Knowledge:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4

8430:. Implausible search term and not useful. I think this symbol may be used by Croatian neo-Nazis on the internet, but it seems unlikely that someone unfamiliar with this would see it and then look it up on the English Knowledge. People who speak Serbo-Croatian already know what the U represents. In the unlikely scenario that an English speaker sees this and looks it up, the redirect isn't very helpful because it provides no context on the symbol itself as used in the present day. You can look up "ušato U" for the symbol this is meant to represent, which is itself a variant of the symbol seen in the infobox at 1387:, draftspace is not an infinite holding ground for future pages. There is no chance that the page can be "fixed" to survive deletion at this time, so draftification is not the way either. Deleted history is more useful in mainspace; people will see this in logs, and also seen again during the AfC & NPP process if something ever does come up here. With no suitable topic ever being at this title in the current state of production (or lack thereof), 10575: 10194: 9260: 7587: 7568: 7372: 6884: 6511: 6492: 6186: 6167: 5232: 4945: 4926: 4907: 4888: 4587: 4568: 4549: 4530: 3664: 9773:, two sentence-long entries does not seem to inspire a lot of reason for keeping this date as a redirect out of infinite dates, most of which also missing redirects (and it is impractical and implausible to create a redirect for every date that passes at a rate of one a day). No substantial coverage, delete for now, "date redirects" always have shaky precedents and this isn't the spot to iron them out. 2449:. What matters is whether sources exist and how prevalent they are, not whether they are reliable or not. Less than a minute on google found at least 7 sources that clearly identify this as a name for Hanshan Deqing, so it's clearly something that will be searched for. However, it is also clear that the mountain in Arizona is the primary topic so we should retarget there and add a hatnote. 3054:. The game controller sense is most common for me on Google but the firearms sense is most common on Knowledge, indicating no primary topic. However all three spellings are plausible search terms for both of these, and while the vehicle fire sense seems only to be used in the two-word form it is not primary for that spelling. My very weak preference is for the disambig to be at 2365:. The fact that "Silly Mountain" didn't even merit inclusion as a possible name at the latter article (which does include "foolish mountain" as well as the above mentioned "Crazy Mountain") seems to indicate to me that the Arizona mountain is what someone would be looking for searching under this, though it's a plausible translation and probably makes sense to hatnote. 9044: 8111: 10483:. The current target explains the connection to Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. A remake is not a sequel so I'm not convinced that the remake would be considered "Super Mario RPG 2". If others disagree, I think the solution would be to simply remove the anchor since the remake is also discussed at the same article. -- 3758: 7466: 1792:

erm, someone must have removed it. the info I was trying to direct to was just under "public opinion", and I've also been changing similar redirects to wherever has been the current destination since nobody could figure out where it goes in the article. I think it was also discussed in the talk page.

1597:. There was some suggestion of retargeting this to Casting couch but there was enough opposition that I don't see a consensus for that. Given the way this current redirect fails our BLP policy, even if there had been consensus for a retarget, deletion of the history would have still been appropriate. 8448:

I wouldn't be surprised if this gets used in some sort of Internet vernacular, could it be a plausible search term? Goodness knows fringe organization sympathisers congregate in Internet forums, so it's plausible that they may have developed this sort of a shorthand without regular people noticing,

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I couldn't find any reliable sources that call Hanshan Dequing "Silly Mountain". Googling for it shows a few dozen self-published sites and college papers, but it's not clear to me it's a common translation in literature at all. Searching for "Silly Mountain" on its own pretty exclusively brings up

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Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen

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Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would

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The status quo looks correct to me. Is Chengdu Tianfu International Airport commonly known as "Chengdu Airport"? The article gives "Tianfu Airport" as the shorthand for that one. On the other hand, the article says that the shorthand for Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport is "Chengdu Airport".

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article doesn't have a sub-section regarding the pronunciation of her name, given that this topic has actually garnered a fair bit a media coverage and that the pronunciation of her name has been a political... thing-- deliberate mispronunciations by the opposing side to make her seem more foreign

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Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with

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to this name for proper capitalization. However, the original creator of the redirect states that this is a common name for the target airport. Would need sources to confirm this, and I'm unsure if this is even an appropriate redirect (due to the disambiguation page).

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The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine.

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that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Knowledge), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia;

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Automatic firearms are most commonly referred to as simply "automatic", or at most "automatic fire", in my experience, but I'm willing to accept that some variant of "auto?fire" can refer to them in other dialects. A dab is fine by me.

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neither Google nor the internal search engine (nor any other search engine I'm aware of) distinguish between "-U-" and "U" so it is impossible to use them to verify how the term is used ("U" obviously being overwhelmingly more common).

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and to appeal to racists, for example. If such a section existed, I'd suggest refining to that section, but said section does not exist, so the existing target is fine. It will inform a confused searcher what it means well enough.

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per Fieari, B2C and Presidentman. This term is in use and people unfamilar with it will look it up on Knowledge to find out who it is referring to and it will also be used by some people who can't remember how her name is spelled.

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should be a more appropriate target. Definition of "one-up" is "to practice oneupmanship on" per Merriam Webster. The video game term is spelled exclusively as "1-up" in the target article. "One ups" isn't even mentioned in

904:. Someone passing by this page months or years from now, desiring to resurrect the article, *and* confident in the film's notability (because something significant about its status has changed), may feel free to request a 780:, no opinion about whether one of these airports should have a primary topic redirect. However, if consensus is to dabify, the existing lower case dab page should be moved and cleaned up rather than creating a duplicate. 8093: 5671:, redirect contains zero valuable history, r without mention is not helpful and no action-plan for coverage exists, so delete this until content IS added at a particular page which would warrant the incominging redir. 1511:

shows no use of the year 2015. But if that's the concern, then a new RfD would be the way as your concern is entirely different from the film-specific concern discussed here. No need to slow this one to slow this one.

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This film is not discussed at the target page; therefore, it cannot be kept. The subject is not notable, canned since planned in 2015 with no evidence of anything besides an empty IMDb page. Cannot be restored per

8745:, I created it. It’s a nickname for her used on social media because she pronounces her name “comma la”, or “,la”. So someone might search for this. Plus it’s a convenient shortcut. Note that someone else created 3844:

are where I got the list to go through all the Burmese villages. The late RMs got deleted, however- I think the places listed there are in my user contribution history of new pages made from 15 March to 18 March.

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as well since there is very little chance the film will ever be made or be notable enough as an unmade film to have its own article. I don't see the point in draftifying it. Also, the current target is confusing.

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I've added a number of related redirects in which "CountryName Year" redirects ended up being deleted or retargeted. There is precedence for deleting this redirect based on a number of deletions over the years.

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per Tavix, who said basically what I would have said. Remakes aren't sequels, and Paper Mario may have been loosely connected but it really is its own thing, and the current target explains this well enough.

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This discussion should have all of the JD Vance/couch redirects as a bundle. There are multiple ones (that all point to nonexistent sections of his article) and this discussion is only handling one of them.

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No reason for coordinates in a redirect title, and there are no sources that suggest this title will be particularly useful for navigating (i.e.: nothing actually calls the subject by its coordinate name).

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per Tavix. The Unicode text definition (which is ever-stable) takes precedence over the the appearance as the latter may change and may vary wildly depending on which font group/version is rendering it.

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Assumed that "Chengdu Airport" isn't created yet, it would be plausible to create new disambiguation page of it contained two major airports in Chengdu (except if Chengdu Tianfu Airport isn't exist).

8850:. unless a source can be crammed somewhere in the article, in which case my vote can be changed to just keep. with that in mind, i found some, and will properly check them in a few minutes (3 hours) 8907:(thanks, qoh), but i'm not an expert on yeehawland politics, so i'll leave opinions on whether or not those three are worth adding to her article to someone else. if they're determined usable, then 671:

As for the lowercase variant, one would be looking for an airport in Chengdu, not an airport named "Chengdu Airport". The disambiguation does list the airports in Chengdu, but I would suggest that

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to Fishing. It's a broader target which would incorporate the "AND FISH" part of the definition. The emoji is employed when discussing fishing in general, not specifically for fishing poles. --

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I don't think remonstrance is a synonym for "protest" (in the sense of a political protest). From what I can tell, it seems to be more of a synonym for disagreement instead. We do have

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Delete or Retarget per Apokrif, no strong feelings either way. I don't see what the issue with the retarget is, except that its a one-liner and not very useful. The list entry does say

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removed it completely. So now we have no draft for the uppercase version. If there is support for separate pages for the uppercase and lowercase versions, my version can be restored.

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on sussy stuff in the fishing scene. no longer mentioned in the target or in the icoij's article, so all we're left with is a vague term that could refer to pirates for all we know

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during its development, a fact that is mentioned in its article. outside of that, the name is also found in certain unused rooms in that game, but that hasn't been covered yet.

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procedure. Waiting a week to delete a page, for the sake of waiting a week to delete a page, feels like bureaucratic bureaucracy. Whether or not you concur with this logic idk.

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nope, the info is there, but yeah. a more helpful redirect would have been "JD Vance couch sex" or something. I can agree with the re-target to the obviously more established "

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Imo if there is consensus to delete Magik (2015 film) and Magik (film), there is consensus to delete Magik (2015). Especially so as this third page has no substantial history.

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Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target.

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not only is this not mentioned at the target (or anywhere else) the only connection between the two seems to be they both publish iOS games. The deleted history is unrelated.

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and call it a day, but it turns out that's a dab, and there are two fish that can be referred to as "yabby", though the verb seems to refer mostly to the crayfish. opinions?

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This doesn't seem like a plausible search term for the target. The redirect was recently created and there are no links, so I don't really see a need to retarget either. -

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Appears to be an extremely obscure term for "Bad Boys of SNL" which is already a redirect to "History of Saturday Night Live". This redirect is obscure and unnecessary.

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per Thryduulf. The repeatedly hitting a game controller button sense of the word is most primary to me, but there does seem to be evidence that it is not in fact the

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as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because

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Keep. The redirect doesn't have an ambiguous target and discussion of the heroes is available there, even if the blademasters isn't called out as being one such.

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page, where it erroneously called the episode "Chapter Two: MADMAX". I realised later that the redirect had the wrong title, but wasn't sure how to delete it.

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you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive.

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and so people looking for it are equally likely to be looking up the ALttP incarnation as the LA one. I'm not willing to Pokemon Test random LoZ bosses. —

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there's clearly at least three target articles here (extra life, middle finger and oneupmanship) so a dab is suitable without a suitable primary topic.

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Although one of the references includes "couch sex", it's not discussed in the actual article, and I'm curious if something like this will blow over...

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the creation of a disambiguation page as previously stated. The distinction between the two similarly named airports is not obvious to the uninitiated.

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isn't the primary topic for the concept of sandwiches, jd vance isn't the primary topic for the concept of having sex in (or with) a couch. i'd say

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and delete all similar- there are a lot of these left over from a large disamb renaming/page moving that I did of many villages added in northern

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I've converted the DAB page back into a redirect as the games are not going to happen in Melbourne - added a hatnote to the 2006 games instead.

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What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day.

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i disagree, as those have the (in)decency of actually mentioning the guy. this one has been nominated specifically because it doesn't do that

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shouldn't be mentioned except maybe as a label of the button on gamepads, not the 286-era clock speed button our article there is about;

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Now an Undead Death Knight, Arthas meets with the leader of the dreadlords, Tichondrius, who tasks him with resurrecting Kel'Thuzad

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per Mangoe, Casting couch is not an acceptable substitute. This cannot be a dab. Do not bundle other mentioned redirects with this.

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Is it likely that the bulk of our readers would associate this term with a single topic as the bulk of sources would do the same?

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It is one of a handful of primary locations introduced with the expansion. Should already be mentioned. It is not arcane cruft.

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I think most of the others got approved by others during NPP. Unfortunately, I didn't save the original list. The three RMs at

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and then it might be useful to allow regular people to look this up if encountered... In general, I'd say the listing at

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but there weren't any others listed like it in the feed. Do you happen to know where I could find a full list of these?

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I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed.

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This type of misspelling doesn't relate at all. I do prefer entire deletion since there isn't much history to keep.

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can be "Silly Mountain" - "Crazy Mountain" is in the article, but "Silly Mountain" can be used to distinguish from

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either, so I tilt towards deletion in either case, but it's only the Vance target that carries serious BLP issues.

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series, meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about fictional worms.

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is an acceptable substitute. Someone may be looking for pointers on how do to it without falling off, after all.

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This is at least unambiguous due to the disambiguation, but the sole mention of "death knight" at the target is

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at least – it has no meaningful page history and the year disambiguator doesn't apply anymore. Probably delete

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and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to

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unless a mention is added. Readers searching this phrase will be led to nothing with the current situation.

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but search is finding a number of unrelated uses so I'm not sure the fictional race is the primary topic.

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per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process.

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should be moved per Liance above, and then retargeted to the new DAB (which should include said song).

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 4, 2024.

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to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against

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changed it from draft to disambiguation page by overwriting the redirect, and made it a duplicate of

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Does not appear to be branded as "Australia 2032" from what I've searched, just as "Brisbane 2032".

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Is it an ambiguous name that our readers might encounter in reference to several topics in sources?

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is equally a valid target. Where there are multiple valid targets, we disambiguate. I agree that

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and hatnote to the monk. Retarget Silly mountain to Silly Mountain as an alternate capitalization.

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Not convinced this is the likeliest search term, but it is in use to refer to the VP (see, e.g.,

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Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of this redirect is a "boss" enemy in several

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and targeted to whichever article is ultimately decided as the most appropriate by consensus. ~

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