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quotations from NRHP documents more than many other editors do, in order to fully give credit to original authors, and I personally dislike badly done paraphrasing which fails to give adequate credit to original writers for their wording (even tho it includes a footnote, that's not enough credit if the wording overlaps too much).

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But anyhow, I am glad to see the new article, and I just tried to add a bit from the available NRHP document about it. The reference number in the NRHP infobox already linked to the NRHP document; i just pasted a draft reference from the Elkman NRHP infobox generator into the article and adapted it

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Another thought: Once you've copied the references into the new article, I'd be happy to have the references removed from the county list, to make those lists load faster and not have such huge lists of references at the end. I'd like the text itself left in the county list, so a reader can quickly

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agree that new starts are a step in the right direction, and it's a bit annoying as a reader to go to a page and find less information there. Don is right: I'd rather spend my time writing missing summaries and adding references, so I'm happy to have you expand the summaries into starts of articles.

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and perhaps other NRHP county list-articles, but you haven't included the description and sources in the NRHP list-article. It is like you are splitting out new articles, with less content than in the source, and it seems disrespectful to how other Wisconsin NRHP editors have chosen to proceed over

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Thanks Jeff the quiet for commenting. To be clear, you would start with the copy-and-paste, but then you will probably want to edit/expand on that. The list-article summaries are just that, summaries, often with sentence fragments. And Packersfansam, you have been bringing other sources to bear,

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Don, well said. Sam, I'm happy to have my summaries copied verbatim into new articles. Outside of Milwaukee, Waukesha and Dane counties, I've written 98% of the summaries that exist for Wisconsin, so you don't need to do much analysis of article history to be pretty sure a summary was from me. I

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FYI, I added a bit more to several more of your new articles. I think you did make an effort to include what was in the corresponding list-article already, thanks. I was able to add a few references to the online NRHP nomination documents which are available for some of them. Those weren't cited

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Also you are including links to private, commercial website www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com, which is a copy of the National Park Service's data. I personally would simply remove from your articles. I prefer the NRIS reference from the NRHP infobox generator, which refers to the National

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about proper attribution for copying within Knowledge, which recommends using, in edit summary "copied content from ]; see that page's history for attribution" Especially if Jeff the Quiet agrees, that is what I think should be done. And I believe Jeff the Quiet wants for the pages to be created

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But mainly you would just select the description text with its included footnote(s) (which is of extraordinarily good quality in Wisconsin NRHP list-articles), and probably you would delete the rest. In your edit summary it would be nice if you would acknowledge the source, i.e. use edit summary

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After glancing up at your talk page I see that someone informed you that the political graveyard should not be treated as a reliable source, so I assume that's why you converted it from a reference to an external link. This is a good reason for using edit summaries, it would've saved me a bit of

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You would be inserting that into the starter material you get from the Elkman infobox generator. It includes a perfectly good well-formed reference to the NRHP document in this case. Optionally, also if the infobox doesn't already include any coordinates (as sometimes happens), this gives you

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All the better that you are familiar with the issue. I too have professional experience with plagiarism issues, and came to understand that plagiarism is when less credit is given than is due, and what is particularly bad is taking credit for your personal benefit. I personally use direct

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Charles was a son of Elisha Smith, founder of Menasha Wooden Ware, and expanded, modernized, and diversified the company when he took over. For his second wife, Smith got the town of Warner renamed ], and after Charles died, that wife married the silent movie actor ], who retired to the

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already in the list-articles, actually. It is irritating to me that they're not available for all, but they are very good and are available for some, and sometimes can be found by clicking on the NRHP reference number in the list-article or in the NRHP infobox of a new article.

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with the base text plus more, and does not himself want to produce the pages, and wants for you to go ahead, as I do. If you proceed with doing what everyone wants, and it is legal (not copyvio) and it is with appropriate credit, then it is just good to do. --

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Yeah, I was going by what was written on the Wisconsin Historical Society's website, but having carefully re-read their wording, I guess it could be taken either way as to whether the house is actually in the district or just on the outside of it.

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a few years. Could you possibly please consider how this looks, in terms of cooperating with others? :) It sort of seems like you can be hurting readers, who are tricked into going to the stub article which has less than the list-article. --

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I can try doing something like this, at least to a certain extent. I come from a job where I have to be diligent about plagiarism, so copying and pasting sections, even in instances when it's perfectly fine, tends to feel foreign to me.

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Howdy. Assuming you're the fellow who creates all the Wisconsin politician bio articles. Why do you keep putting one line at the top, then have a Biography section, with the rest of the article after it? That's not the correct format.

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I tried but actually wasn't able to add very much. I did add an NRHP document source to the Geenen house one, which could be used to expand the article more. Hope this hasn't been a bother. That's all for me, for now.

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Does this seem workable? Really it is just cutting and pasting one thing, and it does save you from cutting and pasting the photo file name from elsewhere, and I hope you might try it and see if it works for you.

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coordinates for the article (it is a bit of a bother, but you could take the lat= and lon= items and compose an infobox line: |coordinates={{coord|44.190556|N|88.445|W|display=inline,title}}

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Hope you don't mind my making suggestions this way. Please don't sweat it if any of this is a bother. The main thing is that you're helping build coverage, keep up the good work! cheers, --

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When you're editing, maybe this means having an extra window or two open. For the Charles R. Smith House, you would hit "edit" on the list-article, and copy-paste the following:

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you removed, without explanation, a notable person from the above article. I have restored the link and mention. If you think I've made a mistake, let me know - thanks!

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Hmm. I personally don't mind super-short stub articles that have some sourcing at least. It's just that you have started multiple new articles, apparently working from

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Park Service's database. Your links to landmarkhunter seem more worthwhile because, while that also has a copy of NPS info, it also seems to provide a photo somehow.

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a bit, and included a quote and a bit more from the document. I do think it helps readers to give them access to the document and its 41 accompanying photos. :) --

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too. You would be adding value, not merely copy-pasting! About refining the list-article summaries why don't we talk about that at

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like "create page, including text from ]", although I don't think you have to do that, you could just say "create page" instead.

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Thank you. I've improved the layout and added an infobox. Are you able to find his date of death please? I think it may be 1917.

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new article you created, there was a corresponding entry in the county list-article with a Wisconsin Historic Society source (

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It was include in a source listed elsewhere. I've re-worded things a bit so the reference works for this info as well.

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Okay, I've made additional changes where it seemed necessary. I've also sent a message to The Political Graveyard.

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Sam -- An IP had removed the references that were in the article a few months ago. I added them back in. --

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Howdy. Just a friendly reminder, to format those article intros correctly, when you're creating them :)

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