Talk:Dwarf planet/Archive 1

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to reduce the number of newly discovered planets, including Pluto, which has been discovered about seventy years ago (1930), As follows: Under the new rules, a planet must meet three criteria: it must orbit the Sun, it must be big enough for gravity to squash it into a round ball, and must have cleared other things out of the way in its orbit. The Solar system, therefore, will maintain its original size. The "classical" Planets are: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. These are the final eight members of the Solar system. Pluto has been excluded as a "dwarf" planet. This "new" astronomical concept of the Solar system, is based on the traditional model of the Solar system, upon the heliocentric conception, adopted, in the second half of the second millennium (XVI century) by Copernicus, Galilei and Kepler 500 years ago. This archaic point of view, leading to the theory of classical understanding the principal astronomical laws, built up the Solar system, as seen by the observations the orbit of the planets and satellites. My new updated proposition for understanding the composition of the Solar system, based upon modern astrophysics, is as follows: There are three groups of satellites around our Sun: The first one - the four giant gaseous "sub-stellar" satellites, namely: Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Each of those satellites, like the Sun, is composed mainly of low density hydrogen and has greater volume then any other planet. They have rings around them, planet-sized satellites and small debris circling around them. ! The second group is composed of so called “Real Planets”, which are made of solid dense material. Their volume is about several thousand Kilometer in diameter (The planet Earth and Pluto also belong in this group). The third group is composed of small homogenous debris in the Kuiper Belt and other rings, such as the Asteroid Belt. Comets also belong to this group. Michael Popper, Taverne, Switzerland

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heard about this neighborhood thing, I thought they were going to say that Pluto fails the test because other objects in the Kuiper belt infringe on its orbit, which would make sense. But saying that it fails because of its relationship with Neptune does not make sense, or at least I have not yet heard a satisfactory explanation. I also am wondering about the wisdom of the designation "dwarf planet," when none of the stated criteria have to do with size. What are they going to do if (when?) they find a Kuiper belt (or other trans-Neptunian) object that has not "cleared its neighborhood" but is larger than Mercury? Then they would have a "dwarf planet" that is larger than one of the classical planets. It is unlikely that such an object exists, but then again, when I first learned about the planets (in the early 60's), there was no moon of Pluto, most of the moons of the gas giants were unknown, Saturn was the only ringed planet, and the Kuiper belt was an unsubstantiated theory. Even two years ago, no Kuiper belt object larger than Pluto had been discovered, and now one has. Who is to say that there definitely isn't one larger than Mercury?

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interested in physical aspects of the body proper. Eurasia is part of plate tectonics topic, continents aren't plates, Europe is a continent. that's why they (politians et al) can do the same for Pluto. Like someone said, the IAU can even vote to declare Pluto as a banana split. Should we (the world) accept it? too many?! There are much more stars than sand on Earth. it is the universe we live on. Pluto is a dwarf planet. Ok. Yesterday I told some friends that Pluto was no longer a planet, you can guess the answer, they though I was crazy. But don't focus on plutinos and the cubewanos (please!) and all that new kind of categorizations that is not really used broadly, articles on planets/moons and dwarf planets should focus on the object itself and little on other things that some astronomers like. If not, Pluto is also a planet.--

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self-contradictory and thus useless. I write software (six years on NASA research funding so far), and I consider this an example of namespace polution. My parser would throw a fit if I tried to pass it a piece of code so poorly written. I'm just sticking to calling all bodies large enough to be round by their own gravity yet smaller than brown dwarfs, planets. If they happen to be in close orbit with another planet such that their barycenter is beneath the surface (where is Jupiter's surface again?), then I'll call it a moon, even though it is still also a planet. They really jumped the gun on this one, but hopefully the controversy sparked will force a better understanding of physical reality. Seriously, should an electron be called a 'dwarf electron' if it hasn't 'cleared it's neighborhood'?!

415:: Your concern was raised at the general assembly of the IAU but negated by those responsible. My interpretation/explanation: Neptune DID clear its neighbourhood (partially during its accretion phase, but also later when it - probably - migrated radially outward, at that time probably by resonance sweeping). The result: objects remaining after Neptune's creation in its neighbourhood were either ejected out of the solar system, moved further inside or outside. Some, Pluto most probably one of them, were trapped (by "resonance-trapping") inside so-called mean-motion resonances (in the case of Pluto in the 3:2-resonance). What further proof of Neptune's ability to "clear" (other drafts of the resolution preferred the word "dominate") its neighbourhood is needed? 330:: I think that the statement that Charon is excluded from the group of dwarf planets is not correct. The definition of 'dwarf planet' rests on four conditions, the first three of which Charon clearly fulfills. The fourth one, i.e. "not being a satellite", is less clear. But as the barycentre of the Pluto/Charon-system is outside of the primary, I believe that Charon IS a dwarf-planet or at least is not yet assigned to any group (either dwarf-planet or small solar system object). Actually this barycentre-condition was included in the draft resolution. Its removal didn't exactly make things clearer for Charon, but Charon's status is definitely not clear, yet. I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion. CalRis. 735:" Stern and Levison found a gap of five orders of magnitude in Λ between the smallest terrestrial planets and the largest asteroids and KBOs." I don't know what Levinson's take on the matter is, but Stern has been very critical of the current 'definition of a planet' scheme. Soter may be using Stern's formula as a planet-defining scheme (and certain members of the IAU may be using Soter's criteria as the basis for IAU regulations) but that doesn't make Stern someone arguing "for a distinction between dwarf planets and the other eight". In fact Stern supported and supports a definition of planet based solely on hydrostatic equilibrium, similar to that of the original draft proposal to the IAU. -- 1157:

poodle. (This does not, of course, apply when they are merged into a single word - e.g. a greenhouse is not a house.) However, the new IAU definition says that a dwarf planet is not a planet. Maybe the IAU could end the controversy, which I suspect is not going to go away in the near future, by rescinding just a little bit and allowing a dwarf planet still to be a planet as well. (I know there are existing violations of this rule - a Bombay duck {Mumbai duck??} is not a duck, Scotch woodcock is not a woodcock - but it would surely be better to avoid introducing new ones.)

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itself. I guess there is significance for finding life or colonizing in the awefully far future. But I am not entirely sure that non-dominant "dwarf planets" would always tbe subject to that frequent of collision. The deceptive thing about much longer period orbits with some junk still in the zone is that it takes forever for object to interact. Thus Pluto probably sufferes less frequent major events than the Earth. Stability is stability regardless of how clean the zone.

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been noted by many planetary scientists that there are really only 8 planets which dominate their area, while there are many more, which are planet-like but arent unique by any means, and often sharing orbits with other planetoids and asteroidal matter. This distinction is what the resolution was tryin to achieve... a defining point between the "planets" which dominate their surrounds, and the "planets" which while being planet-like do not. Its funny you say that because

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and not include objects like 2003 AZ84, 2005 RN43, 2003 MW12, 1996 TO66, or even Chaos. Those error bars are quite large and the small differences in estimates become somewhat meaningless at that point. I wouldn't be opposed to a list of candidates and a separate list of objects which may turn out to be dwarf planets but for which much more information is needed. That may be too crystal-ballish for wikipedia, though. --

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science, so they don't care that much. More importantly, it was the IAU that wanted to keep Pluto a planet, so your complaint should be directed at the world's astronomers, not the IAU. It was the astronomers who re-wrote the proposal so it would fit what they've been saying for years. And it makes sense. Pluto never belonged with the planets; read any high school science textbook and you'll understand why. --

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image you link to just appears to a haphazard guess as to what bodies fit the IAU definition. There is apparently no access to the IAU's supposed "planet watchlist", and I'm not at all sure that such a document exists other than in hypothetical terms. Anyway, if you want to delete UX25 and TC302 be my guest; but you may have to argue it out with the people who added those candidates. :)

1803:És teimoso. You know there's no such statement. But there is no statement that says "Ceres is an asteroid", but there is the strong "Ceres is a dwarf planet", besides "asteroids" were never an official category, asteroids were "minor planets", now "small bodies of the SS". Asteroids have no media attention like Planets. Noone cares if the asteroids loose a member. 476:

its orbit, and if it was a real planet it would have been big enough to absorb those objects as it was forming, or at least capture them as satellites. Or at least that is what the IAU appears to be saying, and it seems logical. Neptune and Pluto do not share an orbit, Pluto just happens to get closer to the Sun than Neptune does at times.

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424 is not a majority. Read the BBC article and you will understand what I mean. Here is a quote from the article, its very enlightening Alan Stern agreed: "I was not allowed to vote because I was not in a room in Prague on Thursday 24th. Of 10,000 astronomers, 4% were in that room - you can't even claim consensus. Opinion by Magnum Serpentine

667:"This definition demotes Pluto from a planet to a dwarf planet because it has not cleared the neighborhood of its orbit (the Kuiper Belt)." Can someone clarify this sentence? In what sense is the word "clear" being used here? It would also be helpful to say what an "orbit neighborhood" is, at least until someone writes that article. 870:

the top researchers in the field. Right now, our list is the unofficial speculation of the wikipedia community. I think the first two choices are much more appropriate. I am just one of the many nonexperts attracted to these pages by the recent press. I'd rather see this call made by a few of you more regular types. --

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told his statements on the subject of clearing the neighborhood have contradicted things he's published in the past. My guess is that he expects the "demotion" to effect his funding for the Pluto mission and he thinks he can keep interest in it by generating publicity. It's probably a wise decision in his situation. --

3411:"Q: What is Ceres? A: Ceres is (or now we can say it was) the largest asteroid, about 1000 km across, orbiting in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Ceres now qualifies as a dwarf planet because it is now known to be large enough (massive enough) to have self-gravity pulling itself into a nearly round shape." 1058:. Although smaller than many moons, it is much larger than most asteroids - indeed its moon Charon is larger than Ceres. And at least some Kuiper belt objects are still larger even if they are not nearly as large as Mercury or even the biggest moons of the gas giants. "Mesoplanet", as I emphasised above, indicates 3120:

I wondered how the different POV's which we all know from the newsmedia are sketched in this article. But as far as I can see the "unofficial" POV is not mentioned at all: only the recent majority-vote POV is mentioned. This despite the fact that the term was certainly not recently invented nor is it

2994:? If that is what you are saying I don't believe you. Even If you were writing a scientific paper about dwarf planets my guess is that you'd state the full official name once, and then use the colloquial name for the rest of the paper. There is obviously more of a problem with naming the Eris article 2964:

As a planetary astronomer, I am biased, but the full designation is needed in many cases to remove ambiguity. Ceres, Eris, etc, are all mythological figures, so we would need rename all of the pages to something like Ceres (dwarf planet), Eris (dwarf planet), etc. Even that doesn't cover all cases,

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If there are currently no such objects that makes it a little more difficult. However, given we have plenty of articles on whole designations for which no known objects exist, it would seem we should logically mention (if we have sources) what sorts of extra-solar objects discovered in the future the

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No because the new definition as voted on by the IAU explicitly states that a dwarf planet must be in orbit around the sun. There is no mention of extrasolar bodies in new definition so this term should not apply to extrasolar objects. See "The sun or a star" section of this page for justification.

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Yes Dwarf Planet seems a poor choice of terms by the IAU because minimum planetary mass varies with orbital distance (and solar mass too). Thus we could potentially find distant dwarf planets in our own system bigger than the Earth. At sufficient distance around a massive star a Jupiter mass would be

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Red links should never determine these things. It looks like 400-500 km might turn out to be the cutoff for roundness for ice composition and 800-900 km for rocky composition. I've seen 800 km bounced around a lot and I think would represent the conservative estimate. 600 is another figure that is

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The size of the orbit doesn't matter. However, in Pluto's case the eccentricity and obliquity of its orbit do matter. I don't know (nor do I feel like doing the math) if the obliquity of Pluto's orbit will ever bring it close enough to Neptune for the issue to really matter, though. (obviously, if

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Could someone explain the context to the size? It's probably explained on other pages, but as stated on this page, it might strike the reader as an arbitrary cut-off (whereas the roundness criteria was at least based on objective physical properties). Pluto is very different in composition from the

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started being discovered). In fact Pluto lacked a minor planet number until this year, when it formally became cataloged as number 134340. The result is that Pluto has traditionally been described without a number (if only because it lacked a number). The time has come to change that, but the old

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don't confuse planetary scientists with the broader "astronomer". I don't think most planetary scientists agree with this definition, but that's what I think. "clearing the neighbourhood" is something a planetary scientist will never think of for definition of a planet. Planetary scientists are most

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We are in process of discovering exoplanets and broadly speaking, exo-objects around other star systems. Sooner or later, more likely sooner, we will discover "exo-dwarf planets" along already discovered "exoplanets". Lets leave separate page for Solar system dwarf planets and for general definition

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As there is, as yet, no official lower bound; as none even of the larger candidates has yet been accepted as a dwarf planet; and as a very long list of objects with very uncertain sizes would be confusing, I think it's best to confine the list to the few largest candidates. Most of these are listed

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in Earth's orbit. But they survive only because they have a stable resonance with the major body. By the same token, Pluto is in a 3 to 2 resonance with Neptune, as are some other bodies out there. Whereas the Kupier Belt objects seem to coexist without having much effect on each other. That, I'd

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article, Pluto and Neptune don't actually "share" an orbit anyway, so I do not understand why the "cross" with Neptune means that Pluto has not cleared the neighborhood of its orbit. I also agree that if Pluto has not "cleared the neighborhood," it is difficult to see how Neptune has. When I first

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In light of this, I call for a "stop work" on the subject of so-called Dwarf Planets and a revert of all Planet articles back to before this vote was taken. It is very clear that they waited, at least in my opinion, till only a majority of Pro-Dwarf Astronomers were left before they took their vote.

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as to skin the cat. I do not have any special interest in this field, but this Knowledge article before by small addition/explanation could imply that the lambda parameter is as established as the gravitational constant. Just wanted to encourage editors to look for alternative models/papers. Or, to

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The reason this problem has aroused was the discovering the new trans-Plutonian planet as Xena and many other "icy balls" in outer Solar system in the so called Kuiper Belt. To stop this "inflation" in the planet population, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) decided, in its Prague meeting,

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No. The term asteroid was not deprecated by the IAU, and was not the subject of their vote. Asteroids still exist. You need to try to understand that objects can easily belong to more than one category. Pluto is a dwarf planet. It is also a Kuiper belt object. It is also a plutino. Ceres is a

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The "IAU watchlist" is not a verifiable source, as it has never been published. It is doubtful whether an artist's interpretation qualifies as a source. In any case the Possible Dwarf Planets table is just that -- a table of objects that might, given the criteria, be classified as dwarf planets.

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plus Charon and minus Vesta, Pallas, and Hygiea, but discuss those. Those are really the only remotely official dwarf planet candidates listed anywhere. I don't see that we can justify 2002 UX25 and 2002 TC302 which were excluded from the IAU's list presumably due to uncertainty about their sizes

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article has been started, and it has a tag on it saying that an expert's help is needed. And it is, but the article is a start. It turns out, anyway, that Neptune has nothing to do with any of this. Pluto has not cleared the neighborhood of its orbit because other Kuiper belt objects infringe on

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There is a mathematical yardstick that says the farther out you are and the slower you move -- the bigger you need to be as a planet to clear all the space junk from your orbital path. Oh let's not forget the bigger you are the bigger the orbital zone you are expected to clear. However that is just

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The difference between the planets and dwarf planets by planetary discriminant (ie. their mass compared to the mass of all other objects in their path) is several order of magnitude different than the dwarf planets, techinically Ceres has actually cleared its area the most out of the dwarf planets,

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And what of those who had to leave and were calling for a vote before the last day? I believe if they knew the vote was coming they would had at least arranged to put off the vote. However, since they did not put off the vote, and they left, that leads one to suspect that they were either misled to

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The numbers are roughly equal - several hundred on each side - and insufficient to be of more value than just that of a poll. Note that this doesn't liberate this article from the obligation to describe all notable opinions, especially within that same organisation. Thus one or two sentences about

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The parentheses option (i.e. putting "Ceres (dwarf planet)" is only second in the list. In addition, both dwarf planets and SSSB fall under the category of "minor planets", as evidenced by the IAU/MPC's handling of the number system. Furthermore, the existence of redirects and disambiguation pages

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is fine. Re-direct pages can be made for all the various designations, but I think we should go with the simplest possible name for each body, not the most "officially correct" (whatever that means). For many asteroids, comets and even stars the simplest name will infact be a designation code, but

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Having the numbers in the name is superfluous for anyone but an astronomer. This is not an encyclopedia for astronomers, but one for the general public. The full designation should be listed somewhere in the article, but the article should use the name that people, and the general news media, use.

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Pluto handily beats the other uses of its name in name recognition right now. Therefore "Pluto" goes straight to the dwarf planet instead of a disambiguation page. The same can't be said for Ceres and Eris at present. The reason for the number is that it is a (the) technically correct name that

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The main problem with the first draft (this is not my opinion btw) was that it was too open, it allowed what could possibly be hundreds of objects to be classified as planets, when only a tiny fraction of those were planets in any real sense (be that by perspective, or physical properties). It has

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I echo C-squared's thinking/ The article is currently not too long, and this information may not be enought to stand as its own article, except as a stub. In the meanwhile the information should remaine here .As we discover other exo-objects that fit witin the other article, it can be expanded, so

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Pluto was demoted because cutting edge research suggests we may be finding tens or hundreds of "dwarf planets" in the coming years. While there may only be three right now, it's just a matter of time before there's thirty. Let the page be, if it was merged back here it would end up getting its own

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Just because some body in orbit around the sun is classified as an Ice Dwarf does not guarentee that it is a Dwarf Planet. Just because what we have currently found to be Ice Dwarves also (for the most part) happen to be Dwarf Planets, does not mean that all of the Ice Dwarves that we find in the

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The new definition for dwarf planets only addresses objects around our sun. If you use the generic star then any larger than Mercury extrasolar objects are immediately classified as dwarf planets but this was not addressed in the new definition. I think it should say the sun and not a star which

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The whole section is unofficial and unpublished. The key is that the objects in the image I linked to represent the unofficial speculation of an official committee charged with making a proposal. Brown's website represents his unofficial speculation, but it's the unofficial speculation of one of

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a number that is pulled out of the hat, but given the uncertainties it's no better or worse than 600 or 800. It just also happens to be a dividing line at which the Brown list you point to, and the very different figures used on Knowledge, happen to nearly agree. The "candidate 12" press release

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was just removed from the list of possible dwarf planets. It's one of the 45 on Brown's informal list but is certainly less well understood than many other objects and there are probably larger objects not included. Again, what are the criteria we're using to determine inclusion into this list?

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knew about the vote several weeks in advance and I'm just a lowly textbook editor. Anyway, the vote was something like 150 to 250, so where are these hundred astronomers who cared so much and yet were too busy to schedule their trip accordingly? The fact is most astronomers don't work in planetary

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Bah, they knew the rules. They chose not to participate. They're mad because they don't understand the basis for the decision. Once they start reading the papers that have been written over the past decade and a half, they'll change their minds. So far, Stern's the only one who's spoken up and I'm

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I think the most common usage for these dwarf planets will be simply by their names: Ceres, Pluto, Eris, and the others that are to follow them into this category. If the mythological figure on which they are based is obscure enough (such as perhaps Sedna and Quaoar if they are elevated to dwarf

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bah. Yes, asteroids still exist, but Ceres isn't one any longer. I know people in wikipedia like the "plutinos" and the "cubewanos" a lot, but that's not a reason. Kuiper belt and Asteroid belt (their locations) are enough, and not ambigious like that categorization, that is most probably biased.

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on Mike Brown's website plus discussion of the asteriods listed as candidates in the earlier definition (Vesta, Pallas, and Hygiea) might be the best approach to the candidate section of this page. Right now it seems thrown together as people find wikipedia articles that list diameters that they

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Good article, the division between Planets and Dwarf planets is very questionable. By that criteria Earth and even Jupiter are dwarf planets O.O and obviously Neptune. None of these planets had cleared their neighbourhood. Besides, the fact one has neighbours does not mean you are not a person. I

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the first draft was, it is not now. I think planetary scientists should also form a proper international association and make their own definition: "The cism of planetary science" eheh. IMO, only planetary scientist should have a say on what's a planet. Or, in the other hand, turn this into real

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There is another reason that, in my view, "dwarf planet" is a bad choice of name. Generally, in English (and, I would guess, in any language that has nouns and adjectives), if you attach the adjective B to the noun A, the result is still an example of A. So, for instance, a toy poodle is still a

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Frankly it is clear that faster orbits and bigger planets have advantages during planetary accretion in clearing orbits closer to the stars -- but that is not a sign of different mechanics than "dwarf planets" nor is it the only definition of stable enough for life. The very reasons Pluto hasn't

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I think most planetary scientists do agree with the definition (hence why it passed the vote). clearing its orbit has everything to do with the characteristics of a planet, as it suggests a different path of "planetary growth" (via accretion) than these other objects which have become under the

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Re: "Oppose" #2: Leaving aside the technical inability of current planet detection methods to detect ordinary terrestrial-sized planets, let alone "dwarf planets", the term "dwarf planet" has been defined by the IAU for the Solar system -- for extrasolar systems nothing has been defined at all.

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As far as the actual change, the most useful aspect of the new IAU definition is to clarify orbital domainance and to state that planetiod formation in that orbital zone is essentially over. This almost sounds like more of an orbital zone characteristic than a characteristic of the orbital body

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This means that the Solar System consists of eight "planets" Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. A new distinct class of objects called "dwarf planets" was also decided. It was agreed that "planets" and "dwarf planets" are two distinct classes of objects. The first

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I see your point, but the orbital dominance model seems to be the model the new planetary definitions are built around, it should get the attention of this article, though perhaps a short paragraph at the end outlining that this is not the only model, but the base of the current definition? --

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I totally meant what I wrote but it seems that everybody is on the same page with a dwarf planet orbiting the sun. I was just saying if you use just the generic star we may not know the neighborhood of an extrasolar object. This therefore means an object larger than Mercury that may not have

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needs a citation, and the term "near round" properly defined. AFAIK, Ceres is barely round enough to recieve planetary status. However, I recall reading in another article that any planet less than 500miles across would not be spherical enough to be a planet, hence the official word of only 12

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have orbital characteristics much more akin to the eight "classical" planets than does Pluto: indeed they have lower eccentricities than Mars and very low inclination. Thus, it is misleading to classify a body like Ceres in the same group as Pluto and other Kuiper belt objects. (Interestingly

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As I understand it, when planets pass through their orbit they essentially "pull" asteroids and other small bodies in and thus remove them from the orbit. That's what is meant by "clearing" the orbit. Pluto, on the other hand, is too small and its orbit too large; its orbit is not clear of

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I'm going to remove the flag as I think that all the substantive objections have been addressed. It seems to me that the other objections are matters of idiosyncratic interpretation and opinion, and that the article is being criticized not for original research, but for failing to be POV.

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I am sure the actual reasons for the change are many to include: actual naming credit (fame and the selling of names in the catalog - just like comets), changing definitions to help planet formation theories (i.e. dwarf planets be a different category of data we can mostly ignore), easier

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Yes, this is exactly the problem with the IAU definition. Hopefully it will be refined at their next convention. Many planetary scientists are refusing to acknowledge the current IAU definition as it is heliocentric in its specific mention of the Sun, and the language is intrinsically

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influence of the larger (and thus more gravitationally dominant) planets. I wont continue due to michaelbusch's nonsoapbox comment above but ill leave you with one thing: Should our science be driven by popular opinion or scientific theory? I know which id prefer :) --

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Now I see the original table was changed from just table of dwarf planets to the "Table of planets and dwarf planets in the solar system", this is attempt to represent planets and dwarf planets as somehow almost equal, while there is clear distinction between those two

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be a problem, and while that might be true, I think it's a preemptive strike against what's currently a non-problem. The table itself is not strong enough to stand alone as an article in its current form. Knowledge is an organic, evolving beast, and common sense says

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I really do not believe anything is ‘official’ as a whole in this still on-going debate redefining Pluto (and the justification the existance of this definition). To call this stuff ‘official’ is pure POV conjecture. Nonprof. Frinkus 08:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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While the number isn't the common name, it has just been established, so how can it be the common name? Also, I rarely hear anyone call Ceres "1 Ceres". That having been said, I am in support of including the numbers, as it is the official name. Being a part of

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The phase "dwarf planet", coined for bodies like Pluto after the discovery of other Kuiper belt objects, is really rather misleading when one considers the many small, rocky bodies that orbit the Sun. "Dwarf planet" suggests a tiny body orbitting a large star.

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I'm not opposed to a separate article for Solar system dwarf planets including those in other star systems but this information should be kept here and can be changed later as the other page fills up per new discoveries, and/or if this page becomese too large.

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The "draft proposal" and "outcome of the vote" diagrams at the end of the article contain some light cyan text on a white background, which is virtually unreadable. I suggest that the diagrams use text colors that have more contrast from the background.

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needs to be at the beginning the article that also serves to disambiguate. If Pluto fades into obscurity in the future such that Roman Hades and/or Mickey's dog are equally well-known usages, then Pluto would also warrant a number to disambiguate. --

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no, it was excluded, and that had strong opposition. We know enough of Charon to classify it as a dwarf planet, but it does not fullfil the criteria, and it is a satellite of a dwarf planet, Pluto this one is a Dwarf because it wounders in the Kuiper

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You're correct that it's a waste of time. I'd actually thought that my edits were maintaining the original version, but now that I look back through the history it's hard to determine which came first. Anyways, as you suggested, it's not a big deal.

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You might have a case, but we really can't determine the proper definition, we can only report on what a scientific body has done. The one problem with asteroids like Ceres and Vesta is that they are "shepherded" by Jupiter, and to an extent Mars.

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The "dethronement" of planet Pluto from its position, as the outermost planet in our Solar system, evoked a sensational storm, not only in the astronomical society, but in the whole scientific community around the world and beyond, pro and contra.

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Most important Knowledge articles are either already too long or on their way to getting there. As most of us know, excessive article length contributes to slow loading and other technical problems. Leave as is with emphasis on link to table.

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four planets that come before it... is the Mercury cutoff an approximate guess at where that transition might occur in other solar systems? Or is it simply a conservative definition that makes the smallest possible change to textbooks? --

783:, so perhaps "digging-place of dwarves" is more accurate. It would be nice though if astronomers were inspired by the new term to start naming Kuiper Belt Objects after Tolkienian dwarves or dwarfs of mythology (Thorin, Ori, Bombur...:-). 3264:). Other models and opinions (on whether the physical parameters alone, without orbital consideration should be defining characteristics of dwarf, uber, inter … planets) should be added, and in the meantime, the existing text NPOV’ed with 3022:

where the body is not a point of confusion like the example between Europa and 51 Europa provided above. For example Pluto, Ceres, Eris... if you're talking planets there is no confusion about which giant space rock you're talking about.

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cleared its neighborhood would be considered a dwarf planet. It would really strange to call that object a dwarf planet when it is a very large object and possibly bigger than the Earth. -- Daniel Schibuk 11:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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For three entries this shouldn't be a seperate page. Even with double the entries it should be part of this page. Perhaps when (if) the number ever reaches an unmanageable size the page can be remade, but for now it's superfluous.

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was a small redundant stub about TNOs, with nothing about planets or plutons in it at all. I'm removing both merger requests and restoring "ice dwarf" to its pre-IAU state -- perhaps the TNO people will reconsider it in a few

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should contain only the list of dwarf planets, instead now after voting there are mixed "Planets" and "Dwarf planets" together. I fixed that error. Please learn to live with the fact that the "dwarf planets" are not "Planets".

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This article presents only one opiniated definition of planet vs dwarf planet, while we all know that a big disagreement exists about this matter. Purposefully omitting other notable POV's is definitely misinformation against

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Oh I see.... since there were only 424 members present for the vote, that makes the other 9500+ unhappy Astronomers eh? come next meeting, I suspect those who engineered this so-called Vote will be in for quite an awakening.

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Agree with your comments. They left out the details. Personal gut feeling? Charon is a satellite and Pluto/Charon is a binary. The article will be edited by hundreds editors or so in the next hour so I’ll leave them the job.

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Suggestions offered with no supporting reasoning are unlikely to be taken very seriously. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildas: ~~~~. Responding to your suggestion, I'd say that there could be a

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I now add such remarks as well as a link to the abovementioned article, and consequently I'll remove the NPOV banner. It's of course a matter of taste where such remarks fit best; the main point is to have them in there.

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I belive Charon is included as on of the inargural four dwarf planets. Most sources are reporting Charon as a dwarf planet, with it and Pluto being a binary planet. Should it be classified as a Plutino instead of a moon?

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planet), they should be placed by their name only. If a disambiguation is required then number-name is perferable to a parenthetical statement following the name because it is the official name of the object anyway. --

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used in news articles. For mass, 5x10^20 is being cited in news articles. 750 seems very arbitrary and just seems like a number pulled out of a hat that fits in the ranges. Personally, I think we should use the

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I can't seem to find any reference that states that this change is only being made to the English terms as the article claims. All German sources that I've checked seem to think that it applies to them as well.

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The IAU resolution was issued in English. Translations in a great many languages were made immediately afterwards. The IAU did not say how 'dwarf planet' should be translated into any particular language.

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Only covers the dwarf planets - {{dp|Pluto}} will link to ] at the moment - just in case it ever changes - but you wouldn't need to currently use the template for links to the Pluto article - it's just at

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Many recent edits have converted fulfil (UK) to fulfill (USA) and vice versa. Not only is this a waste of time, it is also against wiki policy (somewhere). Come on guys, surely life is too short for this?

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cleared its orbit means that collisions are rare in terms of life and colonization -- most everything in a wide orbital range is still moving more or less synchronously with Pluto for millions of years.

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The template can of course be amended if the naming convention changes e.g. if the IAU issues a new dwarf planet catalogue system - meaning that no links would have to be changed - just the template.

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believe the vote was put off or it was not going to happen... In any case It looks very much like the whole thing was engineered. We shall see next time this disrespectable organization comes together

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To the "u" out of neighborhood. I don't know if thats the English spelling (as apposed to the American spelling) as near as I could tell it was a misspell. Feel free to change if I was wrong.

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just discovered I'm a dwarf human, because I've neighbours. LOL. Really lame and precipitated decision, which will only blur things. That was not a scientific definition but a witch hunt. --

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PedroPVZ, there is no basis in either of the IAU resolutions for your claim that Ceres is "no longer an asteroid". Why did you put an "original research" deprecating flag on this article?

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Provide an official statement from the IAU that says, precisely, "Ceres is not an asteroid" or "Ceres is no longer an asteroid" and I'm sure everyone will be happy to change the article.

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They are just a few unhappy astronomers, they werent they, so they forfeit their right to vote. Until even mentions the possibility of a decision reversal, then no stop work is needed --

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But isn't an ice dwarf necessarily a dwarf planet, and thus a subcategory of dwarf planet, because they need be larger than comets, which would make them into dwarf planets anyhow?

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members of the "dwarf planet" category are Ceres, Pluto and 2003 UB313 (temporary name). More "dwarf planets" are expected to be announced by the IAU in the coming months and years.

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I'll leave the NPOV tags up as it may coerce an ethusiastic editor to find a reference to verify whether or not it is the IAU endorsed model of definiting oribtal dominance --

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Since Neptune has failed to clear the neighborhood in it's orbit of Pluto, by the stated defintion it is also a dwarf planet. They need to refine the definition a bit more.

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Concur: the term is official. NPOV should be put instead on Orbital domination section instead: it presents a single (while respectable, of course) model and opinion (see

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Are you honestly trying to tell me that while you're sitting around discussing dwarf planets over a cup of tea with other planetary astronomers, you actually use the term

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Erm, not quite sure what do do about it, but the current measurement for Ceres doesn't quite fit in a diameter catagory... Maybe list it as "at poles" and "around"?... -

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The following language that has been inserted implies that Stern and Levinson endorse the use of the "neighborhood clearing" criterion for defining planets: "Astronomer

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Its not fair to mix "Planets" and "dwarf planets" into one table and to call it "table of dwarf planets" and then as such merge it with the article Dwarf Planets. Page

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dwarf planets. Kind of like this: Jupiter is a planet. It is also a gas giant. UB313 is an SDO. It is also a TNO. Things can belong to more than one category.

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Added a basic explanation. Please keep in mind that a single point of view is presented here and a single model. Close to a violation of NPOV in my opinion.

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includes asteroids does not imply that all asteroids are small solar system bodies. In fact, the IAU definition of SSSBs precisely states that it includes "

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What does the new classification mean by stating that an object must be "in orbit around a star but ... not itself a star," and must not be "a satellite"?

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These can be used mid-article to provide links to the correct article titles, without using redirects and saving time writing minor planet numbers in.

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didn't want "ice dwarf" either, mostly based on the text of the article which misidentified the term with "pluton" -- although before the IAU frenzy

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I have made a mention of other theories in the orbital dominance section, any elaboration on this though should really be in the main article of

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No, it means precisely that, science needs a consistent and non-arbitary point to define things, Pluto didnt make the cut... goodbye Pluto... --

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Pluto did come close enough it would be cleared, probably not by accretion, but probably by being captured, or by being flung out into space).

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and the small "Pallas family" have quite Kuiper-belt like orbits in terms of eccentricity and inclination, but most large asteroids do not).

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Pluto was considered to be a planet until recently, although its status as a planet has been under increasing attack ever since 1978 (when

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I'll see if the original artist is willing to change the diagram and will suspend the diagrams out of the visible text for the time being.

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The first diagram is original reasearch. It puts Ceres in the border between Small body and Dwarf planet. Ceres is clearly a Dwarf planet.

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classification for purposes of life on other planets and space colonization (clear zone means vastly lower catastrophic collision rate).

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The three "round" asteroids and the KBOs listed are included in many pages which carry the news as "runner up" candidates, including

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of all dwarf planets, including those in Solar system and in other star systems. We will need also "exo-dwarf planet" page one day.

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I suspect you meant to say either "smaller than Mercury" instead of "larger than Mercury" or "planet" instead of "dwarf planet". --

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I think the caption needs to be changed. It isn't clear which is supposed to be Pluto... why are there two? What is the other? --

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because Ceres was an asteroid now a Dwarf planet. And there are 3 other asteroid that can be reclassified as Dwarf planets.--

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Hmm, it looks like no one mentioned here, that there is a new proposal for the naming of articles for the dwarf planets at

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of dominance have been actually endorsed by IAU. If this is the case, please just quote the source related to IAU. Regards

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Dwarf planets are dwarf because they did not cleared the region (neighbourhood) they live in that means, that instead of:

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That makes sense. Orbit neighborhood is pretty selfexplanatory then, I thought it might be a technical term or something.

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and is therefore not suitable for inclusion in the article. Because of this, further discussion is also not needed here.

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I removed km from the volume entry because only a ratio is displayed--unless someone has the actual volumes in km handy?

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That's fine - if indeed indicated as a term as introduced and used by a certain group of people. Let's make that clear.

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Is it possible to get a new picture of Pluto, maybe an artists conception? The current one looks like a disco ball. --

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If it's an object in orbit around a star, it is a satellite of that star. Is it referring to man-made satellites? -

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Hmm several people here want to have pluto with its original name and the two other dwarf planets with the numbers

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I would have supported either the 12 planet or 8 planet plan btw, as long as the defining point was consistent --

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was discovered and showed that Pluto is much smaller than originally thought) and more so since 1992 (when the

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The info should be here. I suspect there will be a lot of these in the future but we can deal with that then.

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It's British spelling (probably international spelling in this case) and was used in the original wording. --

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The IAU refers to the classifications without the hypen (and they are after all the guys who invented it) --

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That's enough. I think the IAU does't write for children. They just said Pluto, and Ceres are dwarf planets,

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No doubt when "a sufficiency" of these bodies is discovered, the term used will be "Star X's dwarf planets"/

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text in Possible Dwarf planets is not science, but fantasy or Original research at best. semi-spherical?!?!

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because there are a few duplicates in the catalog: Europa is both a moon (at Jupiter) and an asteroid (

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and one more question. I need a short explanation why Pluto doesn't need and other DPs need numbers??--

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than a star. If it's a satellite of a planet or dwarf planet, then it cannot itself be a dwarf planet.

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to describe dwarf planets, we should include that as an alternate term. The IAU are not omniscient.

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Please reword the first and fourth of these so that they do not appear to contradict each other.

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politics, because maybe tomorrow geologists will say Europe is a peninsula, not a continent. --

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I went back and incorporated all new information from that table into the one in this article.

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and the asteroids that were mentioned in the article are also mentioned by New Scientist here:

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Watchlist is not the same as the IAU watchlist that includes 12 bodies (including 3 asteroids)

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a dwarf planet. Perhaps the IAU will rethink the actual term used with this a recent change.

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According to space.com, there could be up to 53 dwarf planets according to the new definition

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There should be a category, but it clearly shouldn't replace the article. I will make one.

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for major bodies it doesn't seem necessary for codes to make up part of the article title.

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Some light on the mystery as to whether or not Ceres is still an asteroid: text from the

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matches the wording of the new definition. --Daniel Schibuk 20:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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commonly used name. For example, most people refer to a state route in Pennsylvania as

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Let's decide it here. (the decision made should have no exception - Pluto for example)--

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Looks like all dwarf planets have now been assigned with minor planet numbers. 1 Ceres,

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As far as I know, it's just fans of Isaac Asimov. But, is there something I don't know?

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article, too. I will merge it here. The encyclopedic article should be in the singular.

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I don't understand, we are waiting for the IAU to declare them dwarf planets, or...?--

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I agree that a definition is required, and I don't have one. As is explained in the

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that the table should be merged in here. Let's cross that bridge when we get there.

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habit is going to be hard to break. There are now related discussions going on at

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dwarf planet. It is also a main belt asteroid. What is so hard about that concept?

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If there are any similar extra-solar objects, they will inevitably be being called

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and others have argued for a distinction between dwarf planets and the other eight

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Thanks for this explanation. Perhaps the article needs to explain what is meant by

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The text was poorly worded, but was hardly fantasy, and could easily be reworded.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I think I see now, it can't be the "satellite of a dwarf planet". My mistake.--

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this shouldnt even be a vote. this is a diffent group of celestial bodies.--

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This doesn't seem to make sense. A dwarf planet can not be a dwarf planet?--

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general public and the IAU would likely count as extra-solar dwarf planets.

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To what extent is it possible to identify extrasolar dwarf planets yet?

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owned by any group. Thus for the time being, I put the NPOV marker.

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selected theoretical club for changing the definition of a planet.

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article which is where descriptions of failed proposals belong.

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page in a year or two anyhow... save someone else the time. ;P

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I think we should turn this article into a category. Discuss.

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should be included though it looks like all, if not, most are.

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methyl 3-benzoyloxy-8-methyl-8-azabicyclooctane-4-carboxylate

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planets. I can't find the article now but I'll keep looking.

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that, together with an appropriate link, are still lacking.

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because we have a new classification for a celestial body.--

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http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/iau0603/index.html

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future will also be able to be known under that title.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5283956.stm

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Why is it significant? 2302:http://skytonight.com/news/home/3707031.html 106:BBC article on the so-called vote by the IAU 1865: 3210:The term is used by all but a few people, 3130:The non-official POV is well mentioned in 2556:Offering a different planet classification 2143:Table_of_dwarf_planets_in_the_solar_system 1977:Table of dwarf planets in the solar system 1830:small planet + bigger minor planets -: --> 1056:is a much better fit for bodies like Pluto 829:Trans-Neptunian object#Largest discoveries 733:clear the neighborhood around their orbits 283: 623:"Clearing the neighbourhood of its orbit" 276: 2451:Talk:Candidate_planets#Merge_Suggestions 1313:Someone proposed a merge from icedwarf. 3452:Talk:Dwarf planet/Naming#A New Proposal 237:with even the worst of the main planets 14: 3142:controversy of the recent redefinition 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2396:is not and should be merged with the 2739:Indeed. Hope it's a bit better now. 1714:of the Solar System asteroids" and " 1400:I have now merged the material from 492:Being grammatical - "it's" = it is. 25: 3367:New Template for dwarf planet names 3261: 2645:is recognized (in conjunction with 1263:Exactly. I really think we need a 23: 1389:ought to be merged, instead, with 1054:"Mesoplanet" by comparison really 24: 3469: 2918:. But we chose to use the title 2773:...Small solar system bodies. --- 2271:Image:Three proposed planets.jpg 2260: 2180:, ever heard of the policy that 2048:As above and see comments below. 1867: 1718:Trans-Neptunian objects", which 1181:is not a satellite of a planet, 779:is supposed to reflect the word 29: 3446:Article Naming - a new proposal 3349:being rejected, I have started 3174:not the redefinition itself -- 2182:Knowledge is not a crystal ball 1868:File:Pluto artistimpression.gif 1286:Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley 1119:Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley 1068:Julien Peter Benney (luokehao) 954:The bulleted list above the TOC 549:Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley 3441:05:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC) 3393:00:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC) 3362:02:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC) 3317:12:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3298:12:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3285:12:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3273:12:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3255:11:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3245:22:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 3234:12:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 3219:12:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 3196:12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 3179:11:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 3162:11:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 3126:11:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3111:11:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC) 3089:18:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3072:18:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3049:17:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 3008:23:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2974:17:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2956:17:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2937:16:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2895:04:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 2879:15:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2845:10:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2826:03:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 2816:21:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2778:21:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2768:20:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2744:21:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2734:15:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2715:13:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2705:12:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 2684:23:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2673:13:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2662:12:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2635:12:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2624:11:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2615:11:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2605:11:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2595:11:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2570:16:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC) 2435:11:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC) 2250:13:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 2189:17:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC) 2151:13:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 2096:16:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 1834:remaining minor planets -: --> 946:19:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC) 890:08:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC) 794:List of possible dwarf planets 13: 1: 2947:article should be renamed as 2903:In favor of numbers included. 2698:five orders of magnitude in Λ 2551:16:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) 2530:22:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC) 2515:22:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 2491:22:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 2480:09:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC) 2462:02:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC) 2409:10:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC) 2378:08:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC) 2240:02:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC) 1961:02:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC) 1936:02:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC) 1299:12:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC) 1162:09:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC) 1145:02:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC) 1132:11:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC) 731:based on their inability to " 578:04:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC) 562:11:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC) 198:00:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC) 496:Shouldnt this be a category? 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