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the same name and are practically opposite each other, they are not linked in any way – pedestrians and vehicles on the northbound side of the rest area cannot cross over to the southbound side (without risking their lives, of course). Hence they can also be considered as different laybys despite being identical in many ways. The "minus two" rest areas that I've stated are those with the "vehicles separated" term i.e. pedestrians can cross over but vehicles cannot, so northbound side vehicles stay northbound and southbound ones stay southbound, which still kind of means the same thing in terms of routing. In short, there's no U-turn without exiting the ticket system and paying for the amount you've travelled.

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assessments to the various state wikiprojects and possibly the national US one. Merging the banners together will be nothing but complicated for little to no benefit. (USRD is much more active than HWY has ever been, so it's not like we'd be "saving" an inactive subproject through merger, which was the stated reason for merging most of the states into WPUSA even if that didn't happen. In the end, WPUSA is pretty much inactive like most of the state projects.) CRWP and AURD also track by state or province and territory, something that the new INRD banner will do before it's rolled out in the next few weeks.

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facilitate co-ordination between editors with similar interests, which is still possible regardless of weather USRD is under HWY or not. This is more or less the same debate that occurred a few years ago when all the wikiprojects for U.S. States were merged into the umbrella project, Wikiproject US. That was a lot of work that accomplished ___________? (seriously, if you know, feel free to fill in that blank). The only thing I do know that it did accomplish is stir up wikidrama. In other words, if we want to merge, fine by me, but don't expect me to spend time on it.

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1776:, and you'd see that the first recommendation is: "The structure of the articles is similar, with the same section titles and order where possible." Honestly, I'm almost of the opinion that the allowance to move the history section up in the order should be removed in favor of greater consistency. I know most states in the US are far from being close to considering FTs/GTs in most cases, but this is a case where building in consistent practices early makes things easier when we get a group of articles to that stage later. 3118:

because it serves all directions of the two interchanging roads, while the other view is that it doesn't serve the express lanes so its incomplete. Also, if I recall, when I went there years ago, there weren't any exit numbers for the local lanes anymore (the lanes were built in 2008 or something like that?), so it would count as old exit numbers...I think? Then again, that was at least five years ago or so when I haven't stumbled into the editing world of Knowledge (I was small back then as well), my finding is probably

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Historic bridges, and I think those fit better after the History (or History and Future) sections. Sections that deal with other highways related to the subject of the article, say a business route, should be after the RJL and ahead of the standard end sections. The same goes for an "In popular culture" section.* That way everything about the main subject highway is grouped together and terminates with the visually weighty junction/exit list table before moving on to other roads or stuff that's outside of the main topic.

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counties and cities, and there's an argument to be made that top-aligning multi-row cells makes the information easier to read—we probably don't want the destination and notes columns centered. Centering the cells breaks US-style bannered routes since the banners no longer line up with the route shield. Distances are right-aligned because the template overrides the default to right-align those columns. We may want to adjust the top-of-cell alignment as well, since it causes route shields and text to line up funny.

2690:. That table layout would be good to emulate. One of my biggest complaints with the Malaysian articles is that they use graphics inline as test. That is a big no-no in the MOS. Please use actual text instead of the graphics, like "Such roads can be distinguished through their route numbers, which always begin with the letter E, such as E1 for the north section of the North–South Expressway." In the US, we do use the highway marker graphics in various tables, but we say they must be followed by the text number. 114: 3558: 3497: 3437: 3365: 3297: 3233: 3173: 31: 2997:, has a huge section on the history of the turnpike (which I couldn't find any reliable info for the expressway in question), and has nothing about any incidents that may have occurred (I'm not sure if there are any). Anyway, I hope you guys can have a look and give some feedback. Also, if someone could help me align the colour legend in the bottom row of the junction list properly (to the centre), it would be greatly appreciated, because I just can't get it to work. Thanks! - 309: 3738: 1558:(WP:USRD/STDS) basically indicates that for USRD articles, the order should be: RD, History, Future, Services, Tolls, the RJL, Auxiliary/business/related routes and then the standard end sections (See also, References, External links, etc.) with the noted exception of flipping RD and History. I actually think Services and Tolls should be grouped after the RD since they deal with similar aspects of the current state of the roadway. 1744:, and it's more than the road just appearing or being referenced. This would be a case where the cultural ties around the road are more enduring, and they form the basis for a National Scenic Byway designation (or similar). The IPC-type section is just disconnected references to the road appearing "in popular culture", and honestly, if it's just a single scene, a good writer can add to the RD something like, "as <road: --> 374: 2939: 3586: 3572: 3525: 3511: 3465: 3451: 3401: 3379: 3333: 3311: 3261: 3247: 3201: 3187: 1897:

explicitly specifying their current appearance should ensure that they appear the same way under Winter (overriding the skin CSS). It is worth noting that Winter is currently just a prototype (prototype v0.6 for whatever that's worth), so the style could radically change before it is deployed, but specifying CSS rules helps future-proof us to an extent regardless of what changes in Winter before it is released.

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and getting our local coders and admins to add code to the sitewide CSS for Winter, for example to make wikitables look the same as in Vector, or to enable collapsible tables, or add a new class for infoboxes that should not to be moved to the right rail. Surely that is preferable to adding CSS rules

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Agreed, although I think the structure of how the right rail is composed would preclude any content therein from snapping to a particular . It looks as though the right rail is a div set to the height of the page, with all of its content set to populate sequentially from the top of the div. If that's

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as examples, I think it makes sense to craft a standard for appearance sake and consistency between articles. Tolls make sense to group along with the RD, directly below it. Services on the other hand, often includes a table at the end of the section listing the official rest stops on the highway. As

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Road naming (#8): What I did (and what has been done by others working on Malaysian road articles, which of course are not really following MOS) is that if there is a name, we use it instead of the route number. This is easy for expressways since every route has its own name (kind of; E1, E8 and E37

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That would still require conscious action on the reader's part to associate the box with the section. The easiest way to resolve this particular issue would be to create a custom CSS class or hardcode the CSS, both of which would make it impossible for Winter to associate the content with an infobox

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Is this the right venue to be discussing this? Yeah, we have a few templates and tables and things that don't look quite so good in the current prototype, but from the looks of it this will by no means be confined to the HWY projects, and might be better fixed by sitewide CSS/js (assuming the issues

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If you have a spare moment, use the Winter prototype to view some pages in your area and report back on any issues it causes to page layout. We should also discuss proposed changes to the standard junction list and infoboxes to prepare for the change, particularly to infobox road small, because I am

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Table styling seems to have been radically changed in terms of alignment. Rhis mostly affects the standard junction lists. As of right now, Winter changes table cells to center-alignment at the top of the cell. While this is not so bad for the location cells—I quite like the center alignment for the

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are two I checked out) have no consistency when it comes to the top level article structure. That is, the placement of the RD, History, Tolls, Services, other unique sections, and Junction list. I propose that we standardize the placement of sections, with the sole exception of swapping the order of

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However, setting each national project banner and the main HWY template to pass assessments into a "Road transport articles" assessment tree would essentially do what Thewombatguru desires: produce a single assessment table for all of the projects. That's been a long-term goal of mine for a while so

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That could work, if I lived there. I don't know whether they have archives of Malaysian newspapers in the libraries near here where I live, and I doubt that there are any articles about the expressway in other countries' newspapers. I could possibly check at my university's library once I get there

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Laybys (#10): That would mean, however, every layby and rest area minus two would fall under that category of incomplete interchange. As you may have noticed, I added the term "separated" in almost all of the laybys and rest areas where access is permitted in both directions because while they have

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I concur with the above two comments, and would add that the photo column should be removed – it doesn't resize proportionately on smaller resolution screens (eg mobile devices and ipads), making the other columns unnecessarily narrow and leaving much whitespace above and below the image. Also note

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The infoboxes are looking odd in a few places. On the M-553 article, the termini have odd text alignment in the infobox. The bottom of "M-35" lines up with the bottom of the marker as does "Gwinn". The word "near" looks like it is vertically centered with the marker. (It could be lining up with the

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Actually, I disagree with your logic a bit. The table you've included with Services is unnecessary. In the US, we've listed service areas in the exit list in cases where they're worth detailing, especially since they'd have their mileposts/kilometers included. Based on that, and taking into account

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There's a big inconsistency with graphics and highway numbers. Take the fourth row of the table with "Jalan Padang Donan" as the intersecting highway. It has a 277 marker in front of it, but nowhere in that line is the 277 number referenced. Scroll down to the row for exit 173, and it has "Federal

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The Winter skin shunts infoboxes and other floating boxes into a "right rail" of such content. As such, the KML box is much more easily accessed, as it appears much closer to the top of the page. This may make it desirable to deprecate the inline view, although this may be undesirable due to users

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Usually most accidents aren't considered notable. As far as finding articles, you may need to look in databases for newspaper archives (like in a university library). In a pinch, old maps can be used to pinpoint changes in the route, though there are limitations to that method, and they don't say

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It wouldn't use Province instead of County because it would use State/Province as the first column, then County, then Location. However in this case, since it would be so specialized needing a label to deal with the left-most column being either a state, province or territory, and the next column

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I also agree with the premise that other "unique" sections should generally appear after the standard prose sections and ahead of the RJL. The two sections I've used the most that aren't mentioned in USRD/STDS are for Memorial highway designations (with or without tourist route designations) and

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Of note, the only "merger" that has happened between USRD and HWY involves ACR. The ACR that CRWP hosted was a short-lived clone of the USRD one, and we basically agreed to move the USRD/ACR process into HWY lock, stock, and barrel so that it could take provide the same function for HWY and every

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I have no strong opinion on this either way. From an organizational purist standpoint it makes sense to have the USRD be a topic within the larger scoped Highways project. However, I don't see it as a top priority for either project, especially given that the supposed point of a wikiproject is to

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For the local lanes colouring (#5), I'd like to have the local-only exits distinguished from the other exits at the very least. Should I use the red colour for "incomplete access" then, another colour or no colour at all? It kind of depends on how its looked at: in one perspective, it's complete

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This is true, and Imzadi and I have left comments on the Winter project talk page (if you can call it that, it uses Flow) sharing the problems we have encountered. However, WMF has a track record as of late of not actually responding to community concerns (see the MediaViewer rollout as a recent

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Except that the reason it hasn't been is that it is visually very weighty. In terms of traditional page layout, such a large element would be located at the bottom or inside (gutter) of a page rather than at the top or outside of a page. Applying that principle to Knowledge layout, where we lack

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And since each edition of Knowledge has its own Manual of Style (or equivalent), the style should conform here locally. Just as an infobox and linking methods on an American highway article should match that of a Spanish highway article in the Spanish Knowledge, so should we attempt to harmonize

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Another thing: I would make your notes as concise as possible. If the reader wants to know more, he or she will go to the article. The wall of text in the description cell for E1's first segment is ten times longer than what I'd prefer to see. In fact, I wouldn't give a description at all, just

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any visual merger of projects, either in the banner or in the projects themselves for a simple logistical reason. USRD has 5 departments and 57 taskforces (50 states, 4 topics, DC, PR, other Territories). There are also plans for the USRD banner to use the by-state tracking to pass through our

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Since Winter seems to change a few styles we rely on in the site CSS, we will need to make some changes to the styling of our templates to ensure that they continue to display the same way. Most of these, I think, are simply left unspecified and thus depend on the site CSS at present, and so

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Iff we put such a code in the various national project banners, we should provide a separate category tree for tracking articles which are in HWY but not the sub projects. Otherwise when the leaderboard for HWY is created, we won't be able to track the total assessment values for HWY vs.

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with rows for HWY, each HWY task force, each of the national subprojects and then a total for everything. However, that project needs the INRD banner to be working first before we start playing with the AURD/CRWP/HKRD/HWY/INRD/UKRD/USRD banners for a combined assessment

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So yeah, there's lots of good reasons why USRD is still its own project. I like Imzadi's idea of each banner passing its assessments through to "Road transport articles" categories in order to get overall assessment, so I modified the code above to do that. -

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To answer the question on detecting skins through Lua: no, it can't be done. There are various caching and security issues associated with changing content within Lua based on user preferences. In short, such facilities will never be implemented.

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The "Darul Aman Highway" row (#9): That's because it is both a concurrency end and also is an incomplete interchange (it only allows entry into the expressway). I'm not sure which colour (i.e. information) would be more important or dominant

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HWY+USRD/CRWP/UKRD/INR/AURD/HKRD. Right now, the "Highways articles" assessment tree should be not be the one to contain the othe sub projects' articles because USRD, et al., are not part of HWY. USRD has always been an independent project.

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in all uses of the colors, it would be nice if they had the tool tips that popped up with the explanation. I know the templates we use in the US automatically add the code necessary for it. If I get a chance, I'll find that code for you to

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the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please

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Rijkswaterstaat, the corporation that maintains all A-routes in the Netherlands, sent me a bunch of files with weird file type like .shp, .sbx, .shp and a lot more. I don't know how top open them, nor does the one who sent them to me...

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In brackets, writing only what's inside the route markers, without expansion. As to not come across as confusing, federal routes are prefixed with "FT" as what some users here have used, although that really means "Federal Territory".

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I would set the templates to override the horizontal centering and vertical alignment as you describe. That's a fairly easy fix that will make sure certain behaviors that need to stay consistent do so between skins for the reasons you

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The banners are all working together to pass assessments into a common assessment tree. Now we just have to wait for the job queue to catch up and populate the categories. I'll be asking for the combined assessment table here shortly.

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If one aim is to "keep items related to what a driver would experience driving the length of the road together" then perhaps the RJL should follow this group (RD, services, tolls) rather than following history, future, and other.

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Route 175" with the 175 marker. That's good, and for the first one, it should have something like "Jalan Padang Donan (Federal Route 277)".(The Federal Route 175 row should be using an en dash and not a hyphen, by the way.)

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top of the marker, but since it's all lower case, it's hard to tell.) The northern terminus is even worse, the "US 41", "M-28" and "Marquette" are at the bottom of the line, but the slash and the "in" are up in the area.

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I kind of agree with rschen on this. So long as there is a natural progression to the article, it shouldn't matter what order the sections are in. It's more important that the sections are there at all than their order.

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are special cases that have two names, but even then the general perception is that one name equals one route, so we use the name regardless). Unlike in the US (probably), everyone here says "his car broke down on the

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This would keep items related to what a driver would experience driving the length of the road together (RD, services, tolls), group the historical details next, including names applied in the past and bridges deemed

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Possible unique section(s) (ie. Historic designations and structures, Tourist routes, statues and other significant aesthetic features that may warrant a section since they are related to both the history and

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Ok that would be cool. But still, why does the US use their own project and not just like europe or asia a parameter in the template on that particular article, like {{HWY|US=yes|class=C|importance=mid}}.

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I don't know which project was formed first, but certainly both projects predate the idea of nesting sub-ordinate projects (i.e. Wikiproject New York as a sub project of Wikiproject US, etc.).

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The shields only get used in the infobox and junction list really. In other cases you just use a plainlink. I'm fairly certain the European style is against the Manual of Style in some form. -

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I see this as a federal system. HWY only has the rights that its constituent projects (i.e. USRD) grant to it. If we (USRD) decide not to share our assessment stats with HWY, then so be it. -

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the case, there is little way to specify the location of the infobox on that rail other than by exact coordinates, which is not a feasible way of accomplishing what we need to accomplish.

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Hi. I'm planning to rewrite the above list article. I started a draft at my userspace with the original article, stripped off a few unnecessary columns from the tables, removed a lot of

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Apparently, WMF is working on a new skin to replace Vector (not that it seems so long since Vector was introduced, but that's neither here nor there). It's called Winter, and there's a

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You'll find that in some American articles, where the exits have been renumbered, there is an Old exit column that's grayed out, and that's to note the former status of those numbers.

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I'm not too worried about this, as long as there's a logical progression of some sort. I would be opposed to putting the Major intersections at the top or in the middle though. --

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Wouldn't it be a bit ugly to see the logo so you already know what road it is, but then you also get to see the link, it's not the readers fault that the article doesn't exist.

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Simply put, USRD has more independence than the other roads projects/TFs. There's probably nobody at USRD that would support merging the templates in the foreseeable future. -

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appears correct, for the most part. The heading boxes extend out of the right side of the infobox for me on Creek Turnpike, but on other pages they don't (Firefox on Linux).

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Table sorting and collapsing is currently not working properly. This is most likely due to the skin's alpha status. We should keep an eye on this as development continues.

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subproject. A proposal earlier this year to move USRD's Shields Dept. into HWY was dropped, and I think you'll find no desire for any additional merger on the front end.

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Yes, those are definitely GIS files, but you need the whole set of files (look for five files with the same name but different extensions) or the software won't work. –

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In brackets, writing only the route number that the road name is linked to (i.e. excluding the concurrency/overlap, since those are rarely, if not never, signposted)

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I tried QGis but when I want to open it it says it can't because a .dll file is missing. I do have several sets of files with the same name and different extensions.

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does this sound about right?) Yukon is a bit muddier because it seems to be divided into the Klondike and the not-Klondike, and that division isn't exactly clear. –

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I removed the inappropriate use of the gray color in the exit column; gray = former or closed in MOS:RJL, and there is no color for local-lanes-only exits.

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format need not be followed precisely, regional differences could be accommodated as long as basic premise is followed (much like the variations allowed in

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In brackets, writing only what's inside the route markers, without expansion. When using the forward slash, it might confuse others as to what E17/1 is.

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The small infoboxes being on the right wouldn't be such a bad thing if they'd align properly with the content. The gray RJLs might also be an issue. -

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One note is the difference between "Cultural significance" and "In popular culture" that I would make here. CS would be specific to the road, like on

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Equally, we can not expect the WMF to fix any issues or listen if we don't tell them what's wrong. But in any case, a lot could be fixed by going to

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In brackets, writing the type of route and then whatever is in the route marker. I'm afriad this might make the destination column wider though.

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After a recent request, I added WikiProject Highways to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by

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Name, if needed as distinct from a general memorial highway names section. This could be integrated into a mini-lead for the RD section as well.

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is badly broken, because Winter shunts them all to the right rail area, so they no longer line up with the section they are discussing. See

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Recent happenings have illustrated we cannot count on the WMF to fix any issues or listen to any community feedback before going live. —

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Hi again! I decided to rewrite the entire article above the other day (it was yesterday actually). Unfortunately I couldn't find any

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being a borough (Alaska) or regional municipality (British Columbia), I think you're going to have to use a hand-coded solution with

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Route description -or- History (where the history is judged editorially to be far more significant than the description of the route)

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Any highway designation represented by the graphic shall be represented in text as part of the name or number listed for the roadway

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And this is why we convert junction lists to templates... anyway, the centering issues and the IRS issues seem the most pressing. --

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From what I've seen of road articles on other wikis, it is fairly common to use the "European style". However, linking like that

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I got my terminology confused there. I meant disabling the title links so that only the floating box appears in the right rail. —

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example) so we need to prepare for the very real possibility that WMF simply does not adequately address any community input. —

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is it possible to detect the user's skin using Lua, to allow us to automatically disable the inline view for Winter users only?

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We are offering to design and print physical paper leaflets to be distributed at Wikimania 2014 for all projects that apply.

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I agree that it would be better to let all road shields use the same template, but I think clickable shields would be better.

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because I don't think putting the links to the KML file and its associated edit link in the upper space would be a good idea.

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The meaning of "traffic police" and "highway patrol", and the name of the article "highway patrol" is under discussion, see

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It would be great if editors in this area could comment there on how the nominated list may relate to the other contents of

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You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that

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For the record, my main concern to be ironed out in this instance is the placement of the Tolls and Services sections. --

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modules, the latter which I still can't understand for the life of me XP. Maybe once I start university, just maybe... -

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I'm not sure what to do with the routes without names though. They would likely not follow any of the above conventions.

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for me. If there must be so much text for each line, I would suggest not using a table and using the format similar to

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for Australian roads. The portal box on the right should be added to the See Also section of any relevant article using

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Evad is on the right track. There is always the province-neutral "Division" in lieu of "County". For BC, I'd suggest

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Writing the numbers next to their respective markers. The route number might be confused as part of the name however.

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The row for "Darul Aman Highway" has inconsistent coloration. It's either green or its red, but it shouldn't be both.

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I looked it up. HWY was formed on January 27, 2004, by Spikey, while Rschen founded USRD on September 18, 2005. But

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I've noticed that it appears to break one of the hurricane infoboxes, which is used similar to infobox road small:

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How to create KML files from OSM relations ? Many KML files can be created there is easy way export osm relations.

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The old fashioned way, though as I said, the name is usually dominant in Malaysia. Again, E17/1 looks confusing.

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should have one that links to all of the other articles on state highway systems in the US, but it's not present.

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but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at

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I've downloaded a bunch of programs and can't get it to work, do you know a program that should work for sure?

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will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

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inside vs. outside (since we don't have two-page spreads), it should still go to the bottom of the article.

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Tooltip code (#11): That would be great, especially since a lot of templates are now being converted into

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The US Roads WikiProject recently came up with a standardized scheme, and that was used for the tables on

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Other appropriate sections like general Cultural significance, Memorial highway names, or Historic bridges

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and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my

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Discussion at Knowledge:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_December_30#Template:Infobox_Australian_road

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such, it makes sense to have that right before the junction table. So, I'd propose the following order:

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these articles describe how a road interfaces with non-road things, so I thought that the taxonomy of

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That right rail is... wasteful and inhibitive at best. These skin guys are as annoying as Facebook. -

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To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to

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The row for "Kepala Batas layby (northbound)" should be colored red since it has incomplete access.

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The way it shunts all infoboxes over is going to be very problematic, especially on articles like

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to create an alternate CSS class for "infoboxes that aren't to be shunted into the right rail". —

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at a road fork, might have a separate name, especially in the UK, and not have been included in

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As for Moabdave's comments above, USRD is already considered "under HWY", just as a subproject.

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is there a version of Jcttop which uses Province instead of County? I would like to use it in

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in the marker (since E stands for expressway). Also will make the destination column wider.

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This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

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should be refined to sub-groups. Any suggestions for sub-group names ? Also, a grass lawn

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I don't understand what the question is supposed to be. All of those articles, apart from

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In popular culture (sigh... list of movies and TV shows that include scenes on this road)

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At the moment the names and the way they are made and work are not by the same way. Like

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I removed the background from the exit column. Like the green border, it's non-standard.

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Knowledge:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_December_30#Template:Infobox_Australian_road

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Specific file types sent by maintainer of the Dutch roads, Rijkswaterstaat. How to open?

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to the top of the table so that the color key would be properly centered at the bottom.

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One reason to standardize the order is related to Featured/Good Topics. Take a look at

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the RD and History, and the odd case where a unique section is better placed first (ex

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If there were such a color, it would span the entire row like the concurrency color.

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I noticed that the statistics for articles in the scope of the US Roads department,

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easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested,

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https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4AQqaVpOz_ganoyQWVnbTFTM0E&usp=sharing

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If there is, in fact, interest in this. I've started a tentative sign-up page at

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I made a number of changes to put the Junction list table into compliance with

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to every table or other element in every single wikipedia page and template. -

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I also changed the coding for the exit column so that it wasn't starting with

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Thank you so much for your help! I'll respond to a few of your points above.

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Services, if applicable or not made a subsection of the RD on non-toll roads

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My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

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Knowledge:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Highways articles by quality statistics

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so you can see what a typical road article might look like under Winter).

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and the Lincoln Highway infobox title would become a #target wikilink to

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the desire for consistency for future FT or GT nominations, I'd go with:

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Possible unique section (ie a section about the significance of the name)

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Please note: This is an updated version of a previous post that I made.

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I removed the green border from the header and footer rows of the table.

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I'll have more later when I have more time to explore various articles.

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Specific popular culture references, but only when necessary. See below.

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also be merged into it, and the merged article be the primary topic. --

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for a discussion on possible updates to the format of map citations in

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I wonder if a workaround for the Infobox road small problem is to add

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Assessment table of USRD is not in the main Highways WikiProject table

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The better option would be to create the appropriate graphics and use

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For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:

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will be deployed this weekend. Last-minute requests may be made at

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so we can link the infobox to the relevant section. Example: add

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If we did want to do this, the coding would be fairly easy – each

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If you are looking for a template-based solution, Australia uses

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Are you looking to recruit more contributors to your project?

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for quality-classes (but with the additional classes added to

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where there are the secondary infoboxes for related highways.

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who choose to continue using the Monobook and Vector skins.

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at a loss to how we can resolve that particular breakage. —

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Invitation to Participate in a User Study - Final Reminder

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http://meta.wikimedia.org/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator

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http://meta.wikimedia.org/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator

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In brackets, writing the type of route and then writing

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Bridges, laybys, etc, should span into the notes column.

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List of state highways in Maryland shorter than one mile

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New issue of the WikiProject Australian Roads newsletter

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You may also want to ask around on mswiki, or look at

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and added a few columns as inspired by these articles

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Related highways like alternate/auxiliary/business/etc

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If I can help with anything from here on, just say so

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for an inline version. Articles, images, videos and

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