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chariots in battle. Yet at the same time Nestor's advice is frequently ineffective. Some examples include Nestor accepting without question the dream Zeus plants in
Agamemnon in Book 2 and urging the Achaeans to battle, instructing the Achaeans in Book 4 to use spear techniques that in actuality would be disastrous, and in Book 11 giving advice to Patroclus that ultimately leads to his death. Yet Nestor is never questioned and instead is frequently praised.
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445:(where he has sought further information on his father's fate), urges Peisistratus to let him board his vessel immediately to return home rather than being subjected to a further dose of Nestor's rather overwhelming sense of hospitality. Peisistratus readily agrees, although ruefully stating that his father is bound to be furious when he learns of Telemachus's departure.
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675:. Translated by Goldwyn, Adam; Kokkini, Dimitra. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, London, England: Dumbarton Oaks Medieval Library. pp. 39, Prologue 517.
618:. Translated by Goldwyn, Adam; Kokkini, Dimitra. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, London, England: Dumbarton Oaks Medieval Library. pp. 39, Prologue 516.
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2119:Archelochus
2088:Amphimachus
2046:Thrasymedes
1996:Protesilaus
1961:Philoctetes
1924:Neoptolemus
1612:Halitherses
1403:Thrasymedes
1375:of Phaeacia
1315:of Phaeacia
1245:(swineherd)
1044:8/1: 21–58.
982:The Odyssey
917:The Library
913:Apollodorus
644:Bibliotheca
639:Apollodorus
227:Thrasymedes
174:Description
51:introducing
2563:Categories
2498:Hephaestus
2411:Pyraechmes
2401:Pylaemenes
2321:Othryoneus
2295:Melanippus
2227:Gorgythion
2109:Antiphates
2098:Andromache
2051:Tlepolemus
2026:Talthybius
2001:Prothoenor
1986:Polypoetes
1971:Podalirius
1914:Menestheus
1783:Ascalaphus
1778:Arcesilaus
1773:Antilochus
1607:Eurylochus
1575:Polyphemus
1522:Eurymachus
1502:Amphinomus
1497:Amphimedon
1348:Stratichus
1299:Antiphates
1257:(goatherd)
1255:Melanthius
1249:Philoetius
1239:(musician)
1195:Telemachus
1062:55: 17-38
907:References
829:0521281717
657:Pherecydes
651:on Homer,
536:0415156572
399:Telemachus
369:Antilochus
319:Trojan War
278:Adventures
267:Telemachus
255:Antilochus
243:Stratichus
204:Orchomenus
34:references
2579:Argonauts
2533:Scamander
2453:Aphrodite
2383:Polydorus
2373:Polydamas
2279:Kebriones
2274:Iphidamas
2249:Hyperenor
2217:Euphorbus
2196:Deiphobus
2164:Cassandra
2083:Alcathous
2036:Thersites
2021:Sthenelus
1991:Promachus
1951:Patroclus
1946:Palamedes
1888:Lycomedes
1872:Iphigenia
1866:Idomeneus
1845:Eurypylus
1840:Eurydamas
1835:Eurybates
1815:Elephenor
1805:(prophet)
1788:Automedon
1741:Agamemnon
1657:Charybdis
1647:Polydamna
1637:Mesaulius
1627:Kikonians
1597:Eupeithes
1582:Demodocus
1532:Perimedes
1512:Ctesippus
1449:Leucothea
1393:Idomeneus
1384:Agamemnon
1371:Princess
1338:Echephron
1275:(pet dog)
1251:(cowherd)
1233:(advisor)
1225:Eurycleia
1219:Autolycus
1179:House of
1094:85: 91–7.
1087:49:216-8;
1083:2.250-2”
956:The Iliad
899:1.247–253
878:: 17–38.
793:: 55–68.
587:Pausanias
412:Polycaste
365:Patroclus
329:Agamemnon
273:Mythology
251:Echephron
235:Polycaste
59:June 2019
2574:Neleides
2538:Thanatos
2528:Poseidon
2478:Dionysus
2437:Ucalegon
2421:Sarpedon
2389:Polyxena
2331:Panthous
2326:Pandarus
2264:Ilioneus
2254:Hypsenor
2212:Euphemus
2170:Chryseis
2154:Calesius
2139:Atymnius
2134:Astyanax
2114:Antiphus
2093:Anchises
2006:Schedius
1976:Podarces
1956:Peneleos
1940:Odysseus
1919:Meriones
1908:Menelaus
1883:Leonteus
1861:Ialmenus
1830:Euryalus
1809:Diomedes
1768:Anticlus
1747:Agapenor
1736:Achilles
1724:Achaeans
1667:Tiresias
1617:Heracles
1602:Euryalus
1570:Cyclopes
1565:Antiphus
1560:Anticlus
1550:Achilles
1507:Antinous
1459:Poseidon
1379:Laodamas
1373:Nausicaa
1358:Menelaus
1294:Phaeacia
1290:Alcinous
1269:(herald)
1261:Melantho
1215:(father)
1209:(mother)
1207:Anticlea
1203:(sister)
1189:Penelope
1181:Odysseus
1051:2009 in
721:Certamen
593:9.36.8;
502:See also
454:Poseidon
443:Menelaus
408:Pisidice
395:Odysseus
361:Gerenian
351:shield.
333:Achilles
315:Achaeans
304:Heracles
292:centaurs
288:Argonaut
259:Epicaste
231:Pisidice
219:Anaxibia
215:Eurydice
208:Polymede
107:Achilles
87:Hecamede
2468:Artemis
2406:Pylaeus
2378:Polybus
2368:Polites
2358:Phorcys
2347:Peirous
2342:Pedasus
2284:Laocoön
2269:Imbrius
2259:Iamenus
2244:Helenus
2222:Glaucus
2181:Clytius
2175:Chryses
2159:Caletor
2149:Briseis
2103:Antenor
2073:Aesepus
2060:Trojans
2016:Stentor
1981:Polites
1966:Phoenix
1893:Machaon
1825:Eudoros
1803:Calchas
1763:Alcimus
1642:Polites
1592:Elpenor
1492:Agelaus
1484:Suitors
1469:Oceanus
1429:Calypso
1388:Mycenae
1343:Perseus
1324:Echetus
1243:Eumaeus
1237:Phemius
1201:Ctimene
1171:Odyssey
965:Homer,
751:Odyssey
739:Fabulae
735:Hyginus
669:Tzetzes
653:Odyssey
649:Scholia
647:1.9.9;
612:Tzetzes
595:Tzetzes
570:Fabulae
565:Hyginus
434:Odyssey
431:In the
404:Odyssey
397:'s son
385:Odyssey
382:In the
357:epithet
317:in the
284:Gerenia
239:Perseus
200:Amphion
196:Chloris
154:Odyssey
111:Briseis
89:mixing
47:improve
2543:Thetis
2513:Hypnos
2508:Hermes
2493:Helios
2473:Athena
2458:Apollo
2432:Theano
2306:Mentes
2300:Memnon
2289:Lycaon
2238:Hecuba
2232:Hector
2144:Axylus
2078:Agenor
2067:Aeneas
2031:Teucer
1935:Nireus
1929:Nestor
1878:Leitus
1850:Guneus
1820:Epeius
1731:Acamas
1662:Sirens
1652:Scylla
1587:Dolius
1542:Others
1527:Leodes
1444:Hermes
1439:Helios
1424:Athena
1419:Aeolus
1398:Mentes
1362:Sparta
1329:Nestor
1308:Aretus
1263:(maid)
1231:Mentor
1191:(wife)
1092:Eranos
1085:Glotta
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377:Memnon
341:horses
337:Pylian
308:Apollo
302:after
253:, and
247:Aretus
192:Neleus
186:Family
91:kykeon
36:, but
2488:Hades
2395:Priam
2363:Podes
2336:Paris
2311:Mydon
2202:Dolon
2124:Asius
2041:Thoas
2011:Sinon
1903:Meges
1898:Medon
1855:Helen
1716:Iliad
1434:Circe
1367:Helen
1333:Pylos
1313:Arete
1273:Argos
1267:Medon
1197:(son)
1081:Iliad
977:Homer
951:Homer
897:Iliad
855:Iliad
803:JSTOR
724:, 12.
514:Notes
495:Iliad
491:Iliad
487:Iliad
483:Iliad
466:Iliad
458:Pylos
425:Iliad
391:Pylos
359:"the
353:Homer
345:Paris
324:Iliad
300:Pylos
263:Homer
148:Iliad
143:Homer
139:Pylos
95:Vulci
2548:Zeus
2523:Leto
2518:Iris
2503:Hera
2483:Eris
2463:Ares
2446:Gods
2186:Coön
1798:Bias
1622:Irus
1555:Ajax
1464:Zeus
1412:Gods
1004:ISBN
921:ISBN
825:ISBN
677:ISBN
620:ISBN
576:14.4
532:ISBN
441:and
410:and
349:gold
331:and
160:The
151:and
109:and
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1386:of
1360:of
1331:of
1292:of
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