of the possibility that it will clash with the pillars of Knowledge. 7067:
At the end of the six-month period, the supervising administrator will make a recommendation to the Committee regarding X's readiness to use the tools correctly and to conduct themselves appropriately without supervision. Based on this recommendation, the Committee will either allow X to continue as
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process have been unsuccessful, the community should designate a neutral uninvolved administrator, or group of administrators, agreeable to all sides of the dispute, which should review the situation and resolve it by applying Knowledge policy. All sides should faithfully adhere to this decision. Any
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of Knowledge that all editors should adhere to. Knowledge users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their interactions with other users, to keep their cool when editing, and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Administrators are expected to adhere to this
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any vested interest in that country, something is broken. The Knowledge community needs better tools to deal with nationalistic editing if we are to have any hope of truly being a neutral encyclopedia in cases like this. I ask ArbCom to help us with this. At least, point us in the direction we should
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shows. Any article that mentions Macedonia is a target for disruptive editing, which generally involves replacing the term "Republic of Macedonia" with "FYROM" or made-up terms like "Vardarska". This has even extended to anonymous vandalism from the Greek Parliament on an article that appeared on the
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1) Blocks for violation of 1RR related to this arbitration may be issued after 1 warning for up to 1 week for first offense, up to 1 month after the first 1 week block, up to 6 months after the first 1 month block, and then indefinite blocks and ban options may be considered. All blocks and bans are
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30) An administrator, X, subject to administrative supervision is required to find another administrator in good standing who is willing to supervise their administrative actions. The choice of supervising administrator is subject to approval by the Committee. X is encouraged to seek a supervising
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37) IP editors from both sides have been disruptive by changing articles to a particular POV without a consensus to do so. This is often done on pages which have no direct connection to Greece, Macedonia, or their peoples, languages, or cultures. The effect disrupts Knowledge, overshadows legitimate
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that this was the solution best in line with existing policy, and that in these very exceptional circumstances prior discussion would have been useless because the expected stonewalling from the Greek editors would make consensus-forming impossible. The article had previously been move-protected for
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The plethora of detailed statements and excellent rationales by Yannis, AndreasJS, John Carter and Shadowmorph fully address my concerns. Therefore since these excellent points were made by them as well as others I will avoid repeating many of their arguments here. I would like however to expand on
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Instead, focus on the subjacent reasons that led ChrisO to take such action: the general editing environment around these topics, the existence of a group of Greek editors determined to have our articles reflect their biases (as described by others above). — This is the source of much (most?) of the
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It is I believe clear to everybody that there are two distinct, related, things being considered here. They are ChrisO's behavior and the broader naming question. It seems to me as a comparative outsider to the ongoing dispute who has only recently become involved in it, that the former issue may be
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Then, out of the blue, without any discussion, ChrisO moves the page, locks it in place himself, and says that he is doing this in the interests of following policy, and is forced to justify how his move is in compliance with policy. I and several others called into question the move, and there were
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of this arbitration–how does Knowledge deal with a parochial group of editors (whether nationalistic, as in this case, or religious) that blocks all attempts at productive editing that violates some self-proclaimed interest? In this case, we have a group of editors who refuse to reach any consensus
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Finally, the ArbCom and all editors assisting in this process should keep in mind that although the name problem exists and is a serious issue for both sides, this was not the case in the specific article in question, whose title, name, position and general status quo had been accepted by all sides.
1490:. Samaria appears to be a much more complex issue and the arbitration case is a hopeless mess, frankly. In Ireland, the Committee remanded the issue to the community for further discussion. This stage has already happened for Macedonia - a lengthy attempt to reach agreement failed some time ago (see 1467:
editorial action to cut the Gordian Knot by moving the article to a name that matches policy and real-world usage. What we need now is to obtain a definitive, binding ruling on the policy dispute and preferably to tackle some of the disruptive behaviour - POV-pushing, wikilawyering, vandalism - that
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discussion. The discussion must remain open for at least one month after it is opened, and the consensus must be assessed by a panel of three uninvolved contributors. In assessing the consensus, the panel is instructed to disregard any opinion which does not provide a clear and reasonable rationale
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5) For the purpose of imposing sanctions under the provisions of this case, an administrator will be considered "uninvolved" if he or she has not previously participated in any content disputes on articles in the area of conflict and is not mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee decision in
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39) Over several years, many editors have represented an identifiable opinion faction with regard to Macedonia-related articles. While many of the editors concerned have undoubtedly acted individually in good faith, and the individual conduct of most of them did not reach a level of disruption that
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is something that I feel ArbCom should address. Mud is a difficult thing to remove when someone throws it at you. I would ask ArbCom to protect me and anyone else insulted from the continuous abuse and ridicule we get, just because we happen to have a certain opinion, which has always been based on
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I beg the ArbCom to accept this case. The article in question was one of the top 300 in hits for March, and it is thus one of our most important articles. Such radical moves as have taken place on such an important article are at best questionable. That they take place under a cloud such as the one
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page regarding how the Republic of Macedonia was to be named in that article. At the time, the two choices being considered were "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" and "Republic of Macedonia". I and other new arrivals seemed to consistently favor the latter, but to the best of my knowledge and
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This problem exists and is in no way unique in Knowledge. The ArbCom should make its recommendations and I will assist in every step. The only question is how we can expect respect for this decision when there have already been such recommendations and these tend to be disrespected by all sides and
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article, we clearly found that this dispute was between a single, deeply entrenched and extremely determined, national faction of Greek editors, against a consensus of everybody else. However, the Greek faction is strong enough to block all regular consensus mechanisms threatening their POV island:
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First of all I'm confused by this filling. this is not the issue that was supposed to be brought to ArbCom, it's only a tangential issue. Second, it was clearly agreed by all the parties to wait till the end of this weekend for practical reasons. Third, I was named a party in this discussion, but I
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for a summary.) Unfortunately any movement towards a solution that reflects external sources has been blocked by Greek editors, essentially for POV reasons. Policy has been and is still being ignored - all of the editors who have objected to the article's new name have so far refused to discuss the
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article was first created. The dispute centres on the name of the country Macedonia, which shares its name with a Greek region and a wider historical region. The Greek and Macedonian governments have been involved in a fairly bitter diplomatic dispute over the issue for the last 17 years, which has
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3.1) All articles related to Macedonia (defined as any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to Macedonia, Macedonia nationalism, Greece related articles that mention Macedonia, and other articles in which how Macedonia will be referred to is an issue) fall under 1RR whenever
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21) It is potentially harmful to Knowledge when editorial debates become strongly associated with real-world political polarizations and when they become dominated by groups of editors lined up along political lines due to shared national backgrounds. This is particularly harmful when such editors
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at least until the ArbCom reaches a decision. His goal was to create a status quo which would manipulate the opinions of those not directly interested in this matter and it seems he has succeeded, since editors already talk about "not changing things yet", thus accepting that his edits will be the
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which form (or have formed until now) the only firm rules of Knowledge. He intentionally changed the status quo of an article which had been stable for years and was not disputed by any side in this conflict. He did this in a most provocative way, deprived of the editors the right to revert/modify
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and enforce their national POV there. If it's not evident to you that's the case here, please examine the use of the name of "Republic of Macedonia" or "Macedonia" in the majority (or maybe even "all") of the other articles and even in foreign language Wikis. I also made the case that biased polls
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I regard the issue of major importance. It is not only the legitimacy of User:ChrisO's move and its adherence to our policies which is judged here, but also the avoidance of further and collateral damage this action may entail. I thus decided to bring the case in front of you now, although not all
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29.1.1) Within seven days of the closure of this case, a discussion is to be opened to consider the preferred current and historical names for the four entities known as Macedonia. The discussion will end one month after it is opened. Prior to the discussion ending, the Arbitration Committee will
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into a featured article. The map of one of those editors has even found fame beyond wikipedia in (Slav) Macedonian blogs and sites and is happily used. Users came together to agree on a line of conduct over when to use Macedonia, RoM, Fyrom, Greek Macedonia, etc. It worked. Users, such as myself,
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I'm innocent I tells ya, I wuz framed. Seriously, I've noted elsewhere that I thought the move was a bad idea, both in its timing and in its intent: I understand why Chris did what he did, but I see no consensus for the move. Yes, as a potential political tactic it was smart in the sense that a
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strongly advocates that Macedonia should not be used as the name of the country. I will also present my arguments on the naming issue (of course I disagree with the current naming) if the content dispute is discussed, however I very strongly believe the behavioral issue has to be tackled first. I
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There are several layers to the issue before us here. First, there is the real-world conflict over a single word--started by Greece so long ago that it almost seems to date from Alexander's day. This issue is totally irrelevant to Knowledge's policies, but it is mentioned time and time again as
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I originally came across the naming dispute on talk Greece where I disagreed with listing editors nationalities taking part in a straw poll. I have no allegiances to either country, so no matter what decision is made I won't lose any sleep over it. I took some interest in the name change made by
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Noting here that ArbCom won't say what the name(s) should be, but that we will almost certainly be laying out a framework, or urging that a framework be set up, for achieving a lasting resolution to this issue (or at least for a set period to allow editing energies to be productively channelled
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whole issue could wait until the Orthodox Easter, which begins this weekend. As a sort of respect to users from both "sides". But in further reading the comments by Yannismarou and ChrisO, both have vigourously defended their actions. It is true that a walled garden has been established by many
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1) No Macedonia-related article, broadly defined, shall be moved/renamed until after the "Macedonia 2" case closes. If it does occur, any uninvolved administrator can expeditiously revert it. After the case closes, Macedonia-related moves/renames can occur as prescribed in the final decision.
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Regarding the content dispute, never, ever has "Macedonia" been discussed as a choice for naming the country, because it was common ground to everybody even remotely involved with the issue that there is a high degree of ambiguity. Again, I will present as evidence many diffs where even ChrisO
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10) Administrators are required to explain their actions. When an administrator takes an action that is likely to be controversial or to raise questions, he or she should explain the action in advance or at the time, in a location that the affected editors are likely to see, so that they will
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are trusted members of the community, who are expected to follow Knowledge policies and are held to a high standard of conduct. They are expected to pursue their duties to the best of their abilities. Occasional mistakes are entirely compatible with this; administrators are not expected to be
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My filing concerns mainly the User:ChrisO's move, but it is the ArbCom itself which will determine the scope of its competence, and if and how it is going to examine the related issue of the "Greece" article. Although I try to present the case as neutrally as I can, I cannot hide that I am an
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article was challenged by a number of editors, who proposed switching to the "Republic of..." convention. During the ensuing controversy, editors of both sides supported their respected views with great tenacity, and often exhibited inappropriate behavior such as disruption, filibustering,
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12) Edit-warring is harmful. When disagreements arise, users are expected to discuss their differences rationally rather than reverting ad infinitum. Revert rules should not be construed as an entitlement or inalienable right to revert, nor do they endorse reverts as an editing technique.
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I'm not sure as to why I'm called an involved editor, but have an interest in how ArbCom would handle the long-term and tendentious nationalistic dispute. I expect that whatever remedy comes from the case would be a precedant for other heated naming disputes. The recent two ANI reports on
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answers to your question. Yes, one administrator's action precipitated this early filing. Yes, the consensus was to bring the naming issue to ArbCom the earliest on 22 April because of the Orthodox Easter. There seemed to be a consensus the filing to be made by a non-involved user (maybe
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4) As there are hundreds of articles potentially subject to the remedies contained in this decision, it is up to the community to tag the talk pages and edit notices of the articles and to decide how to go about that. Code for a template on talk pages that can be used for that is here:
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the first time he abused the admin tools to settle this dispute in his favour. And finally, it was based in deceit and in an outright lie to the community. I'm prepared to prove my claims with diffs when the arbitration enters the evidence phase. ChrisO has completely lost my trust.
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4) Topic bans and other measures imposed by administrators pursuant to the enforcement provisions of this case are open to community review. The community is free to modify sanctions, such as extending a topic ban or replacing a topic ban with mentoring and editing restrictions.
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2.1) The remedies in this case shall apply to any disagreement among editors concerning the proper use or designation of the names "Macedonia", "Republic of Macedonia", "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", or any similar or related reference in any article in Knowledge.
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I would like to start by expressing my firm belief that this action by ChrisO was not simply a random "bold" move nor a move by a passing-by, uninvolved administrator. It was a carefully planned and premeditated move, by a heavily biased editor, with the objective of acting as a
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this case. Enforcing the provisions of this decision or the earlier decision in the first Macedonia arbitration will not be considered to be participation in a dispute. Any doubt regarding whether an administrator qualifies under this definition is to be treated as any other
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to use a particular name, particularly the name it uses for itself (a self-identifying name). Articles should report the objective fact that such names are used; if another nation or group disputes the right to use that name, then information about that dispute (if it is
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the proper series of "dispution mechanism resolution" actions has been followed. I do think, however, that this case falls under the categories "Sensitive or "drama prone" issues requiring advice on handling" as well as "Unusually divisive disputes among administrators".
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is strongly admonished for displaying a long pattern of incivil, rude, offensive, and insulting behavior towards other editors and failure to address the community's concerns in this regard. This is inappropriate for any editor, but especially for an administrator.
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The situation outside Knowledge regarding the country's name is straightforward - it's called simply "Macedonia" by the great majority of English-language reference works and media. Knowledge's policy is also clear about how terminology should be used. (See
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Accept, both to look at the recent move but also the underlying issue in the sense that it would have been brought to us anyway next week. As Flo says, we will, as always, not be resolving the content dispute, but we can provide a framework for resolution.
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by using administrative tools. Administrator tools may not be used to further the administrator's own position in a content dispute. Administrators who are unsure whether they should take an action should defer that action to an uninvolved administrator.
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During this time, the supervising administrator is asked to assist X in training to use the tools in a manner that complies with all relevant policies and benefits the project, and to conduct themselves in a manner appropriate for an administrator.
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17) Protracted naming disputes are not a highly productive form of encyclopedia building and should be avoided if at all possible. Effort spent on actually improving articles as opposed to engaging in disputes over their names is highly encouraged.
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or the approval of this Committee. ChrisO is urged to give careful consideration to the principles expressed in this decision in his future editing, and especially if he reattains adminship at a future date. ChrisO may retain his rollback rights.
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normal procedure would simply never lead anywhere. Arbcom needs to deal not so much with the legalities of this move itself, but with the underlying causes: why do we regularly have situations that make such rouge moves look like the only way out?
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and good faith actions, where disruptive, may still be sanctioned. Use of the site for other purposes—including, but not limited to, advocacy, propaganda, furtherance of outside conflicts, and political or ideological struggle—is prohibited.
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6) When the net effect of blocs of editors with a shared agenda disrupts the achievement of consensus over, and/or negates the application of, Knowledge policy to the point that it is harmful to the encyclopedia, and appropriate steps of the
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Looking just at ChrisO's action, a single administrative action, isn't going to make much of a case. What really needs examining here is a complete failure in the wiki model to get us through a problem (here I am talking about the dispute at
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Please, do not dedicate too much of your time to the bold actions by ChrisO that precipitated the filing of this case: whether adequate or not, it is one single, easily reversable action made in good faith. — Little harm can come out of it.
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8) Articles relating to or simply mentioning Macedonia have been and are being subjected to frequent vandalism and disruptive editing, characterized by ethnic polarization, in an effort to promote one side or the other's particular view.
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his edits and directly threatened other admins not to do so either. He clearly acted in bad faith, choosing the start of a holy day for the Greeks to act and he totally disrupted Knowledge to illustrate a point, whatever this might be.
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How ironic. The Gordian Knot was a tangled Greek mess solved by a Macedonian who bent, if not broke, the rules. (And of course I realize that Alexander was not a Slavic Macedonian, but it's still a beautiful irony, nonetheless.)
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Replacing "Republic of Macedonia" with invented POV or pejorative terms (e.g. "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia", "Vardarska", "Slavomacedonia", "Republic of FYROM", "Republic of Skopje", "Bananadonia" and "Monkeydonia").
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the arbitration starts on the 22nd of April. He will then prove to the arbitrators and to the community that his action was not intended to promote a certain POV and trick the arbitrators into upholding the newly changed name.
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cast by ChrisO's actions damages the trust of several experienced editors, and even more so newer editors, and we should all do our best to address ensuring that such damaging behavior not happen any more often than necessary.
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5) Since circa 2006/2007, there was a relatively stable status quo, though not a consensus, that was respected by most regular editors in the field. Part of this status quo was that the "Former Yugoslav" form was used in the
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held in parallel ended in a polarized roughly 50/50 result: about half of the respondents, mostly self-identified Greeks, advocated "former Yugoslav..."; the other half, mostly from elsewhere, advocated "Republic of".
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I would also like to draw the attention of the ArbCom to the somewhat established tactics even in the statements of certain involved parties here, in labelling a group of editors as "Greek nationalists". The issue of
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7) Sustained disruption of Knowledge is incompatible with the status of administrator. Administrators who repeatedly and aggressively engage in inappropriate activity may be desysopped by the Arbitration Committee.
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on four occasions before getting the article protected from anonymous IPs. Staffordshire University is not even within the Greek "sphere of interest", but it was cited (along with other irrelevant articles such as
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took place but it bore no fruit. No adm closed the poll; the article was protected twice by User:Horologium to avoid ongoing edit-wars, and no solution to the problem was found. After endless discussions, it was
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Statement forthcoming on Monday, 20 April 2009. Many editors who argue for this article to be called RoM, as it was until a few days ago have outstanding contributions to wikipedia. Many were involved in making
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for the page. The funny part is that there never was in 5 years any talk or reason to move it, Republic of Macedonia was the consensus (in the wiki way). But aside from that, the name issue is important. Why
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then went on to revert some reference to Fyrom into RoM because we had agreed. Now, those users seem to be vilified for wishing to abide by the status quo as agreed. That seems wrong. Please reconsider.
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Chris0 to the Macedonia article as many of the same editors where involved. My concern is the way he went about it without any prior notice and his comments since making the change. I saw his statement
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31) The Committee takes note that ChrisO has resigned his administrator status while this case was pending. Any request by ChrisO for restoration of adminship privileges will require either a new
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such as names are concerned, disputes may arise over whether a particular name should be used. Knowledge takes a descriptive rather than prescriptive approach in such cases, by using the
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PS: If this case is supposed to include everyone with involvement in the naming dispute, I suppose I should be added, though having that many parties sounds exceedingly unwieldy to me.
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Similarly, but replacing "Republic of Macedonia" with "FYROM", to remove any mention of Macedonia, even if there is no ambiguity or if the term FYROM is inappropriate in that context.
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to the point that the conclusion was moved to an outside view vice placing it in a closing template which was the practice at that time. The closing admin, now an arbitrator, stated "
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is desysopped for three months as a consequence of poor user conduct and misuse of administrative tools. After three months, his administrator access will be automatically restored.
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participation on Knowledge do not excuse misbehavior or questionable judgment in another aspect of participation, but may be considered in determining the sanction to be imposed.
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elsewhere for that period). Discussions on how to resolve this should still continue, but no moving or renaming (with obvious exceptions such as typos on newly-created articles).
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administrator outside their normal areas of editing and administrative tool use. Should X refuse to seek out an administrative supervisor, they will be summarily desysopped.
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a three-revert rule warning template from his user talk page with the edit summary "LOL, I'm perfectly aware of what I am doing, thank you very much for your kind concern."
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using the summary "consensus at AfD was that this page as it currently stands is not useful. Redirecting again, until somebody writes something better". On April 21, 2009,
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are all inconsistent with Knowledge etiquette. Users should not respond to such behavior in kind; concerns regarding the actions of other users should be brought up in the
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tool used, the purpose for which they are used, or any others as they consider necessary. Should X refuse to comply with these limits, they will be summarily desysopped.
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have explained. To be more blunt: should the Greece article be a walled garden, one that can ignore the realities and policies and logic? I say "no". Period and EOS.
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during August-November 2008 that primarily focused on concerns about incivility, assuming good faith, how he handled images, and tendentious editing. While he did make
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that the case should be presented on 22 April before the ArbCom for the reasons exposed in the above thread. It was not conclusively decided who will file the request.
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ChrisO did not change "Republic of Macedonia" to "Macedonia" anywhere else. He also acknowledges he is aware of the importance of the timing due to Easter holidays.
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I'm the proverbial new editor. I was previously anonymous but Macedonia is protected from those for ever. I was trying to improve Macedonia dab page and along with
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of articles by engaging in sustained aggressive point-of-view editing may be banned from the affected articles. In extreme cases they may be banned from the site.
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40) ChrisO resigned his status as an administrator on June 6, 2009, while this arbitration case was pending, and just prior to that gave himself rollback rights.
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that is or is likely to be controversial should be discussed beforehand on the page's talk page, and/or at any other pertinent location. The methods outlined at
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in the Israeli apartheid case not to use his administrative tools without prior discussion and consensus, nor to use them so as to continue an editing dispute.
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for block review since he was involved. Most reviewers felt Sadbuttrue92 did deserve a block but felt someone else should have done it. FPAS's response was to
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policy rationale for the move. It is clear that attempts to reach a consensus have failed and are unlikely to succeed without external stimulus. I undertook a
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Since there is a delay in opening the case, this proposal seems sensible as there was likely to be a similar injunction proposed soon after the case opened.
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ChrisO's move is just an expression of exasperation with this situation: he tried to cut the gordian knot, by doing the correct edit in a situation where he
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are expected to contribute neutrally instead of following their own agenda and, in particular, should take care to avoid creating the impression that their
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should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize." Knowledge determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what
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Yes, there will be no need for another vote. This motion covers the situations. We are doing it this way instead of an injunction because of the delay.
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whose involvement with Knowledge has been almost entirely been focused on editing a handful of Macedonia-related articles and this arbitration case.
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passim). Second, there is the continual attempt by the entrenched nationalists to paint international usage as the standard for Knowledge naming (as
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move to the center takes us back to Republic of Macedonia, but in this case it wasn't necessarily the best idea. The real issue is precisely what
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with an edit summary in Greek that roughly means "fuck off, you wanker", but FPAS thought it meant "go to hell". FPAS was warned by arbitrator
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The Macedonia naming issue is one of the oldest and ugliest POV disputes on Knowledge. It has been ongoing since as far back as 2002, when the
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find appalling to be forced to enter into a content dispute with the tables turned to ChrisO favor, just because he abused the admin tools.
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This is a situation where the standard Wiki model of consensus procedures regularly fails, and we need to figure out how to deal with that.
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has been admonished or made subject to restrictions in the course of three prior arbitration proceedings by the Arbitration Committee:
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by accusing other editors of bigotry, utilizing terminology conveying ethnic hatred, and accusing other users of lying and ignorance.
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Also, I call to the attention of the arbitration committee this material questioning the terms of Future Perfect's proposed renaming
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go next (and please, don't ask us to go to mediation or RFC. This issue has been discussed out, and certain parties absolutely
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I first came to this discussion after Future Perfect at Sunrise requested additional eyes and voices in the discussion on the
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model. When there is a good-faith dispute, editors are expected to participate in the consensus-building process, in lieu of
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That can't be acceptable behaviour from an admin. Furthermore he wasn't being bold in making an edit like I did with moving
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in English call the subject." Knowledge does not take any position on whether a particular person, group or nation has the
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To examine admin conduct, and to assist the Community in finding a solution to the naming conflict (not select the name).
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after I asked him just that. He did though reassert it could be wheel-warring in a conversation on J.delanoy's talk page
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an administrator without further supervision; require that X undergo further supervision; or summarily desysop X.
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is non-neutral, which could strongly suggest that their editing is not compatible with the goals of this project.
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1) All editors on Macedonia-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as
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Since it seems clear to to me that this case is going to happen, I'm really hoping the Arbs will listen to this:
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perfect. However, consistently or egregiously poor judgment may result in the removal of administrator status.
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of the consensus model and process, such as misrepresenting consensus or poisoning the well, is disruptive.
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Committee may remove his administrator access (either temporarily or permanently), or alter the restriction.
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1. Whether ChrisO abused his position as an administrator to disturb the consensus achieved in Knowledge.
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Arbitrators, the parties, and other editors may suggest proposed principles, findings, and remedies at
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that any admin reverting his change could be desysopped for wheel-warring. I later noticed him making
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a very long time, and has remained so since; hence, administrator rights were required to move it.
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27) Excessive cross-posting, campaigning, votestacking, stealth canvassing, and forum shopping are
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is indefinitely topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in
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Replacing all instances of "Republic of Macedonia" with "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia".
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change to his opening statement implying it was not an administrative action which he confirmed
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was proposed to find a common approach to this naming issue, but failed to achieve consensus.
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to a new name for a move-protected page. The way to go, on an encyclopedia "anyone can edit"?
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8) Administrator actions pertaining to enforcing Knowledge's conduct policies, such as the
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I will only comment on what the initial issue was supposed to be: I don't see the issue in
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I would have no problems with a delay until the originally planned date of 22nd April. --
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using the summary "rv, the article is worthless". At the time of the second redirection,
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and other Knowledge policies. Diversifying one's topics of interest is also encouraged.
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User:Horologium, the protecting administrator), but this was not conclusively decided.--
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as needed, but this page should not be edited otherwise. Please raise any questions at
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at a higher standard. Unseemly conduct—including, but not limited to, edit-warring,
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in the world. So I expect ArbCom examines the case thoroughly and handle it fairly.--
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is topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in
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is topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in
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This is hard to show as this is shown by an absence of diffs so here's another view:
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Republic of Macedonia: The independent state by itself which was part of Yugoslavia
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3. How the name issue of the existing "Macedonias" should be treated from now on.
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3.1) Knowledge content issues —including naming conventions— are governed by its
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Scientology case, May 2009 for WP:BLP violations and inappropriate sysop actions
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the dispute over naming is concerned. Editors enforcing a case where a binding
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in a topic in which he was heavily involved. ChrisO then edited the MoS leaving
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Future Perfect at Sunrise's block of Sadbuttrue92 and warning by an arbitrator
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All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned
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26) Single-purpose accounts are strongly advised to edit in accordance with
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He also states the move was delayed because he was on international travel.
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Is Knowledge now written by the admins, do they get to chose the names only?
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about the reason (in addition to ignoring the talk page). Then he moved the
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1) While the disputes presented in this case are very similar to issues in
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This issue has many dimensions and should all be dealt with by the ArbCom.
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Response to FloNight, bainer (arbitrators), Fut (involved party) and others
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IP edits, and leads to a battleground mentality among registered editors.
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in the case workshop he calls an attempt at updating guidelines "sabotage"
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3) There are four meanings for "Macedonia" pertinent to this arbitration:
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to views held by a relatively small minority of commentators or scholars.
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as it can be. "Republic of Macedonia" is not the neutral solution either,
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treating this like any ordinary case is not going to produce good results
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Motion: Removal of Unused and Unusual Remedies, Macedonia (October 2023)
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Israeli apartheid case, September 2006 for abuse of administrator tools
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which I discussed too. That can be reverted. Rather ChrisO was bold in
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motivation for the uncompromising stand of the nationalist editors as
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on the application of the name "Republic of Macedonia" on the article
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that closed on April 18, 2009 as "no consensus". After that closing,
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19) Excessive formalistic and legalistic argument over policies and
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policies guiding administrative acts in areas where one is involved
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page, and I don't even have yet a formed opinion over moving it to
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where he thinks FPAS is Greek and asks if he is of "Greek blood".
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also deprecates the use of full formal names in article titles.
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This required him to delete the previous page at that location,
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2) The immediate precursor to this arbitration was two edits by
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we finally spitted for the adjective to have it's own page like
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21) On April 21, 2009, the day before this arbitration opened,
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right now on the news (elections, NATO & EU ascension, etc)
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2.1) All articles involved in this conflict remain subject to
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on following Knowledge policy using consistent wikilawyering,
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ChirsO. What will the difference be from the last dictates of
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involved party, and that I have commented on ChrisO's actions
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Kosovo case, October 2006 for edit warring and rollback abuse
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was set up on March 30, 2009 to track instances of the link "
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We can just move this to the injunction, no need to revote.
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filibustering with people advocating nationally-based POVs.
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represent a best practice approach for such circumstances.
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resorted to temporary solutions, and Knowledge is not on a
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for the actual English common usage of the word Macedonia.
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I'll be as brief as I can. After an extensive edit-war, a
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Shadowmorph is a Macedonia-focused single purpose account
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a discussion at the administrators' incidents noticeboard
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finding new statistical arguments WP could use elsewhere
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illustrate. They self-identify themselves as Greek (as
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page. Unfortunately, this discussion bore no fruit, and
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Disputed article movement/renaming injunction extension
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Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard
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Radjenef is a Macedonia-focused single-purposed account
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of these issues is relevant to the discussion at hand.
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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (13/0/0/0)
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is admonished for releasing private correspondence.
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is banned from the English Knowledge for six months.
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for endorsement or review. This does not comply with
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is always the Knowledge entry named "Macedonia". So,
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(Future Perfect at Sunrise) 7030:Link to the results of the centralized discussion 6075:Examples of disruption with an anti-Greek focus. 5486:User talk:Greece666#If you are Greek, I'm Martian 4891:"I mean, does anybody seriously expect I'm still 4432:) has been incivil, intimidating, and insulting. 7918: 6975:29) No Macedonia-related article, as defined in 6846:Future Perfect at Sunrise temporarily desysopped 4373:ChrisO restricted in the Scientology arbitration 4015:Previous attempts to reach consensus have failed 3756:Macedonia (ancient kingdom), also called Macedon 2317:article, that is by itself a reason to say that 494:Once the case is closed, editors may add to the 7351: 4925:) is an administrator involved in this dispute. 4780:) because Sadbuttrue92 was harassing him. FPAS 4342:ChrisO's admits being an involved administrator 4230:ChrisO's involvement in Balkan-related articles 4217:, he did so without first obtaining consensus. 2348:. Let me just say that other neutrals like the 7210:Knowledge:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2 6831:to one month. All blocks are to be logged at 6526:is admonished for disruption and incivility. 4123:'template convention, mirroring RoM guideline' 7899:Knowledge:Sockpuppet investigations/SQRT5P1D2 5856:. Nationalistic fervor and insulting others: 4725:, Future Perfect at Sunrise said there that: 3938:6) In late March 2009, the status quo at the 3321:14) Article content must be presented from a 374: 7294:explained by reference to the principles of 4855:Future Perfect at Sunrise's User Conduct RFC 4021:Manual of Style (Macedonia-related articles) 3248:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 1348:Pending the filing of the case, User:ChrisO 7181:Passed 12 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 7165:Passed 12 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 7134:Passed 12 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 7126: 7023:Passed 11 to 2 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6984:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6832: 6451:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6409:Passed 12 to 2 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6390:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6249:Passed 13 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6222:Passed 13 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6182:Passed 13 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6134:Passed 10 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6114:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 5892:. Search and replace tools are often used: 5784:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 5675:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 5511:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 5420:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 5182:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 5139:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 4487:Future Perfect at Sunrise's redirection of 4336:Passed 13 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 4264:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 4224:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 4074:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 4009:Passed 13 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3993:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3958:shows how it spilled to non-Greece articles 3943:assumptions of bad faith, personal attacks/ 3841:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3768:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3621:Passed 12 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3605:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3586:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3528:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3509:Passed 12 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3428:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3409:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3393:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3353:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3334:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3311:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3280:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3264:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3145:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3105:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3074:Passed 12 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 3051:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 2995:Passed 14 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 7078:Passed 9 to 5 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 6344:Passed 9 to 5 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 4130:Passed 9 to 0 at 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 1789:I firmly support that his edits should be 381: 367: 7511:Coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia 7345: 7285:The Arbitration Committee clarifies that 6209: 4879:an effort to address some of the concerns 3697:, stating that this was a "minor change". 1778:I wholly support that his actions were a 7287:Knowledge:Naming conventions (Macedonia) 7202:Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment 5455:; calling an obvious alternate account, 4543:Future Perfect at Sunrise was put on 1RR 1786:2. Whether his edits should be reverted 7727:for editing in violation of topic ban. 6922: 5839:Collective behavior of blocs of editors 5826:. He has also expressed regret for it. 5465:accusing others of an intent to deceive 3472:Collective behavior of blocs of editors 3243:understand what has been done and why. 3167:Use of administrator tools in a dispute 2969:Passed 10 to 0 at 09:18, 19 April 2009. 1780:direct breach of 4 out of the 5 pillars 502:, and report violations of remedies at 14: 7919: 6046:with related POV or pejorative terms. 4721:After the first comment was raised in 496:#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions 7383:Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions 5426:Avg's assumptions about other editors 5394:(calling opponent's edit vandalism), 4037:how it spilled to tangential articles 3934:Challenge to the Macedonia status-quo 7373:Passed 8 to 0 with 1 abstention by 7158:ARBMAC discretionary appeals process 6773:Future Perfect at Sunrise restricted 6704:Future Perfect at Sunrise admonished 6212:has been found are exempt from 1RR. 5488:. More evidence of lack of assuming 4526:this is what the article looked like 4516:), who had participated in the AFD, 4414:Future Perfect at Sunrise's behavior 3836:are essays, not Knowledge policies. 3645: 3638:the first Macedonia arbitration case 3177:biographies of living persons policy 3120:that follows Knowledge's policies. 3020:disrupting Knowledge to make a point 1710:, "Commonwealth of Australia" =: --> 154:Clarification and Amendment requests 7555:Coat of arms of Macedonia (country) 6495:SQRT5P1D2 topic-banned for one year 5731:IP Editors have disrupted Knowledge 4976:and sent a very demeaning email to 4883:argued at the conclusion of the RFC 3096:, or other inappropriate behavior. 30: 5272:) has edit-warred disruptively on 2436:Statement by Dr.K. (Tasoskessaris) 1530:Statement by Man with one red shoe 31: 18:Knowledge:Requests for arbitration 7938: 6434:Reaper7 topic-banned for one year 6373:Kekrops topic-banned indefinitely 6262:appeal of discretionary sanctions 5316:to push a Greek nationalist POV. 4622:for edit warring on the article. 3598:inappropriate forms of canvassing 2362:but the very one that is disputed 2329:was broken by the move. It cites 2325:situation. Besides the policy on 7573:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 6484:is admonished for edit warring. 6465:is admonished for edit warring. 4875:user conduct Request For Comment 3826:frustration was already apparent 3521:user-conduct request for comment 3515:Request for comment/User conduct 2059:I reiterate my brief comment on 1714:, "United Mexican States" =: --> 61: 7377:at 03:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC) 7095:ChrisO's administrator status 2 7087:at 03:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC) 6990:Establishing consensus on names 6977:#All related articles under 1RR 6933:Single-purpose accounts advised 6323:at 03:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC) 6231:at 03:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC) 5150:SQRT5P1D2 solicited meatpuppets 4786:blank the entry by Sadbuttrue92 4522:he redirected the article again 4213:, which was move protected, to 3481:evidence of bad-faith editing. 3292:Knowledge:Neutral point of view 2287:In the time pressure, I had to 2244:ChrisO's move can be seen as a 435:on 03:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC) 6505:All related articles under 1RR 6444:All related articles under 1RR 6383:All related articles under 1RR 6360:All related articles under 1RR 5904:. Specific types of examples: 3671:Immediate precursor of dispute 3434:Wikilawyering and stonewalling 3057:Knowledge's content governance 2249:, not an administrative move. 2046:(stable for the last 7 years) 13: 1: 6415:Reaper7 banned for six months 6350:Avg topic-banned indefinitely 6120:ChrisO's administrator status 5446:intent to edit war til banned 5068:Reaper7 engaged in canvassing 5031:Knowledge:No personal attacks 4085:ChrisO's change of a template 3856:and Greece-related articles. 2319:there is no single main topic 1845:, and (my personal favorite) 1689:Personally I was hoping that 397:on 03:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC) 7452:Ethnic Macedonian literature 7354:(Administrative supervision) 7331:The following remedies from 7319:at 14:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC) 7265:is reminded to abide by the 6925:on 16:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC) 6145:Seek neutral outside opinion 4270:ChrisO previously admonished 3386:Knowledge:Naming conventions 3365:Knowledge:Naming conventions 3300:common English language name 3270:Edit wars considered harmful 3238:Administrator communications 3193:neutral point of view policy 3151:Disruption by administrators 2344:The naming dispute might be 2295:. Please see my discussions 424:on 14:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC) 413:on 16:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC) 405:on 21:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC) 285:Conflict of interest reports 7: 7927:Knowledge arbitration cases 7909:06:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC) 7393:Macedonian culture (Slavic) 7120:Enforcement of 1RR by block 6396:Kekrops banned for one year 5790:Yannismarou has edit warred 5415:(during these proceedings) 5011:Personal attacks by Reaper7 3534:Sanctions and circumstances 3373:verifiable reliable sources 3304:verifiable reliable sources 3217:administrators' noticeboard 3063:internal editorial policies 3007:Knowledge's code of conduct 2333:as a good example and says 2219:Macedonia (ancient kingdom) 1460:Talk:Macedonia#Article move 114:Search archived proceedings 10: 7943: 7498:per the above injunction. 7439:per the above injunction. 7358:Editors are reminded that 7036:Administrative supervision 4119:several days of discussion 3695:Macedonia (disambiguation) 2962:11:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 2947:02:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 2928:22:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2915:14:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2902:14:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2884:13:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2872:13:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2848:13:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2836:11:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2826:11:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2813:11:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2798:11:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2758:09:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC) 2744:19:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 2727:14:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2704:11:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2688:00:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 2664:Macedonia (disambiguation) 2651:23:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2634:18:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2615:16:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2598:16:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2581:12:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2566:10:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2551:10:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2522:13:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2510:03:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2494:03:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2471:00:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC) 2447:We Don't Need Another Hero 2431:19:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC) 2400:02:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC) 2378:18:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 2180:Macedonia (disambiguation) 2149:17:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC) 2124:23:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 2090:21:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1994:23:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 1971:15:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 1951:13:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1918:13:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1819:14:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC) 1763:09:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1728:08:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1679:15:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1659:07:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1627:11:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1610:06:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1568:05:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1525:07:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 1508:07:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1498:is found to be faulty. -- 1478:07:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1433:01:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC) 1412:03:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 1390:03:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC) 441:Watchlist all case pages: 159:Arbitrator motion requests 32: 7819:00:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC) 7748:12:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC) 7674:03:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC) 7214:Future Perfect at Sunrise 6853:Future Perfect at Sunrise 6779:Future Perfect at Sunrise 6710:Future Perfect at Sunrise 6255:Uninvolved administrators 4913:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4861:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4754:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4643:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4553:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4504:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4420:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise 4409:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4146:Future Perfect at Sunrise 4107:in a protected template, 3774:Macedonia Manual of Style 3502:Knowledge:Requested moves 3084:4) Knowledge relies on a 2383:Statement by Caspian blue 2065:my rather visual analysis 1880:2007 Fort Dix attack plot 1873:and was forced to revert 771:Future Perfect at Sunrise 7581:17:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 6952:Tighten the abuse filter 5314:List of national animals 3652:; see, for example, the 3492:Controversial page moves 3421:Knowledge:Disambiguation 2660:Macedonia naming dispute 2449:, because we are not in 2154:Statement by Shadowmorph 1924:Statement by John Carter 1871:Staffordshire University 1733:Statement by Jack forbes 1328:Statement by Yannismarou 474:Requests for arbitration 411:Case Amended (by motion) 7505:19:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 7446:19:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC) 7148:under the terms of the 7146:discretionary sanctions 7140:Discretionary sanctions 7127:#Log of blocks and bans 6833:#Log of blocks and bans 6331:Avg banned for one year 5254:Nick ts has edit-warred 4873:) was the subject of a 4641:20.1) On 2 April 2009, 3611:Return of access levels 3556:Single purpose accounts 3550:Single purpose accounts 3317:Neutral point of view 2 3211:Involved administrators 3131:Administrator standards 2817:With minor copy-edit. 2672:Macedonia (terminology) 2668:Macedonia (terminology) 2315:Macedonia (terminology) 2136:Macedonia (terminology) 2038:I specifically request 1513:Response to Carcharoth. 7653:single-purpose account 7348:(Stalemate resolution) 7289:may be modified by an 7271: 6518:John Carter admonished 5241:single-purpose account 5208:single-purpose account 4731: 4719: 4707: 4518:redirected the article 4205:) subsequently gave a 4136:ChrisO's plan to move 3718:Reactions to this move 2042:to revert back to the 1696:English-speaking world 1633:Statement by Heimstern 7304:neutral point of view 7206: 7101:request for adminship 7012:neutral point of view 6476:Alfadog777 admonished 6210:#Stalemate resolution 5979:(note edit summary), 4949:John Carter and Taivo 4727: 4715: 4703: 4329:previously admonished 4211:Republic of Macedonia 4182:Republic of Macedonia 4138:Republic of Macedonia 4125:as an edit summary. 3984:republic of macedonia 3705:Republic of Macedonia 3323:neutral point of view 3286:Neutral point of view 3221:incidents noticeboard 2476:Preliminary decisions 2337:. Another example is 2279:Republic of Macedonia 2275:stats for August 2008 2188:Republic of Macedonia 2162:after bold edits and 2098:Statement by Jim62sch 1956:Addition to statement 1537:Republic of Macedonia 1535:don't even watch the 1354:Republic of Macedonia 752:Man with one red shoe 355:Track related changes 215:Arbitration Committee 55:Knowledge Arbitration 7799:blocked indefinitely 7725:blocked for 24 hours 7633:blocked indefinitely 6275:Stalemate resolution 6038:Replacing the term " 5492:and wiki-lawyering: 5461:"disruptive purpose" 4889:". FPAS also stated 4842:not to do this again 4571:William M. Connolley 4565:) was put on 1RR on 4496:Macedonians (Greeks) 4489:Macedonians (Greeks) 4207:rational explanation 3847:Macedonia status-quo 3579:strongly discouraged 3367:states: "Generally, 3197:verifiability policy 3111:Consensus can change 2985:Purpose of Knowledge 2767:Temporary injunction 2313:If WP has to have a 2223:deciding and locking 2129:Statement by Politis 1889:Finally, we come to 1452:Main Page recently. 1323:Requests for comment 164:Enforcement requests 92:Guide to arbitration 6044:Macedonian language 5808:) has edit warred. 5517:Kekrops' disruption 5124:User:Giorgos_Tzimas 4551:of April 18, 2009, 4547:19) As a result of 3824:. 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