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1845:) although little if any damage survives from it. Like Fav said a couple months ago: This has got to be the worst possible type of disruptive editor. Jumping all over different but related pages; mixing legit, suspect and completely bogus edits together; engaging in extremely subtle vandalism sometimes and more blantent nonsense at others and everything in between; IP hopping almost daily at times...pretty much a real pain in the ass. --
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copied "328" from peackbagger's "So now Ngga Pulu has less than 100m/328’ of prominence as a sub-peak of
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That was the point I was attempting to make. I wasn't really satisfied with the explanation I got down on paper either, but I hoped it was clear enough. Obviously I was mistaken. But I'd still like to modify the current version, as I'd heard that myself for years and was never satisfied with it.
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Hi, Racerx11. I'd like to discuss my edit of the Tides page which you reverted. I agree that the previous edit is more succinct, but it's also a misleading explanation of how tidal forces are generated. While it's true that the Moon's gravitational force is stronger on the side of Earth facing it
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Abhiroop de. I just noticed your various reverts regarding Tenzing citizenship. While the guardian article given as reference contains several factual errors and might not qualify as a reliable source, Tenzing autobiography ("Man of Everest - The Autobiography of Tenzing", 1956)
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Thanks, I had not seen these yet. It looks like he copied much from peakbagger.com. I don't remember peakbagger discussing the impact of glacial melt when writing the New Guinea list and adding a bit on this subject to Puncak Jaya. The only discrepancy I can see is in the prominence. WanderingE1000
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Hey there. Sure, always having fun:). Good to see you are still doing quality work. You are getting really good at this sort of thing. I have only created a dozen or so stubs myself. I can only imagine how difficult it is to create a fully fleshed out article by yourself. Im on a mobile for a while
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It's not like I'm trying to hide. And, as you say, sinebot is signing for me; I don't feel the need to sign for myself especially since it's not mandatory. I'm not trying to be funny and HiLo48 isn't funny either. I don't know what he's trying to do except annoy me. You guys help get him off my
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This stuff happens all the time in volcanology, sometimes reports get mixed up, or the reports are too vague, so GVP (rightly so) has made a time period (which there is evidence that it did happen) in which the eruption would have taken place. Many volcanoes have dates with e.g. "give or take 30
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The formula for gravitational attraction is F = G *((m1 *m2) / d2). The mass of the Moon is approximately 7.3477 × 10**22 kg, and its average distance from the Earth is approximately 383,000 km. To determine the amount of gravitational attraction the Moon by itself has at that distance, let's
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That a lower-elevation mountain could be more challenging than a higher-elevation is not paradoxical - it doesn't go against logic or reason. At best, it's "interesting" that this is the case. Not sure why you want to preserve "paradoxically" in this article when it's mostly a filler word that
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Here's the list of comfirmed IP's the vandal has used. Sure there's more but this what I'm aware of thus far. This is just so if you need the list to get started and for future reference for anyone else. I will try to keep it updated on this page for as long as necessary or until it just gets
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It is however important to say that
Tenzing himself disliked very much the political recuperation that some people in both Nepal and India tried to make after he sumitted Everest: "Beside the question of who reached the top first, there was much talk and argument about my nationality. "What
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Yep. Nationality-wise, Tenzing was a Nepali Sherpa who moved to
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The orbital mechanics version explains it much better, because it requires no "stretching" of the Earth by the Moon's gravity, which is far too weak at that distance, but only a requirement that objects at different distances orbit at different velocities.
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Ok dude. You're strange one that's for sure. I will leave you alone to do what you wish, but I'm not about to slap HiLo's sack over this. That's your problem. And don't expect many other editors to take what you are doing lightly either. I'm done with ya.
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Very, very similar to the Voice Cast Vandal - they are two peas in a pod. His thing is fake acting credits, and our Hanoi pal is into fake music credits. You've made quite a discovery - this goes back at least to the beginning of March, 2010 with
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352:(page 282). It is worth noting that both Nepal PM Koirala and Indian Pandit Nehru, unlike other politicians, did not try to put pressure on Tenzing to make any statement regarding his belonging to one or the other country.
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that I started, I thought I'd alert you to the next in the series, above. If you could take a moment to look it over, I'd appreciate your comments before I move it into an article. Thanks!
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