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between two slits, and the main object of court hearings is to make wave functions collapse. So, yes, I agree with both parts of the sentence but I don't see a strong connection between them. I think I would have been more happy with something like "perhaps because today's mathematics is generally not easily applicable to law." This is also harder to interpret as blaming the jurists for the fact. But having thought all this through a bit more, I think I should have left the sentence as it was, since this was about such a marginal point. My long explanation is merely to make you understand where my puzzling behaviour came from. --
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service and only "women" in connection with pregnancy and birth, how about children? How about a pregnant girl? How about boys of the same age? An interesting observation is that "men and women" is probably not exactly a union of two sets, because there are always border cases. At least in Germany they are solved by the state ascribing one of the two sexes to every citizen. But if our example text also applies to foreigners, then a hermaphrodite from a country with no such rules may be meant by neither "men" nor "women", but by "men and women".
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That's why I would speculate that a practically relevant mathematical foundation for legal logic would look radically different from what we know as logic. Perhaps it would have some similarities with quantum mechanics; perhaps a "yes or no" question to a witness is like forcing an electron to choose
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Good, that makes the article shorter. However I dispute your justification for the removal: my suggested reason had little to do with two values and everything to do with the relative lack of formal mathematics in law compared e.g. to business, economics, biology, even sociology. Are you claiming
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I think the sections on Venn diagrams, logic gates and laws would all profit from a short example that shows how a simple law can be applied to Venn diagrams and logic gates, and how another, slightly more complicated law (outside the scope of Venn diagrams, but we needn't talk about this) can also
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Since this is an "introduction", should there not be a least a mention of the practical use of boolean algebra? Even just the simple introductory phrase: "Boolean algebra forms the basis of digital electronics." The article does a find job with the Who, What, When and Where but says nothing about
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An important problem with formalising logic is the extreme context dependence of almost every word in a legal text. E.g., what does "all men" mean? Are women included? Foreigners? Slaves? Prisoners? In a text which mentions "men and women" in most places, but only "men" in connection with military
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I think there are technical reasons why an application of logic in law would be very hard, and my own speculation on the nature of "legal set theory" would be that a good solution to that is very likely not two-valued. The earlier cross-examination and organisation membership examples seem more or
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Hans, I appreciate both the positive feedback and your help with the article. Your suggestions were excellent and I think I've now managed to incorporate most of them into the article. I look forward to more good suggestions and edits from you, and from any other like-minded Wikipedians who feel
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Now the very moment the legislature decides to introduce the word "hermaphrodite" somewhere in the text, you need to reevaluate the entire text. (Provided you are still interested in the silly border case.) So much for German law, which is strongly influenced by the Napoleonic code and therefore
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The introduction should cover the more accessible aspects of Boolean algebra at an elementary level sufficient to give a usable idea of what Boolean algebra is about, with sufficient conceptual clarity and organization to allow the material to be conveyed by the reader to a third party without
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This article is intended as an introduction to Boolean algebra combining minimal prerequisites with maximal clarity. In view of the many subtopics in Boolean algebra dealing with its models, axioms, computational complexity, relationships to related systems such as propositional calculus and
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Every subtopic having its own article should be introduced however briefly in the introduction and related to the other subtopics, thereby providing the reader with the list of available subtopics and some preliminary insights into which if any might be sufficiently interesting as to be worth
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is that there should be no intricate reasoning, and ideally no huge conceptual hurdles either. StuRat and I may have different thresholds there, but I've been trying to lower my threshold down to his without compromising the organization I feel even an introduction can benefit from.
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This article does not discuss lattices, and I think that's good. There are so many facets that the best thing is probably to have a set of articles on Boolean algebras, Boolean lattices, Boolean rings and Stone spaces, each of which discusses one aspect, and at least one article like
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Ok, so deleting it was an improvement not only with regard to shortening the article but removing an evidently controversial claim that might point readers in a new research direction but doesn't add much to their overall comprehension of Boolean algebra.
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I can see the symbols for NOT and the other math symbols ok, but the AND and OR symbols show up as question marks in my browser. On the other hand, the AND and OR symbols on this discussion page (up and down carets) show up fine... what's going on?
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Excellent suggestion ledewise, ManFromTheFuture (did you or someone else manually edit your date to a nonexistent Feb. 29 2010?). I appended a sentence to the lede, how does it look, and when should we expect your reply?
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reference to notes or mindlessly repeating entire sentences. (Litmus test: does the article's overall conceptualization make it any easier for the reader to explain Boolean algebra at a cocktail party?)
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Heyting algebras, etc. it is expected that separate articles on those subtopics will emerge (a number already have), all of which should be able to assume this introduction as a prerequisite.
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for AND and OR; it's probably least confusing to a general audience. But when you try to apply it to a unary operation such as negation it becomes awkward, so perhaps we could drop that.
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to here, there is a substantial body of material there dealing with derivations and soundness/completeness. My current feeling is to allow
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continuing to be pitched at too high a level I would not have felt the need for a more elementary account so urgently. Thanks, StuRat! --
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to gradually turn into a repository for that sort of material, which is seriously technical and requires close study. The idea with
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into this article, as long as we make sure that the article stays as focused as it is now, especially at the beginning.
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That's fine with me. I will think about what to do with the material that is too applied to fit into your plan for
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Hmmmm, I have the same problem except my AND OR symbols show up as rectangles. Comment made on March 31 2010.
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Article-wise, did you not see the whole section headed "Applications"? Was that not enough "Why" for you? --
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like improving the shape of this article subject to its main premise that it be as introductory as possible.
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For a general audience it might be even better to replace the tables entirely by a list of 10 identities:
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In the section Diagrammatic representations, in the first diagram, the disjunction symbol looks like ^. (
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Thanks for any help, thought you'd wanna know that in some browsers your symbols are getting mucked.
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As to the truth tables, personally I would prefer the operations table style that StuRat is using in
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I should add that despite all the flak people have been giving StuRat, without his complaints about
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formal mathematics is used in law just as much as in these other disciplines? News to me. --
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relatively straightforward. With Common Law the context dependence becomes much greater.
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I just removed the following unsourced speculation from the material that came from
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No, I am only doubting the word "because" here (which, I realise, is guarded by
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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HEY! I can't see the symbols for AND and OR in this article! What's going on?!
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article being started, but seeing it in its current state I am glad that
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could perhaps be considerably shortened and merged into this article.
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While I like Hans' suggestion of moving section 3 (on Laws) of
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This should probably become the main article and be moved to
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One thing I like in particular is the way in which the
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Index

Talk:Boolean algebra
archive
current talk page
ArchiveĀ 1
ArchiveĀ 2
ArchiveĀ 3
ArchiveĀ 5
Vaughan Pratt
talk
20:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Boolean algebra
Vaughan Pratt
section "Operations"
Boolean rings
Boolean logic
Boolean algebra
Boolean algebra (structure)
Boolean algebras canonically defined
Boolean algebra (logic)
Hans Adler
talk
13:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Hans Adler
talk
Hans Adler
talk
00:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Boolean algebra (logic)
Vaughan Pratt
talk

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