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something like that was discovered, and that he didn't care if people widened the definition of "planet", but also said that he thought it was important to make it really clear that there's a difference between dominant and non-dominant objects and that a Mars-sized inner Oort cloud object would not be dominant. I agree wholeheartedly with his position. :D
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Actually, I think Zach may be right. They are supposed to be small. But the IAU rejected a size limit to define planets (e.g. "Pluto or larger") as arbitrary, so they needed some other way to say the same thing that looked more scientific. They chose orbital dominance. But I wonder how important the
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Unexpected ring discovered around dwarf planet Quaoar. A kind of revolution has recently appeared in the field: another Kuiper belt object, Quaoar, hosts also a dense arc embedded in a continuous thinner ring, but that system lies outside Quaoar’s Roche lobe and thus should theoretically not exist.
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Mercury is a SSSB, but everyone ignores that and calls it a planet anyway. —
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