1762:. There is a difference between how that article shows up in Firefox and IE - look at the first image and table.) Yet, when I open Knowledge articles in IE, images and tables/text are automatically separated as they should be. I haven't been able to find any troubleshooting references to this here in Knowledge, unless I've missed something. While I do know that this overlap problem can be resolved by changing the size of images as they show in the articles, some may not want to go to the trouble or even know how to deal with this irksome problem. (I have left that first image size deliberately unedited in the example article mainly to illustrate this problem) Is Knowledge working on this problem of Firefox ignoring automatic separation between image and tables/text?
1690:"Built-in Tools" are also non-browser specific system-wide solutions (BTW "Tools" should've been lowercased). Strangely though 6.3.1 is a sub-sub-category of 6 "Browser add-ons & proxies" when system services aren't plugins or proxies. Perhaps 6 could be renamed to "Browser plugins, proxies, and system-wide services" and a "proxies & system-wide services" sub-section could list operating systems or desktop environments, followed by system services for each. Under the OS X section, there could be an asterisk saying that Firefox doesn't support system services as of now. For the Plug-ins section, on the other hand, it would make sense to list browsers as opposed to desktop environments.
1700:"Opera kiosk mode filtering" is listed under "Browser add-ons & proxies." From what I can tell, it's neither, right? Ack, this article is a bit messy. I was also wondering if the undo feature in textareas and textfields are something that comes with the Windows OS because it seems like practically every tf/ta in every Windows app has this feature, while this isn't the case with OS X. If it is some sort of Windows thing, then it might also be listed under a hypothetical future "system services" section. --
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are allowed to overlap, which is good, because they're boxes, and so anything else would result in oddity. Consider the checkmark at the right: its box overlaps this paragraph's box. Fortunately, this paragraph is nice and flexible, so it can flow around the checkmark; tables aren't so flexible, so
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I still have 1.0 on another machine and it renders the pages just fine, as does IE. Has anyone else seen this? One problem I had was that I installed 1.0.1 not realizing you were supposed to remove 1.0 first, then removed 1.0 and found 1.0.1 was removed too, so I had to reinstall it. I'll try a clean
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I upgraded from
Firefox 1.0 to 1.0.1, and it renders the "diff" pages differently (and badly). The yellow and green boxes are missing, as is the red-bolding of the changed text. The latter in particular has a serious impact on usability. There are other, minor, but still regressive rendering changes.
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Using Opera 7.53, I'm experiencing permanent problems with mouse-selecting a text on the Web-pages (both on-line and saved to my HDD). The selection block is either missing corner parts of the paragraphs or remains on screen despite following mouse actions. And this bug seems to be irrelevant to what
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I am not a font expert, but isn't this a simple case of not having the appropriately-sized bitmap font? If Camino defines "small" to mean "80%-size", and your bitmapped font has, say, 16 pixel and 10 pixel sets, and your normal font is 16 pixels, 80% would come out to 12.8 pixels, which might just be
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I used to get those login timeouts. Not any more. That is workin "bueno" now. The diffs though occasionally only leave a very small portion of the current revision visible, and of course there is no scroll-bar with this browser. I have tried to figure what could possibly cause such a rare and totally
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in the HTTP headers and be able to interact appropriately with browsers' requests to fetch updates when the exist while allowing unchanged pages to be cached, but this hasn't been done yet. If you know how to do it right, help would be welcome, otherwise I have to stare at RFCs for a while and figure
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I use
Internet Explorer 6.0. When I have been surfing the web and I want to keep the web pages I have seen, I can copy them from the IE-cache. However, of wikipedia articles only the graphic files are stored. The htm-files are not there. I can only save them one by one during surfing, not afterwards.
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I think it has to do with some font (or fonts) being used under their "Pro" version, as I've had a similar problem when I used the font "Adobe
Garamond Pro": the "Expert" version of this font can display similar characters. However it is not the font used here, as Garamond has serif and the "Firefox
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Safari renders all pages here at
Knowledge just fine. The only thing that does not work is when you make the page too small from left to right. Then the text in the upper right region overlap the left column. Drag the Safari window bigger (the horizontal size) and see if that fixes things. Also,
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So I slipped -- it would have been clearer if I said that
UnicodeChecker was a solution for Firefox, as opposed to an add-on. Indeed, it's an independent application as opposed to a browser plug-in, for example, and it works with other browsers. Much of the items under 6.3.1 (as indexed in the TOC)
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We should not be ignoring a browser used by a larger number of people than any other browser on the
Internet. It's one thing to have a policy like that for tools used by our active participants, but we want our content to look good to people who are turning to us as an encyclopedia, not as a hobby.
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Mozilla's default style sheets. It's not a percentage value (which works fine if we force it, be it 75% or 80% or whatever), rather it ratchets down to the next-smaller value in a fixed list. Certain values are particularly bad: 10pt translates to something like 13.33 pixels, and so it picks
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I've discovered a bit of the problem. Camino + Cologne Blue together don't show small!!! I was using
Cologne Blue. :-( So I guess that leaves me with the problem of which do I chose - nice skin + IE (aaaaaagh!) or yuch skin + camino (aaaaagh!) Maybe I'll sleep on it. BTW, re the floating quickbar,
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at all, putting all text into the same size (which sort of f**ks up captions carefully laid out using the commands), safari is brilliant but times out after 60 seconds (which means that 4 times out of 5 lately on wiki it fails to enter a page, change a page, etc). I thought camino was fail-safe but
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The tan background for talk pages displays as white on the latest versions of Opera, Safari, Netscape
Navigator, OmniWeb, and Internet Explorer running under OS X 10.2.4, and have never shown up on any OS X version of any browser. I am going to put this bug back in the article. I haven't tried OS
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There were (some months ago) significant problems with old versions of pages getting 'stuck' in IE browser caches (eg edit a page, hit save, you're sent back to the page... and you see the previous version still!), so the software was changed to simply tell browsers not to cache. It would be better
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This afternoon information for two uploaded images was almost complete when Firefox vanished from the screen. Troubleshooting Firefox will be a goose chase which may never succeed. At this rate the project may never be completed. If Dillo can work, good. It's fast. It isn't bogged with JavaScript.
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Using Blazer 4.3 under PalmOS Garnet v. 5.4.9 on a Palm T|X, Knowledge text is rendered unreadable, as indicated on the main page for this talk page. When following the suggestions on the main page (attempted under username togr-palm), my handheld now crashes when I try to load the wikipedia main
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This is getting silly, but I'll explain why I did my second edit. "Safari" got replaced with "Mac OS X browsers" by someone else, so my second edit reverted that. UnicodeChecker and CocoAspell aren't Mac OS X browsers, they're Safari add-ons, which they were originally listed under as. Secondly,
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Hello, I use an updated version of IE on a quite updated previous century GUI OS from Redmond, WA, and after I started using the 'new default skin' (?) after the recent server installs, both stub links and broken links display the same -- as red links. Before, with the 'yellow' skin ('standard'?),
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If it were on meta, no one would ever see it. I wouldn't, to be sure. The idea is practical usefulness and I think the Knowledge namespace is the right home for that. There could be something more elaborate and "meta" on meta, referenced from here, but I'd like this page to answer the question:
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It would be inconvenient for themselves if users did that, but when UnicodeChecker is listed specifically under Safari, they shouldn't expect it to work with Firefox. Also, if a user has ever used Firefox on OS X and are aware about system services, they should know that Firefox works with not a
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I do not think that articles should try to account for ephemeral font and browser issues, even of popular browsers. At most, the Knowledge software could be tweaked to render such cases for buggy browsers, the underlying code staying the same (the tweaking could simply be removed once the browser
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single system service in the Services menu, even about a dozen that comes included with the OS. There's nothing that system services can do since Firefox has not been coded to take advantage of it. I can see how some sort of warning for Firefox users could be added somehow, somewhere, eventually.
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Bit map fonts? MacOS X does not understand your strange terminology, it's all magic vector truetype display PDF smoothy anti-aliased crud. ;) Defining 80% also works fine, while pumping the font zoom up to HUGE shows only the tiniest of visible changes without the explicit percentage definition.
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I added an HTML comment to a page I was working on (for a semi-good reason) and it munged up the editing process in Konqueror - the existence of the comment caused it give up before finishing the textarea. I assume it doesn't affect (at least some) other browsers, since someone else went in and
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C'mon! (all that follows is good-natured. don't be angry.) I hate Microsoft like you hate Hitler. And I don't like AOL too much, either. Netscape 4.7 is fine. Calling it merely "obsolete" is like calling a mint-condition 1940 Maserati "obsolete". Even LYNX (my first browser, before Mosaic was
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there should be a table half way down detailing the results of the season so far. In IE, it is perfect, with the names along the top being shown vertically. But in Firefox, the names are being shown horizontally accross the page making the table far to wide when using firefox. Any fixes ?
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Exemple : My best choice on the en.wiki is Opera. The quickest. However I cannot use it when a page is too long, since it is cutting it in parts. It is also the best choice when I jump on the fr.wiki. However, it is a disastrous choice for the meta, as it destroys all the special characters.
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of things are broken in Netscape 4 (the exact set of broken things will vary from page to page, setting to setting, day of the week to phase of the moon) and I'm afraid there's little interest among the developers in supporting it. You are more than welcome to make specific suggestions for
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Anyway I'm rather inexperimented with Mac OS (and I also find very stupid the way you need to "Activate" fonts in Suitcase in order to use them... on M$ and Linux, you install a font, you install a font: no need to activate it or whatever), so I have no clue how to fix this problem.
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I'm surprised this hasn't been noted here before (or it just me!?), but I've noticed that Firefox seems to ignore automatic separation between image and tables/text in Knowledge articles. This causes some images to overlap text and tables. (For an example, see the Knowledge article,
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I never had problems with Mozilla 1.1a, and have no problems now with Mozilla 1.2a (on Windows 2000). Could you give examples of particular pages and particular actions which produce problems, and describe precisely what happens, and tell us which operating system you're running on?
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sits between you and the rest of the internet and (invisibly to you) stores ("caches") web pages so that they load faster the second time around. Internet Service Providers often run caching proxys. If these proxy servers are not configured correctly, the above problem occurs.
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This seems to show artcile pages differently as from today with the inforbox on top of the artcile rather than at the side. If I swicth to IE it displays normally. Apologie sif not right place, but I am not sure whether this is a Wiki chnage or the new Firefox version.?
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for a list of browsers that are known to work or not work correctly with the UTF-8 encoded wikis (meta, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Esperanto; and post-conversion Polish, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) As for the mystery logouts when using multiple wikis, I can only say that I've
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improvements to the HTML output that will make Netscape 4 render most things correctly without breaking the code in general. (By specific suggestions, I mean an actual example of working code.) My honest recommendation, though, is to upgrade to a more capable browser.
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When the page is too long, I switch to Netscape. But must then change my settings, as it doesnot support the cologne settings (overlapping text and quick bar). However, Netscape is not a good choice either on the meta, where it tends to add weird spaces in the text.
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command. It is as if the designers of these things all get a perverted pleasure in putting some little glitch just to annoy users. :-) Is there anything out there for a mac that doesn't chop pages, muck up captions, move around pictures or time out after a minute?
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Your problem is almost undoubtedly related to a bad font -- I had the same problem until I deactivated a few duplicate fonts. FontBook can clean up duplicates and solve the problem, but I don't know how to address it with Suitcase, although probably someone else
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the next-smaller size of... 13 pixels! If you zoom the text size way up in Camino, the 0.33 difference turns into a couple of whole pixels and is visible, but at normal size the font scaling rounds the 10pt text to 13px, the same as the "smaller" text. See bugs
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I have no idea what that means, but I found out the hard way it's true -- I've had trouble several times on Knowledge when an image in an article had been updated, and I kept getting the old one even when I refreshed the article page. I'm using IE 5.5. --
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Anyone else having trouble with alt-e and alt-s not editting pages but instead going to the Firefox Edit menu with 2.0? I just noticed this tonight (I think this is the 1st time I've tried in 2.0). Could be something dumb I've done or could be 2.0 issue.
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Which part doesn't fit in? The part that says "doesn't work for Firefox." Now if UnicodeChecker was listed as a cross-browser solution, then it would make sense to say that it doesn't work with a non-Safari app, but it's specifically listed under Safari...
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Even non-Latin fonts render well, in many cases. I know the Cyrillic alphabet (as used in Russian). Just checked Hebrew, of which I have only a very partial knowledge, but seems to work. Am adding Firefox to list of OK browsers for Mac OS X. Among the
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They're not Safari add-ons, they're system services that work with any OS X program, including web browsers, which use the standard system text fields. This may already include OmniWeb or Opera, for all I know. It dose work in a web browsing tab in
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None of the Macintosh browsers seems to pick up the different background colors between article and talk pages. I didn't even know they existed until I was baby-sitting the grandchildren the other night and had to use my son's Wintel (ugh!).
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commands are in or simply the middle line is used here, appears as large italics on Camino 0.7 but small italics on IE. (Good God. I knew if I wated long enough I'd find something good to say about Explorer. So it isn't 100% crap, merely 95%!
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page, the box showing how Cantonese is written overlaps the article's table of contents page. This happens in Firefox 2.0 with the window at about 60% of screen width (1024x768), but not when Firefox is maximized nor in IE6 at 60% width.
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Version numbers for the Firething and lizard are imperative: older versions of Gecko have serious CSS implementation failures which affect the new standard Knowledge skin. But Gecko 1.4 seems to work relatively good on Windows also.
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Safari is based on the Konqueror HTML rendering engine, I don't know whethter that encompases such things as login/cookie management, but everything works fine under Konqueror - maybe you could describe your problems more acurately.
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I'm having trouble with the character encoding on my brower - it's mozilla 1.1 and the default encoding is iso8859-1. It makes any accents or unusual characters turn into rubb!sh and make a mess of the edit. Anyone know about this?
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Here's a more indepth description: When I go to the login page and type in my user name and password and click "login", red lettered words inform me that my user name does not exist. At other times I can login with no problem.
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No, it's still the same. It looks like maybe the "Hong Kongese constitutional changes" item is setting the width of the sidebar to be too wide? It renders properly in IE, and Netscape, though. So it might be a Safari problem.
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A few months ago, Safari 4.0.2 on OS X 10.4.11 started often displaying only a blank page when I tried to open a Knowledge page. In all cases a page refresh loads the page properly, but it happens so often, it's danged annoying.
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The second is with the new Beta 3 release of Firefox 3, issued today. It gives me all gibberish: instead of regular text (and I repeat: "regular" text, as the links all display properly), I get all kinds of odd characters.
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Practical standards and guidelines are good, but in the end typography is like writing. In many cases, you have to make the call and do what works best in the situation. Italicizing the colon here is the right choice.
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stubs had a brownish color while only broken links were red. Could somebody help me out here? (or point me to a more relevant place to get help?). I have already checked several hopefully relevant FAQs but to no avail. --
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I cant't update long articles on my new laptop Acer. I have a fast Adsl conection through ethernet cable. Do I have to change some setting ? When I save the article after some time of waiting the session is cancelled.
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We should be striving for standards that are supported by all sane browsers, and not implementing hacks that annoy users who don't happen to experience your viewing idiosyncrasies. What browser/platform/skin are you
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Is it just me, or does the editing toolbar not appear in Safari? I'm using Safari 2.0.2 (416.12) on Mac OS X 10.4.3. I also have PithHelmet, but the toolbar doesn't appear even when I reload the page unfiltered.
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Suitcase is an Adobe App. OS X comes with something called FontBook by default, and requires fonts to be installed, but there's no separate activation. I suspect you're dealing with something your office has set
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Despite all the browser bashing (it looks bad in netscape too, btw), the correct solution is to italicize the : so that it does not run into the r. Italic punctuation was created specifically to fix that problem.
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I don't think the beginning makes sense. Also, the given revision and the previous (and next) revisions look exactly the same to me, layout-wise. Overall, though, this should probably be put back with a concrete
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in bugzilla. This may be fixed in more recent versions; but Camino hasn't updated (at least not in release versions) and I haven't tested the just-released Mozilla 1.4 (nor will I have a chance to for a while).
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written) is still a perfectly functional web browser. I often use it. Beats the crap of the modern gas hogs. 4.7 shows the logo funny? What a disaster. It looks funny. So what? So did my third girl friend.
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That they don't work with Firefox is significant, because the Knowledge audience would favour that browser, and it's good to point that out before people go to the trouble of downloading and installing
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Help! Is there any browser out there that doesn't screw up something on wiki? IE does bizarre things to some pictures, won't go into pages over 32K (or rather chops the end off) and turns <small: -->
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they can't. Start points of blocks are fixed by their position and attributes; you can't just shove around blocks with clear: none. IE does, and in this respect it does not comply with standards.
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Firefox 2.0 has pre-empted ALT for the menus, and the default web page key bindings are now based on alt-shift instead. So alt-shift-s should work to save where alt-s used to. (Annoying!).
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article. I've tried with MSIE 5.2.3 and the Hebrew doesn't work. It works with Mozilla and Safari. Also, the 'hide' in the table of contents box is hidden. Can anyone confirm these things? -
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Most of my clients' style guides call for applying italic to ending punctuation after italic text--including periods and commas because they can show up oddly, too, if not italicized.
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I'm removing some text from the Internet Explorer section. Much of it is vague or doesn't even make sense (or perhaps just no longer applies). I am currently using IE6 on XP, SP2.
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The toolbar can be disabled in the Knowledge preferences (I do not see it as well). Maybe this is the problem. I also think that JavaScript must be enabled for it to work.
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I don't know if it's intentional, but I think it'd be more useful to link to individual browser homepages. People w. problems can then check easily for a newer version.
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Mac system service, so it wouldn't be descriptive or necessary to point out that one particular service doesn't work with Firefox, no matter how big Firefox is, because
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As far as the floating quickbar; Cologne Blue really isn't set up for that, so you just get the boring one that's stuck at the top of the page when you scroll. Sorry. --
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This page would be best on meta...for the different wikipedias are not encoded the same way. Some browsers work well on the en, but not at all on the meta for example.
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I always use Mozilla 1.3 on Mac OS X. I suspect that it randomly inserts newlines sometimes in edit boxes, but pics and html and exotic fonts all seem to work fine.
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of the system services work with it. Furthermore, I'll reiterate my original point: It doesn't make sense to point out that UnicodeChecker doesn't work with Firefox
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I have had some trouble logging in. This is probably a browser problem for Safari users (Safari has problems with this site!). Too bad for us Safari users. --
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Also, making your edit for the second time, Mzajac, without discussion in the talk page was trollish and obviously uncalled for. --
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I regularly use Firefox 41.0.2 with Mac OS X 10.6.8. IIRC, I did see font problems with Firefox and Knowledge, some years ago.
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You mean the yellow(buff)/white difference? Certainly present on IE 5.1 on OS 9. Is there another color difference I'm missing?
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I'm adding Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla itself to the list of supported browsers with "no problems" for Unix/Linux.
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I'll try to find exactly which part of the stylesheet is the problem, but thought I'd report the problem at once.
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I have two problems with Firefox on Mac OS X (at the office, since I use M$ Windows and Ubuntu Linux at home).
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Opera 8.54 on Win98SE here. I'm getting a sporadic error editing large pages, usually data tables and such, where
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hum, ok. You're probably right each wiki needs one page on its own. But I'd like a page to answer these questions
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I was going to say that I don't have this problem with any other site, but today when I checked my own Web site,
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It seems to be just an IE shell, not a true distinct browser; as such, it probably has no rendering differences.
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I undestrand that this is not a bug, but this floating feature causes sometimes problems. One example is the
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By the way, all the Gothic characters work fine in my browser (Safari 1.2.4), but only because I downloaded
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are you using the latest Safari 1.0 (v85)? As I said, Safari works fine for me at Knowledge. Good luck. --
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This is a well-known IE rendering limitation/bug, unlikely to get fixed in the next four years or so... --
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to the quirks mode handling if you're running a Gecko-based browser. :P Hit reload to get the new code. --
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It seems to be allright now (has been for some time, starting a couple of days after my posting above). --
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Have you tried refreshing the "blank page"? Sometimes my browser gives me the old version of a page. --
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looks ok for me in Mozilla 1.4 and Camino 0.7... Can you point to a specific page that's problematic? --
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PS - for such practical purposes, each language of wikipedia should have its own version of this page.
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Since using iCab 2.97 on my iBook (running Mac 10.2.8) I have been unable to view the Hebrew in the
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Someone on the #wikipedia IRC channel has just informed me that the same "bug" occurs in Opera 9. —
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Shouldn't the pages at least be conforming HTML? At the moment checking this page itself on the
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the version number of the rendering engine if available) which causes the problem also be cited?
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Something like works for most Wikis. It found it trivial to adapt this synthighligh for SciTE.
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when one wiki doesnot recognise me while I jump through magic links, is that me or my browser ?
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As a workaround, I've patched our JavaScript bits to hack the CSS to revert just <hr: -->
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I get the same thing in IE8, the logo obscures the title and some of the introductory text.
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will not pass through the floated box. Hopefully there's a sane way to work around this. :P
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here. Anyone with information about this browser is welcome to add in the details here. --
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I don't have any problem in my mac os 10 about color. What do you mean by pick up? --
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I've tried various websites and Knowledge pages, and I think NCRs work fine for me.
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certainly having no problems with them. (Mozilla 1.4, Firefox 0.9.1 here) --
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It works for me, and I haven't yet seen any undesirable side effects. –
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This sounds like it's probably a bug in Konqueror. All "<" and ": -->
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for an example of what can occasionally result. More instances follow.
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and see a list of open tasks. To browse help related resources see the
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and I've been doing this to browsers since 1994. Thanks, that worked.
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None of these effects are seen in IE. Has something changed recently?
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answer to that is, quite literally: it's not a bug, it's a feature.
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Putting 'loma prieta' in the search box and hitting 'go' brings up
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to that page. Seems like the more appropriate place to put it. --
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The fact that there is a browser/skin in which the article looks
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That might explain why Camino's not yet up to version 1.0. ;) -
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http://freespace.virgin.net/john.cletheroe/pc_int/ieoe/shift.htm
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What is the cause of that, and can I do something about that? -
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The above for example, irrespective of whether the <div: -->
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I invite you to help fix any remaining problems in our parser.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Browser_notes#Textarea_tools
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If you stay on the same wiki all the time, life is *good*Â :-)
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page, which I've now fixed. Does it render properly now? --
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An alternate solution is to italicise the colon as well.
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Also looks fine to me (Firefox 1.01 on Windows 2000).
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install (in a virtual machine) to see if that works.
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This page does not require a rating on the project's
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lets hope this will bring more users..... <_: -->
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http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~fukav1am/small.png
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1753:Problems with image/text layout in Mozilla Firefox
2166:Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
2101:http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ffyg9.png
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371:reveals some errors that could be easily fixed.
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2144:An image of the problem I get can be seen at
1586:Removed a bit of quirkiness from the article
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2152:Knowledge Font Problem" font has no serif.
2076:Suggestion for Blazer/Palm crashes handheld
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614:Is this still a problem with KDE 3.1x? --
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1997:Opera, symbols to escaped HTML entities
1875:Please add links to individual browsers
1157:Problems with iCab--Can anyone confirm?
349:9, but I will, as my brother runs it.
297:The software sends http headers for it:
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639:Talk:Free_will_and_the_problem_of_evil
2146:http://jetetrouve.com/fonttrouble.jpg
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1469:How to edit with an external editor
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1533:Firefox 1.0.1 bug rendering diffs?
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728:Character encoding in Mozilla 1.1
689:convince the program to refresh.
381:http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/
2129:Firefox on Mac OS X font problem
2058:and set the following variables:
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2027:Firefox 2.0 and shortcut keys?
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108:ask for help on your talk page
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2428:archive page size discussions
2223:, many work, but some don't.
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1711:No editing toolbar in Safari?
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375:Fri Jul 11 00:56:18 UTC 2003
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761:Current Events bug in Safari
449:& leave a note there --
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644:Thanks for your help! --
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855:Loma Prieta earthquake
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768:Knowledge:Village pump
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874:End moved discussion.
602:Knowledge:Bug reports
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2250:Example of ordering:
2015:colspan="2"
1978:Problem with Firefox
1789:Mozilla Bug #241,031
369:w3c validity service
2005:gets replaced with
1608:Mozilla and Firefox
2308:Opera 4 to Opera 6
1831:Cantonese language
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1163:Bible translations
983:James I of England
383:Get crackin! :) --
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