571:
how many end up in academic journals (or even in RPGamer and such sites) is unclear, due to the anti-modernist bias of most literature departments.), that aspect of the game is not verifiable. It might also be pertinent to take a mergist attitude and cut down and merge the planes into the Ace Combat article itself (and by this I mean one line per plane). However, I cannot accept The
Electrosphere (the fansite that sam was talking about) as an RS because there is material that is known to be unreliable there.
449:, includes plot and character summaries which given your incorrect application of RS means they should be deleted. RS isn't the be all and end all, primary sources are valid. Now, if the entire subject (the game) lacked reliable secondary sources, then it probably isn't notable, of which this is not the case. -
653:
Actually after the first time I had to find all the info again and rewrite it then I made the copy onto a disk as I do with all other articles I care about (better to be safe than sorry), so yes I have the info. But can someone create a link to where I can write another until its ready to come here.
345:
I made the article after Ace Combat X Super
Aircraft was deleted to improve the article to make sure it met the requirements that were given then it was speed deleted with no reason as to what was wrong with it so I remade it and posted on the talk page asking what was wrong with it but it was speed
570:
there is the
Ultimania guide (my guess is that this is enough to satisfy WP:V). The other school of thought is that until somebody writes critical commentary on the subject of the planes in Ace Combat (this isn't impossible; people write essays on the impact of games and plots all the time, though
532:
For a series as long running as Ace Combat, there's bound to be fansites and walkthroughs published in the gaming press. But that's not even that relevant as the primary source for the article (the game itself) is perfectly adequate and can be verified in game. As in the example articles mentioned
382:
Wait a second
Eletrosphere is a good source it has more info than us I always take away the fanfiction from it though but its not that much. Please point out any fanfiction (Fancruft also) you see there. I guess I could find a source to replace the Ace Combat place I'll get working on that. And how
561:
Well, there are several schools of thought on this. One would prefer plot summaries and character summaries not from the primary source material itself, but I realize it's hard to get this kind of thing without violating copyrights (of whomever writes the plot summary). I looked at
819:
There are sources that clearly prove this is a notable list. The closing admin let his own judgment get in the way when he closed it. He was acting in a very very biased manner. This article should be undeleted so it can be expanded upon. It is not "listcruft, as you call it.
1068:
I raised the DRV to assist the original creator who is new to
Knowledge. I'll wait for him to respond, as my Arabic is minimal and he's already insulted my skills in the language once. BTW, I believe that's his picture on source #2. (Matches what's on arwiki:
998:
I can't read arabic, but the autotranslator did pick out his name in sources 1-3, 5. The French source #4, in taking about another writer says that Khalil Kalfat strongly influenced writers in the 1960's. I don't know if it is the same person or not.
402:
Acually I made this article without first obtaining the aircraft in the game so at first most of the info came from there then I added my own info. Eletrosphere has both quanity and quality only some of the info is fan based and I always delete that
695:
617:
488:
Well, game guides are definitely going to have information on them and fan sites. But generally, reviews and critical commentary are not going to cover the characters and plot. You're certainly not going to find a plot synopsis of
392:
What is this "Eletrosphere" thing you're talking about? You never mentioned this in the original AfD. Unfortunately, quantity of information doesn't always imply quality of information, or even reliability of information.
441:
These are articles on in-universe information which is mostly derived from primary sources (the game itself). Sections like this are split out when they get too long for the parent article, such as
766:
161:
Angry
Nintendo Nerd is gaining internet fame and there are articles about many other internet video game/animation series on Knowledge. Therefore the article should be undeleted and unprotected
1116:
292:
516:
Fansites, if big enough, I consider acceptable sources, although not enough to ever get FA quality. I could be mistaken, but I don't think any good fansites gave this information, either. -
758:
731:
810:
702:
603:
387:
284:
257:
1092:
654:
Sad I can't find any links all of them are complete crap like "This aircraft is believed to be able to fly in outerspace". I f somone could stumple upon one that would be great.
687:
1119:
for example until the article is well translated and sourced then it is moved to the Main name space. After all, as you know, the best result of an afd is a rescued article.--
627:
993:
436:
407:
397:
375:
1091:. I have read the Arabic sources (but not the French as my French is not very good) and confirm that the subject of the article is notable. Google gives 17 300 results for
1050:
876:
336:
658:
108:
1077:
1063:
1123:
1107:
228:
182:
632:
Sam, you stated when the article was deleted for the third time that you have a copy saved (plus you have been able to recreate it already on multiple occasions).
1025:
1003:
1021:
I don't think that's sufficient to overturn the AfD decision. Not sure how to proceed with this one. Userfy if someone with Arbaic language skills asks for it? ~
547:
527:
511:
483:
463:
359:
Pointed the AfD to point to the AfD mentioned by the deletion log. Anyways, primary sources ("play the game") cannot be used to argue for an article's existence (
575:
493:
on LexisNexus. It's not just computer games for which this is the case, but with other articles using primary sourced information, such as the plot synopsis in
648:
775:
770:
779:
977:
843:
219:
804:
762:
350:
301:
296:
152:
305:
983:
821:
330:
288:
1012:"d’autres écrivains et critiques, comme Khalil Kalfat qui a contribué largement à jeter la lumière sur la génération d’écrivains des années 1960."
191:
44:
824:
955:
165:
58:
367:. Find third-party reliable sources that talk about this subject in detail, keeping in mind that fan websites, blogs and forums are not
53:
363:) and there's no third-party reliable sources. It's also written in a way that nonplayers cannot understand what's going on, violating
1016:"other writers and critics, like Khalil Kalfat who has largely contributed to shed light on the generation of writers of the 1960's"
1099:
is also correct. Also, I would like to add that these sources are not trivial. The article is within the scope of the newly formed
117:
112:
784:
121:
310:
796:
146:
104:
490:
322:
1045:
522:
478:
442:
431:
533:
above, why should fan sites be cited for plot synopses when we can use its primary source, ie the film/game itself. -
920:
915:
49:
1070:
924:
792:
446:
126:
949:
907:
318:
788:
21:
1055:
First find someone to work on it that reads Arabic, then userfy for them. Until that person steps forward,
138:
929:
497:. I'm not saying that the outcome of the AFD was incorrect (yet), just that your reasoning seems flawed. -
214:
314:
1100:
205:
941:
1134:
886:
854:
741:
713:
699:
655:
600:
404:
384:
347:
267:
239:
83:
17:
599:
find one if not two but when I find them how will I edit the article when I can't edit the article?
383:
am I supposed to fix the article when I cannot edit it to make so that nonplayers can also read it.
30:
971:
134:
624:
563:
1074:
980:
613:
130:
965:
937:
1022:
990:
974:
225:
179:
968:
8:
684:
100:
73:
933:
1103:. In addition, I am ready to translate any text from Arabic to English or vice versa.--
911:
621:
425:
are needed, and you do not have them. Having lots of info does not imply reliability. -
494:
472:
sources outside of the game which give the plot of MGS3, or the characters in FFX? -
1096:
572:
394:
372:
175:
642:
620:. You can edit it there to add the sources and come back here when you're ready.
609:
680:
364:
1059:. I note that the DRV requester here has babel boxes, not including Arabic.
260:– Deletion endorsed, article currently userfied – 00:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
903:
872:
838:
832:
544:
534:
508:
498:
460:
450:
162:
1095:
All of the given Arabic sources are about the same person. The link to the
1060:
1040:
676:
588:
567:
517:
473:
426:
422:
368:
360:
346:
deleted again without telling me what was wrong with it so I could fix it.
1120:
1104:
1000:
224:
Please create an article in user space first and list here for review. ~
633:
694:
Why are you even voting I don't think people care until I'm done with
76:– Speedily closed, no new information – 20:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
196:
178:
and follow links to deletion review subpages), no new evidence. --
1088:
616:
you a copy, that is create a copy of the deleted article at
537:
501:
453:
1115:: Any administrator can copy the article and paste it at
696:
User:Sam ov the blue sand/Ace Combat X Fictional
Aircraft
618:
User:Sam ov the blue sand/Ace Combat X Fictional
Aircraft
1039:, pending someone who reads Arabic to translate. -
734:– Speedy endorse – 14:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
830:Usual briefsism bullshit. I'm closing this.
608:You can ask an administrator (try asking at
885:The following is an archived debate of the
740:The following is an archived debate of the
266:The following is an archived debate of the
82:The following is an archived debate of the
48:
1133:The above is an archived debate of the
853:The above is an archived debate of the
712:The above is an archived debate of the
238:The above is an archived debate of the
57:
14:
964:Sources found to establish notability
40:
445:. For example, the featured article
1117:User:CaliforniaAliBaba/Khalil Kalfat
538:
502:
454:
989:Can you summarize what they say? ~
587:per ColourBurst and Amarkov. Fails
27:
759:List of famous men who wear briefs
732:List of famous men who wear briefs
491:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
443:List of Final Fantasy X characters
28:
1155:
190:... not again. It's barely been
447:Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
285:Ace Combat X Fictional Aircraft
258:Ace Combat X Fictional Aircraft
174:, endorsed numerous times (see
879:– 00:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
13:
1:
1051:21:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
1026:21:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
1004:20:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
994:07:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
984:06:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
844:14:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
825:13:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
659:22:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
649:21:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
628:21:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
604:21:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
437:21:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
388:20:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
376:19:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
351:17:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
229:20:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
220:19:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
183:19:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
166:17:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
37:
698:so why vote on an old thing?
7:
1124:00:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
1108:23:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
1087:. I am a native speaker of
1078:05:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
1064:03:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
703:03:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
688:08:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
576:04:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
548:22:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
528:21:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
512:20:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
484:20:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
464:20:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
408:00:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
398:01:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
10:
1160:
877:User:Meno25/Khalil Kalfat
468:And there are absolutely
18:Knowledge:Deletion review
1140:Please do not modify it.
892:Please do not modify it.
860:Please do not modify it.
747:Please do not modify it.
719:Please do not modify it.
612:as Proto deleted it) to
595:I understand that and I
273:Please do not modify it.
245:Please do not modify it.
89:Please do not modify it.
50:Deletion review archives
1008:Actually my reading is
564:Spira (Final Fantasy X)
1137:of the article above.
889:of the article above.
875:– Article userfied at
857:of the article above.
744:of the article above.
716:of the article above.
270:of the article above.
242:of the article above.
86:of the article above.
194:. No new evidence. --
700:Sam ov the blue sand
656:Sam ov the blue sand
601:Sam ov the blue sand
405:Sam ov the blue sand
385:Sam ov the blue sand
348:Sam ov the blue sand
683:(per ColourBurst).
101:Angry Nintendo Nerd
74:Angry Nintendo Nerd
1093:his name in Arabic
200:
1147:
1146:
1101:WikiProject Egypt
1049:
867:
866:
842:
726:
725:
647:
526:
495:Dog Day Afternoon
482:
435:
252:
251:
198:
67:
66:
1151:
1142:
1097:Arabic Knowledge
1043:
945:
927:
894:
869:
868:
862:
836:
800:
782:
749:
728:
727:
721:
673:Endorse deletion
645:
641:
636:
585:Endorse deletion
542:
541:
520:
506:
505:
476:
458:
457:
429:
423:Reliable sources
419:Endorse deletion
369:reliable sources
357:Endorse Deletion
326:
308:
275:
254:
253:
247:
218:
210:
201:
142:
124:
91:
70:
69:
63:
43:
38:
32:31 December 2006
1159:
1158:
1154:
1153:
1152:
1150:
1149:
1148:
1138:
1135:deletion review
1085:Strong Undelete
1057:endorse closure
1048:
1023:trialsanderrors
991:trialsanderrors
960:
954:
948:
918:
902:
890:
887:deletion review
858:
855:deletion review
815:
809:
803:
773:
757:
745:
742:deletion review
717:
714:deletion review
679:(per Amarkov),
643:
634:
610:User talk:Proto
566:, and the only
539:
525:
503:
481:
455:
434:
341:
335:
329:
299:
283:
271:
268:deletion review
243:
240:deletion review
226:trialsanderrors
212:
206:
197:
195:
157:
151:
145:
115:
99:
87:
84:deletion review
68:
61:
41:
35:
26:
25:
24:
12:
11:
5:
1157:
1145:
1144:
1129:
1128:
1127:
1126:
1110:
1082:
1081:
1080:
1053:
1044:
1033:
1032:
1031:
1030:
1029:
1028:
1019:
1018:
1017:
1014:
962:
961:
958:
952:
946:
897:
896:
881:
880:
865:
864:
849:
848:
847:
846:
817:
816:
813:
807:
801:
752:
751:
736:
735:
724:
723:
708:
707:
706:
705:
691:
690:
685:Brendan Alcorn
668:
667:
666:
665:
664:
663:
662:
661:
622:Angus McLellan
592:
591:
582:
581:
580:
579:
578:
556:
555:
554:
553:
552:
551:
550:
521:
477:
430:
415:
414:
413:
412:
411:
410:
379:
378:
343:
342:
339:
333:
327:
278:
277:
262:
261:
250:
249:
234:
233:
232:
231:
222:
204:
185:
159:
158:
155:
149:
143:
94:
93:
78:
77:
65:
64:
56:
47:
36:
34:
29:
15:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1156:
1143:
1141:
1136:
1131:
1130:
1125:
1122:
1118:
1114:
1111:
1109:
1106:
1102:
1098:
1094:
1090:
1086:
1083:
1079:
1076:
1072:
1067:
1066:
1065:
1062:
1058:
1054:
1052:
1047:
1042:
1038:
1035:
1034:
1027:
1024:
1020:
1015:
1013:
1010:
1009:
1007:
1006:
1005:
1002:
997:
996:
995:
992:
988:
987:
986:
985:
982:
978:
975:
972:
969:
966:
957:
951:
943:
939:
935:
931:
926:
922:
917:
913:
909:
905:
904:Khalil Kalfat
901:
900:
899:
898:
895:
893:
888:
883:
882:
878:
874:
873:Khalil Kalfat
871:
870:
863:
861:
856:
851:
850:
845:
840:
835:
834:
829:
828:
827:
826:
823:
812:
806:
798:
794:
790:
786:
781:
777:
772:
768:
764:
760:
756:
755:
754:
753:
750:
748:
743:
738:
737:
733:
730:
729:
722:
720:
715:
710:
709:
704:
701:
697:
693:
692:
689:
686:
682:
678:
674:
670:
669:
660:
657:
652:
651:
650:
646:
640:
637:
631:
630:
629:
626:
623:
619:
615:
611:
607:
606:
605:
602:
598:
594:
593:
590:
586:
583:
577:
574:
569:
565:
560:
557:
549:
546:
543:
536:
531:
530:
529:
524:
519:
515:
514:
513:
510:
507:
500:
496:
492:
487:
486:
485:
480:
475:
471:
467:
466:
465:
462:
459:
452:
448:
444:
440:
439:
438:
433:
428:
424:
420:
417:
416:
409:
406:
401:
400:
399:
396:
391:
390:
389:
386:
381:
380:
377:
374:
370:
366:
362:
358:
355:
354:
353:
352:
349:
338:
332:
324:
320:
316:
312:
307:
303:
298:
294:
290:
286:
282:
281:
280:
279:
276:
274:
269:
264:
263:
259:
256:
255:
248:
246:
241:
236:
235:
230:
227:
223:
221:
216:
211:
209:
202:
193:
189:
186:
184:
181:
177:
173:
170:
169:
168:
167:
164:
154:
148:
140:
136:
132:
128:
123:
119:
114:
110:
106:
102:
98:
97:
96:
95:
92:
90:
85:
80:
79:
75:
72:
71:
60:
55:
51:
46:
39:
33:
23:
19:
1139:
1132:
1112:
1084:
1071:ar:خليل كلفت
1056:
1036:
1011:
963:
891:
884:
859:
852:
831:
818:
746:
739:
718:
711:
672:
638:
596:
584:
558:
469:
418:
356:
344:
272:
265:
244:
237:
207:
188:Speedy close
187:
180:Sam Blanning
172:Speedy close
171:
160:
88:
81:
31:
573:ColourBurst
395:ColourBurst
373:ColourBurst
45:December 30
822:KeyLigger
192:two weeks
59:January 1
163:MikkoMan
54:December
20: |
1113:Comment
1061:GRBerry
1041:Amarkov
950:restore
921:protect
916:history
805:restore
776:protect
771:history
681:WP:FICT
559:Comment
518:Amarkov
474:Amarkov
427:Amarkov
365:WP:FICT
331:restore
302:protect
297:history
147:restore
118:protect
113:history
1121:Meno25
1105:Meno25
1089:Arabic
1037:Userfy
1001:Bejnar
925:delete
780:delete
675:fails
625:(Talk)
614:userfy
535:hahnch
499:hahnch
451:hahnch
306:delete
122:delete
1046:edits
942:views
934:watch
930:links
839:Help!
797:views
789:watch
785:links
677:WP:RS
635:Proto
589:WP:RS
568:WP:RS
523:edits
479:edits
432:edits
403:info.
361:WP:OR
323:views
315:watch
311:links
139:views
131:watch
127:links
62:: -->
16:<
1073:). "
938:logs
912:talk
908:edit
793:logs
767:talk
763:edit
597:will
319:logs
293:talk
289:edit
199:Kinu
176:here
135:logs
109:talk
105:edit
42:<
1075:cab
981:cab
956:AfD
833:Guy
811:AfD
371:.
337:AfD
153:AfD
22:Log
999:--
979:.
976:,
973:,
970:,
967:,
940:|
936:|
932:|
928:|
923:|
919:|
914:|
910:|
795:|
791:|
787:|
783:|
778:|
774:|
769:|
765:|
639:::
470:no
421:.
321:|
317:|
313:|
309:|
304:|
300:|
295:|
291:|
215:éŕ
137:|
133:|
129:|
125:|
120:|
116:|
111:|
107:|
52::
959:)
953:|
947:(
944:)
906:(
841:)
837:(
814:)
808:|
802:(
799:)
761:(
671:'
644:►
545:n
540:e
509:n
504:e
461:n
456:e
340:)
334:|
328:(
325:)
287:(
217:)
213:(
208:c
203:/
156:)
150:|
144:(
141:)
103:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.