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Lostwithiel has many ELIOTS buried there. That is E-l-i-o-t with one 'l' and one 't'. This is a a fairly rare way of spelling the name, and given
Lostwithiel is only about 20 miles from Port Eliot it would seem a fair bet that we are one and the same family. Further my cygnet ring that has been passed down to me from many generations back has exactly the same insignia as that of the Port Eliot family. (an elephants head with a upward pointing trunk).My Grandfather on my mothers side did an extensive family tree for my part of the family and he compared this with the Port Eliot tree, but was unable to find a connection. However on visiting Lostwithiel he was offered a rumour by a local person, being that in the past one of the Earls of Saint Germans regularly rowed across the river between Port Eliot and Lostwithiel in order to carry on an illisit affair with a local barmaid. This lady apparently bore him at least one son and strangely for those days he allowed her to use the name Eliot. Before he died my Grandfather asked me to continue to try and find proof of the connection between the two families. I did have a chance meeting with the present Earl-Periguine Eliot. He absolutely refused to accept there was any connection and when I showed him my cygnet ring he told me it was 'fraudulent' of me to ware it. As I say I have no firm proof whatsoever that there is any connection, but the circumstance would seem to make it likely.
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he grew up, Augustus became a wealthy and respectable shopkeeper within Poole, running his own brush making business. He met and married Amelia
Catherine Bernard in 1856 and they had three children, Maria C., Charles T., and George A. They moved from Poole and lived at 219, Hunger Hill, East Stour, Gillingham, Dorset. According to the 1861 census, Amelia's grandfather, Moses Moore (1771–1863) also lived with the family in Poole thus making him a great-grandfather to Stanley. In the early 1880s, Augustus moved his family to Poplar, London an area which, unlike today, was considered to be a very attractive area to live When Augustus died in Poplar in 1884' his youngest son, George, (Stanley's father), moved to nearby Manor Park, where he would then set up home. George became a lawyer's clerk and worked for city lawyer, Mr Charles Bell. The two became close and Charles would eventually take the young George under his wing treating him like a son. It was then arranged that a courtship should take place between George and Charles's daughter, Florence Bell. The two married in 1886 and had two children, Amelia (born in December 1887) and Stanley (born in October 1890).
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1970´s and 1960´s that I could scan and mail to you. However, not many references are available. The Label was liquidated shortly after the
Military coup of 1976 after an extraordinary labor of almost 20 years. I also have all the records, the actual vinyl LP´s listed in the catalogue. I have purchased every Qualiton record from Argentina that has ever been offered through the internet and even before the internet through garage sales and other means. Not much has been written about Discos Qualiton, in fact I belive this is the most complete article ever written. I have interviewd a few surviving founding members such as Nelson Montes-Bradley and Ivan Cosentino, Also Luis M. Cosenza and Nora Rafo. My question is: How do I reference myself? If the information provided in the article derives from my own search and investigation ON THE FIELD, and I can´t quote. How do I convey that fact? I would sincerely apreciate your help on this one. I would feel terrible if after almost three years of working in the reconstruction of Discos Qualiton history the article would get deleted because of my incapacity to prove the facts presented.
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south of Canada (and excepting, always, southern
British Columbia, which almost has no winter at all) is about 5 to 6 months (mid-October to as late as mid-April for new snow). It is not considered safe to plant before the 24th of May any annual that cannot survive a frost. Even the earliest of the annual agricultural seed crops cannot be planted until the frost is out of the ground, and we still have snow. Spring is a riot of colour but seldom more than 6 weeks long. Summer is the only solstice that works: late June is about right for the start, and we have to expect a killing frost for annuals as early as the last week of September. Autumn, also a riot of colour, runs from late September to mid- to late October. It gets worse the further north you go. Is it any wonder so many Canadians retire to places like Florida and Arizona and New Mexico for half the year?
2969:? When I removed the line, there was no way I could have added references to the article, since they would not have referenced any of the information. That was why I referred to my sources in the edit summary (which you just overlooked). If you feel that it should stay, along with the clarification that there is no hard evidence backing it up, feel free to use the sources I supplied to give a two-sided view on the matter. I just didn't feel comfortable letting dubious information stay within the article. Either the clarification should be made that this is an unfounded rumor, or it should be removed, but we can't publish it as fact without hard evidence. And I'm also asking you to take back the assertion that my edits are doing damage, that's highly insulting. What's doing damage to the encyclopedia is the publishing of POV statements in
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that, forever blocking out all the other possible interpretations. Do you think the author would have wanted that ? If so, why didn't he write in in an unambiguous form ? And I wish we could disagree without you getting personal about it and attacking me. Have I attacked you ? My knowledge of
Russian simply isn't relevant to the discussion of when literal translations are and are not appropriate. My same comments apply to any translation, specifically this comment: "In a case where there's really only one possible translation, like 'put your nose to the grindstone', then that's fine. But the cases given here seem to have multiple translations possible, so picking one at random does a disservice to the author. If he had intended for it to be unambiguous, he would have written it that way."
674:(please feel free to edit). I usually find it a bit safer to give the title "List of..." when I have no other text to put there; however, if you have such material (have you got, for instance, Eigeldinger's magnificent "Chopin as seen..."? I've got it only in Polish, translating would be a long process), a non-list title is of course preferable. Perhaps it is Eigeldinger's book that suggested the title "pupil" to me. In fact "student" sounds a bit too modern or academic for me, especially if "student" means here a young lady who had enough money to afford a lesson with Chopin (the case of Nadia is therefore slightly different). You are the native here, though, so I gladly leave the matter for you to decide :) Warm regards,
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Neil
Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the Moon. If I came across some information that convinced me the real first person was Sergio Fernandez from Paraguay, would it be OK to just remove all the information about Neil Armstrong's claim from all relevant articles? Absolutely not. I would be entitled to enter the info about the competing Fernandez claim, with a reference to the source of my belief, so that others can check it out for themselves and assess its reliability or lack thereof. That is what I have been at pains to ask you to do, and I repeat my request now.
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young women, and to a lesser extent young men, speak a different variety of
English than I do. I confess that I have the same subjective impression of "spoiled brat" when I hear that kind of speech. My aunt, who is 76, has pointed out to me that young Americans, particularly from the west coast (e.g., California) and particularly females, are using slightly different vowels in some contexts than older generations use. I think that is part of what makes their speech difficult for you, and I think it is an example of language change happening in front of us. Cheers.
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saying that a specific interpretation should be translated rather than going with the literal (and ambiguous) translation. I never said that my interpretations should be used, rather that the author's should (literal translation). And yet again, you seem to ignore my comment that general translations issues, such as when to do a literal or figurative translation, transcend all languages, and, thus, no specific knowledge of a language is needed to comment on that distinction. Instead, you just repeat the same misplaced
1590:. Now, I have no problem with your reply there, even though, presumably, you are not an expert on MP expense scandals in the UK. If you had said something that requires an expert knowledge on that subject, like referring to a secret document on the UK expense scandals which nobody else has ever seen, then it might be relevant. Since you seem to have kept to the more general topic of expense scandals, just as I stayed with the general topic of literal versus figurative translations, what you said there is just fine.
3379:"politician" and "scientist". To use "Queensland Senator" would suggest there were other notable Australian politicians named Walter Cooper: a South Australian member of the House of Representatives, perhaps; or a member of the Tasmanian state parliament, perhaps? But there were no such people. No other Australians at all, in fact. We don't need to allow for all possible future contingencies when choosing the titles of articles. If a third Walter Cooper comes on board, we can review matters then. Cheers. --
3554:, but I'm sure there's plenty of work still to be done. There used to be a "rule" that the possessive of surnames ending in -s are made by adding an apostrophe only, not 's. I've seen various versions of this rule: one says it applies only to Biblical characters (which makes sense in cases like "Jesus's disciples" and "Moses's teachings"). Other versions are even more hard-line, applying to all nouns ending in -s (Jones, Petraeus, Sibelius, Foss, Goss, ...) and some people adhere to it uber-rigidly.
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2202:. Dictionaries often translate it with "to add one's two cents" or "to have one's say", but these translations miss the nuance of unwelcome opining when the phrase is applied to others. After all, two cents may be meager, but it's always worth two cents, while my own mustard might be nasty and sour rather than sweet and tangy. Seriously though, thanks both for taking such an interest in my silly little question and for holding an entertaining discussion! Personally, I enjoyed reading
164:, you have two people who have weighed in to agree with you and none have weighed in against (and I included so much text on the talk page so that, if you do it as a page move request, there's already evidence and arguments which people can see). Clearly you're the more experienced and active user though so I'll leave it to you. By the way, the reason I even *found* the question is that I'm a contributor and administrator at Muppet Wiki and, some time back, I'd created a
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studied German, Italian or
Spanish either, but you will look in vain for any instance where I have pronounced pontifically about how passages in these languages ought to be translated into English. I would never take it upon myself to decide such a thing about a language I know next to nothing about. Without such knowledge, how could I possibly know where to begin? That’s where we differ, apparently. --
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sales as a single-sided record. This is another example of the type of claim discographers make without documentation. I had repeated the story about Gluck's million-seller in "Caruso
Records--A History and Discography" but the claim had always bothered me, so I was delighted to find that someone had actually written the sales figure on the reverse side of the blue history card for this record"
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doesn't mean it's suitable material for an encyclopedia article. That's the sort of information one might expect to find in a 350-page biography. So, no, I do not accept that my removal of this information was vandalism. But since you feel so strongly about it, and have at least now placed it in a more chronologically appropriate position, I won't remove it again.
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could add other information but the fact is they don't so what am i supposed to do? not add information that I have researched for the fear of being accused of "Owning" the article? Rubbish! If I have something relevant to say and can back this up with the correct and original source then I will add it. Surely the whole point of
Knowledge is it not?
168:, with a shorter biography and then a section on how the Muppets referenced him or his work over the years. However, while that page uses "Bela Lugosi," we've had to link to the article here with a template to note the different spelling. So I just checked to see whether any change in article name had occurred in the intervening years. --
799:, which tells me it goes back to the good old Romans, bless them. Also that, ever since 1780, "professional meteorologists all over the world have used this definition" (that is, grouping seasons in 3 whole calendar months). Those who go by the solstices seem to be the ones out of step here. :) The things you learn on Knowledge. --
770:. While that rarely equates to any local change in the weather -we had 10 cm of new snow on the 3rd day of spring this year, for example- it does have a quasi scientific "feel" to it. Nothing else here depends upon the seasonal date, though. Perhaps it is different in your half. Why would the first of the month be chosen, I wonder?
956:, would you take a look at the article? I think the instrumentation should appear sooner, what do you think? - Btw, if a piece has a linked article, I don't link the composer also, unless it's a very unfamiliar one. Whoever wants to find out, can just click on the piece. Or not? - Another new article asking your experience:
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views from reputable sources can be put forward in the article so that readers can make up their own minds. It does not mean that the claim can simply be arbitrarily removed as if it has been incontrovertibly demonstrated to be untrue, and particularly not where the claim is supported by a reputable source, as it is. --
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interested in Stanley Holloway's family background , that's fine, but other's are. A bit of advice, stick to the rules and respect the work of other's. Or how about this little golden nuggett " It's time for you to step back, take a break - at least from that article - and try to restore some perspective to your life ".(
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history, but it adds weight to who SH was and gives the reader an insight into what type of family he is from, a family whom I have found to have famous relation's such as Oliver Percy Bernard and his two sons. Facts which would have otherwise gone un noticed had it not have been for my research on the subject. (
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True, "fine hime align" is not new anymore, but it's certainly younger than me. I still remember the first time I ever heard people speaking this way. But then, I think I must have had a very sheltered childhood in many ways. I didn't even meet a divorced person until I was about 18. Such persons
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I'm an employment consultant, and the average age of my clients is around 25-ish, I guess (they range from 16 to even older than I am!). Most of them are intelligible enough, but some ... Their vowels are unlike anything I ever spoke. "Phone home alone" would come out sorta like "fine hime align",
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Stanley Holloway's paternal grandfather, Augustus Holloway,(1829–1884) was an orphan and was brought up by the Stone family, who lived at 139 West Street, Poole, Dorset. The head of the house was a local sailmaker named John Stone, who had three children of his own and was married to Mary Stone. When
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I might add that the whole tenor of your message is about ownership of the article. This seems to be confirmed by your user page. Nobody owns any WP article, and nobody including the creator and/or the main contributor has any rights over anyone else. If you find that you've become obsessive about
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sometimes mean you can't translate a word to the same word in another language. For example, you might translate a French sentence containing the word "molest" into English as "Would you mind if I molest you for few minutes ?", but the less alarming translation to English would be "Would you mind if
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So, since this particular case does not appear to be an idiom, the literal translation should be done. How do I know it's not an idiom ? Well, first, an idiom that had been literally translated (into a language which lacks the same idiom) would sound nonsensical, (something like "set your mother on
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I refer to when I said "Right, but isn't it better to do the literal translation, then let the reader decide what it really means, than have the translator add in his opinion of what it means ?", to which you responded "No..." (you can read the rest at the link, too much to copy). So, you seem to be
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why I advocate for "nom's" as the correct abbreviated form for "nominations". I assume that, ultimately, this is a matter of style and preference that can go either way (as you stated). As I said, my upbringing/education taught me to include an apostrophe to replace the missing letters. Thanks! (
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Hello. Sorry for the delayed response. Your post got "buried" on my Talk Page. I was always taught that an apostrophe "filled in" for the missing letters. Hence, I would always use "gov't" for "government" ... or "dep't" for "department" ... or "ass'n" for "association" ... and so forth. That is
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With the greatest respect for your erudition, Knowledge simply does not and cannot work by accepting that editors "know what they're talking about". Nor do I think you're a fool. All information in articles must be supported by explicit citations from reputable sources. What I am "protecting" and
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we can assume that his sales of single-sided records (and vesti la giubba was originally published SS) were in the neighborhood of five million copies during his lifetime. There are production figures for some of his single-sided records, but there is no way to estimate how many Caruso records have
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Firstly I do not think I "Own" this page and am somewhat perplexed as to your attitude towards my involvement on this particular article. YES i seem to be adding/editing more information than others , that's because I have an interest in this particular subject. I would appreciate it if other people
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I don’t believe I’ve attacked you, and I regret if any of my words have left you feeling that way. Referring to one’s lack of knowledge of subject X, Y or Z is simply a factual observation, but a very relevant one in this case. There’s nothing shameful about not having studied Russian. I’ve never
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into the byways of Russian idiom, which leaves English idiom (with all its strange and odd expressions) in the shade when it comes to saying things in a non-literal way. Which is why I would always prefer to favour something non-literal, particularly given the literal translation in this case is so
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You could just call it "Pupils of Frédéric Chopin". That way, it would allow us to have some narrative material and it wouldn't have to be confined to a dry list. There are various people who claimed to be his student, but weren't; or where the evidence is inconclusive; so this approach would also
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Hi Rod. Actually, I did think of the bigger picture (I've been doing a lot of thinking about the bigger picture lately), but since Knowledge has only 2 people named Walter Cooper - the Australian politician and the American scientist - there is currently no need for any further disambiguation than
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Hi there, without wishing to start an edit war... the reason I renamed the page to Walter Cooper (Queensland Senator) was to disambiguate a very common name. Walter Cooper (politician) is still far too generic, there would be thousands of such people around the world in history. Please think of the
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You're too close, Bielle. It's not just the Americans who hear Canadians saying "oat and a boat" for "out and about", I've been noticing that for too long to remember. Of course, it's a stereotype, and not all Canadians speak that way. Walter Pidgeon didn't. I'm sure I'm too close to Australian
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Alma Gluck was the first record to sell 1mil copies. Not only was she exceptionally popular, but her records were more favorably priced than Caruso's. Because many of Caruso's records have been continously available, worldwide, most of his more popular recordings have long since passed a million in
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What does this tell the general reader about Stanley Holloway? Pretty well nothing. How does it add to our knowledge of what made him notable? It doesn't. Everyone has myriads of ancestors, and in some cases information about some of them is available. The mere availability of that information
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Show some respect. I have spent a lot of time researching Stanley Holloway's family history and although you might not find it interesting, other's will. I have spent a lot of money buying census records and have spent endless hours doing thorough research which has all been referenced correctly so
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He stated his opinion of what it might mean, but never said it should be translated that way. He also said "there certainly isn't anything in the song to make one absolutely sure what the ambiguity here means". I still disagree with you that you should pick one possible interpretation and go with
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This whole thing has been a valuable lesson for me, and I hope others, in the power of perceptions. It doesn't matter a tinker's cuss (if I may quote a well-known habitué of these parts) what anyone ever intends, it's what comes across that counts. I've been telling that to others for decades, and
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I am not surprised to be among those out of step; it is nearly always true for me on a personal level, so why not on a national one, too? The problem is the same for us whether the seasons are solstice-defined or calendar-month defined: our seasons are not balanced. Winter, for example, even in the
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Hello. I'd like to ask you whether it's better to create an article entitled "List of pupils of Frédéric Chopin" or simply "List of Frédéric Chopin's pupils". Or is there a third option? Both sound a bit clumsy, at least to me, so I thought I should ask a native speaker for advice before getting to
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back in July (I'm most active on Wikia wikis these days) but I agree on the page name issue, and added my thoughts and some evidence to the talk page, and I went through the history to trace the page moves and the cited reasons (which ultimately seem to reflect the inconsistent usage in the article
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I hadn't heard about "oat" and "aboat" before, just "oot" and "aboot". People mimicking an accent that is the local way of speaking exaggerate the difference from their own normal pronunciation, which is why many of the attempts at an Aussie accent comes out as "more cockney than cockney". It is
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That was a very funny comment, Jack, and also intriguing. My ears are somewhat aging (49), but, living in the States, I deal with young women who speak just like those actresses on my job, so I guess I am bilingual or diglossic without consciously perceiving—before reading your comment—that these
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It has been alleged that she was the first artist in recording history to have had a recording reach one million copies in sales. The record frequently cited, "Carry me back to old Virginny" was probably one of her bestselling titles, but the Victor files state that it reached only 70189 in total
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Another issue for a title such as "Der 100. Psalm" in en-WP is how to say it out loud. Those who don't know German would be saying the German words "Der" and "Psalm", with the English word "hundredth" in the middle - which is an artistic and linguistic atrocity. We have to make it easier for our
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I brought this here 'cause it's off topic. But I can't help mentioning that It'd be an interesting study to go through footage of life-and-death emergencies and catch people crossing themselves. Surely they wouldn't be as deliberate as they are in a church, but would they get as half-assed as the
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Dear Jack, I am going to take a big risk here. I hope our cyber friendship can survive my confession. I was in Australia (and all around Australia) in 1984-1985, and "phone home alone" always sounded to my Canadian ear like "fine hime align" except in Adelaide for some reason. I don't think that
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believe it's not true. The incorrect belief should be retained, then countered with references showing why it is not true. You have the information, so it's up to you to provide it. Let me give you an analogy: It's universally believed (by those who don't think the whole thing was a hoax) that
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Now given these sources, I think its highly improbable that the record sold 1million copies and it is very probable that the sales figure was a rumor, much like the Alma Gluck record. None of the sources out there cite where they get the million figure from (and I bet some of the recent ones have
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I do appreciate this, Cookatoo. I must say I felt almost naughty in calling you out the way I did, but it was how I felt, and I could not just let it slide. Your apology is of course accepted, and whatever it was you apologised about is now officially considered never to have happened. It must
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Indeed. And think of the economic aspect, Bielle: we'd be providing employment for literally millions of people as gibbet makers, executioners, grave diggers. funeral directors, and trainers of these professions, while simultaneously getting rid of millions of unwashed masses whose only current
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speak otherwise. Please don't reinsert it without a consensus because I have provided several sources which contest the idea of "million sellers" before 1920. Internet-only sources are sometimes not the most reliable, and the Guiness Book of records is not an authority on the recording industry.
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and that I'm no fool with this subject. You seem to think that I am, as you have followed my edits around and removed/challenged them. I ask you to sit back and let me edit and let other editors challenge them if they feel the need to do so. It's this sort of protective/defenseive attitude that
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Also, there's a big gap between (a) some individual doubting the truth of a claim, and (b) the claim being comprehensively debunked. You say the original claim (that Vesti was the first million-seller) is "dubious", which sounds like we're in the territory of camp (a). That means that opposing
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Secondly how dare you tell me how to spend my time or my money. If I choose to spend time and money in this way because I find it interesting ....then I will. You seem to think you know what everybody else is thinking and what interest's other people. The fact is YOU dont. It's clear you are not
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later explains that she is interested for her own sake and not in order to provide a translation for any other purpose. And so several opinions on "a correct interpretation" were given by native and/or competent speakers of Russian, for which they were thanked. While there may be occasions where
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I apologise for overreacting to your comments on the Indian querent who posed a question on German grammar. I guess I was irritated by your posting, which I thought to be atypical for a person of your balanced and considerate view of human - erm - peculiarities. Being a somewhat layed-back and
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My name is Sabonarola, I have been working for the last few years reconstructing the past of Discos Qualiton, Argentina, a record label in Buenos Aires. You recently requested I provide references and evidence of the production exhibited in the catalogue. I do own a few catalogues printed in the
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only sold about 70000 copies. And this was one of the most popular discs of the time! I'm referring to John Bolig's discussions of record sales in his Red Seal Discography and his Caruso Discography. He is an very respected authority on the matter who has actually gone through the archives and
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claim, Mr T.F. Space. Not that I'm in any position to dispute the veracity of it, but let's have an actual citation of this publication in the article itself, so that we can all see whatever it is Mr Bolig has to say. Saying stuff in an edit summary, or to a fellow editor, does not count for
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I choose not to have an overly extravagant user page for personal reasons. I accept your views on weather you think the family background section has any relevance to Stanley Holloway, but I would disagree with these views. One's background partly makes one who they are. Ok, its not a riviting
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However I find it really offensive if other user's simply delete genuinely sourced and cited information which has clearly taken a lot of time to complete for the pure fact only that they don't find it interesting. I would say that this kind of deletion constitutes Vandalism as it is a wilful,
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I'm new to the encylopedia, so I hope I am corresponding on the right page. The current head of the Eliots(of Port Eliot)family is Pereguine Eliot who has the title The Earl of Saint Germans, sorry for the confusion. My part of the family appears to come from Lostwithiel and the churchyard at
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My rule of thumb is: If you pronounce the extra syllable when speaking, then indicate it in writing. If not, don't. I can't imagine anyone uttering a sentence that sounds like "Truss opinion was not taken very seriously". No, it's "Truss's opinion ..." (which sounds exactly like "trusses
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any one Knowledge article, to the point that any edits by others are unacceptable to you no matter what their intrinsic merits may be, or to the point that you're spending vast amounts of time and/or money privately in order to obtain sources about increasingly obscure background facts that
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Probably nobody would ever dedicate the time to research this sort of thing, but If I'm ever King of the World, I'm going to have a whole department dedicated to researching questions like this and then providing me with an answer in YouTube form. I feel it would be a benefit to humanity.
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opinion of what it might mean? I have never said that my opinion is the only one worth listening to – it’s just my sense of what the passage means, that’s all I’ve ever said. Anybody is perfectly free to disagree with me. There has been no “forever blocking out all the other possible
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You seem hell-bent on not allowing people the right to express their "opinion" of the meaning, yet you insist on expressing your "opinion" on how the translation ought to be tackled, and have now come to me with an "I told you so". On that score: Just because there is no "single universal
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Why did you undo my edit here? The idea that Vesti la giubba sold 1000000 copies has been reported is a well-publicised myth, none of the early red seal records sold nearly that much -- the actual figures were far lower. Another one of the rumored "million sellers", Alma Gluck singing
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Nowhere have I told you how to spend your time and money. Do with them whatever you please. But for the reasons stated above, please do not burden the WP article on Stanley Holloway with the fruits of your labours unless they add to its quality. Quantity does not equal quality. --
2667:, but I see from the entries above this that you have been equally sagacious (and miraculously patient) in re Stanley Holloway too. Your good-humoured corrections of well-meant but unfortunate additions are once again meritorious above and beyond the call of duty. Salutations!
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Being slightly older than you I am also aware that there are days when a glimmer of despair at the approaching end of the tunnel, mixed with growing fury at the stupidity and complacency of our fellow humanoids clouds our crystal clear perceptions. Please accept my apologies.
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tells us a lot about your attitude to the article. Symbolically, it's as if your entire being and whole life is devoted to the championing of Holloway's life and works, and if that's not being too close to the subject to have a proper perspective, I don't know what would
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Thanks, Mifter. In Australia, we very boringly start our seasons on the 1st of the month, so it's officially been autumn here since 1st March. But I'd rather say that the natural year starts on Bach's birthday, although Chopin's birthday wouldn't have been too bad. --
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fire and ask the barber for a pail of water") while this literal translation does sound meaningful. (It has an ambiguous meaning, but that's still a meaning.) Second, if it had been a common Russian idiom, I'd have expected either you or the OP to have mentioned that.
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translation", whatever that means, is not in itself a justification for translating a passage word for word. If there are a number of possible non-literal ways of translating a passage, all reasonably valid, then any of them is a better choice than the literal version.
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She's at the very fringe of my consciousness, I have to say, Gerda. I have a couple of other juicy projects on the boil at the moment, and the spirit moveth me to focus on them. But thanks for the heads up. Her time will come. It always does. Eventually. :) --
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OK, a few things here. It's not a question of whether I personally find certain information uninteresting or whatever. It's a question of whether the information is encyclopedic or not. For the life of me, I cannot see that the following passage is encyclopedic:
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pronunciation is new. (And now you may retaliate with your perceptions of how Canadians butcher the language. The Americans always use "out" and "about" for their examples, which they claim we pronounce as "oot" and "aboot" though I can't hear it myself.) Regards,
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stylized version you see in movies? What about people who hadn't gone to church in twenty years but figured, what the hell, 'better safe than sorry'? Would they do it repeatedly as you sometimes see in movies? Quantity verses quality?
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requested to join Canada at some earlier time. I believe they were turned down because of the high rate of unemployment. I think someone missed an opportunity here. There would be more than enough employment if all the Canadian
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consider accepting a commission. Otherwise, the stream of Jackofoziana meanders inexorably on, carving a course that no man, least of all I, can predict. Or would ever want to. I like surprises far too much for that. :) --
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voices to hear the alleged "cockney" sounds we make. But then, we can all spot an American or even a Brit trying to do an Australian accent - it just comes out all wrong, much closer to real cockney than how we actually sound.
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I won't be taking you up on your invitation to include Bolig's information. I have not personally seen it, all I have is your say-so that it even exists - not that I'm doubting you, but you surely see the dangers here. --
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purpose is to inflate the unemployment figures. A total win-win, wouldn't you agree. It feels so warm and comforting to be able to bring such good into the world in times like these. I blush at my own excellence. --
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Are there any other projects you had in mind? I have a suggestion: the summary execution of people who disagree with you, me, and other reasonable and right-thinking people. Equerry, have the gibbets erected! --
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time for you to step back, take a break - at least from that article - and try to restore some perspective to your life. Letting go is a most worthwhile spiritual discipline. I heartily recommend it to you. --
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I imagine that it was a copy and paste from one of the many places that has the 'standard' database that Muze and Allmusic, etc, use. No need to get worked up about it, but I agree completely with your efforts :)
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I've made numerous edits to that article of recent days. Which specific edit or edits are you referring to? I do not take kindly to accusations of vandalism, so I require you to substantiate your claim. --
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I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Knowledge. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Knowledge contributors." I would like to invite you to
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Look, you're missing the point. All that information you just provided above is very interesting, but people reading the articles in question do not have it - because you're not sharing it with
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But, hey, all confessions are fair game here, Bielle. There's never any risk involved. Now, say 12 Hail Marys and resolve to lead a blameless life from now on. Go in peace, my child. :) --
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Sorry for the delay, Your Majesty; I was unavoidably detained on matters of the gravest moment. As Grand Marshall of the Nether Realms, it would be my delight to assist you in this endeavour.
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do massive damage if they don't play by the rules. That was just a bit of friendly advice to become better acquainted with protocol, otherwise it's possible you will be on the slippery slope.
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I created a red link for Australian soprano Emma Pearson and see her mentioned many times, do you feel like writing about her? I am busy with a heavy State Theater, premiere on Saturday, --
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good year. Seems like only yesterday ... but it wasn't (I turned 60 last November). But I digress. Glad you got a chuckle.
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1879:OK, if you're willing to continue, let's continue.
2782:Nowhere in here am I getting the picture that his
1961:how should this particular translation be handled?
926:going to play with my first article to honour his
3598:in his article, but there are a few instances of
2650:Message added 18:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC). You can
3845:http://www.debussy.fr/encd/catalog/chronopus.php
3189:Your RefDesk comment on young American actresses
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1447:That sure reads like an opinion to me, Stu.
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1887:If you don't agree with it, why not? --
3699:was updated with a fact from the article
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1391:Thanks, Bielle. I'll check it out. --
1298:was updated with a fact from the article
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3487:And I, at your humility and perception.
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2368:— Preceding
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376:Lyndon Watts
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346:— Preceding
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199:4 March 2011
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3746:quick check
3711:Franz Liszt
3660:Done. --
3558:opinion").
3239:accusations
2610:** Cough**
1987:Translation
1708:Kansas City
1412:Permalink:
1334:quick check
1144:Apostrophes
1115:La traviata
1056:Jrjkfurifns
644:Franz Liszt
590:Herostratus
410:Google News
400:Nothing in
340:Sincerely,
263:quick check
36:This is an
3876:Jack of Oz
3833:Jack of Oz
3798:Jack of Oz
3742:here's how
3730:(pictured)
3721:BACH motif
3663:Jack of Oz
3643:20 minutes
3639:Main Study
3605:Jack of Oz
3567:Wayne Goss
3465:Jack of Oz
3425:Jack of Oz
3382:Jack of Oz
3338:Jack of Oz
3297:Jack of Oz
3245:Jack of Oz
3196:Marco polo
3177:Jack of Oz
3172:BACH motif
3100:Jack of Oz
2943:Jack of Oz
2890:personally
2750:Jack of Oz
2685:Jack of Oz
2616:Jack of Oz
2570:Jack of Oz
2511:Jack of Oz
2422:Jack of Oz
2416:definitely
2412:ipso facto
2397:Jack of Oz
2314:Page moves
2176:Jack of Oz
2014:Jack of Oz
1890:Jack of Oz
1800:Jack of Oz
1713:Jack of Oz
1638:Jack of Oz
1630:in general
1531:Jack of Oz
1472:Jack of Oz
1394:Jack of Oz
1330:here's how
1314:conducted
1262:Jack of Oz
1242:my article
1202:Jack of Oz
1128:Jack of Oz
1088:Jack of Oz
1067:Psalm CLIX
1018:Jack of Oz
908:Jack of Oz
830:Jack of Oz
802:Jack of Oz
756:Jack of Oz
660:Jack of Oz
606:Jack of Oz
550:Jack of Oz
494:Wavelength
451:Jack of Oz
352:Sabonarola
317:Jack of Oz
259:here's how
223:pedal harp
136:Jack of Oz
98:Archive 20
90:Archive 18
85:Archive 17
79:Archive 16
73:Archive 15
68:Archive 14
60:Archive 10
3709:... that
3647:cooldenny
3620:Timeshift
3600:Menzies's
3584:Menzies's
3530:Timeshift
3515:Timeshift
3365:Rcbutcher
3289:should be
2977:article.
2971:Pagliacci
2927:Pagliacci
2669:Tim riley
2665:Pagliacci
2590:Cassianto
2565:adjective
2545:Cassianto
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