Knowledge talk:Talk page layout/Archive 1

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and talk page format shouldn't be dictated by anyone except the users of that talk page. Skipto can most often be killed as useless (if the page is built correctly), WP1 can be put inside banners or smalled, maintained by can be smalled and go under archives, so can todo, I dislike and remove archives from talk headers on pages I author and want the archive box so archives ca be labeled, the list duplicates items that are built into articlehistory, and so on. This page is instruction creep, and not needed. There's much written here that disagrees with practice.

31: 2815:, but it has the sort of diffuse relationship here that you should expect when "brainstorming" is declared. There's a stimulating discussion going on, and probably someone less structured than you aspire to be is mulling it over and preparing to make more use of what i've said than i am willing to. I'm done with it. (Note i've found a solution that meets my needs.) But i suggest you wait for a consensus before you move it to VP, or the template's talk page, or speedy-archive it. 2693:, i simply subst'ed the template onto the talk page, and did a second edit to it to patch the resulting editable markup to my situation. I was interested to note that i never mentioned the most common type of non-article page: the redirect! I was converting an unacceptable Dab to an Rdr (without prejudice to later reversion if the otherwise unlinked red-lk bio title eventually becomes a bio whose subject has demonstrable notability) so i splurged, converting 1362:, which should be uncontroversial, but if we're having a bot tidy up talk pages (which can be have 5-6 unshelled banners), we might as well take the opportunity to see what other kind of tidying up would be uncontroversial and appreciated. So far I think there is consensus for three "enforcable" guidelines. 1) Shoving banners in 2361:

Ah, well if that's current practice to shove stuff in ArticleHistory even if there's only 1 thing that would go in it, I see no reason to change that. And as far as the WPBS vs WPB goes, which projects tagged it and what are their assessment/importance ratings are definetaly not things that should be

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Having maintained talk pages on most FAs and FFAs for several years, there's not much I agree with on this page, so I oppose it becoming a guideline. Besides that a number of the items aren't needed or can be smalled after everything else, the page looks very prescriptive in spite of the disclaimer,

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Thanks for the comments. I think (but its hard to gauge what others think, so take what I say with a grain of salt), that this is simply a proposal to identify things that we should suggest (and never move beyond mere suggestion), and things that can be systematized. I originally wanted (I'm not the

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Although in general I think there should be some structure agreement to talk page templates, I do not think project banners should be placed alphabetically. I think it might be better to do things by relevance. I don't think it would make any more sense to do project banners alphabetically than to

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As I was tagging and assessing articles, I remarked that having multiple project banners on a talk page really takes up a LOT of space when they are not placed in a banner shell. At first I thought we could have a "banner shell" bot that would automatically place banners in a bannershell when 3+ are

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I agree that any proposal to make bots alphabetize projects is doomed to failure. There can be good reasons to not alphabetize them, and the bots will never know of it. However, that being said, we could still clump article-focused WikiProjects (WP Biography, WP Military History, WP Chemistry, ...)

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up as close to the top as possible if the article is a BLP, to make sure that the BLP banner is visible to most users even if they do not bother to scroll down. Other than that, I don't see much value in specifying a particular order, so long as it stays stable. Since the articles I'm editing in

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must be placed above the other one. If there are more than two project banners on a page the banners need not be in any particular order although some logical order may be desireable on pages with a large number of banners so that the most relevant are at the top with the shell is expanded. (The

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The best part of Knowledge is the respect you achieve over time by the quality of your posts. Many link builders and over-night users simply miss out totally on the pleasure of being part of the sharing education. They rush off to edit or add something and vanish. Now IF there were templates (per

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and various other tweaks as deemed appropriate. Obviously we should have a good discussion on what warrants an edit, what is of secondary importance, and what is utterly trivial. The bot-shoving of 3+ unshelled banners in the bannershell seems rather non-controversial to me, so at least that task

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I agree that if you think of this as a style guide for human, this could be creep, but my proposal below would veer-away from that (IMO). This would not be a "style guide" for human-cleanup of talk pages, but rather for bot-cleanup. Surely you agree that a page with 10 Wikiproject banner ought to

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I do not see much hope for reducing the number of project banners. The soccer players will have Biog, Football, country of origin and country of current team banners. Most of those articles are extremely short so that even one of the banners takes more vertical space than the article. This is

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Updated my list accordingly. I left the blp thing out for now because I don't really understand how it works for the moment. We should ask the community if their is consensus for this sort of bot-work in the near-future so bot coders can work their magic, and see how the rules hold up in the bot

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I can see why you want the Cats before the talk, but they are so diligently kept at the end of articles (usually just before the interlang lks) that there will be confusion. How about an collapsing "envelope" template (re-expand to see a list of the enveloped Cats, to aid in recognizing that the

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is not adequately established, then enforcement will be sparse. Without enforcement the guideline is cumbersome reading. In my opinion the current guideline is too detailed, and similar items should be grouped. Remember that even though the order of the standard appendices is well established in

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makes the page look similar to the image, then I agree with Anomie's opinion that this is undesirable. I do not wish to have a decreased horizontal reading area for conversations and I would not want to have to scroll down the side of a talk page to locate the banner information I want to find.

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exist. The "switch" in the markup should treat "article" as the default value (applicable for null "non-art" param) when "ns:1" applies, but (for that namespace only) we should provide a second-level switch that will substitute, e.g. (in the "non-art:dab" case) "disambiguation page" in place of

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Maybe it should only be used when there is a Cat needed that currently lacks a specific carrying template, or if a loose Cat has previously been placed in the (temporarily) last section of that particular tk pg: the habit of putting Cats at the end of non-talk pages is so strong that IMO even

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is above all banners if it is applicable, put the history below the project banners and put the project banners into the smallest shell I can rationalize. (The suggested rule-of-thumb is a shell for more than two banners and a collapsed shell for more than five. Your preferences may

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In short, we don't need yet another policy/guideline about talk pages; we need to have information in one place (within reason). The ordering of talk page templates isn't covered elsewhere, I think, but in itself doesn't justify a separate policy (or, more likely, guideline). --

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True but I don't want to do his case-by-case. It is time consuming. You are welcome to create full lists and save me some time :) I think this template could be deleted and replaced by normal olrpeerreviews. It has very few transclusions and categorising does not bring many. --

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You did vaguely mention exceptions, but you didn't really specify which ones. No matter how many exceptions, if the stack of small=yes boxes extends below the TOC and into the first section of discussion it'll be similar to the image as far as squishing real content goes.

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You can revert if you disagree. Never make statements redundant, it should be clear the first time. For example, "Generally", "most", and "should" in the previous version refer to the same thing. "or from most important" this should be established in the first clause.

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presents. Then I realized that such a bot could do a lot more than simply shove banners in bannershells... there are a lot of bots doing banner edits, but very few dealing with tidying them up. So I made a list of "general tidy up fixes" for talk pages.

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The information about how to order templates on the page is useful. The (unwritten) section on TOCs is pointless; TOCs are generated automatically. The (unwritten) section on discussion sections would, if it existing, duplicate information already in

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example on or via: Knowledge:Talk page guidelines) this would help such a user "get into the bath" so to speak. The TALK template would include some basic Wiki markup with comment tags as to their use. - Happy to work on this with a few others.

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Define the sections by "Templates in Category:Foo talk header templates" or something else that a bot can actually determine. An explicit list can be used by a bot, but note that list would have to be updated every time someone creates a new

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I think as well that Articlehistory is far more important than these Wikiproject banners. Sometimes, they are added out of control. I remember that I spent a week trying to clean Wikiproject Greece from articles that their name was of Greek

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Project banners are mostly bookkeeping devices, these can be placed in banner shells without any real loss to the talk page. They serve to identify go-to places for getting feedback and whatnot, and to have bot-updated feeds such as

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this case are frequently unsourced, unmaintained, orphaned biographies of little-known, barely-notable-if-even-that professional soccer players, I don't see much benefit in the template cruft that seems to accumulate, particularly

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As someone who has had to update many, many ArticleHistorys since GimmeBot stopped doing GA, I've notice that the talk pages that have three or more WikiProject banners are cluttered and much harder to navigate. I usually insert

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and meta-focused WikiProjects (WP Echoes, WP 1.0, ...). Again these wouldn't be a good enough reason for bots to edit the page, but if the bot makes an edit anyway, why not take the opportunity to introduce some structure?

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I rewrote the categories section to note that they are normally added by the templates, and also added a section for placement of interwikis - feel free to tweak it (or wholesale revert it, if you disagree). =)

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Y to have this as part of an actual style guide (WP:MOSTALKLAYOUT), but there are certainly issues about the layout of talk pages which needs to be discussed, and these discussions fall outside the scope of

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is experimenting with random sampling, which removes the decision from the systematic biases expressed by editors though their subjective selection of articles. Examples of these reports are available at

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Right now there exist categories that are not added by templates. This is the reality. This may change and I agree that we have to do something about it, bu here we can only handle the given reality. --

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Order project banners semi-alphabetically. AKA in general it would sort projects alphabetically, but allows for special treatment of special projects like WikiProject Echo and WP 1.0.

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The consensus is clear that talkheader should be placed in those pages that there are might be comments by newcomers. Not all pages. So a LAYOUT guideline has to include it. --

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for example. Hitting 20 random pages, and 20 from my watchlist (as a random sampling) the all of them would have been improved by 90% of the boxes being small by default. eg

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are not really project banners, but they're sort of like them. I think they should go between 5 and 6. I strongly support having a set order as a guideline, by the way. –

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This page could eventually serve as a centralized discussion page for talk page templates, etc... AKA talk about what can be incorporated into macrotemplates (shoving

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Yes ... and those who are looking for such information will find it regardless. These are not the users that need to be led to prominent warning and navigation boxes.

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What exceptions are you talking about? I have not used this parameter, but I must not understand your post. I read it as wanting nearly all talk page banners to use

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at the very bottom" is confusing—"at the very bottom" can imply the very bottom the article, this should be within the list. Here's my peer review, I hope it help.

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This would be a guideline rather than a policy, unless you are planning on going beyond "advising" editors. Either of which must document "actual good practices" (

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Sorry about the imprecisely worded initial post. I have amended it slightly (and parsed out (unthumbnailed) the image that would have confused any late arrivers).

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to me. I'd rather have them in their own section at the top than have them streaming down the talk page squishing all the real discussion into half a column.

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Indeed. It might be boilerplate, but it's boilerplate which saves significant work in the long-term by giving IPs and new users some hints on how to act.

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Small. It cuts the cruft (or just shrinks it), but keeps everything visible - for both casual and expert users - to find, or stumble upon. Go small. --

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Some sort of size limiting device seems to need to be used - otherwise many more will probably grow to the size of those with embedded todo lists, eg.

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I disagree with this. In addition to, yes, being instruction creep, there's no reason why the more relevant ones shouldn't be first. For instance, on

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I agree with this one. I had this in mind but I can't figure out how to write down a rule such as "the more relevant ones should go first". --

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Include "Other" in your ordering, so there is a sensible place for a bot to put templates that do not fall into any of the defined categories.

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But it wasn't in between other project tags. It was right at the bottom of the lead section; and while there was a 30px gap between the

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latest-added stray Cat has become buried) at the end of the lead section, that can handle any cat not built into another template, e.g.

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originator of this discussion however, altought I started another discussion and merged it with this one) to have a bot shove things in

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experienced editors are likely to make that mistake, once, on talk pages, and IMO there should be a remedy to ameliorate the same page

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seems to be useful only to a small group of editors to any given page and these same users are very likely to find it wherever it is.

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This kind of disagreements can be included in the guideline. We can create different variations depending on the banners needed. --

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The banner section should be clean of discussions, so these would be placed in a generic "Discussion" section following the banner.

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I had in mind to propose an additional tab so that we put all this stuff away from the talk page. That would be a step forward. --

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hidden (at least by default). I know I would much rather have them displayed then not, especially when I'm doing assessment runs.

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If it's placed below this it screws up the talk page format and leaves a big ugly empty space often in between other templates.

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Alright we've trimmed the long enumerations of various template in favour of the general idea. This should be more agreeable now.

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Also, consider that templates with "small=yes" (or that same style in general) should probably go after the non-small templates.

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I agree. I would like to wait a few days before implementing so more editors can read the discussion and express their opinion.

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When I edit biography pages (currently working my way through the 200,000+ automatically-assessed bio pages), I generally move

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would be approved, but we should take this opportunity to make talk pages less intimidating and more intuitive. What say you?

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Ping! Do you agree that this would be classified as a #7? In that case, If you please could add it to the AWB program? :-) -

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Which archiving bot trigger? There are several. Also, please give examples of pages where this is a demonstrable problem. --

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should go first. If there are more than two project banners on the page, the banners will be placed within a shell and the

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reasoned discussion over relative relevancy between the members of the projects that are involved may not be fun to watch.)

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are seen as less valuable. I believe there is an effort to have banner shell apllied whenever there is three or more. The

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This could easily descend into instruction creep with trying to specify the exact order of every single template; please

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Therefore, if the article is about a living person and there is only one project banner on the talk page other than the

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be handled by the banner, IMO. But for categories in general, they should probably all be added after the last banner.

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many of the talkpage banners. It works so well, when people use it. But they have to be encouraged to use it. See

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is not handled by the biography banner. It is placed in the talk page as an administrative category manually. --

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Do you mean in general? You are not discussinmg this here. Talkheader was proposed for deletion and survived. --

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On most articles, with an average quantity of talkboxes and talkthreads, an improvement would be the case. See

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result in the "squashed content" effect just by using small=yes on all templates that currently support it is

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Here's what I think are uncontroversial and uncreepy measures, and which are good enough to warrant an edit.

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after wikiprojects and use the "small" parameter to shrink it as this is of little use, IMHO, to most users.

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the template, pointing to a WP-namespace page discussing the function of pgs in the corresponding namespace?

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It seems I came up with a similar idea, but you beat me by a day! I propose that we merge the efforts here.

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is used at so many talk pages (63,401), it should defenitly be added somewhere on the WP:TPL-list. Right? -

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and variants at the very top of the page, and 3) placing the archives at the very bottom of banner section.

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Of course, all banners aren't supposed to be there. This is a guide where to put a banner if needed. --

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which is considered a notice different than who provide talk page behavioral guidelines is not listed.

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who seems to be running into the same interesting situation as I. (I have been and am working on

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should be the first of the WikiProjects because of the special considerations for BLPs and so on.

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in those cases. By the way, you can still see the class rating of the talk banners when you use

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I think this policy will clear out things about this for example. It will make it official. --

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Prose needs to be equivalent or better than FA articles, your words will be quoted, and

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and the TOC, that gap was no larger than the 30px gap that you have caused above the

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can be omitted in many cases. When the project banners are in a collapsed shell and

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is on/near the top (which could be done by a bot) then I don't care about the rest.--

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It creates ugly odd spacing, especially if placed in between other project tags. —

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have them in a bannershell, and that it serves little to no purpose to have both

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Categories not yet provided by other templates should be placed here inside the

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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It's still just off, and unnecessary. It's recommending WPBS, but leaving out

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Place "unshellable" banners immediatly below the banner shell (secondary task)

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A mix of the two is preferable. All small is dreadful and just as unhelpful.

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to be grouped closer to the "article appeared on the main page" notice, and

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will be a problem if more than one template extends into the content area.

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should be placed at the same place as normal olrpeerreviews, rigt?) -

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I consider these to fall within 7 'Any "article history" banner'. --

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to be smaller. I do not see a high probability of that happening.

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is a joke. There are no comments on the page so there is no TOC.

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say external links should be placed in articles alphabetically.--

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for example) and whatnots. It would be IMO wrong and incredibly

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Please place archiving bot trigger above talk header template.

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I specifically mentioned those as being exceptions!?! WTH? --

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its ability to use a short-form of the wanted text (see

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