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431:- without giving an opinion about the article itself (I have commented on others elsewhere and am waiting to see if some can be brought up to scratch) I would like to make a suggestion: a good start would be to remove all the references from The Hoya and other on-campus student sources so that you can argue your case against only reliable, independent sources. 246:. This improv troupe hosts one of the oldest festivals in the country. At the time of this nomination, there were actually four sources included in this article that are not a Georgetown student paper. I just added a few more. And notability hasn't decreased since the editors at the previous AFD kept this article. -- 594:
notes "Georgetown University offers its students the Georgetown Players Improv Group. Georgetown also hosts an "improvfest" each spring, for which comedy groups from universities nationwide are invited to perform in the nation's capital." However, that is about "Georgetown Players," not "Georgetown
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openly says the paper has financial links to the University, tried to cut them and failed, it is easy to see how that conclusion could be drawn. Get rid of them, build your case with the independent sources you say exist and these articles will all be saved. The reality is that if an article relies
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Whatever you say about the subject needs to be supported by reliable sources and the sources need to focus on the subject. And the sources on the article that are not directly affiliated with GU barely mention the "Improv Association" (the Birbiglia one doesn't even use the same name) and are
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Again, I don't know what's changed since February, when this article was Kept after a similar argument against campus news sources. The group name that Birbiglia uses in the Gothamist article is actually explained right in the article's history section.--
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Georgetown Players Improv Group and the Georgetown Improv Association are the same- as noted in the Knowledge article, the troupe's name was changed. I have added the Washington Times link to the article, which is certainly a reliable source. --
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is the Georgetown student paper), and that leaves one source that simply mentions a comedian was a member of this group. Unless reliable sources outside of Georgetown publications can be provided, this page should be deleted.
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Improv". Apparently, they are about the same topic, but the multiple names for the topic may be why people can't find source material on it. I looked several ways for source material and didn't find enough to meet
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by giving an opinion. In my opinion, the article still relies on blogs, student newspapers and passing mentions in articles focussed on things other than the subject. On balance, I still don't think it meets
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in general, but I'm starting to see The Hoya come up in several AfDs and whereas other student newspapers are not commonly brought up at AfD. I might have to rethink my position. --
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reliable sources, and the other sources on the page are also not reliable. That is why I am revisiting this.—
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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This was sent to AFD earlier in the year, but it does not appear the article has improved.
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There are absolutely no sources on the article that are independent of the subject (
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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seems to be that those sources are not independent. Given the article for
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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reference from The Hoya is only going to make other editors
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