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the health of the talk page if nothing else. Members can still puruse the archives as they please. I do not take back what I said because I believe it to be true. I will ,however, archive my last statement with the past discussion if you prefer. It really serves no purpose sense the conversation is now over. Go ahead and do what you want with the article. I will not revert or contest anything you do on the talk page or otherwise. I have given up trying to work with you for several reasons. One, you have never for one minute even acknowledged an ounce of validity in any arguement I have made in the last several weeks. 2. You seem to have a vendeta to destroy my credibility in the wiki community by airing my past mistakes, even after I have admitted to them (a long time ago I might add). Repeated attempts to ask you not to do this failed. 3. You have also fought me on several very minor and practical points to the point of high frustration. In short I think you just like to disagree with me now out of spite and I can't work with someone like that.
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Inmysolitude is a new wiki contributor, became a member in Mid March of this year. And already, in less than a month, has had himself blocked for "disruptive behavior which includes behavior like vandalism and personal attacks." (You will not see it if you click on his talk page. You have to click on the Archive 1 link.) Seems suspect. Contentr usually archived if the content is too long or is old.
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not see what I discuss, than I will just restore the information. ONCE THE BOTH OF US AGREE THAT THE INFO IS NO LONGER RELEVANT, than we can move it. But in the future, I believe you would want me to reach consensus before doing anything, and I am asking the same of you. In other words, TALK FIRST, before making a major move. I commit to doing the same.
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because everyone will have to keep track of what's being said in two places instead of just one. Understand? Common practice when moving a conversation to another page is to archive the old discussion with handy links to the archive at the new discussion. This way everything remains on one page. Make
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I really believe you make some points. I tell you what. Since (1) we clearly disagree, (2) consensus was not asked for nor reached before this move (archving) was done and, (3) I actually make reference to several things on the page that would a) make me a liar and b) confuse people, since they would
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Hrannar you can't instruct suspension on a talk page. That is against wikipedia policy. I already explained that. The only viable solution was to archive. This is once again a small and obvious point that you fight me over. Any administrator will back me up on this. Any responsible editor would have
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I like Miss Battle and her article happens to be on my watchlist (I often add interesting articles to my list that I haven't personally edited). I am not particularly knowledgable about her (or opera for that matter) so I am honestly not that likely to add to what is already a very thorough article
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for their behavior. Since neither of them technically broke the 3RR rule I did not report them. Finally, I don't appriciate being accused of something by an editor I have absolutely no history with.
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