User talk:MrOllie/Archive 5

3007:. Apologies, but I truly believe the inclusion was not about the band but rather only helps to show the disparate materializations of the articles namesake across a great variety of mediums. I think this is on point for "in other media" type sections. Also can you provide any non-subjective context that defines "little known" with regards to any entertainer? I ask because the band in question was verifiably credited with writing and recording the theme song to an internationally syndicated genre-defining reality show. A credential that Mindless Self Indulgence, Space Mandino, Crass, Jose Fors, Toy Love and Glass Wave arguably could not compete with. If a lone omnipotent contributors unfamiliarity or lack of research on any given subject constitutes fair use of due and undue weight, than can we at least get some consistency with the other entries? Please reconsider your position or help eliminate the other ganders. Thanks for your interest in this. 4398: 31: 2000:"A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (January 2014)". Why is this a problem? Isn't the person who actually wrote the software the one who can contribute the most? I think it is. Same goes for the main researcher who is the known specialist on a topic T and that person is then not allowed to contribute to the page on T because s/he has a close connection to T. Duh, it's likely the person who knows the most about T. 3197:

company's statements (or as in this case, sponsored statements in periodicals bankrolled by the company.) I also cut the section on 'AmbiIoT ', because there wasn't a lot of 'there' there - since the information was thin much of the content was couched in terms of things 'appearing', noting what details haven't been released, and so on. Knowledge has no deadline, so we can wait until all relevant information has appeared in independent, high quality sources. -

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clearly reveals this. It is also possible to go on the Ofcom licensing database and see that the licenses issued to Maxxwave are "national", whereas those issued to their competitors cover only one or two specific transmitter sites. I wonder how this is best incorporated into the article, because it is this key point that makes Ambitalk so significant and noteworthy in the first place.

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causes disruption, accounts may be blocked. " However, I respectfully disagree that inputting the work of a faculty member at my university is undermining the integrity of wikipedia. All of the work that I had inputted were from peer-reviewed journals that have already been published and thus the work has been double checked for accuracy.

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I see that you've been blocked, but I'll respond briefly in case you read this. But please don't try to reply, from a new account or otherwise, that would be evading your block unless you get the block reviewed and removed first. The initial problem with your students approach was the overemphasis on

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Seeing that you have been active on WP for two days, but have not found time substantiate your reasoning for seemingly unsupported deletions of citations, I have reverted your edits to this page. Of course, I hope not to trigger an edit war. I invite you to engage in discussion if you feel there is a

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With respect to AmbiIoT, I think you are right - there is a lot of conjecture at this stage with no real concrete facts announced. The launch has been covered in 3-4 different articles and it is generally being marketed as a separate entity. Perhaps even it should have its own article, once it meets

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I saw that you deleted all the information that I posted about fantasy sport claiming it violated the conflict of interest. I see that a "COI editing is strongly discouraged. It undermines public confidence in Knowledge, and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals being promoted. If it

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Allow me to quote the giant yellow text box that appeared when you edited that article: 'When editing this list bear in mind that the same notability criteria apply here as elsewhere in Knowledge: entries with no reliable independent reliable sources listed either here or in other Knowledge articles

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You could make an excellent start by not referring to yourself as a 'nationally recognized practitioner of this emerging field', not linking your social media profiles, not citing an unpublished book, not citing blog posts, and keeping references to your own name closer to 1 than the current '20'. -

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Even if it is free, linking to it inline and adding promotional style language is not appropriate, and adding a new link to the top of the external links section is generally viewed as a spam account red flag. I notice that most of your additions on Knowledge are in this vein - do you have any kind

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means guidlines, not laws. There are news groups are for policy, news, technology and education. You might as well say that the University of Oregon isn't independent from UCLA because they are both Universities. Find out their independence, please, do not be contemptuous of the USDOD as sources,

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With respect to the coverage, this isn't self-claimed, it is a clear fact. There are only small PAMR trunked networks comprising of 2 or 3 sites that cover single cities in the UK. Ambitalk does cover significant parts of the UK. In terms of evidence, using a radio scanner and driving around the UK

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On Ambitalk, I've gone ahead and pulled out some of the poorly sourced content, and some of the stuff that sounded excessively promotional. In particular we should not call anything a 'market leader', 'UK's largest', etc. in Knowledge's voice, particularly when those claims are sourced only to that

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I think you're confused. 'The War for Talent' was an article that was published in McKinsey Quarterly, which reported on the results of the 1997 study. I'm looking at a copy of it right now, and it does use the term 'Talent management'. Michaels et al. later wrote a book expanding on the premise of

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Ambitalk doesn't use MPT1327 signalling, it is their own variation with digital signal processing. A standard MPT1327 radio does not work with it. My feeling is that either we need to incorporate the caveat that it is "modified MPT1327" or remove it completely, which does detract somewhat from the

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page is even more dishearthening. The page has multiple issues marked as such. It lacks citations, includes sections about unrelated topics, and the sections about the compressed format are full of original research produced by interpreting source code. Attention from an expert is requested in the

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with explanation. I think the article needs substantial improvement and there may be material at those links of value. I will try doing some work on the article in the near future. As I said on the talk page I agree with your edit, I just wanted to preserve the links and allow for some discussion.

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Hi, sorry! I saw a huge volume of deletion in the history and just assumed you had undone all my edits because I'd made a lot of edits a couple of days ago. Then I ran into a meeting before checking the details. I spent some time understanding what you did and I'm fine with the changes. Thanks

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Knowledge looks to secondary sources for this kind of thing. When a researcher proposes a new algorithm, the paper/thesis/whatever they do it in is a primary source. We should wait for a secondary source (for example a reporter who is unaffiliated with the researcher writes a news piece) to write

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Addressing the MPT1327 changes you have made (since this is simplest), I feel Ambitalk is well worth a mention because other networks are mentioned (Chekker, CNET2424, etc), and that it is a significant reversal to the trend of migration to DMR/dPMR, which is very much being discussed at industry

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I have just used the sources cited in the Knowledge pages of those archivers. It is true and verifiable that some of those archivers can read (and write) the lz format. Therefore, if you do not restore the lz column, someone will eventually add it and your contribution to the article will be then

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Buytough seems to have a history of spamming that page (see its talk page archives), and that specific link is still attempting to funnel people into their sales, so it needs to be avoided. Relying on panasonic as the manufacturer is a little better, but still problematic. What we really need are

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makes me able to remove article content, since what you added is unsourced. Even if they did verify the content in the detail you added it (which seems unlikely), our readers cannot access your college transcripts to verify the information. Perhaps your contributions were recorded in a newspaper

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Also, Knowledge is written for a general audience. Sentences like 'These impacts or causative bifurcations of a particular material-social assemblage relate to a variety of material conditions both within and outside the social sphere.' Might make sense to a subject matter expert, but they don't

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No, the link there is not meant for buying. It provides information on existence of specific software which makes possible quadruple computations in widely used MATLAB system. Software from the website can be used for free (within limited period of time). Many people use it that way, solve their

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That 'justification' has been provided to you on the AFD, several times now. I'm sorry, we are clearly unable to communicate effectively on this issue. 'Independent source', 'Notability', 'Reliable source', and so on all have Knowledge specific definitions as defined by our policy and guideline

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Trademarks do not help to build the case for notablity - any company or person who pays the fee can get a trademark. We need articles that are about this software in publications, such as newspapers or magazines, that have a reputation for fact checking and for exercising editorial control over

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Sure the reference to the "Stream-format" chapter of the lzip manual is not ideal for Knowledge (it is a primary source) but its neutral point of viev is guaranteed by its mathematical nature and, AFAIK, it is currently the only one available. The article itself states that "no complete natural

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You guys need to cite a few good biographical sources that aren't affiliated with Gohel. A couple of articles in a major newspaper would be a great start. Most of the stuff that's in the article now look to either written by Gohel, by groups that he is associated with - or they don't appear in

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What you did was replace the page with a PR puff piece, removing all mention of the licensing problems and adding unsourced commentary like 'used by market sector leaders in over 80 countries and 10,000 users to measurably increase software development productivity' Knowledge articles must be

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I didn't delete the article, I tagged it for consideration and it was deleted by someone else. G11 means that the article was deleted because it was written like an advertisement, not because of any issues with it's structure or sourcing - those factors may or may not have been sufficient, the

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Most lists on Knowledge are navigational aids and should link to other Knowledge articles. The article on Openhab has been deleted four times in total, usually for being basically spam, most recently just a few months ago. If you want to write a new non-promotional version, that would be very

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I've seen many "list of X" wikipedia pages. Do you think it would be possible to have a wikipeda page listing prediction markets with their properties (virtual vs real money, type of algorithm, ...). If it is not possible, another option would be to have an external link pointing to a list of

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In that case, i ask to specify what point of wikipedia violates this project (OnlineVNC), that it can not be in a comparison table. You allow in the table in general the products related to the VNC and throw out other solutions that are relevant to the topic of Remote Desktop. I do not know

2100:, not by me. I'll answer your question anyway, though: That was as clear a case of commercial linkspamming as I have ever seen on Knowledge. If you continue adding links like that, it is very likely that the sites in question will be added to the link blacklist and your account blocked. - 3274:

I think the resilience angle, with respect to microwave links is also very significant and unique. Mobile phone networks have hardly any resilience and none of their competitors have any. Perhaps it isn't significant enough to go into the article, I don't know and would appreciate your

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Yes, that stuff was removed on purpose. On Knowledge, lists and comparisons generally only link to or summarize things that have Knowledge articles, and we do not compile lists of external links. This is necessary so these lists do not become vehicles for advertising. Knowledge does

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Such lists are off topic for Knowledge, which tends to explicitly reject the idea of listing vendors for particular categories of products. I would suggest that you sign up at a project like Dmoz.org, which is designed to be a link directory and where such lists are on-mission. -

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Your changes to the wording are far more neutral, perhaps because you are not so close to the subject material and therefore are more detached. On the whole I support your changes, but there are couple of things you have removed which I feel are really significant and should be

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When you find a really huge list like that, the usual practice to select what strike you as the best few to keep, and delete all the others. If there is a DMOZ.org category that covers the topic that is often a good choice. If you're unsure about a specific link, there is the

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Great to know. FYI: there are some dead reference links in the article, too. I'd like to either delete or update them with proper links and references but it might force me to reorder the text, because existing text sometimes refers to things that just don't exist anymore.

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Well, you really should look into it, before you make these kinds of claims, it take what 10 minutes to use wiki as your resarch? Show me a justification, like I say, you might be right, but you can't just make the assumption, and be a wiki editor. Respectfully submitted

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policy on link directories, any such list article that is composed mostly of external links or list entries without Knowledge articles will probably be deleted. I suggest you move the list to a site that is dedicated to hosting link directories - dmoz.org is a good one. -

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pages. You seem unwilling or unable to learn these definitions (and I have no idea what your personal definitions might be), so we don't really have a common language to communicate. Lets wait for some additional folks to comment at the AFD, perhaps they will do better -

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for Knowledge. If you have written for a reliable publication with a good reputation for fact checking (Motor Trend, Newsweek, Nature, etc) citations there may be useful. Otherwise, Knowledge is not here for you to help build your reputation as a writer, I'm afraid. -

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Welcome, Knowledge can always use subject matter experts. As an expert I'm sure you are familiar with many sources written by many other people in your field - perhaps you could cite some of those instead? Please do not directly solicit others to add your book, it is

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forums such as those held by Ofcom and TechUK. Furthermore the digital modifications are very much of note (as the Entropia 6.25khz channel spacing modifications were in the same article), since this bucks the trend for MPT1327 to be considered an "analog" standard.

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It's a journal with an impact factor of zero and which is on Beall's list of predatory journals. We shouldn't use it. We especially don't need to cite it redundantly for content that already has sourcing, as was the case on the articles it was recently added to. -

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Evolita is an bad tertiary source. It just copies data from other secondary sources. Use the actual source, not evolita. Also, it's better to avoid data that gets outdated soon, such as market shares. Such data is better stored in databases rather than in a Wiki.

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There are 148,000 results for which one would you like to use? Instead of being so harsh with your responses and edits, perhaps a small comment and some time to allow us to find a reference would be appropriate? Knowledge doesn't need to be such a hostile place.

3086:. The changes you made to this list have made it all but useless. You are removing real providers that may be useful to others (including myself who was using the old list for research). I have added NS1 for the time being. Please revert back to the full list. -- 4143:

I think that would be OK by me. If the list ends up getting too long somebody might remove it - typically a couple of company links in the see also list are allowed, but if it starts to look like a big list of vendors someone will probably cut them all out. -

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That's because Webber, the software's author, sits on the NIEM Technical Architecture Committee. All of the citations you've added come from Webber or an organization he's affiliated with. I think if it goes to AFD it is still very likely to be deleted. -

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The definitions of all those things were largely off topic - in depth knowledge of each feature is better provided on the individual pages of those features. Similarly, an exhaustive features list is better provided on the article for each cloud. -

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External links on Knowledge are for providing information to a general audience - articles about what a singleton is are appropriate. Tools, which would only be used by engineers who already know what a singleton is, are not really appropriate. -

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Thank you for your reply. Could you point any entry in 'Comparison of database tools' section that meets Knowledge's inclusion criteria? Because we're planning to add some new contents there and your advise will save both your and our efforts. -

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prediction markets. I do believe this would be useful to the reader because when I reached wikipedia's prediction market page for the first time I was also looking to a list of current implementations with their properties. What do you think?--

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We still haven't located any independent sources, so I see no reason to revise my stance. You seem to be confusing a dictionary definition of notability with Knowledge's specific guidelines, which just mean that the topic has been noted in

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The licensing issue makes a lot of sense to me - any time a GPL project turns proprietary it is a big deal, and AFAIK most of the independent writing about this company is actually about the licensing dispute. We can't simply remove it. -

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For fairness, you should either 1. remove all references to implementation of prediction market (including commercial websites), or 2. create a section for non-profit prediction market (and I can contribute since I've the list of running

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I'm sorry, I cannot decipher the meaning of your comments here (or your article contributions), due to your writing style. It looks like you are trying to turn a generic article into one on a specific company - please stop doing that. -

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language specification of the compressed format seems to exist". Please, remember that the LZMA article is not a biography of a living person nor is about some controversial issue. It is a technical article about an algorithm. In this

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Good to hear you don't have an undisclosed COI (that would be a violation of Knowledge's terms of service) I was initially concerned because your account's original name bares a certain similarity to the name of someone involved in

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belong in an encyclopedia. I'm also unsure about why you added so many references to 'Sustainable Williamson' - Knowledge generally does not link to blogs, let alone contain paragraphs about them in articles on general topics. -

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No, it is not independently written, and it is a self published blog, both of which disqualify it it terms of establishing notability. I strongly suggest that you read the guidelines I linked above, as well as our guideline on

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If you don't really care about it - then remove all pages from wiki which mention commercial software as well, MATLAB itself and many others. All such links can be interpreted as meant to sell the software in one or another

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I appreciate that you have tried to be very non-marketing, but you are failing at this. Please stop inserting references to your own company and technologies to Knowledge and leave it to established, neutral editors. Per

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Addressing the Ambitalk article, I think on the whole you have greatly improved the article and I agree much of what has been removed is insignificant. However I would like to suggest the following elements are put back

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By removing the link you just disable people to solve their problems efficiently (as I said, MATLAB is used by many people and the referenced software is the _only_ way to use quadruple precision in MATLAB at the

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I appreciate that you want articles to be balanced, but we cannot do that by writing our opinions (even if based on personal experience) into an article. Such content would need to be attributed and would need a

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a blog post such as that one (and yes, it is clearly a blog post) does not belong on that article, particularly a blog post on a specific case like Swartz on the general article about internet activism. -

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What a shame! One unqualified editor asking another to side with him. The subject does not matter. Only personal issues do. Why won't you go together elsewhere rather than supporting each other for a sick

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As you seem to be away from Knowledge for a while, I will proceed with moving the article to mainspace. If you have any other comments on the article, I will address them afterwards, just let me know!.

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You have personalized this dispute to such a degree that I do not believe you would listen to any further answers I give you. I suggest you visit the noticeboard to get input from additional editors. -

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OK, done. Please don't add humberviewgroup, or any other local dealership again. It is entirely inappropriate as a source for Knowledge for anything but an article about that particular dealership. -

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Because they are either trivial mentions, or they are obviously close paraphrases of press releases. Do you work for Devart, or are you associated with them in some way? If so, I invite you to read

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On second look, we shouldn't link it even there. It looks like the NCA site went down and has been taken over by a domain squatter who is trying to use affiliate links to sell coffee machines. -

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the criteria for this. I do perhaps wonder if a one-line sentence about this IoT thing introduced at the right location would be a worthwhile addition to this article - I will let you decide.

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Those are comparisons of items that have existing Knowledge articles - we are allowed to index Knowledge content in ways that are not used for external links or unlinked software items. -

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Perhaps a list should be made and pointed to? Well the point of this post is just to let you know so I'll stop rambling, discussion of that article belongs on it's talk page anyway... - -

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Blogs, comments on blogs, and simple citations are insufficient. We need someone else writing some substantial content about this work. Your version was giving equal space to this and to

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Apart from that, I like your other changes and removals. It is sometimes difficult to write an article when you are the only editor and so input from others is really useful, thank you.

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I am not sure if you are active these days, but I improved the article a bit more and probably will move it to main space tomorrow. If you have any remaining comments, let me know. --

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Prediction markets are a specific type of betting websites. There is not a lot of websites implementing a prediction market, and this number is even lower for virtual-money website...

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the article in 2001, which carried the same title. I'm also a little fuzzy on how you're turning a brochure with a 1998 copyright date into proof that you coined the term in 1997. -

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First - you didn't 'correct' anything, you added a small detail. Second, you cited that small detail by including a link to a bookstore sales page for a book you wrote - that is

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Thank you for amending the article both Ambitalk and MPT1327. I looked at MPT1327 because this did (I thought) link to Ambitalk, but I note you have removed the citation.

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it is ridiculous that the only expert with direct implementation experience willing to improve the article is not allowed to even adding technical references to it.

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We can't link to people hosting scans of articles in violation of the copyright of the original publication. In such a case it is better to leave the dead link. -

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for the help. Should I automatically delete link sections like that, too, or should I get someone like you involved to help if I come across things like that? --

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That would be better, but do keep in mind as well that the purpose of the list page is not to try to sell software or provide an exhaustive list of features. -

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points 1 and 11. Your work on translation is appreciated, but Knowledge does not need you to be repetitively adding links to this site to multiple articles. -

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for those sorts of questions. Nothing on Knowledge is unreversable, so if you goof it up someone else can always come along and fix it for you, no worries. -

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the American Occupational Therapy Association. When someone noted that and removed the text pending discussion, rather than discuss on the talk page to gain

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article, and the talk page states that "It would be great if Igor Pavlov, Lasse Collin, or other people with direct implementation experience reviewed this".

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require indepednent sources with a reputation for fact checking. I don't think this site belongs on Knowledge, either as a source or as an external link. -

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I assure you, my edits were deliberate. Given your close connection to the subject, you should probably avoid using yourself a source on these articles. -

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It's not a separate enough topic to get a new article - the unique content was pretty thin. You'd be better off adding a sentence or a short paragraph to

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it's not a spam, The U.S. Short Code Directory is the only place to find out who owns short codes in the United States. It lists over 8,000 short codes.

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Kindly stop adding software to that list. As the large yellow edit notice informs you when that page is edited, those entries are not appropriate. -

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The page lists some multi language concept implementations which happen to have examples in Java. Java specific implementations aren't helpful. -

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It was removed because you added it to the list without writing a standalone article. I see that you have now written that article. Thanks. -

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Any forbes.com URL that contains /sites/ is not actually a forbes article - it is a blog hosted on forbes.com. At any rate, I removed it per

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thanks for the explanation. Please remove the "Public prediction markets" section from the main article to be consitent with wikipedia rules.

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It is relevant, I suppose, but so are the web sites of any number of coffee houses and coffee brands across the world. I don't think it is

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Such lists generally index existing Knowledge articles, they are not places to place external links or promote software that doesn't meet

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I didn't revert to the previous version, I deleted it. Both versions are/were a directory of advertising with no place on Knowledge. -

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I have removed the blog you mentioned as well, since we generally don't link to people's blogs either, thanks for pointing that out. -

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Thanks, I'll read through the links you sent. I'm new to editing Knowledge and want to follow proper practices, so this is helpful.

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article at the time, or in some official history of the College? If not, I'm afraid we'll just have to do without those details. -

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As we discussed last time you tried to add this, it needs independent sourcing. None of the sources you cited mentioned Mimi So. -

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I'd also like to point out that if you work for Intersystems, certain disclosures are required. You can read about best practices

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Framing hammers were designed to build houses, but we don't have a subsection on framing hammers in the article about houses. -

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If you had really read and understood the COI guidelines you would not be inserting references to your company on Knowledge. -

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Thanks, it is borderline, especially with the google books link instead of a bookstore. It turns out where were lots of other

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As the bright yellow box that shows up whenever you edit that page states, list entries should have independent sources that

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I saw that you completely removed the section on non-profit prediction market. You claim they are "examplefarm". I disagree.

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and links on that page, including a link to someone else's book at a bookstore, so I culled those but left the new ref. -

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Knowledge really is not a place to promote anything, whether the culture of Peru generally or your book in particular. -

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MrOllie, you are misinterpreting the Knowledge policy. How is the comparison table I've added any different to the other

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for more details. It may be an often requested list, as you say, but it will have to be hosted on some other web site. -

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may not be notable, and are likely to be removed. The software developer's own website is not an independent source.' -

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What in the world are you talking about? None of these 'variations' are listed on the page, nor should there be any. -

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I looked back through the history and I had trouble finding a non-spammy version, going back to the original upload. -

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Ignore that man. If you need a character witness when your parole review, I mean unblock request, occurs, let me know.

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That's a self-published web site that has clearly been put together to sell hot sauce. It is clearly inappropriate per

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Check the history again? I didn't revert any of your edits, I cleaned some stuff out of the external links section. -

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We don't externally link bookstores. Even if we did, we don't cite and/or link to self published books, generally. -

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Would & work? they clearly discuss the fact that Kiln is a code review tool and describe how they came about.

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Troubling, but to write about it on Knowledge we'll have to wait until independent journalists publish about it. -

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evaluation didn't get that far because it was an advert. I would suggest that you review wikipedia's guidelines on

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You're right. I don't think the blog satisfies EL at either URL, so I've removed them. Thanks for catching that. -

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of personal or professional association with the Global Solar Atlas, the World Bank Group or the UK government? -

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Every word you've written looks like an advertisement, including the paragraph you just put on this talk page. -

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You seem to have missed 'Links normally to be avoided' point 11, Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites. -

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has zero independent citations) and a little less 'monitor and assess'ing (whatever that means) my talk page. -

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That list is intended to be an index of Knowledge articles, not a list of every dating site on the internet. -

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One is a national broadcaster with a long record of publishing news, the other is a self-published podcast. -

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That you found other content you think is promotional is not a reason to add yet more promotional content. -

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You seem to be confused. You are edit warring with another editor at the Rancho Santa Fe article, not me. -

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Take to AFD then. The number of different editors would argue against a non-controversial speedy deletion.

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That may well be, but we tend not to link such things on Knowledge on the basis that they are helpful. See

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I'll make this simple: Don't restore links to saltworkstech.com, they're not appropriate for Knowledge. -

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Nagios already has a listing on that comparison. We shouldn't have a second listing for the XI variant. -

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No, that it is available and actively developed is not enough. It must have third party sources that meet

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Lists such as that one are navigation aids, and generally only include entries that have demonstrated

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Thank you random new user, I'll take your 100% unbiased and independent opinion into consideration. -

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It doesn't discuss the software in any detail - an entry in a bullet point list isn't sufficient. -

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Knowledge policies say that we don't build directories of software and/or external links here. See

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I'm happy your promotional efforts are bearing more fruit elsewhere, it sounds like a good book. -

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The list's inclusion criteria specify that it is a comparison of 'notable' software. 'Notable' is

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Generally speaking we don't link to community based sites such as ooga-mooga or Critiki. See the

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Knowledge. These folks are the US Government, and news sources, they have no potential for gain.

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But they are independent sources, TRANSCOM has no control over DAU has no control over etc., and

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I suggest you list your project on a site that is such a directory - dmoz.org is a good one. -

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It sounds like you didn't actually read the guideline I linked above. I suggest that you do. -

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We're better off without listing niche features that only one or two obfuscators support. -

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Nagios page - Nagios Plugins renamed to Monitoring Plugins, new URL @ monitoring-plugins.org

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Thanks for your valuable comments and suggestions on how to edit an article. It helps a lot.

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Your user name's similarity to the author of those studies is quite a coincidence, then. -

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No one is singling you out. I don't think WP is the best place to "get the word out" about

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I would ask that you spend a little more time adding neutral sources to your own articles (

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More like the English department at UCLA isn't independent from the UCLA PR department. -

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Without nontrivial coverage in independent sources, the article will surely be deleted. -

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Hello MrOllie and thank you for your contributions to WP. I put the EL's you removed from

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and refrain from adding articles about products you are affiliated with in the future. -

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Be more careful in future. Some of the rhetoric you used came uncomfortably close to a

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That website bills itself as a promotional vehicle for IT consultants and vendors. Our

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Why did you remove my edits to these pages: Grilling and Barbecue in the United States

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But we do have sections on why different houses are built where they are, and why.

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Removal of external links to testing frameworks on Behavior Driven Development page

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on Knowledge. Even otherwise good content is sometimes spammed in this fashion. -

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Why did you revert my edit to page: Comparison of file synchronization software

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You added external links. That comparison is an index of Knowledge articles. -

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How important could it be if the NCA didn't bother to pay the hosting bill? -

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It's an advertisement from top to bottom, and doesn't belong on Knowledge. -

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As I mentioned in my edit summary, I removed them based on our guidelines on

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Most google hits are not suitable sources. I suggest you have a look at the

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You seem to be removing encyclopedic information simply because it has bulk

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We could really use an independent source so we can place that content in

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for advice and best practices for using Knowledge for school projects. -

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I am hardly alone in this 'misinterpretation', consider the contents of

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Knowledge is not supposed to provide a directory of such services, see

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this is what causes all bad news to be reported in wiki, and no good.

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why have a web encyclopedia if you can't properly reference sources?

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noted - thank you! I'll see what notable sources, if any, I can find

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not supposed to be used as a directory of services or external links

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Because you added references to web sites that don't appear to meet

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I am not sure, in this case, that this was a correct removal under

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Your entry is still not linked to an existing Knowledge article. -

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Where does the evidence come from that this person is an employee?

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Looking for clarification as to why my citation removed from CMMS

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You can read about what Knowledge considers an acceptable source

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Why Were Changes Rejected For Tiki Mug Page & Tiki Bar Page?

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If you think it was deleted in error the place to raise that is

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meet Knowledge's guidelines for having an independent article

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at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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I have no idea why you're telling me this, I haven't edited

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Practice on that comparison is to list only articles that

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The article on Wisemapping was deleted because it did not

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External links such as those are not in keeping with the

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MultiOTP PHP open source class speedy deletion nomination

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No, links to websites such as that one that are there to

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Native ads & Content Marketing & Cause MArketing

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to keep it in. Since they did this as a group they were

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not to host a directory of links for people to discover.

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Software design pattern / External link to w3sdesign.com

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That software product didn't appear to meet Knowledge's

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not supposed to be a link directory or a website listing

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article. I assume you're talking about the addition by

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OK, thanks. I'm still feeling my way around in here :)

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Simulation / Simulation in Education / Virtual Coachers

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https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_tools_for_code_review

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valuable software comparison tables on Knowledge? E.g.

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The site you are adding links to, dealerbid, is not a

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Undoing my contribs in 'Comparison of database tools'

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I fixed a few things, but the work isn't done. As a

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But thank you for your consideration in the matter.

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