162:- Just did a first review - generally looking good. I did notice some sentences and statements without citations - perhaps these are supported by a nearby citation, but for FA purposes would wonder if each statement/sentence would need to be locked down with a source? References list shows 78 of the 178 entries are "Ismay" - perhaps some secondary citations should accompany some of these cases to provide a better balance between primary/secondary sources. Seems consistent with
452:, it appears that HMSO may (as you state) still have copyright protection in the United States for its work published between 1946 and 1957, but it appears that they have relinquished that right. According to the email, "material published in 1954, and any Crown copyright material published before that date, would now be out of copyright, and may be freely reproduced throughout the world." This would seem to apply to the image in question.
433:: unfotunately this runs into another problem. This image lapses into UK public domain only from 1998 (1947 + 50 + 1). There is an international treaty, the URAA, which restores/extends copyrights for foreign works that are not in their source country's public domain by 1 January 1996. As this image is still copyrighted in UK in 1996, and is under Crown Copyrights, the photo is copyrighted in US until at least 2019 or later.
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Wingate, but I don't really see the point in doing so as Ismay's memoirs were one of Wingate's principal sources to begin with.
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Any sentence not cited is covered by the next citation; in my experience this is generally considered sufficient. Sure, many of the sources are Ismay's memoirs, but those provide more detail and depth than any other source available, so they were quite useful in filling the details. I think you'll
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War Book is actually part of a larger quotation: "was responsible for seeing that all plans and preparations made by
Government Departments or sub-committees of the CID to meet the eventuality of war, were incorporated under appropriate headings in a document known as the War Book." Thus, it's not
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I have now gone through the article quite thoroughly, supplementing the citations to Ismay's memoirs with a citation to a secondary, so that the majority of them (other than quotes) are now sourced to a secondary source. It would be possible, if reviewers feel it is necessary, to remove the Ismay
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Hastings Ismay for your consideration. Already a MILHIST A-Class article, I've given the article several style passes since that time and let it age for a while to allow others to improve it as well. I have heard some complaints about the lead image in the article, but frankly it's the
698:"...to take control of the forces in Somaliland and finish off Hassan once and for all". The expression "...finish off Hassan once and for all" is not a quote, and is surely unencyclopedic. It makes him sound like a wounded dog. I suggest "...fight a conclusive battle against Hassan's forces".
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So far as I know, when used to mean "autobiography", the memoir is generally used in the plural (memoirs). As Ismay himself entitled them "memoirs" it seemed most appropriate to carry forward this usage. "Usually, memoirs. a. an account of one's personal life and experiences; autobiography."
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be less pov? I don't imagine his followers called him the Mad Mullah. Not a big deal if you are happy with current phrasing.
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THe part on the Mad Mullah has been rephrased. Thanks for the comments!
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