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editors on the same topic. The sort of dispute that normally goes to ANI not AE. That the dispute has failed at AE indicates to me that possibly the dispute keeps going to the wrong venue. I'm also seeing that people are saying the case is complex. Is that because the dispute is unclear, and/or is being presented in the wrong places? If someone can explain from what Icewhiz has presented what would be the scope of this case, that would be a help. For me, what I see is a clash between two editors that could be resolved by an IBan, and a discussion regarding a possible Topic ban for one or either or both which could be appealed after six months. If those who monitor and edit articles relating to Jews in Poland find that topic area is more stable and productive after the outcome of whatever ANI decide, then the matter has been resolved. If problems continue in that area, then the matter can again be brought to the community and sanctions stepped up. Only at the point where the community cannot agree on sanctions, or the community have run out of options should it come to ArbCom. So, again, as presented, this appears to be a dispute between two editors, and so I feel it would be quicker and easier to resolve at ANI; however, if someone can put forward a case request, naming the parties that should be in the case and why, then I will look again, and if appropriate vote to accept.
2115:"It's not just the troubling/sloppy sourcing that's occurring (and these are likely the tip of the iceberg), it's the constant battleground mentality that affects most editors in this area. One person adds something that's sloppily sourced, the other side reverts and screams bloody murder on the talk page, but then that second side adds something else that's also sloppily sourced and then the first side starts screaming bloody murder. And everything is accompanied by endless reverts ... there is not any way for third party editors who aren't invested in the conflict to actually contribute for any length of time because it's just so dreadfully draining. 1RR doesn't seem to help, because there are multiple editors on each "side" so ... the reverts just roll in and people who aren't on a side just give up and walk away - I've done it often enough." 3630:
saying goes, you can't get justice from a bored judge. If there aren't enough arbitrators who are interested in taking the case or think they can be helpful or have the time necessary to devote to it, I still see like a dozen editors commenting here who are qualified and could look at diffs together and perhaps at least identify what the problem is, exactly, which might lead to solutions. So, I'm saying, if Arbcom doesn't take the case, perhaps the editors commenting here could just set up a task force or a commission of sorts and just examine the evidence anyway and see where that goes. The analysis might proceed diff by diff, or source by source, or article by article, or editor by editor–I'm not sure–but it seems like we have the resources we need in this very group of editors to investigate the problem.
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positions on the content and I am in no position to decide who is misusing sources and who is not. The behaviour here is inextricably linked to the content. When one editor accuses another of peddling anti-semitic sources, either they are right or they are making a personal attack. When the other editor responds with an accusation of peddling racist, anti-Polish sources, either they are right or they are making a personal attack. It is true that neither side's style of interacting with each other has helped, but the real-world argument is fundamentally about genocide vs holocaust denial; this is never going to be an easy area to edit in. In the end, I took a week's holiday and someone jumped in with a three-month TBAN for both; it clearly has resolved nothing.
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that originated in the pre-1939 National Democracy movement and its extreme formations. His interpretation of Polish-Jewish relations in World War II and in the early postwar period, 1944-47, is based on the concept of a zero-sum conflict between ethnic Poles and Jews. Chodakiewicz casts the two communities as separate nations engaged in the struggle for survival without noting that they were part of one society in which ethnic Poles represented the dominant majority group and Polish Jews were one of the ethnic/national minorities. Even when he acknowledges that Polish Jews were a minority, as he does in Massacre in Jedwabne, he regards them primarily as the carrier of a culture intrinsically incompatible with the culture of ethnic, Christian Poles."
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not an independent historian, but the mouthpiece of the World Jewish Congress, an organization with an aggressive restitution agenda, for whom he works as a research and editorial officer. The book was edited by Avi Beker, Director of International Affairs, WJC and Executive Director of the Israel Office. It is clearly a POV effort. In order to bolster Weinbaum’s bogus claim that the Polish authorities blocked the return of Jews from DP camps in Germany, Icewhiz engaged in a flagrant misrepresentation, claiming “The “grossly discrimanatory” Polish act was criticized by US president Truman,” whereas according to the very source he cited, Truman was criticizing certain provisions of the 1948 Displaced Persons Act.
4607:, reluctantly. I find these source-heavy cases difficult when I don't know anything about the topic, and it's not an area where arbcom overall has a strong record of success (in part because you really have to consciously stop yourself from making judgments about personalities and self-presentation if the meat of the material is difficult to wrap your mind around). But I think it's clear from the comments from AE admins and others not involved in the dispute that there's something here that would benefit from a careful structured inquiry. Of course, accepting a case request does not mean accepting its original framing and I think it's worth emphasizing that cases examine the conduct of 2143:
it rapidly becomes a battleground. All that does is drive editors like myself (who are not Polish or Jewish and who have at least some passing familiarity with the sources and historical methods) right out of editing in the area. I really doubt that ANI will be of any help, but I can't dredge up the time to find the diffs and lay out the reasons for accepting this beyond what I've posted above. Look at the RS noticeboard discussion and the ANI, and you'll see that it's not just the two named editors above, but a whole host of editors, some of them probably socks of banned editors, some of them SPAs, some of them definitely here to push a narrative that's not mainstream.
2431:), he retired, saying effectively 'if this is the reward I get from the community after so much work, bye'. This is a testament to the misguided cowboy random lottery ban that is AE, and to how certain admins should be politely asked to move to a different mop'n'bucket area instead of making a desert, and calling it peace. It also offers a constructive option for this ArbCom (given that Poeticbent is somehow a 'party' to it) - this topic ban should be reviewed and rescinded, with an apology issued. This could bring a prolific content creator back. And what is a better outcome than getting another 1000+ quality articles in this topic area? 4428:
instances of the problem. The filing user is also expected to show that prior dispute resolution has already been attempted. Exceptions apply to situations where the Arbitration committee is the only possible venue of dispute resolution, e.g. those involving sensitive real-life evidence, or administrator misconduct. The Request is intended to be a summary of the available evidence including enough information to show why Arbitration is needed. You are not trying to prove your case at this time: if your case is accepted for Arbitration, an evidence page will be created that you can use to provide more detail.
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But when editors go beyond discussing how to improve the article and resort to personal attacks and bad faith accusations, then the community needs to step in and issue sanctions. If the community feels that the current systems in place for dealing with POV Battles is not appropriate, then the community should be actively looking for such a system (and some have been mentioned on this request page). I have faith in this community. In the inventiveness of this community. But the community will not be able to resolve this and future such issues if they keep directing ArbCom to sort it out.
1847:, SPLC, 29 November 2009, quote:"Chodakiewicz, who describes himself as "a Christian conservative of Polish ancestry," has written favorably about Francisco Franco, the late anti-Communist dictator known for his brutal suppression of the Spanish left. He is an admirer of the late shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, an autocratic leader who criticized American Jews for "controlling" U.S. media and finance. He sees gay rights as a threat to society, has linked President Barack Obama to communists and domestic terrorists, and is a voluble critic of what he sees as Western "political correctness."" 2400:
bias. Icewhiz description of one of those camps is correct - as long as one accepts that it comes from another camp... which in turn is described in a similar pejorative way by the other. While there is some mainstream 'center', the content problem we face is that the 'more extreme' camps both have some more or less reliable scholars, and the related discussions often involve inconclusive discussions of whether some author/source is an expert, fringe, etc.. All of this is further complicated by a number of issues, such as political interference (ex. both
2019:. Icewhiz is acting like he's some kind of martyr, battling others to remove these sources, but in reality nobody gives a fudge if he removes them (or even support these removals). The problem is that Icewhiz is removing OTHER well sourced material. Indeed, he'll often use the mere existence of unreliable sources - which are not being used - as an excuse to remove OTHER, reliable, sources. "Oh look, there is this unreliable source Nasz Dziennik out there that nobody here actually wants to use, that means I get to remove all the DIFFERENT reliable sources 2443:. This lack of desire to compromise on his part, given that he is now one of the most active editors in this area, is, IMHO, one of the main causes why this topic area became unstable. While source quality and neutrality are often improved in the end, many articles in that area keep swinging from one side (camp...) to the other, as unwillingness to compromise breeds likewise mentality 'on the other side'. A major problem is that some editors refuse to accept sources from 'the other camp', and a lot of warring is due to that. 6614:: All IP editors, users with fewer than 500 edits, and users with less than 30 days' tenure are prohibited from editing articles related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. This prohibition may be enforced preemptively by use of extended confirmed protection (ECP), or by other methods such as reverts, pending changes protection, and appropriate edit filters. Reverts made solely to enforce the 500/30 rule are not considered edit warring. 6218:: All IP editors, users with fewer than 500 edits, and users with less than 30 days' tenure are prohibited from editing articles related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. This prohibition may be enforced preemptively by use of extended confirmed protection (ECP), or by other methods such as reverts, pending changes protection, and appropriate edit filters. Reverts made solely to enforce the 500/30 rule are not considered edit warring. 3008:
everybody who is even tangentially involved here). I do not think ArbCom can resolve it either. One needs some brainstorming on what are the best practices of dealing with partisan sources of unclear notability (the main issue here), when the reliable sources noticeboard can not help. This brainstorming can happen in the framework of this case, or elsewhere, but, to be honest, I am not that hopeful: Existing processes already failed, and the community is unlikely to accept any new process at this point.--
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equivalent is not available. Where editors translate a direct quote, they should quote the relevant portion of the original text in a footnote or in the article. There is no requirement for a translation of the source in other circumstances, although courtesy and good practice suggest that if a genuine concern arises concerning the content or reliability of the foreign-language source, providing a translation or paraphrase of the relevant portion of its content will help address the concern.
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than accusing them of the other one; I'll let you work out which is more 'damning'. Not all bigots are equal...). Anyway, the point is that while it is easy to weed out unreliable non-academic sources (ex. far right, nationalistic press, etc.) it is much more challenging to decide if a professor, who still teaches, publishes and generally is not pelted with tomatoes or ostracized by his peers or neighbors, is an unreliable anti-something or just biased within bounds acceptable by NPOV.
2439:. Now, it is hardly Icewhiz's sole doing - it takes 'two to tango', and there are other editors active in this topic area. Icewhiz's input is valuable as it represents a viewpoint from one of the 'camps' I mentioned in my previous paragraph that was indeed unfairly underrepresented, and I commend Icewhiz on improving the neutrality of the coverage in this area. However, it is also my view that he is unwilling to compromise with the 'other camp' editors. I describe such an attitude 2801:
publications of hundreds on Jedwabne cited and relied on by Peter Longerich, a leading German Holocaust historian, in his Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews (Oxford University Press, 2010). Joanna Michlic has herself been exposed as a biased author who specializes in detecting alleged antisemitism at every turn. See for example, Joshua Zimmerman, The Polish Underground and the Jews, 1939–1945 (Cambridge University Press, 2015), at p. 103–104.
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is in effect, when a source that is not a high quality source (an article in a peer-reviewed scholarly journals, an academically focused book by a reputable publisher, and/or an article published by a reputable institution) is added and subsequently challenged by reversion, no editor may reinstate the source without first obtaining consensus on the talk page of the article in question or consensus about the reliability of the source in a discussion at the
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in effect, when a source that is not a high quality source (an article in a peer-reviewed scholarly journal, an academically focused book by a reputable publisher, and/or an article published by a reputable institution) is added and subsequently challenged by reversion, no editor may reinstate the source without first obtaining consensus on the talk page of the article in question or consensus about the reliability of the source in a discussion at the
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at very complex situations, a group of editors to pick apart at an issue with a toothpick until it unravels itself, throwing it at ANI is like making fillet with a chainsaw — is it possible? Yes, but is that the most reliable way? Definitely not. Most ANI threads which sprawl over walls of text end up with next to no solution (mostly) and my instinct tells me that will be the case here as well. The declining committee members should reconsider. --
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even due, to the occasional conflict between those two editors (and few others). As I suggested above, the most constructive course of action, instead of banning anyone, could be, gasp, to anti-ban Poeticbent and invite him back with an apology, so that he could resume his mass production of relevant articles and DYKs. His loss has hurt us all, and his return would be the only clear win for this topic area I can imagine. --
4582:(emphasis original) unless they have an independent reason to do so. If you do have such evidence, please pass it along, but I expect you do not in fact have any evidence that anyone is making edits at the "direction" of an editor blocked eight years ago, and you're really trying to make a different point about retaining material contributed by a blocked editor, somewhere along the lines of the rationale underlying 1835:, SPLC, 17 July 2017, quote:"Chodakiewicz’s far-right beliefs have not only centered on dabbling in anti-Semitism. In January of 2017, he penned a piece lamenting what he called the “ongoing genocide against Whites” in South Africa. The term “white genocide” is a common white nationalist trope, with many pointing to South Africa and falsely claiming that white people are systematically massacred by people of color." 4838:. I'm reasonably convinced that this is intractable as is, and will require the kind of back-breaking that ArbCom was set up for. We're not qualified to establish the reliability of the sources, but I think we can examine whether the sources presented are being quoted correctly (misrepresenting what a source says is a conduct issue, IMO) and whether or not that's being done systematically/intentionally. ♠ 6416: 1903:
day, these are run-of-the-mill accusations that Wikipedians often throw at each other. To the extent that it's not the ArbCom’s job to adjudicate content disputes (that’s a matter for likes WP:RSN etc) I would advise the committee to take this case ONLY IF they are willing to look into sources, check what’s actually in them, delve into who’s misrepresenting what.
3741:, above, wrote, and strongly recommend to accept a case to determine whether there is systematic misconduct by established editors in this topic area. Discretionary sanctions are available, but not helpful here, because the underlying dispute about sourcing is too difficult for AE admins not versed in the relevant scholarship (i.e., everybody) to get a grip on. 4480:. I do feel that POV Battles should be of greater concern to the community, and that the community should be looking for better ways to prevent them happening in the first place. Pushing this to ArbCom or AE is not the way that the community should be dealing with such disputes, and is certainly not the long term solution to POV Battles. 1184: 2835:- do you see only Polish nationalistic bias here? Many edits by Icewhiz are biased anti-Polish. Icewhiz pretends to be an expert in Polish history, but he doean't read Polish, he uses computer translations of Polish language texts, which he sometimes misunderstands. Anti-Semitism is wrong, but is anti-Polonism acceptable? 2084:
out more or less as Icewhiz claims, then the appropriate remedy or remedies are rather simple: A topic ban of VM (and possibly the other two editors) from Poland-Holocaust, and possibly also a one-way IBan with Icewhiz (or at least a final warning not to stalk him). And sanctions on the other two editors as appropriate.
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academically focused book by a reputable publisher, and/or an article published by a reputable institution is removed from an article, no editor may reinstate the source without first obtaining consensus on the talk page of the article in question or consensus about the reliability of the source in a discussion at the
4550:? (Separately, unless you have specific evidence of relevant interactions, I'd drop the "proxying" stuff for now and focus on issues that are current and actionable. But then, this is my personal preference; I don't generally consider claims of "proxying". People can get their editing ideas from wherever they like.) 4488:
The forum should not be simply geared up to looking at wrong-doing and assigning sanctions or not. It should be looking at solutions. And allowing cross talk that sparks imaginative ideas. Looking at the conduct between IW and VM we have them often reverting each other. VM will sometimes remove several paragraphs
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choice of central articles will flow to other articles in the affected area. I am sure their are other examples, in Arb cases, but look to the Muhammad arb case, and related mediation. (Perhaps 'Troubles' and 'abortion' too). I think it would be good to accept because, if you do it right, it will clear the way.
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this behavior (including misrepresenting sources and concerted efforts to push certain viewpoint) is going on for years, so that I am not sure what else can be done here. Most admins prefer to stay away from the area, and those who dive in and start blocking established editors quickly burn out or walk away.--
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focused book by a reputable publisher, and/or an article published by a reputable institution is removed from an article, no editor may reinstate the source without first obtaining consensus on the talk page of the article in question or consensus about the reliability of the source in a discussion at the
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we do here is look to see if this is the sort of situation that ArbCom can and should deal with. For that we simply need a summary of the concern, links to where previous dispute resolution has been tried and failed, and a few representative examples of the conduct that is causing concern. Please read
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While asking the enforcing administrator and seeking reviews at AN or AE are not mandatory prior to seeking a decision from the committee, once the committee has reviewed a request, further substantive review at any forum is barred. The sole exception is editors under an active sanction who may still
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Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. If an administrator modifies a sanction
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is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views. Users should approach article talk page discussions as a place to advance arguments, listen to other users, and try to
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On the surface as framed, this appears to be an upset between two editors, but I'm glad I held off on posting. I'm persuaded by GoldenRing's links especially, this has been going on for a while, and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better. I can't say it's a case I relish taking on, but you
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Accepting a case would help in two ways: Firstly, the structure of the evidence phase would help to assemble the competing arguments in a forum that doesn't lend itself to screaming and bickering. ANI is the wrong venue for this; the formality of a case is what is required here. Secondly, the arbs
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we were at ANI/AE. I disagree with your approach to PA, however: other than being a sort of baiting that even experienced editors might fall for, repeated PA make the discussion quite unpleasant, which has an emotional toll on editors. There's no reason Knowledge should be a "toxic work environment".
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Last year Icewhiz and K.e.coffman concocted a bogus attempt to discredit a major book, Sowjetische Partisanen, by historian Bogdan Musial, published by a renowned German publishing house (Schoningh, 2009) and hailed by Yehuda Bauer, a leading Holocaust historian, as “a most important contribution” to
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In my opinion, the primary problem here is not a conflict between two users. The root of this conflict is the worrying tendency of admins to focus on behavioural issues and ignoring the cases when minor or even major misinterpretations of sources are committed in attempt to push some minority POV. It
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dispute — I stand corrected. But I still feel an Arbitration case is due here. Because the problem ANI is likely to face if this were to be brought before it stem from the sheer complexity of the evidence involved. Yes, even if the remedies themselves might, at a glance, seem fairly straight forward.
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the AE request. I am also the only admin who made attempts at addressing the request, feeling it was a 50-50 about whether this should go to Arbitration, instead. The other three admins did not, however, share such reservations, with all of them recommending it should be referred to Arbitration. So I
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There's more to this complex conflict than just Icewhiz and VM but... I'm right in the middle of moving and just do not have the time to devote to digging up diffs and dealing with it. The behavior on display here in this request is just an example of what happens when a conflict arises in the area -
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I don’t know what could be done at this point to restore the good faith. I think with some of the others involved in the conflict, like Francois Robere, yeah… good faith can still be assumed, despite everything. But with Icewhiz, the guy needs to seriously rethink and redo how he approaches Knowledge
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This is simply lying and smearing. Obviously I said no such thing nor did I imply it. It’s an abhorrent thing to say and for personal reasons, I am disgusted that someone would accuse someone of such a thing. With both the original insinuation and the odious claim about Holocaust victims Icewhiz did
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In regard to the diffs against me, I tried to respond. And quickly ran out of the word limit. However, all these are content disputes. I do want to say that they misrepresent and falsify the nature of these disputes. Icewhiz accuses me of “UNDUE” or “OR” etc, and it's all false, but at the end of the
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All articles and edits in the topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland are subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction. When a source that is not an article in a peer-reviewed scholarly journal, an academically
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The Arbitration Committee advises that administrators may impose "reliable-source consensus required" as a discretionary sanction on all articles on the topic of Polish history during World War II (1933-45), including the Holocaust in Poland. On articles where "reliable-source consensus required" is
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5) The Arbitration Committee advises that administrators may impose "reliable-source consensus required" as a discretionary sanction on all articles on the topic of Polish history during World War II (1933-45), including the Holocaust in Poland. On articles where "reliable-source consensus required"
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6) Participants in this topic area have demonstrated significant battleground behavior, often apparently reflecting efforts to "win" content disputes via conduct-review mechanisms. Icewhiz has been involved in an unusually large number of AE requests as filer, subject, or commenter. Both Icewhiz and
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5) Wherever possible, English-language sources are preferable to sources in other languages so that English-speaking readers can readily verify the content of the article and, if desired, can consult the source for more information. However, sources in other languages are acceptable where an English
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ArbCom will not be able to sort this out, nor will AE, as both forums have the wrong sort of structure, and the wrong remit. Discussions related to this dispute need to be freer and looser than the rigid forms of AE and ArbCom allow. There needs to be greater interchange between the people involved.
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Discussion on POV can be really helpful to the strength and neutrality of an article. If people are not questioning POV then bias can creep in. So it is important to have such discussions, and it is helpful to have two editors (or groups of editors) who are approaching a topic from different angles.
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Folks, please stop arguing the case here. The Committee are not interested at this stage in looking at every single diff, and arguments back and forth on the implications of such diffs. Such detail is for the evidence page if a case is opened. There is no need for extravagant length statements. What
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As there appear to be only two people involved in this - Icewhiz and Volunteer Marek, I think this could be sorted quicker and easier on ANI, perhaps by an interaction ban and/or topic ban. Only if the community are unable to solve this problem should ArbCom get involved, and as there doesn't appear
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ok maybe not assess sourcing in huge detail but you need to at least take note if people add material that has been warped or misrepresented from the source, or reliable sources replaced with unreliable sources. This sort of editing is much more insidious and damaging to wikipedia. If two people are
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To put it quite simply, this is too much for ANI. I understand the rationales that the ArbCom members are putting forward but what's important is that if it's thrown back to the community, the chances of a resolution are close to nil. The main reason of having an ArbCom is to enact targeted remedies
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I just want to say that I do think ARBCOM should take the case, it is not just a dispute between Icewhiz and VM and it should not just be an ANI or DR issue. I want to echo what Ymblanter said. I also want to say that there is currently a concerted effort by Polish nationalists to distort and revise
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I am doing quite some admin work (I might be even the most active admin currently in Eastern European topics, though not specifically Polish), and I see similar behavior a lot. On the other hand, we have already authorized discretionary sanctions in the EE area (and in some more specific areas), and
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propose the text, which they add to the article. What is important, the procedure of source selection is transparent now, so there will be no accusation of cherry picking, and it will be easy to see which POV is major and which is minor. And, most importantly, since both sources and the procedure of
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4. Final thought. Would topic banning both Ice and VM solve the issue here? I dislike bans, but it would be nice to see peace and quiet return to this topic area again. But perhaps some conflict is preferable to lack of neutrality, as in the end, IMHO this topic area as improved despite, and perhaps
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third, Icewhiz. Per his statement, he joined this topic area in December 2017. In my view, his input has been valuable (for example, per his diff, he saved an article from AfD; while I was the nominator of that, in hindsight I concur keeping it was the right choice). But it is also a fact that until
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have state-sponsored research institutes which are not immune to political agendas), and political correctness (as in, associations of antisemitism, anti-Polish attitude, and the imperfect balance between those - i.e. accusing person of one of those attitudes carries a bit more negative connotations
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The Committee may apply the "Reliable source consensus-required restriction" to specified topic areas. For topic areas with this restriction, when a source that is not an article in a peer-reviewed scholarly journal, an academically focused book by a reputable publisher, and/or an article published
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Where I am shifting in thinking is that this should be shoved to ANI just to hand out bans. GoldenRing says Topic bans have been tried, and that's not worked. And a user in this topic area has been issued a Topic ban, and has since given up all editing of Knowledge. I'm not ruling out issuing such
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I'm seeing that people are saying we should accept this case, but the case as presented before us is of one editor accusing another editor of hounding him and inappropriate edits, and the accused editor saying the fault goes the other way. So - as presented - this is a behaviour dispute between two
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There are some really great, insightful statements here by many editors. I see a group of experienced editors and admin here with involvement in this topic area who agree, I think unanimously, that there is a serious problem that needs addressing. They disagree about what the problem is, never mind
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there applies equally to this case and I urge the arbs to read it; the TL;DR is that sorting this out requires either a plauge-on-both-your-houses approach or such a deep understanding of the academic historiography of Jews in Poland in the 1930s & 40s that no-one is going to be qualified to do
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Looking at some of the editing history of articles related to this report, I see Icewhiz constantly discussing content through policy, always being polite, and dropping the stick when things get too tangled up. My experience editing with Icewhiz in other articles is that he's usually quite accurate
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Icewhiz has also been disruptive in purely Polish-related matters. He recently deleted all the edits I made to the Canadian Polish Congress article on the stated pretext: “We prefer reliable secondary sources over the website of the subject.” When I restored them he accused me of edit warring on my
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This arbitration request is misplaced. It is based on the faulty premise that (presumably) Polish-background Wiki editors and sources are biased and unreliable. In fact, Icewhiz has been involved in biased, unreliable and even fraudulent postings. Icewhiz is not part of the solution, rather a large
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a judgement of one's expertise (the party that has not been sanctioned gets a right to continue editing, which is an implicit acknowledgement of expertise). Obviously, this is a dramatic modification of traditional criteria, and these criteria are definitely worse, because uncivil behaviour have no
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as soon as proper decorum is observed. Based on my own experience, I can say that it takes enormous time and efforts to figure out a real origin of fake information in Knowledge and to eradicate it. It is a really worrying tendency, because Knowledge has tons of mirrors that give a wide circulation
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second, Poeticbent, who retired in early 2018? Nonetheless his case deserves more consideration, because Poeticbent was the most prolific editor in Polish-Jewish topics, easily measured by ~1000+ articles he started, hundreds of which ended up at DYK, and a few as GA. For example, he wrote probably
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In any event, this is actually a disagreement on multiple pages between Icewhiz and several other people (excluding SPA and occasional contributors). If you remove Icewhiz from this subject area, the conflict will stop (the conflicts started when Icewhiz joined this subject area). If you remove VM,
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I am completely uninvolved. Neither AE nor ArbCom seem to me to be currently appropriate venues for this. The appropriate venue would be ANI, so all efforts at resolution have not been attempted, and therefore I recommend that ArbCom decline the case. The case belongs at ANI, and if the diffs check
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The first 6 diffs from Icewhiz have nothing to do with me, they concern users which have long ceased editing Knowledge. Putting aside the question of whether Icewhiz is presenting these honestly, I am not going to respond to them, except to note that it’s strange for Icewhiz to try and bring a case
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1) The purpose of Knowledge is to create a high-quality, free-content encyclopedia in an atmosphere of camaraderie and mutual respect among contributors. Contributors whose actions are detrimental to that goal may be asked to refrain from them, even when these actions are undertaken in good faith;
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However I disagree very strongly with the assertion that the problem is "fundamentally about genocide vs holocaust denial". Actually nobody here is denying the holocaust. The real question is of how to assign relative weights to two undeniable historical facts. One is that a large number of Polish
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GoldenRing's input is helpful as they seem to have experience with this case, but I respectfully disagree about their comments concerning behaviour. It's apparent that both editors have not dwelt with this dispute in the same way: it's one thing to call out someone for using an antisemitic source,
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Recently Icewhiz has been championing Laurence Weinbaum as a reliable source, although his essay in The Plunder of Jewish Property during the Holocaust (New York University Press, 2000) is replete with flagrant errors (p.101), which I detailed under Talk: The History of Jews in Poland. Weinbaum is
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First is his initial presentation of the problem, which included an odious and utterly false insinuation that I was engaged in “Holocaust denial/distortion”. This is absolute nonsense. Icewhiz did NOT provide a single diff which would even come close to supporting such a contention. He did finally
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are expanded and adapted to cover all articles on the topic of Polish history during World War II (1933-45), including the Holocaust in Poland. Only high quality sources may be used, specifically peer-reviewed scholarly journals, academically focused books by reputable publishers, and/or articles
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I propose that a two-part solution is needed. In the medium run, ArbCom should develop a procedure for handling cases in a faster way than full cases, possibly via panels. In the short run, I recommend that ArbCom act summarily in the case in point. It is clear that the editors in question are
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A suggestion: each "side" produces a list of 5-10 experts who they consider RS in the field; they may also submit a short criticism of the other side's experts. The committee then picks 5-6 experts from the combined list and asks for their input on specific revisions or specific sources, which is
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extremely concerning. An editor who is barely active here over a dozen of years but who is pretty active in the Polish Knowledge suddenly shows up and makes several edits within a short time interval - all of them replacing Polish nationality with Jewish nationality in infoboxes of articles about
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Just a note in passing that there seem to be very conflicting instructions from the arbcom clerks about word limits for statements, and extensions to those word limits. Even as someone who's spent years following these cases, I can't tell who is and is not permitted extensions, or whether all the
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I hope this will work, and that may give us a new tool to deal with that type conflicts. I also believe this will work because the topic of that kind differs from some school football team or anime series articles, which means it is covered by very good quality sources, and additional restriction
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since there are exemptions being granted left and right to the word limit I have no idea what I'm at. Also, if I go over, then you remove, then an exemption is granted, then... removing it in the first place was kind of pointless no? Anyway, since Icewhiz wants to add other people to the case, an
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It is one thing to be falsely accused of violating Knowledge policies like WP:UNDUE or WP:OR. Par for the course. I don’t take it personally. But these two accusations go far beyond that. They are personal, hence my initial strong reaction. I would hope that any normal person in the same position
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quote: "Chodakiewicz's works represent the most extreme end of the spectrum of the contemporary mainstream ethnonationalist school of history writing. The following features characterize all his writings. His vision of modern Polish history is rooted in the right-wing ethno-nationalistic ideology
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for this Polish/Jewish topic area. That could be a page where diffs can be presented in an orderly fashion, analyzed by everyone, and discussed. Yes, this could be done by Arbcom in the evidence phase of a case, but maybe that's not the best forum for it (that's not for me to decide). As the old
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discussion has a high chance of spreading bad blood and making things even worse. What's really needed here is not just a determination of who is wrong or right or a set of topic/interaction-bans or whatever, but a deep dive into the disputes within the topic area followed by a well-structured,
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will resolve anything. Either ArbCom should conduct a full evidentiary hearing, or ArbCom should kick the case back to Arbitration Enforcement, or ArbCom should take summary action, or ArbCom should develop a procedure that is in between a full evidentiary hearing and kicking the matter back.
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The request could probably have been phrased more clearly; personally I am of the opinion that ARBCOM should review this topic area more broadly. However, the fear is that it'll result in broad bans for everyone involved as an "easy" solution, rather than a thorough examination and more targeted
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VM. To some degree, a mirror image of Icewhiz representing the views of 'another camp'. There are, of course, differences in attitude (VM seems to have more issues with NPA/CIV than Icewhiz) or history (VM has been involved in this topic area for much longer, and with generally no wiki conflicts
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1. Polish-Jewish history, particularly WWII-one and thereabouts, is subject to extensive and ongoing historical research. Within it, there are several camps, some of which, with academics at professor rank, effectively calling one another names and accusing one another (or their 'camp') of major
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What this needs is mediation, where the moderator can direct the discussion, and shut down personalization. The mediation should identify the one, two or three central articles to discuss, get the parties either to agree on content or construct RfC's (with research laid out) to settle it. The
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I agree with some editors here that taking this to ANI will create a bigger mess there, and chances of that producing a clear outcome are slim. I concur with François Robere that there is clear evidence here of WP:PA by VM. Icewhiz's response to VM's apparent hounding and PAs has been to bring
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Let me try to reformulate the last part a bit. I think this is a complex dispute which involves not just Icewhiz and VM (who both usually act more or less constructively) but a lot of editors. I do not think there is any way a community can resolve it (with a possible exception of topic-banning
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without any major issues. My own opinion on the constant sloppy referencing is that too many editors are relying on google and not actually reading the whole work. (I'm just going to leave the whole "but the mouthpiece of the World Jewish Congress, an organization with an aggressive restitution
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At that time, I privately asked both participants to explain to me what they saw the dispute as being about. They both deserve credit for their responses; they were, I think, honest and actually tried to help me understand. Sadly, it didn't help. They both have reasoned, reasonable-sounding
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I particularly found Ymblante's and Paul Siebert's comments quite eye opening, and agree that distorting sources in order to push a minority POV is a big problem. I've found several reliable outlets regurgitating distorted facts presented on Knowledge, and that should be a priority concern for
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are likely to be so on Knowledge. However, Knowledge does not permit disputed issues to be imported into its encyclopedia articles or to affect the pursuit of its purpose. Conduct that furthers a preexisting dispute on Knowledge should receive special attention from the community, up to and
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by this dispute. Volunteer Marek (MK) is a prolific participant in the dispute, but seems to be right enough that administrators at AE recognise there is more to the matter than first appearances. That is where the process breaks down. We designed AE to sanction misconduct, not to act as a
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history, and we saw some of that in NYC a few weeks ago during a protest and we are seeing some of that in Knowledge as well as some SPA are popping up. VM's behavior in all this has not been ideal and for whatever reason he seems to be allowed to skate by and this should also be looked into.
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This approach created a situation when Knowledge content, at least, in some sensitive areas covered by DS, became a hostage of emotional stability of the parties involved in the dispute. If one party loses their temper, the second party's POV wins no matter whose interpretation of sources was
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I've been thinking on this, but I'm still of the (now sole) view that this is a POV Battle/Conduct Dispute that should and can be resolved by the community. The origins of the dispute are common on Knowledge - a disagreement on POV in articles that relate to religion/ethnicity/nationality. I
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by almost everyone involved (including far more people than just Icewhiz and Volunteer Marek, as some of the discussion and back-and-forth above shows.) Many, many people in this topic area are operating under an assumption of bad faith for a large number of established users - whether it's
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are prohibited. A neutral point of view requires fair representation of all significant historical interpretations. This refers to legitimate differences in interpretation of the historical record, as opposed to views considered fringe, outdated, or significantly biased or inaccurate by the
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Icewhiz relies on Joanna Michlic, a minor historian, in an attempt to “prove” that Musial and Chodakiewicz are nationalist hacks. No major Holocaust historian has paid any heed to what Michlic thinks about these authors. Chodakiewicz’s monograph, The Massacre in Jedwabne, is one of very few
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5) All articles and edits in the topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland are subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction. When a source that is not an article in a peer-reviewed scholarly journal, an
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The primary matter appropriate for ArbCom to address is not the petty one of personal bickering, but the one of honesty and balance in the use of sources. Not to adjudicate reasonable content disputes but to judge whether the principal editors are here to build a great encyclopedia.
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And that concerns a bigger question. If Icewhiz has no shame in showing up here and lying about other editors, then how do you think he approaches Knowledge editing in general? He misrepresents what editors said. He misrepresents sources. He misrepresents Knowledge policies. Etc.
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I'm usually first to call for an end to word-limit fussiness, but there's way too much stuff here and I still can't quite make out what the request is. Given that, I'm hesitant to sent it all back to ANI where the mudslinging problem is worse. (Edited to add: to be clear, I'm
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outlook seems to be irreparable, regardless of how well they otherwise follow the rules. Only ArbCom can provide that, so I urge them to accept despite their misgivings (and despite, I know, the large amount of mostly-thankless work that this case will doubtless entail.)
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Polish citizens of Jewish origin. Accidentally, the ANI request is underway at the time of edits, and accidentally these edits have been already introduced before by other users and reverted by their opponents. This means there is likely a concerted effort similar to the
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was blocked in 2011 for sockpuppetry and subsequently unblocked after an appeal to the Arbitration Committee in March 2012. He last contributed to Knowledge in May 2018. No evidence has been supplied that he has engaged in sockpuppetry or proxying since his departure.
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these questions, in part because the sources are largely written in Polish and there are few uninvolved editors able to read them. This fact has also hampered arbitrators' ability to efficiently investigate claims related to source interpretation and representation.
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Could the community try a Holocaust in Poland Editing Panel? Both would be banned from reverting each other. So if IW or VM find an edit in the topic area that they dislike, they could refer the matter to the Holocaust in Poland Editing Panel who would adjudicate.
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sources that can be found via Google Scholar, Scopus, Jstor, Thompson-Reuter, and few other scientific/scholar search engines. That immediatelly eliminates 90% of garbage sources (which, unfortunately, are allowed per our policy), and lion's share of conflicts will
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article had massive edit wars in early 2018 and the actual issue just keeps boiling under the surface and popping up in different articles (historians, historical figures, organisations, politics etc.) What got this topic into spotlight was the February 2018 Polish
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bans if appropriate, but if the edit warring, personal attacks, and casting aspersions is on investigation less than it appears at first glance at this request, then a better solution could be found, and such a better solution is unlikely to come from AE or ArbCom.
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We are setting the bar too high here. If even we are not sure yet what the dispute entails, what hope does the community have of defining the problem, let alone sorting it? The community designed arbitration for this kind of dispute. Many encyclopedia articles
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Taking into account that I myself was among the Wikipedians whose behaviour was analyzed in the above cited article, and that I was the only user who, according to the author, used a correct approach to judging one's expertise, I believe I can propose a solution.
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the history of the war, the Soviet partisans, and Polish-Jewish partisan relations in Belorussia (Yad Vashem Studies, vol. 38, no. 2). The book was removed from the “Bielski Brothers” article several times as allegedly “fringe” and “SPS” (self-published sources).
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teaches history in some college in Alaska. But for some reason it's the latter, not the former, that gets pushed every which way on Knowledge; and it's the former that gets reverted, or worse: smeared. Funny thing is at the end those who try to promote the
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would react the same way. These accusations are not just your usual Knowledge bickering about POV and sources. They betray a cynical, dishonest, willingness to say anything, accuse a fellow editor of anything, misrepresent anything. Just to win a dispute.
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although apparently only to shorten his statement. However, he reintroduced another repellent accusation even as he “trimmed”. In response to my description of his edits as “shitting on Poland” (yes, I know, I should have worded that better), he responded
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asking for anyone to post still more stuff. I would like to see 2-3 sentences about what value arbcom could add here, preferably 0 of which refer to blocked or inactive editors.) Icewhiz, I don't think "proxying" is really what you mean - the letter of
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editing on their own part, which other people see and take as validation for their own assumption of bad faith.) This is what led to many of the knee-jerk reverts, counter-reverts, use of weak sourcing, sweeping accusations and so on outlined above.
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aimed at engaging users who are normally not active here into edit-warring on "their" side. (Note that I am not seeking sanctions against the user, as it is clear from the subsequent discussion they clearly did not understand what they were dragged
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where just trying to get basic information about a query takes several requests that get drowned out by the fighting between involved editors. I could bring more (plenty more) diffs, but I'll end with my statement from that clarification request:
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parties. Given the way the request stage has proceeded, I also would strongly encourage anyone who thinks that another party has posted insulting or offensive comments should contact the clerks or arbcom as a whole, and should definitely
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extensions were withdrawn and now everyone has to cut back to the standard 750 words. Could an arbitrator please clarify if there is anyone who is permitted a longer submission and, if so, what the actual restriction is? Thank you.
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published by reputable institutions. English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance. Editors repeatedly failing to meet this standard may be topic-banned as an
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6) The committee acknowledges the lengthy delay in preparing the proposed decision for this case. We apologize to the case participants and to other editors interested in the topic area, and thank them for their patience.
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when it comes to submitting his WP:AE report or the arbitration request. No, as long as contributors work to improve content, this is not tag-teaming and wikistalking, but should be viewed as a productive collaboration.
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I agree Arbcom cannot and should not analyze the sources and correctness of their usage. However, Arbcom can impose additional restrictions on the usage of sources that will make tendentious editing more problematic.
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And, as I keep saying, the community have not yet had the opportunity to look into this. It has only come to either ArbCom and AE, which, as I keep saying, are not the appropriate forums for dealing with this sort of
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Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied.
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This procedure applies to appeals related to, and modifications of, actions taken by administrators to enforce the Committee's remedies. It does not apply to appeals related to the remedies directly enacted by the
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My analysis of diffs was removed by the clerks which also removed the diff link to it. If you think you'd like to read it, you have to hunt for it in the page history, because, sigh. Unless it gets oversighted.
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assumptions of holocaust denial, anti-polish sentiment, antisemitism, being here to push a particular POV, or the like. (And, of course, the determination that they need to fight that sort of thing leads to
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over a range of articles related to anti-Semitism and Jewish history in Poland, specifically in relation to World War II and The Holocaust, and including a number of BLPs of scholars studying these topics.
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Obviously I'm no longer an Arb, but what has been told to us is all people have 750 words on this case request only. I collapsed the sections because they are excessively over (mostly double) the limit. --
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Michlic, Joanna B. "'I Will Never Forget What You Did for Me during the War': Rescuer-Rescuee Relationships in the Light of Postwar Correspondence in Poland, 1945–1949." Yad Vashem Studies 39.2 (2011):
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who's a project director at Brandeis and a fellow at Harvard and UCL. Like most criticisms in that article, this too was eventually accepted into the consensus "stonewalling" and repeated objections.
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Ottawa. The Polish aacdemicians are sometimes sociologists, historians of literature, psychologists, they write about psychology and sociology of the Holocaust rather than about facts. Grabowski's
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VM has hounded me. Between 15 and 30 May he has followed me to some 38 articles - 4 new articles I authored, ~20 articles VM never edited previously, and ~14 articles he had edited previously.(
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users who act according to a local consensus? How do admins approach this problem? "This is just a content dispute" - they say. "This appears to be between XXXX and YYYY", - they respond.
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Leaning decline, because this appears to be between Icewhiz and Volunteer Marek. If so, I think ANI should have a shot at it first. And I endorse SilkTork's warning, Marek – dial it back.
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Perhaps it needs to be further spelled out that it's just not Holocaust in Poland, but Jewish-Polish issues during World War II generally. These articles had a lot of similar disputes:
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Ugh. This is a problem with many angles. As someone who has been involved in this topic area for ~15 years, and interacted with pretty much all involved editors, here is my analysis.
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And ... @Tatzref ... it's not "Laurence Weinbaum ... his essay in The Plunder of Jewish Property during the Holocaust (New York University Press, 2000) ". The CORRECT citation is the
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simply re-illustrates that the community is divided or polarized. If the arbitrators at Arbitration Enforcement said to take the case back to Arbitration, then it is unlikely that
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is imposed on edits and pages related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland, broadly construed.
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civilians died during WWII, and the other is that some Poles collaborated with the Nazis in the genocide of the Jews. Complicating this further is the role of the Soviets.
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of civil POV-pushing. The second should be to deal with this specific dispute by taking appropriate summary action against one or more of the principals in this dispute.
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Oooookay. Yes, I know arbcom makes everyone a little frazzled, but the sweary stompy back-and-forthery is not helping, please rein it in, guys. (Edit summaries included.)
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This is messed up. I very clearly was criticizing the fact that overwhelming majority of Icewhiz’s edits in this topic area attempt to portray Poland in a negative light (
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is discrimination, racism. How is it possible that you can see six Polish nationalistic edits, but you ignore hundredss of anti-Polish ones by Icewhiz and his supporters?
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A note on "camps": Piotrus is right in observing that academia is divided to camps, but I disagree with his decisively post-modern view. From what I can tell, there are
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5) Both parties regularly assume the worst of others' editing, including interpreting errors, misunderstandings, and disagreements about sources as hoaxing and lying.
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VM has restored content contradicted by the cited sources. If a source says "white" an editor shouldn't be saying "black". This is not a "content dispute", but rather
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including sanctions. It is perfectly possible to present a balanced, accurate, and verifiable encyclopedia article about contentious issues or preexisting disputes.
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are paid to get their heads around complex situations and sort them out. If I spent two solid days of my time trying to understand it all and failed, the chances of
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The more I see of this, the more I realized I was incorrect at first. The behavior here is definitely in need of ArbCom's review and a case I now feel is justified.
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to have been that community discussion yet, I am inclining toward a decline. Meanwhile, I shall give Volunteer Marek a warning for the personal attack on Icewhiz.
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camps: "mainstream" global academia, including many Polish scholars; and a certain branch of Polish academia (including a handful of Polish scholars abroad). When
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4) A background of abrasive and uncivil commentary features in many conversations related to this dispute, including conversations in dispute-resolution venues:
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everyone here. IMHO, coordinated and persistent efforts to distort WP:NPOV should be examined, and this may be the most appropriate forum for such a task.
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10) Significant aspects of this dispute center on sourcing in BLPs and on commentary about BLP subjects, generally scholars of the topic at issue.
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5) All articles and edits in the topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland are subject to a "
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This is certainly not just "Icewhiz vs. VM" or "Icewhiz vs. the rest", as you well know. There are other editors and broader narratives involved.
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Bender, Sara (2013). "Not Only in Jedwabne: Accounts of the Annihilation of the Jewish Shtetlach in North-eastern Poland in the Summer of 1941".
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Talk page. When I asked him to explain why he was removing neutral information for which I had provided third party sources, he failed to do so.
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Petrov, Nikita, and Arsenii Roginskii. "The “Polish Operation” of the NKVD, 1937–8." Stalin’s Terror. Palgrave Macmillan, London, 2003. 153-172.
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from the history of Poland during World War II, including the Holocaust in Poland. This topic ban may be appealed after one year has elapsed.
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from the history of Poland during World War II, including the Holocaust in Poland. This topic ban may be appealed after one year has elapsed.
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If content is currently too time-consuming for analysis, then behaviour should at least be addressed (and that should not take up much time).
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changes the criteria we use to judge expertise, albeit, I would argue, without replacing them with much that could be construed as progressive
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edit-warring and one is misrepresenting sources, it needs to be reviewed. You can't punish both without at least trying to figure that out.
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about sources, is very versed on Wiki policy, and is perhaps the most level-headed non-admin editor that I've come across in this platform.
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3. If ##1&2 are implemented, I doubt the type 3 conflict to happen too quickly. Nevertheless, if that conflict takes place, the parties
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so the edit-warring in the aforementioned article would be a good starting point. There also was some nasty off-site trolling by someone
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Clerks are instructed to add a new section, entitled "Reliable source consensus-required restriction" to the Enforcement section of the
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Its exactly this kind of behavior which has led to quick indef blocks in the past. Recently one of Icewhiz’s partners in edit warring,
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well-grounded finding of fact that can get people to stand down - or, if that investigation proves it's necessary, eject anyone whose
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I recommend accepting this case because of the intensity of the dispute and the inability of AE to deal with such a broad issue. The
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You have been granted an additional 250 words by the committee. This brings your total word limit to 1,000 words (750+250 =1000). --
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This has become a battleground not because of Icewhiz, but because of external events that push editors in its direction, like the
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Taking into account that Knowledge is not a social network where emotional comfort of users is a primary concern of admins, but an
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Anyone found to be misrepresenting a source, either in the article or on the talk page, will be subject to escalating topic bans.
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with the comment that these were issues "until 2018-9". Could you please be specific (but brief!) about what aspects of this are
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sources get accused of "not liking Poles", as if Gross / Grabowski / Michlic / Krakowski / Gutman et al. aren't Polish enough...
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Morris, James. "The Polish terror: spy mania and ethnic cleansing in the great terror." Europe-Asia Studies 56.5 (2004): 751-766.
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was filed by Icewhiz on 16 April 2019, and was declined by the committee. Aspects of the dispute have also been covered at the
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arguments back to content, so characterising this as a simply "dispute between two editors" overlooks evidence presented here.
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Michlic, Joanna (2007). "The Soviet Occupation of Poland, 1939-41, and the Stereotype of the Anti-Polish and Pro-Soviet Jew".
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who is responsible or how to address it. I don't know if this has been tried before on Knowledge, but why not form a sort of
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75% of not more entries and content on WWII-era Jewish ghettos. Following a very random and unfair IMHO AE ruling based on a
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would be incorrect to blame only VM or Poeticbent in that: the admins created a situation when one can safely treat sources
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sources such as Kurek are still being brought up despite being "somewhat controversial" (per Piotrus) and self-published by
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it. The former approach is so likely to lead to horrific grief for the enforcing admin that no-one is prepared to do it.
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We've had perhaps a dozen discussions at ANI/AE, which proved mostly ineffective. How would another one change anything?
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chose to close accordingly in light of such consensus. Note that I am not familiar and have not reviewed the ANI, but my
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Any block, restriction, ban, or sanction performed under the authorisation of a remedy for this case must be logged at
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would seem to apply to edits afterwards. I am not saying VM is communicating with Loosmark, but that the provision in
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and good faith actions, where disruptive, may still be sanctioned. Use of the site for other purposes is prohibited.
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Links to statements or evidence outside of this venue are not permitted. You need to present what you have here. --
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violations to me. I can't find the same behaviour on Icewhiz's edits, so clearly both sides are not the same here.
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Thank you GoldenRing for the background and the framing. Hopefully, the Committee will find it as helpful as I did.
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7) On 10 occasions in a one-month period, Volunteer Marek appeared to edit an article because Icewhiz did so (see
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for which he received a 6-month topic ban, with no prior history of topic bans, blocks or even warnings (context:
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Spector, Shmuel; Wigoder, Geoffrey; Wigoder, Research Associate Institute of Contemporary Jewry Geoffrey (2001).
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that is supposed to provide a good quality content, the correct approach to this and similar conflict would be:
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Indeed, come to think of it, the only person here to use far-right sources in an article (a BLP no less) is ...
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prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).
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I'd like to point out an old ArbCom case that dealt with similar issues of accusations of source distortion -
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The wide scope and nature indicate these aren't innocent mistakes, but deliberate distortion/denial rising to
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unable to present a concise summary of the case. So stop them from arguing at excessive length. Impose an
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of the 1950s" and implicated in the arrests and executions. She is known as a state prosecutor during these
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Martin, Terry. "The origins of Soviet ethnic cleansing." The Journal of Modern History 70.4 (1998): 813-861.
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No action against Tatzref; Volunteer Marek topic-banned for six months; François Robere blocked for a week
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case ("500/30 restriction") is retitled "Extended confirmed restriction" and amended to read as follows:
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you are currently over 1,500 words in your statement please reduce your statement to 750 words or less.--
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you are currently over 2,000 words in your statement please reduce your statement to 750 words or less.--
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Laurence Weinbaum (2000). "Defrosting History: the Restitution of Jewish Property in Eastern Europe". In
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Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped.
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I agree with most of what Goldenring wrote, especially the conclusion that ArbCom should take the case.
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select some user who will decide who is right, and only after that the proposed changes are implemented.
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for exactly this behavior. Why should Icewhiz get away with what others regularly get indef blocks for?
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is misguided (and will not resolve it). I urge ArbCom to accept this dispute with a two-part focus.
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newly introduced content challenged as V/NOR without verifying - (Kopciowski, is missing "thousands").
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if I understand correctly. That info was well sourced on the page. Looking more (this series of edits
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For me, as the filer hasn't shown that appropriate dispute resolution has been tried I'm a decline.
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I would urge the committee to accept this case. When administrators at AE conclude that the case is
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has requested a word limit extension, which is granted to 750 words. For the Arbitration Committee,
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Dispute resolution has been tried. This dispute has been simmering for years. Nearly a year ago,
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miniature ArbCom. The best method of working out what is causing these problems is arbitration.
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Actions taken to enforce remedies authorised in the case (if applicable) are to be logged at the
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to those fake facts. Usually, I encounter source misinterpretation just by accident, that means
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apply, and allow for methodical treatment of vast amount of content by Poeticbent in mainspace.
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As an admin active at AE and in some cases related to this topic area, I entirely endorse what
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correct. Do you admins really believe this state of things leads to improvement of Knowledge?
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in examining content challenged on being from a banned sock, failing V (+SYNTH, NPOV, and MOS).
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In regards to VM, I have forced a word removal so that they are at an appropriate length. --
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and, these lists are compared. (iii) When the list of sources has been compiled, the parties
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Introducing content clearly contradicted by the very source you are citing is a conduct issue
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to re-designate existing discretionary sanctions remedies as contentious topic designations.
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Please be aware you are at 760 words and have no further room for additional statements. --
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this here not since it was not actionable, but since it was too complex and time-consuming (
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Passed 4 to 0 under net 4 rules for immediate implementation at 17:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without:
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Historian Marek Jan Chodakiewicz with Controversial Views Serves on Holocaust Museum Board
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This case is closed. No edits should be made to this page except by clerks or arbitrators.
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Specific requests for amendment or clarification about the decision should be raised at
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You are still over the permitted 750 words at 813. Please trim or request an extension.
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I believe, you agree that the whole conflict revolves around the following collisions:
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1.5K, single bareurl primary source), has been reverting and stonewalling corrections.
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Now multiply this by a dozen or two dozen articles over a year... that's a lot of PA.
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editing. An indef block or at least a topic ban will give him the time to reconsider.
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but it's a completely different thing to resort to repeated insulting/name-calling.
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etc. with many editors participating in all of them (not just Marek and Icewhiz). --
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who's been involved in this disputes, consistently and reliably supporting Icewhiz.
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9) Icewhiz inappropriately and falsely linked Volunteer Marek to Holocaust denial (
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Editors restoring content challenged as failing verification (doubly so from socks(
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What I am writing is a mainstream POV, whereas you are advocating minority views.
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with only 19% of Poles surveyed possessing such item and 16% confirming its use."
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VM has restored/inserted material on Jews/communists not supported by citations:
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mentioned my concerns regarding POV Battles a number of times during replies to
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So you are aware, you are at the limit and have no further room for replies. --
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VM has already been warned at least twice against personal attacks / aspersions.
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The Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust: Seredina-Buda-Z
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at 21:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC), implemented at 18:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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Volunteer Marek has accused Icewhiz of making things up on numerous occasions:
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DID A POLISH FAR RIGHT ACTIVIST HELP DONALD TRUMP WRITE HIS SPEECH IN WARSAW?
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Placeholder: I intend to review this request and vote as soon as possible.
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Before I propose the solution, I recommend you to read the analysis of the
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is required. If consensus at AE or AN is unclear, the status quo prevails.
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particularly in non-English sources that few editors are willing to verify
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the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or
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having made a statement and been involved in prior dispute resolution.
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case ("Article sourcing expectations") is amended to read as follows:
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ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;
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agenda" aside as restitution claims are only part of the WJC's remit)
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with the superstition according to which it brings prosperity. But it
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This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
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I'm just going to link to my statement from a month and a half ago -
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Volunteer Marek were topic-banned for three months in July 2018 for
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to evaluate sourcing. We tried that once and it just doesn't work.
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You have been extended to a total of 1250 words by Arbitrators. --
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you are over 1700 words please trim your statement to 750 words. --
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conflict between several Wikipedians around the Vietnam war article
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Donald Trump’s Visit to Poland Further Emboldens Far-Right Elements
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is light subject matter, but this occurs throughout the topic area.
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Knowledge:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 266# Jew with a coin
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Knowledge:Arbitration/Guide_to_arbitration#Case_request_statements
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The increased word count has been extended to all participants. --
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image is not only widespread: one in two respondents associated it
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election notice to the People's Council of Western Belarus in 1941
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should not be given to aspects that are peripheral to the topic.
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13) In June 2018, as part of an arbitration enforcement action,
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edit by VM. What? It was written: "a Polish officer ... of the
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Volunteer Marek and Icewhiz both topic-banned for three months
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has been corrected by Tomasz Frydel from Toronto, co-author of
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Icewhiz tells that many sources have been misrepresented, like
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procedure for the standard appeals and modifications provision
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at ANI getting a realistic handle on it is vanishingly small.
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Evidence § Volunteer Marek's harrassment of Icewhiz: Hounding
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nothing will change except having one good contributor less.
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while admitting he did not actually check the sources himself
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first, why are we talking about Loosmark, banned since 2010?
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in this English translation of an article by Ewa Tartakowsky
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this request is first and foremost about Poeticbent/Loosmark
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adopted 3 May 2014, this provision did not require a vote.
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adopted 3 May 2014, this provision did not require a vote.
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removed to fit into the 1000 words limit. I seems obsolete
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read this discussion with was inspired by the current case
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is very limited in Poland and doesn't have wide popularity
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Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment
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described above will not affect the content negatively.--
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SilkTork, I thought ANI (like AE) was unable to resolve
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Talk:Jew with a coin/Archive 1#Dobrosielski - popularity
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arbitration case remain in effect for this topic area.
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arbitration case remain in effect for this topic area.
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Is there a relationship to the current ANI discussion:
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describing this as "excuse to remove well sourced text"
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arbitration case remain in effect for this topic area.
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arbitration case remain in effect for this topic area.
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may remove any Polish editors interested in history.
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Motion: contentious topic designation (December 2022)
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Yeah this looks complex enough to need a case. Also,
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there is potentially a lot of fake facts in Knowledge
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Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (6/0/0)
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vote is being counted as an oppose at this time per
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The Plunder of Jewish Property during the Holocaust
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The Plunder of Jewish Property during the Holocaust
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In retrospect, I should've filed AE with the 587:(implemented on 18:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)) 6663:("Volunteer Marek topic-banned") is rescinded. 6167:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 6118:Passed 4 to 1 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5978:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5931:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5887:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5777:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5757:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5722:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5634:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5618:Passed 5 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5602:Passed 4 to 1 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5564:Passed 5 to 1 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5546:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5524:Passed 5 to 1 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5505:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5485:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5439:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5389:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5105:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5090:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5057:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5037:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 5021:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 4989:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 4969:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 4942:Passed 6 to 0 at 19:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 4650:in favor of other forms of dispute resolution. 2591:I respectfully disagree. To save space, please 2570:, so as to accommodate his complete statement. 1922:- are Holocaust victims killed by Poles "shit"? 6651:Antisemitism in Poland: Motion (December 2020) 6526:Antisemitism in Poland: Motion (December 2019) 6111:reliable source consensus-required restriction 2062:Preliminary statements by uninvolved editors. 1814: 6883:is superseded by the following restriction: 6827:is superseded by the following restriction: 6142: 4320:. It has been passed on to the committee. -- 3253:then fed back to the usual ARBCOM processes. 2336:Members of the Committee: I do not envy you! 1634: 1632: 1401:tagRemoved: spurious tag based on personal OR 912:Dr. Morris S. Whitcup on Knowledge's articles 487: 6470:(ii) a passing motion of arbitrators at ARCA 5424:), made negative insinuations about Poland ( 5123:case. The current dispute has seen numerous 2923:. Grabowski uses false numbers, which isn't 2487:Act on the Institute of National Remembrance 1710:Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945 1708:The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum 955:- extermination camp for Jews, described as 5016:substantial consensus of reliable sources. 4379:MOS:ETHNICITY_on_articles_about_Polish_Jews 4049:Thanks for the prompt fix, appreciated. -- 2220:Furthermore, Icewhiz claims MOS:ETHNICITIY 1921:"Referring to a <diff of my comment: --> 1768: 1702: 1020:"the genocide of Poles in the Soviet Union" 6604:The following is added as a remedy to the 6288:arbitration case, the area also remains a 5186:Withdrawn per advice of responding admins 3970:. It has been passed to the committee. -- 3295:not here to contribute to the encyclopedia 2447:prior to Icewhiz joining this topic area). 2067:The following discussion has been closed. 1838: 1826: 1629: 661:Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement 494: 480: 6598:Antisemitism in Poland: Motion (May 2020) 6207:Superseded version (until September 2021) 6133: 6124: 5403:Volunteer Marek engaged in name-calling ( 5370:biographies of living persons noticeboard 5115:3) The topic area at issue is covered by 4291:I've gone ahead and removed the link. -- 4245:I've gone ahead and removed the link. -- 3591:As tempting as it is to pass this off to 2728:and according to a transparent procedure 1899:against an editor from eight years ago. 6576:) anywhere on Knowledge (subject to the 6249:Superseded version (until December 2022) 5878:) anywhere on Knowledge (subject to the 5740:between Icewhiz and Volunteer Marek was 5713:The effect of this restriction has been 5530:Accusations of sockpuppetry and proxying 4574:says that editors should not make edits 3530:More prior dispute resolution attempts: 3329:However, after reading the statement by 2166:. New York University Press. pp. 83–110. 1651: 1649: 1647: 1225:Clarification (though said all along) - 6793:shall be treated as a reference to the 6724: 6408:Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee 6035:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland 5896:8 to 0 at 02:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) 5702:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland 5205:Poeticbent topic-banned for six months 5164:Reminder to GizzyCatBella; referred to 2751:, the ground for a conflict disappears. 2706:Accordingly, the sanctions should be: 2524:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland 1856: 1072:agents send Polish families into exile" 1068:"Soviet-armed Jewish militiamen helped 682:centralised arbitration enforcement log 14: 6934: 6487:functionary blocks of whatever nature. 5728:Events since the close of the workshop 5640:Specific-article sourcing restrictions 4964:supporting the information presented. 3578:The root issue here is a breakdown of 3472:too hard for them to sort out using DS 3403:Response after Statement by GoldenRing 2422:single diff perceived as violating NPA 2282:(“a redline conduct issue”) meaning 2192:Knowledge:Requests for arbitration/PHG 1796: 1676: 1655: 1594:"Icewhiz symhatises with German Nazis" 1280:- which would've been: allegations of 1220:scholar attributed) clearly failing V. 1168:)), are expected to verify. However - 6926:Knowledge:Arbitration enforcement log 5732:14) Since the close of the workshop: 5700:sourcing restrictions on the article 5119:originally authorized in 2011 in the 5096:Editing environment in the topic area 4478:questions during the ArbCom Elections 2461:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2129:@SilkTork, yes, that’s also related. 2017:nobody has a problem with THOSE edits 1644: 963:(Polish citation in article: "Jews".) 614:Watchlist all case (and talk) pages: 6909:Passed 8 to 0 with 2 abstentions by 6844:Passed 7 to 2 with 3 abstentions by 6804:Passed 10 to 0 with 1 abstention by 6708:Passed 10 to 0 with 1 abstention by 6410:(or, if email access is revoked, to 5395:Incivility and inflammatory rhetoric 5111:History at dispute-resolution venues 5052:move the group towards a consensus. 3360:The idea of sending this dispute to 2359:On the mainspace, I had added DS to 1278:worst, and easiest to evaluate diffs 1190:It seems he spent all of 1 minute - 675:Knowledge talk:Arbitration Committee 643: 267:Clarification and Amendment requests 6393:arbitration enforcement noticeboard 6056:Superseded version (until May 2023) 6021:Superseded version (until May 2021) 5831:) are indefinitely prohibited from 5072:1) This complex dispute centers on 3627:Truth and reconciliation commission 3322:Written after reading statement by 961:from all nearby towns and villages" 673:General questions can be raised at 31: 6402:submit a request for amendment at 5833:interacting with, or commenting on 4792:), a small extension seems fine. 4494:. IW will then put the text back: 3966:has requested a further extension 3341:. Such disputes sometimes become 2724:The users must perform the search 2107:. For a more recent problem - see 1409:reverted: "original text was fine" 1387:). Very limited outside input at: 1052:Despite repeated requests to stop, 32: 6953: 6791:discretionary sanctions procedure 6766:at 10:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC) 6561:interacting with or commenting on 6312:at 10:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC) 5863:interacting with or commenting on 5624:Challenges in evaluating evidence 4372:Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse) 991:"Jewish welcoming banner" in 1939 573:on 10:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC) 518:on 17:54, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 6808:at 21:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC) 6789:21) Each reference to the prior 6746:Standard discretionary sanctions 6674:at 02:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC) 6625:Standard discretionary sanctions 6460:For a request to succeed, either 6414: 6262:Standard discretionary sanctions 6227:Standard discretionary sanctions 5987:at 02:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC) 5581:), made negative edits to BLPs ( 5552:Insinuations of Holocaust denial 5473:please. stop. making. stuff. up. 5469:This was Icewhiz making stuff up 5300:Topic ban successfully appealed 2913:And the other teaches history in 2209:Statement by My very best wishes 2105:here for diffs and documentation 647: 584:on 21:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC) 551:on 02:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC) 174: 6592:at 02:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) 6559:) is indefinitely banned from 6427:Modifications by administrators 5861:) is indefinitely banned from 5796:at 02:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) 4979:3) Issues that are contentious 4125:them indicating when commenting 2736:polish resistance movement jews 2712:More stringent source selection 2482:"Polish death camp" controversy 1967:is simply no longer an option. 1850: 1805: 1778:Amsterdam School of Economics. 1755:ObĂłz zagłady w Chełmnie n/Nerem 1088:of Jewish background trained... 529:on 02:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) 6913:at 21:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC) 6742:extended confirmed restriction 6736:Extended confirmed restriction 6280:extended confirmed restriction 6258:extended confirmed restriction 6173:Extended confirmed restriction 6145:at 21:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC) 5412:), and personalized disputes ( 5047:6) The purpose of a Knowledge 2732:anti-jewish violence in Poland 2669:relation to one's expertise. 1785: 1732: 1723: 1670:10.1080/17504902.2013.11087369 1131:Loosmark, fails verification: 908:AE determining this was a hoax 608:on 21:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC) 13: 1: 6379:Appeals by sanctioned editors 6000:Article sourcing expectations 5768:Poeticbent removed as a party 4580:of a banned or blocked editor 3152:History of the Jews in Poland 2975:Eastern European mailing list 2361:History of the Jews in Poland 6871:Reliable Sources Noticeboard 6834:Reliable Sources Noticeboard 6795:contentious topics procedure 6698:Reliable Sources Noticeboard 6365:0) Appeals and modifications 6081:Reliable Sources Noticeboard 6067:Reliable Sources Noticeboard 5937:Volunteer Marek topic-banned 5350:reliable sources noticeboard 5027:Non-English language sources 4444:Knowledge:Dispute resolution 3902:'s statement per clerks-l -- 3679:Statement by Alanscottwalker 3379:Statement by Stefka Bulgaria 3268:Statement by Robert McClenon 3038:Statement by François Robere 1894:Statement by Volunteer Marek 1423:- is a self contradiction - 859:AE vs. VM referred to ARBCOM 398:Conflict of interest reports 7: 6942:Knowledge arbitration cases 6848:at 16:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC) 6646:at 19:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC) 6491:discussed at another venue. 6397:administrators’ noticeboard 6336:Enforcement of restrictions 6300:at 19:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC) 6136:at 16:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC) 5224:GizzyCatBella topic-banned 4909:17:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC) 3177:heads a research center at 2840:Fighting Polish nationalism 1949:was indefinitely banned by 1078:(not in source) or against 597:on 16:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC) 540:on 19:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC) 510:on 14:40, 9 June 2019 (UTC) 227:Search archived proceedings 10: 6958: 6775: 6718:Amendment (September 2021) 6712:at 18:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC) 6176: 6127:at 18:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC) 6090: 5477:Please stop making shit up 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Joseph 1889:Statement by Poeticbent 1405:attempt to Match source 1196:06:59 different article 6900: 6889: 6880:Antisemitism in Poland 6875: 6862:Arbitration Procedures 6838: 6824:Antisemitism in Poland 6756: 6729:Antisemitism in Poland 6691:Antisemitism in Poland 6660:Antisemitism in Poland 6607:Antisemitism in Poland 6535:Antisemitism in Poland 6391:request review at the 3733:Statement by Sandstein 3699:Statement by Cas Liber 3574:Statement by Aquillion 3070:"Stop making shit up" 2964:Statement by Ymblanter 2614:polite and experienced 2278:Further, Icewhiz said 1689:. NYU Press. p. 1230. 1523:22 May diff by Piotrus 1451:this misuse of sources 1444: 1417:"However the practice 1385:tag clarify on popular 870:Preliminary statements 6896: 6885: 6866: 6829: 6748:as authorized by the 6733: 6627:as authorized by the 6610:arbitration case: 7) 6542:and amended to read: 6264:as authorized by the 6229:as authorized by the 6031:sourcing expectations 5498:battleground behavior 5491:Battleground behavior 5082:battleground behavior 5078:neutral point of view 5001:neutral point of view 4995:Neutral point of view 4853:Temporary injunctions 4666:Okay, I'm convinced. 4590:compelling evidence. 3620:Statement by Levivich 3339:neutral point of view 2412:2. 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Megargee 1016:NKVD national sweeps 875:Statement by Icewhiz 277:Enforcement requests 205:Guide to arbitration 137:Drafting arbitrators 6578:ordinary exceptions 6009:Superseded versions 5880:ordinary exceptions 5837:ordinary exceptions 5715:positively received 5319:Referred to arbcom 3120:My very best wishes 2818:Statement by Risker 2544:Paradisus_Judaeorum 2296:My very best wishes 2215:here (edit summary) 1751:"SS Sonderkommando" 1185:page 72 in citation 995:extended discussion 979:IceWhizFixBiałystok 967:PoeticbentBiałystok 881:this perplexing AfD 6612:500/30 restriction 6216:500/30 restriction 5445:Assuming bad faith 5013:synthesized claims 4548:current or ongoing 2827:Statement by Xx236 2476:Statement by Pudeo 2441:in this mini-essay 2021:WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT 1568:Additional parties 1491:), Ewa Kurek (see 1086:communist official 957:"intended to kill 299:Contentious topics 197:Arbitration policy 6762:Passed 8 to 0 by 6670:Passed 7 to 1 by 6642:Passed 6 to 0 by 6588:Passed 8 to 0 by 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requests 187:About arbitration 160: 149: 135: 124: 113: 96: 88:Proposed decision 85: 74: 63: 6949: 6421: 6419: 6418: 6417: 6361: 6360: 6245: 6244: 6203: 6202: 6196: 6189: 6103: 6052: 6051: 6017: 6016: 6005: 6004: 5942: 5941: 5788: 5787: 5696: 5539: 5465:you made that up 5332:François Robere 5329:Volunteer Marek 5313:Volunteer Marek 5291:Volunteer Marek 5256:Volunteer Marek 5234:MyMoloboaccount 5130: 5129: 5063:Findings of fact 4903: 4806: 4804: 4799: 4775: 4773: 4768: 4745: 4741: 4739: 4734: 4679: 4659: 4637: 4618:Opabinia regalis 4592:Opabinia regalis 4552:Opabinia regalis 4539: 4537: 4429: 4371: 4353: 4348: 4328: 4326: 4299: 4297: 4278: 4273: 4253: 4251: 4232: 4227: 4211: 4209: 4202: 4180: 4178: 4160: 4158: 4146: 4136: 4086: 4084: 4077: 4057: 4055: 4048: 4028: 4026: 4019: 4003: 4001: 3994: 3978: 3976: 3953: 3951: 3943: 3927: 3922: 3906: 3885: 3880: 3872: 3862: 3857: 3841: 3836: 3818: 3790: 3751: 3749: 3742: 3710: 3672: 3667: 3641: 3640: 3491: 3251: 3225: 3214: 3207:Opabinia regalis 3133: 3123: 3114:It didn't work. 3108: 3094: 2745:common knowledge 2599:on that matter. 2467: 2452: 2313:I'm the one who 2167: 2072: 2059: 2058: 2002: 1876: 1873: 1854: 1848: 1842: 1836: 1830: 1824: 1818: 1812: 1809: 1803: 1800: 1794: 1789: 1783: 1774:Michael Ellman, 1772: 1766: 1765: 1763: 1762: 1747: 1741: 1739:Chelmno at USHMM 1736: 1730: 1727: 1721: 1706: 1700: 1699: 1680: 1674: 1673: 1653: 1642: 1636: 1612: 1611: 1541:on the basis of 1393:first introduced 1371: 1330: 1327:Opabinia regalis 1262: 1254: 993:image captions ( 848: 821:deleted contribs 800: 773:deleted contribs 748: 721:deleted contribs 698:Involved parties 693:Case information 651: 650: 644: 640: 639: 612: 603:Case amended by 592:Case amended by 579:Case amended by 568:Case amended by 557:Case amended by 546:Case amended by 535:Case amended by 524:Case amended by 496: 489: 482: 470: 465: 458: 437: 393:Clerk procedures 385: 343: 314:Editor sanctions 291:Active sanctions 249:Open proceedings 219: 178: 164: 163: 154: 152:Opabinia regalis 143: 129: 118: 107: 90: 79: 68: 57: 48: 6957: 6956: 6952: 6951: 6950: 6948: 6947: 6946: 6932: 6931: 6921: 6919:Enforcement log 6905: 6904: 6856: 6840: 6839: 6816: 6800: 6799: 6785: 6776:As part of the 6774: 6758: 6757: 6720: 6704: 6703: 6682: 6666: 6665: 6653: 6639: 6638: 6600: 6584: 6583: 6564:Volunteer Marek 6528: 6523: 6498: 6454:Important notes 6413: 6411: 6366: 6358: 6338: 6333: 6276: 6250: 6242: 6208: 6200: 6199: 6192: 6185: 6181: 6175: 6159: 6107: 6106: 6099: 6095: 6089: 6076: 6057: 6049: 6022: 6010: 6002: 5997: 5956:Volunteer Marek 5947: 5939: 5906: 5866:Volunteer Marek 5845: 5819:Volunteer Marek 5797: 5785: 5770: 5765: 5738:interaction ban 5730: 5648: 5642: 5626: 5610: 5572: 5554: 5535: 5532: 5513: 5493: 5447: 5397: 5113: 5098: 5070: 5065: 5045: 5029: 4997: 4977: 4962:reliable source 4950: 4934: 4929: 4924: 4906: 4864:Volunteer Marek 4860: 4858:Interaction ban 4855: 4817:can mark me as 4802: 4795: 4793: 4771: 4764: 4762: 4737: 4730: 4728: 4726: 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Index

Knowledge:Arbitration
Requests
Case
Shortcut
WP:APL
Main case page
Talk
Evidence
Talk
Workshop
Talk
Proposed decision
Talk
SQL
Talk
Bradv
Talk
L235
Talk
AGK
Talk
Opabinia regalis
Talk
Knowledge Arbitration

About arbitration
Talk
Arbitration policy
(CU/OS)
Guide to arbitration

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