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4182:. To get a clearer picture of such issues, one must strip away the actual content; then the question is reduced to "POV pushing or not". We didn't get to consider anything about Prem Rawat or L Ron Hubbard. Also, our COI policy is not an electric fence. Rather, it's an adjunct to our NPOV policy, intended to make NPOV easier to achieve. If a person with an obvious conflict of interest is capable of editing in a neutral manner, that person should be encouraged to do so. It might make our job a little harder, since we'll have to look a little harder at those edits, but they'll likely be of superior quality. I also know it's a big "if". -- 38:, Arbitrators may place proposals which are ready for voting here. Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or abstain. Only items that receive a majority "support" vote will be passed. Conditional votes for or against and abstentions should be explained by the Arbitrator before or after his/her time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that she/he would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were passed. Only Arbitrators or Clerks should edit this page; non-Arbitrators may comment on the talk page. 2661:
It is not a conflict of interest to edit articles that pertain to one's beliefs, religious or otherwise. To the extent that Jossi's relationship with Prem Rawat is closer or stronger than that, COI issues become more involved, but any COI issues here are ameliorated by Jossi's voluntary disengagement
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7) Knowledge articles that present material about living people can affect their subjects' lives. Knowledge editors who deal with these articles have a responsibility to consider the legal and ethical implications of their actions when doing so. Biographical material must be written with the greatest
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6) Knowledge users are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other users; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute.
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Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and
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Arbitrators may place proposed motions affecting the case in this section for voting. Typical motions might be to close or dismiss a case without a full decision (a reason should normally be given), or to add an additional party (although this can also be done without a formal motion as long as the
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I do not believe that the relative novelty of the Prem Rawat movement means it should be treated as fundamentally more controversial than longer-established religious movements. No sane administrator would advise a Roman Catholic editor not to edit the biography of the Pope, nor advise against any
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when their interests in editing Knowledge, or the interests of those they represent, conflict or potentially conflict with the interests of the Knowledge project in producing a neutral, verifiable encyclopaedia. An editor will have a conflict of interest with respect to an article if, for example,
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The key issue that comes up with Jossi is the extent to which, absent any evidence of disruption or POV-pushing, an editor known to believe very strongly in a cause has an inevitable and disabling conflict of interest when writing about their cause or matters closely related to it. In my view the
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Thus, when a user with a conflict of interest makes contributions, the presence of the conflict is a good reason for close review of those contributions by the community, but the contributions are not necessarily problematic; scrutiny must always be with reference to content policy. The focus, as
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game since the age of eight, was covered in Hammers tattoos, was a past president of West Ham United Supporters Club, and had called his sons after Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst. To what extent would such an editor have a conflict of interest in editing articles related to West Ham United? I would
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While there is no consensus whether or not "criticism of..." child articles are invariably considered to be content forks, such articles must be adequately summarised in the parent article, and their existence does not obviate the necessity that the parent article must by itself represent a
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It is my view that many of the problems alleged with this article have been due to the small number of editors participating in editing. These editors have made good use of intra-party methods of dispute resolution, but should be encouraged to make further use of third-party methods like
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If we wanted to, we could incorporate the 1RR restriction into our decision (thereby moving the enforcement venue to WP:AE) rather than supersede it—but the new restriction probably makes 1RR superfluous, or an administrator may impose it on a particular user as needed.
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article has existed for nearly four years, and has been edited nearly five thousand times, while its talk page has been edited nearly eleven thousand times. However, only a small number of users have made significant contributions to the article (including
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Oppose per discussion on the ArbCom mailing list. There is an outstanding issue that has not been addressed and needs to be before this case closed. Ignoring this issue is not in the best interest of any of the involved parties or the Community.
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and related articles and pages who have or may be perceived as having a conflict of interest with respect to these articles are reminded to review and to comply with Knowledge's policies and guidelines on NPOV and conflicts of interest.
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is strongly advised to maintain his commitment not to edit any articles related to the Prem Rawat movement, but is encouraged to otherwise contribute to the editorial process, for example by contributing to talk page discussions.
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4) Though the presence of a conflict of interest can often explain the production of problematic content, its mere existence is not problematic; indeed, a well-managed conflict of interest can lead to productive contributions.
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I don't agree with the opposes that this is a content finding. The fact that there is a dispute as to a given portion of an article is not a decision by the committee as to what the content of the article should be.
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A temporary injunction is a directive from the Arbitration Committee that parties to the case, or other editors notified of the injunction, do or refrain from doing something while the case is pending.
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The inclusion or exclusion of a "criticism" section (or alternatively, a broader "reception" section) about the Prem Rawat movement, whether in the Prem Rawat article itself or in a child article.
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I tweaked the wording slightly only because I am concerned that two years from now someone might have misconstrued the original finding as changing the voluntary restrictions to involuntary ones.
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Accurate and relevant, although I'm not sure we need the list of names—and I'm curious whether the pattern of editing is really atypical for an article about a topic at this level of notability.
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This seems to overlap with #3 (existing restrictions) and #5 (Jossi) above, though this provides more detail on both of those points. Should these details be merged into those other findings? --
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The neutral point of view's requirement that points of view be represented fairly and accurately, and Knowledge's nature as an encyclopaedia, demand that articles should always use the
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I disagree with this. Jossi's self-imposed restriction is not a requirement under policy and his edits have been responsible, and I read this as hinting that he is causing problems.
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Supporters of football clubs are, in my experience, the first to be critical of their own club's performance if they feel it has let the fans down. Likewise during the ongoing
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1) The purpose of Knowledge is to create a high-quality, free-content encyclopedia in an atmosphere of camaraderie and mutual respect among contributors. Use of the site for
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Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.
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I'm not comfortable singling Jossi out by name and am concerned that an open-ended decision like this with no time limit could be construed later as being binding.
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Although there are various degrees of conflict of interest which may impact the degree to which an editor is encouraged or discouraged from particular activity.
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answer that question as saying that the limit of the conflict of interest would be in relation to the history of the Supporters Club during his own tenure.
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2) Given the general difficulty of managing a conflict of interest, compounded in this case by the independent controversy over the relevant articles,
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Good summary of existing policy. I am strongly guided by the fact that an absolute conflict of interest is restricted. I will explain further below.
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they stand to benefit financially from editing the article, or if the article is about them or about a business or organisation that they represent.
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has, on a number of occasions, indicated that he has a conflict of interest with respect to articles about the Prem Rawat movement (for example
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new party is on notice of the case). Suggestions by the parties or other non-arbitrators for motions or other requests should be placed on the
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fact that this particular cause is a religious movement is something of a red herring. Let us suppose we had an editor who had attended every
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The editing of the article by editors said to be, or acknowledged to be, either supporters or detractors of the Prem Rawat movement; and
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It appears in my Roget's at least; if that's too unwieldy the clause could be changed to something like "and is a foundation issue". --
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The existing voluntary restriction makes it unnecessary to consider whether there should be any formal restrictions at this time. --
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The evidence presented at this time has not disclosed a history of problematic editing, in terms of basic content policy, by Jossi.
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into a series of shorter child articles. When implementing the summary style, care must be taken that child articles do not become
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editing restriction was applied to a number of Prem Rawat related articles for a period of three months beginning 4 March 2008.
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surrounding articles related to the Prem Rawat movement, which has at times provided for a difficult editing environment.
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Not really helpful as written; that something isn't "required" doesn't necessarily mean it's not a good idea regardless.
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Due to Newyorkbrad's resignation, no version of finding #1 (Locus), #6 (Jossi) or remedy #1 (Article probation) passes.
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This shouldn't be taken to imply that Jossi is unable to act appropriately without explicit advice from us, of course.
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article has been the subject of editorial disputes for most of its existence, the most significant of which have been:
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The Committee finished reviewing issues related to the case. No other action is going to be taken at this time.
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I don't know where this is going. It is essentially true but Prem Rawat does not have the characteristics of a '
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Agree with UC - this is a content finding. The locus of this dispute is quite clear from the title of the case.
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3) In light of the relatively narrow participation in these articles to date, all editors are encouraged to
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Proposed as alternative to 1, which I prefer, but it's not going to pass and we ought to adopt something.
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5) Administrative tools may not be used to further the administrator's own position in a content dispute.
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on content, but I see nothing of the sort here; there's no reason not to note the nature of the dispute.
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otherwise. COI rightfully makes material suspect; but this requires stronger examination, not excision.
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For this case, there are 12 active Arbitrators (excluding 1 who is recused), so 7 votes are a majority.
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so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.
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I don't think we need to stray into this region with regard to this particular arbitration case.
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Oppose closure temporarily. We need more votes on proposed finding 1.1 and proposed remedy 2.1.
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We might laud him for his restraint, perhaps, but in this case, he doesn't need our advice.
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At the rate we're going, we might as well put the whole encyclopedia on article probation.
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Four net "support" votes needed to close case (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
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Second bullet is fundamentally a content finding. We issue such findings at our peril.
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did not indicate that Jossi had made problematic edits to the Prem Rawat article. As
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1) All sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision are to be logged at
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I'm also not convinced this is needed here, but perhaps I am missing something.
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I note that the addition of examples would improve the utility of this finding.
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The football analogy isn't bad. We ran into this issue from another angle in
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I might try and dig out some examples to add to this, but it's clearly true.
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24 hours from the first motion is normally the fastest a case will close.
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and discussing proposals with other Arbitrators, parties and others at
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for Prem Rawat related articles, a self-imposed restriction to which
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I am going to continue my principled opposition to empty remedies.
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who were disgusted about what was revealed about some Priests.
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Accurate statement of situation when the case opened.
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1897:Second choice. -- 1074:, is prohibited. 1072:gaming the system 364:Sathya Sai Baba 2 182:original research 115: 4390: 4243: 4225: 4031: 4023: 3668: 3660: 3578:2.1) Editors on 3574:Editors reminded 3512: 3504: 3414: 3387:deleted contribs 3300: 3292: 3155:personal attacks 3143:related articles 3125: 3031: 3023: 2884:In favor of 6.1. 2725: 2717: 2596:in February 2008 2571: 2544:deleted contribs 2490: 2482: 2363:personal attacks 2322: 2314: 2078: 2070: 1944: 1936: 1824:Locus of dispute 1761: 1753: 1622:Locus of dispute 1506:Mostly content. 1455: 1447: 1368: 1360: 1197: 1189: 1048:personal attacks 1010: 1002: 854: 846: 676: 668: 498: 490: 307: 299: 109: 45:Proposed motions 4398: 4397: 4393: 4392: 4391: 4389: 4388: 4387: 4354:Can close now. 4237: 4223:John Vandenberg 4221: 4202: 4197: 4195:Motion to close 4126: 4121: 4086: 4029: 4021: 3924: 3919: 3884: 3732: 3666: 3658: 3576: 3510: 3502: 3372: 3366: 3298: 3290: 3135: 3123: 3088: 3029: 3021: 2909: 2770: 2723: 2715: 2529: 2523: 2488: 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Index

Knowledge:Requests for arbitration
Prem Rawat
/Evidence
/Workshop
/Workshop
other purposes
advocacy or propaganda
furtherance of outside conflicts
original research
bainer
talk
01:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The Uninvited
Inc.
19:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Sam Blacketer
talk
22:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
jpgordon
03:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Newyorkbrad
talk
03:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Kirill
04:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Paul August

19:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
James F.
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