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500 ft above sea level, and the highest point in the city center is 250 ft asl. Also Mount
Rainier is 65 miles away from Seattle and its actual base is at 1,000 to 4,000 ft asl. So using your logic Mount Rainier only rises 10,000ft or so above Seattle even though the difference in elevation is 14,411 ft? No one would agree with this statement, but using your logic this is what the case would be!
1658:. The problem is your edit was a blatant violation of this important policy. We cannot simply copy word-for-word text from the sources. Also, the images posted appeared to have originated from the same source, but you have claimed in the fair-use rational that they are your own work. Then for some reason, you filled the external links section with links to websites about
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the words "UP TO". Also I know 14,115 ft minus 5,750 isn't exactly 8,400 ft I'm using it as a base number rather than saying 8,365 ft, this is the only reason! Plus 14,115 minus 6,035 doesn't equal 8,000 exactly, it's just a base number. We're only talking about the summit, so why did you mention that not all of Pikes Peak is at 14,115ft. The summit is all that matters.
350:, I'm not sure what to say about it at this point. We're mostly backtracking, looking for his older stuff, and he's been steadily focused on the Miles/Eagles/Eric Carmen/Gary Moore thing for a few months, so I don't think there's much we can spill the beans about. I should be able to start on this in a little bit - RL stuff and all.
1778:"I will show you Kuz'kina mat'" means threat - "I will show you!!!" -"You will be sorry" - " I'll kick your butt" It has only one meaning -threat. Very common idiom in Russia (a little bit old-fashioned though) , nothing mysterious about it. It doesn't mean " I will show you new thing" . Reference: any russian know itĀ :)
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probably not a huge secret about how or what we have been doing to deal with this and other vandalism, but there may be a few tricks or techniques that are not obvious. Should any technical details on how we have been dealing with this vandal be kept to ourselves, just in case we know something he doesn't?--
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Mr Racerx11 I had previously tried editing the
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Yeah I know. I had no idea it could get this bad. I have been taking some time to see if some of this stuff survives in the current articles. I don't have a good technique to do that quickly or efficiently however. And of course since many of the edits or parts of them appear legitimate, well you see
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report if necessary. I'll add some sort of description of his behavior, and all I've done is put the list of known (so far) IPs in numerical order. You can edit the page as you see fit: if you think the layout needs tweaking, go ahead and do it. And thanks for reverting the guy at the Eagles article!
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Ludicracy? how is using 5,750 ft more senseless than using 6,035, they're both just numbers from certain points in the city. Downtown is at 6,035 ft yes but theres more to the city than just downtown. Denver is only at 5,280 ft on the south side of Downtown, but varies from 5,170 ft to 5,660
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Are there certain things that we shouldn't talk about at this point, assuming the vandal could possibly be monitoring our discussions? For example, should we not mention how it could get any worse (if that's possible): "At least he hasen't done x or y yet." So we don't give him any ideas? Also, it's
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Ok, maybe we should step back and look at what we are trying to do. If the goal is to get a complete list as possible then maybe we should start catagorizing by date or something. So far there's the recent batch from the last couple months. Not much in 2011, but a whole mess from 2010...now '09 etc.
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Anyone who knows the elevation of the city or checks it would find the statement either immediately confusing or just plain false, so I don't think you are doing it right at all. But I really don't care anymore. You didn't even bother to sign your last post and when a person is editing from both an
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8000 ft above the city and I said your estimation wasn't even close. My point is by your logic, a 5800 ft peak could also be descibed as rising above the city, even though one could look down on it from downtown. Why would anyone measure the low point of a city and compare it to the high point of a
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Well I'll agree to disagree with you, the only reason I'm using the low point of a city is to show what the whole elevation difference is from Pikes Peak to the lowest point in
Colorado Springs. I mean people say that Mount Rainier rises 14,411 ft above Seattle, but the highest point in Seattle is
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Of course only the summit matters. I mention not all of the mountain is at 14,115 ft to point out the ludicracy of your own statement, choosing the use the low point of the city. And damn, why can't you just edit from one account and sign your posts?! You are confusing the hell out of me! I posted
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Doc, I have broken the list down into recent and older IP's in hopes it may be useful to have it that way in the future. Pretty sure its accurate but I will double check it later. Added a couple more to the list while I was at it. Also added some comments for the more notable IP's. Do you remember
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here and believe what you are telling me. With that in mind, I will remove the vandalism template from your talk page and do my best to fix the "mistake in translation" within the article. Note that I will probably use "We will bury you" with the source I found, instead of "We'll kick your butt",
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First of all a 5,800ft peak would not be considered a peak in
Colorado Springs that's a hill, and yes you would have to look down on it from Downtown but that would still make it a hill. What is your point? We're only talking about Pikes Peak and your phylosophical argument is totally unrelated.
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I have the same feeling about 2011 but wondering why we haven't stumbled on to much from that year. I remember looking into that one we have from '11 and it didn't lead to anything else. I will check it again though. That's why I'm very interested in any more from that year and of course any more
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until just now... and good work! All are clearly the same vandal. We gotta figure out how to list them, especially as early ones: the only ones I don't like to list are ones from the 2010 Alvin spree, where so many IPs were used so furiously that it was mind-boggling. Again, good catch with this
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That was me. I just wanted to thank you (with some help from
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549:) in 2011, but the jury's still out on his activities. I'm getting a good picture of the guy. Probably a little older than me (mid-40's to early-50's), probably from the U.S. or U.K. originally... and some more stuff I won't reveal per the beans thing. Keep digging! CheersĀ :: -->
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Also sorry I didn't sign, and forgot to log in twice. I wasn't aware of this process because wikipedia is just a past time for me it's not my life and I don't always remember small things like this non stop every day! So if I didn't sign a couple times forgive me for being
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Do you not understand the point I'm trying to make, it's very simple and You're being way to specific! Looking from 5,750 ft to the summit of Pikes Peak 15 miles away or so from southern
Colorado Springs is a difference of around 8,400 ft, this is all I'm trying to say!
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I have to go out for a bit, but I'll put some thought into it. I'll create the subpage when I get back, and we can go from there. 2011 could be just as rife as the other years, and I would guess that it is. I'll let you know when the subpage is up. CheersĀ ::
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Like I just said, I wasn't aware that there was an action called signing for talk pages, I do now and will remember. Also I didn't realize I wasn't still logged in when I posted changes and comments under my IP address, it was a simple mistake. Understand?
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ft overall in the city limits yet it's still known as the Mile High City. Do you have a problem with this? You should going by your logic. Anyways this argument over 8,000ft vs 8,400ft is totally not worth my time, so just do what will make you happy.
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It's going to get gruesomely long very quickly, I'm afraid. How many Elton John/Carpenters fans, who change song lengths as part of their behavior, do you suppose there are in Hanoi? My guess would be: not too many. We're now at
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Morocco because of peakbagger coordinate misinformation. Peaklist coordinates are better. Re Neblina,
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Heh, it does feel like being a detective sometimes. Thank you. Very kind of you. There is a level of interest in it and dare I say enjoyment involved in somethiing even this tedious. Like an old joke: It must be fun, we're not getting paid.
2116:. Thanks so much for your help with this clown, and please enter what you find at this more official place from now on. Since 2007 this guy has been doing this: I think he qualifies for "long-term abuse", no? ;P Cheers, and thanks again!
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Half-kidding eh? Man, I thought you were serious, really. I thought you were gonna come back with some wild name like "Hanoi Insidious Vandal". Could you imagine? then calling him by the initials like that other one from New York?! Haha.
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Looks fine. Until April of this year I had no knowledge of this guy, and only then because of his bizarre attempted Eagles additions. My hunch that he'd have been just as active during 2011 as the others is based on speculation, really.
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Ok great. I will check it out later and maybe tweak it. We should probably give the guy on the Eagles article an edit war warning now that you mention it. I also researched the claim and only found the same stuff you did from last year.
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Thanks Mike, I ran this by the editors at the talk page. We'll see how it goes. For the record, I believe the normal RM process to be seriously flawed for reasons that were all too obvious last year at the Shishapangma page.
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parameter. If it is indeed found to be uncontroversial by the admin who choses to deal with it, it will be moved. If for any reason the move is deemed controversial, it will have to go through the normal RM process.
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Im fine with "The Hanoi Vandal" or maybe include in the name something about the subject of his vandalism like "Track List Vandal" just for example, but I will let you decide on the name. Since you have mentioned
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a few days later. There are now so many IPs in the 2008-2010 section that it's time to make three sections, I believe. If there's no times where the Korean IP and any Vietnamese IP conflict, then it's
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I just wanted to thank you for your recent edits to the Jimmy Robinson (recording engineer) article. Your revisions were excellent and so improved the article as a whole, I thought.. thank youĀ :) --
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that states the phrase means "We Will Bury You", which sounds very familiar (I may have heard this before) and also is similar to what you are saying above, more or less. So I believe it is safe to
2323:, we can see a bunch of other ones (some are obviously him, and some are obviously not). Don't forget to check the bottom of the page for the next set. Plugging in the 58.187.42.XXX range, we get
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Cool! Hey, let me show you this tool in case you've never seen it. Let's take the 58.187.64.XXX range, since only three IPs are listed in the suspected sock category. If you plug the range in
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I don't know if I can revert again per 3RR, but what that guy is adding does not seem correct at all. The only mention I can find goes back to September of last year, where it says the Eagles
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Ahh nevermind that last statement, these maps are have all kinds of errors, should have known better. I actually have to leave soon, will check into all of this when I have more time. --
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I'm ready to create the page and dump all the so-far known IPs on it, but part of me wants a new name for this one. "The Hanoi Horror"? "The Hanoi Harlequin"? Some would claim that
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I went though the entire list twice to make sure I didn't miss anything. No conflicts, nothing from between December 29, 2009 though February 13, 2010. I'm pretty sure it's him. --
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OK my apologies, but it appears you may have got the wrong idea about one or two things. It wasn't because I think I, an English speaker, know any better and it is certainly
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But if you think that you as English speaker know better, well, it is your article. It has a mistake in translation now. I will not try to change it again. It is up to you.
2327:, and so on. Let me know if you have any questions - it didn't take me long, with no range experience at all, to get the hang of it. A useful tool to have. CheersĀ :: -->
747:: Just-discovered Vietnamese IP reinserts the exact same edit. Good work - I think this one is confirmed. It seems he went on vacation or a job assignment or something.
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do a musical. Nothing from this year, and certainly no 2014 opening nights listed anywhere that I can find.
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What kind of a mind would even dream up such utter nonsense? Very discouraging. Well, TTYLĀ :: -->
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1573:. Assume the move is uncontroversial when you list it and link the talk page discussion in the
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No I haven't seen that trick and thank you for sharing it! I will certainly give it a try:-) --
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110:). A total nightmare...
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1232:A cheeseburger for you!
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2137:Great, thanks Doc! --
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2375:A barnstar for you!
1774:Re: "Kuz'kina mat'"
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