223:"Hrannar I have chosen to not participate in this conversation anymore, so please just leave me alone. I archived it because you and I were the only significant participants beyond two mediators who now have nothing to mediate. The conversation is now over and the best place for it is to archive it, for the health of the talk page if nothing else. Members can still puruse the archives as they please. I do not take back what I said because I believe it to be true. I will ,however, archive my last statement with the past discussion if you prefer. It really serves no purpose sense the conversation is now over. Go ahead and do what you want with the article. I will not revert or contest anything you do on the talk page or otherwise. I have given up trying to work with you for several reasons. One, you have never for one minute even acknowledged an ounce of validity in any arguement I have made in the last several weeks. 2. You seem to have a vendeta to destroy my credibility in the wiki community by airing my past mistakes, even after I have admitted to them (a long time ago I might add). Repeated attempts to ask you not to do this failed. 3. You have also fought me on several very minor and practical points to the point of high frustration. In short I think you just like to disagree with me now out of spite and I can't work with someone like that.
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Kleinzach - Thanks for all your previous help. Nrswanson has made the following statements on the talk page. Sure makes me look bad. He is welcome to his opinion, but now I feel this is inappropriate and suspect it borders on slander. Please advise on what an editor can do if he/she has this concern.
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I thought I'd just get the clicks removed (where practical - there'll probably be some that need left in), then call it done. There's not enough static for it to be worth it. As for where I find my files - the best places - if you can find them - are audiophile fan sites for the singers in question.
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Ah, I thought that might be the case. People always make a lot of typos, it's tough if it's so difficult to correct them. Another aspect of the difficulty of integrating sound into WP. However, ultimately it is better to correct them - look at the time we've wasted on this! If it had been correctly
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Golem (Bretan opera)). In this case, as there is no previous opera article, it is 'Golem (opera)' . If there is a later article on the Casken it becomes Golem (Casken). Our system may not be ideal - Grove uses numbers - but it reflects WP realities. If you look at existing titles you will see that
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Hey there, thanks for the welcome I just saw it; shows how much I pay attention. :D I'll be looking at doing bot runs more regularly in the next few months I hope, between trying to recover and school starting up in a few days I have a pretty full load right now. Thanks again for the welcome!
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Miranda ones? It's actually kind of annoying to change file names - you basically re-upload then change all the links to the new filename. There's a bot, but it's very slow to take action. But I can easily change the title shown when the music is used. I'll do that (probably not necessary in
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I just signed up for Grove online. That should help. Thanks for catching those errrors. I assumed (incorrectly) that
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Failing that, I usually research the singer, then check common repositories of public domain recordings. I try to avoid CDs and such, simply because I'm dirt poor. =) Anyway, sorry about the error - I'll fix it when the cleaned version is uploaded.
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