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746:" or "anti-American government," he has portrayed himself as "anti-American" and made quite clear he means people, not concepts. His many attempts at explaining away his bigotry have only emphasized it. As jguk noted, Grunt is likely not yet at university; I was older than he when I was in the American South in an era when there were still signs for "colored cabins" and "no dogs or Jews allowed" signs on luncheonettes. Yet I knew admitted bigots who insisted that their bigotry would not affect their fair-mindedness or ability to deal with others. Just like Grunt: "Also please note that I have explicity stated here that I do not let bias get in the way of my editing." I don't like to attack him because he is young; many good Wikipedians are and I was myself quite active politically at his age. I attack his behavior in this regard because this attitude is a glaring indication of his immaturity; in his hubris he tells us, on his user page: "The basic fact is that I am strongly opposed to the current American administration and its policies and actions, and view a "typical American" to be one that blindly supports that administration (otherwise they would not legitimately be in power). It seems to me that most Americans with the skill and knowledge to edit Knowledge do not fall into this category in that they are at least informed enough to understand why they support the current policy (if they happen to support it)." Well, there are more "typical Americans" since last November than when he originally wrote that. I submit Grunt has not the worldliness to make such a broad judgment. -- 988:. Americans are a diverse people, evenly split on many of the policies facing their nation. The "typical American", as you describe it, is a stereotype, just as a "typical Canadian" would be in this case. Using the term "anti-American" as you do is merely a form of discriminatory rhetoric and is not helpful in any way. Personally, I feel that you have it on your page to get a rise out of people, or provoke debate. While that may or may not be the case, the statement on your user page reflects poorly on any interest in neutrality you might wish to portray, and illustrates a logical flaw you may wish to correct. Discriminating against a single person because of their actions or beliefs is one thing, but generalizing about 293 million people is quite another. I think you will discover the type of blind patriot you describe as a "typical American" in every country, as the phenomenon of 1347: 510:... you were the centre of attention. GNAA attention. The little devils discovered they could create accounts with nonprintable characters in their username and it looks like you were vandalising. However, as you know, you weren't. I think we only blocked you from editing like, 3 or 4 times. You should be cool now though :-) Welcome back, innocent bystander! How does it feel to be collateral damage? - 43:!!! ). at the moment our plants section leaves mutch to be desierd. On your talk page you mentioned how many edits you had done. I recently came to wikipedia and have avaraged about 1 page a day and .5 major edits a day for abot...eh 2 weeks. I was hoping that you might have suggestions for me to speed up my very slow progrees so i can get more things done here? 844:. I merely reverted some edits that were (in my view) clearly against the consensus on the talk page, just as I do tens of times a day in the course of RC patrolling. Has whoever filed this case explicitly filed against me? Otherwise I'm not sure why I'm listed as a party in this RfAr, and would prefer not to be. RfAr is not about content disputes after all. -- 1396:

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on

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If by JakeW you mean Jwrosenzweig, then he was not informed because he is not a party to the dispute. Otherwise, said JakeW was not involved in the initial statement of complaint and was therefore not named to be notified that the case was opening. I do not feel the need to refrain from participation

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where the pack is going wrong. Did you notice how people both American and non-American are often happy to "irrationally slant a whole nation" when it suits them. "America" is a construct, a common agreement by individual human beings. To be against a construct is not to be against the individuals

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I would add that I can see you are young, not yet at university. When you grow older and enter the workplace you will appreciate why negative comments such as these are frowned upon. Indeed, if I were to express those views, I would (quite rightly) be soon out of a job. Irrationally slating a whole

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Congratulations. As you probably know from observing American politics, the narrowness of your margin of victory doesn't necessarily limit your activity while in office; you have the same authority as any other Arbitrator. The one consequence, however, is that you got last choice (in other words,

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Hi Grunt, Your contribution history seems to be truncated and so I am unable to view the history. I notice that you invited Jaijg to lead evidence in my AC matter. Why? And who else did you inform/invite and why? This is in the interests of transparency you understand. Please post reply into the

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Of course it should. It shows him that he's doing an excellent job at something, and that the people who desire to damage Knowledge hope to hinder him. (The average, normal member of the Knowledge populace does not want to damage Knowledge, and does not vandalize). Keep up the good work, Grunt!

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Back in September I was a candidate for adminship, but I withdrew and since then, I've been working away and have now decided to try again, nominating myself. Though you voted to oppose at that time, you seemed receptive to a future candidacy and, therefore, I'd appreciate your vote on the new

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3) I would resign if the community reached a general decision to remove me in the context of an Arbitration Committee election. As it stands, that is not likely to happen. It has already been established that I have amongst the highest levels of support in the community of those willing to be

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May I again ask you to remove the references to you being "anti-American" from your userpage. To my mind they are not appropriate for any user, let alone an Arbitrator. Keeping them there, despite many users asking you to remove them, shows that you have an appalling lack of judgment (which

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Curious, Bacchiad themselves asked me to edit the article, which is about Greek and hellenic gods, as well as those of Egypt, Syria, and Babylon. Seems like a deliberate attempt at a trap by a sockpuppet of one of the people filing the RfC against me. I wonder who you really are, Bacchiad?

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I completely understand your position in regard to the current American administration, as well as your views on its policies and actions. However, your comments (and reasoning) behind using the term "typical American" appears to be in error as you seem to be committing the fallacy of

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Anyway this user and his GNAA friends found a glitch in the new software and proceeded to first attack your page then a few others. If you'll note my contributions it will generally give you an outline of the attack. We either successfully blocked him/them or they wore themselves out.

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who create and maintain that construct, and to believe a construct has developed problematic flaws is in some ways parallel to believing that a building is no longer 100% safe. So I can see how there is a critical difference between being anti-American, and anti-American

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Grunt, an explanation of my recent comments regarding that message. I was a bit steamed up about the whole block thing. I wasn't aware that messaging all admins was considered "spam" when it was an administrative question about VfD. You might like to comment on

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Could you tell me what the character in your sig is supposed to be? I can only see a blank box, so apparently one of my Unicode ranges is using a too limited font. If you could tell me the exact range (e.g. Greek extended or whatever) I'd really appreciate it.

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Oh, I don't know about that, Jguk .... I'm sure many people have personal opinions that they don't let interfere in their formal work. In fact for many positions its a necessity. Sometimes those who aren't running with the pack are the only ones who can see

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with interest, and would like to comment. Unfortunately, the discussion page seems to redirect to the old discussion page at present. I would imagine that we should have a new discussion page for comments on the current RfA. Please could you fix? -

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And why may I ask was JakeW not informed? He to is and has been central to "case related" comment. I ask you in the light of the irregualrities around the acceptance and launch of this AC matter that you consider witdrawing from the procedings. -

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Grunt -- congratulations on your election to the AC. I am pleased to see the group who has been elected, and I have great confidence in your abilities. If I can ever be of any help, please let me know. Merry Christmas and best wishes,

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as you can see above, my normal typing skills leves much to be desierd (thats part of the reason im here-to improve it) i can promise that i dont make that many mistakes in my edits (even if it takes awile to get my words just right)

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I R FROM CANADA STATES OF AMERICA"). And because no ops were around we tolerated it until someone from chanserv opted a few people (one of whom even opted me) and banned them. Unfortunetly we were not so successful on the wiki.

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You are listed on the AMA Members Statement pages, I will note that you were a member and are now no longer eligible to continue your membership while an arbitrator (but hope you come back after your term is completed).

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To clarify, I gave support for some of Tony Sidaway's comments. Regarding the case as a whole, I haven't been involved in the on-going shenanigans, though I note that this is a battle between activists on both sides.

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You've been stating that Alberuni is banned for 12 months, based on the ArbCom ruling. However, isn't he banned for 13 months, 1 month for 3RR violations, and a further 12 months for "numerous personal attacks"?

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in this case as per Jwrosenzweig's comment that the mediation committee is not ready to accept cases (which was the reason the original request was rejected - mediation was to be attempted). --

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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Grunt, you know I wasn't doing this out of bad-faith. I wasn't aware I wasn't allowed to do this. Only, how else do I discuss this issue with all other admins except message them all? -

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Grunt, being mentioned in a list on a talk page doesn't make anyone a disputant. Similarly, being named in a list of people who support or oppose specific content (the list appears on

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Hi Grunt -- I don't know if I'm even supposed to address you here as long as the case is under consideration. But I would like to draw your attention to the belatedly added evidence

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Hi Grunt -- I don't know if I'm even supposed to address you here as long as the case is under consideration. But I would like to draw your attention to the belatedly added evidence

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With respect, please keep accusations such as these off of my talk page unless they're directed at me. If you're looking to complain to someone about an arbcom violation, try the

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Do you believe a high school student is capable of making decisions of the kind expected of you? Do you believe a high school student is able to maintain the confidence of others?

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I invited Jayjg to lead evidence in the arbcom case because he was one of the individuals bringing up the case or at least indicating support for the position listed thereof. --

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on which you were listed. The other disputants in this case may or may not file further evidence against you; if they do not, you can probably safely stay away from the case. --

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Hi, do you still need the translation for that Wikimania 2005 banner to Spanish? I can do it for you. I have Photoshop, but I can just give you the text if you prefer that. --

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I did not revert the changes; I was simply making use of the "page move" feature to ensure that the history of the page was kept in the rightful location. You may want to

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will be promptly filed against any and all assets you own. Only a donation to Knowledge will be accepted in lieu of tax payment. Thank you for your consideration. -

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Eitherway, I unprotected all my other protections except your user page because it was the real hot spot and you are able to unprotect if you want. Thanks :)

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Congratulations. I'm glad you made it. I want to wish you and your loved ones a Happy Holiday and may this New Year bring you happiness and lots of joy.

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none at all) with respect to how long of a term you will serve. The others having made their selections, you have been given a two-year term to conclude on

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about making a new AMA Coordinator election. Please, cast your vote there (though it's not mandatory). Any comments you have about this, write it on the

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Check out his posts and you will see that not only is he anti-american, he is very pro-Islam and uses an iron fist on anyone slightly critical on Islam.

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section. Since there is so much lacking information in this section iv have mostly been there instead of my other (farely complete) intrest area,

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Hey dude, we have had an interesting night/day. Basically IRC came under attack by someone using "Grunt" as a nick (most memorable line-: -->

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While you were right to delete it, what it says in your explination of its content is true: there are very few people working on wikipedia's

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Please note that the block occurred just after I had discovered a new RfAr against myself, and was starting to provide rebuttals to it.

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Yes, based on how the AMA is set up, I've taken the liberty of removing you from the list, so feel free to ignore this discussion. --

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and I are engaged in an edit war. He has also contributed to a request for arbitration (and RfC) against me. He has just blocked me.

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all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the

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Can you provide me with the when and where as I have no recall that he ever did. Are there any others whom you invited? Thanks. -

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Grunt has a negative effect on Knowledge and those who seek to have a positive effect on Knowledge attack him as he opposes them.

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Grunt has a positive effect on Knowledge and those who seek to have a negative effect on Knowledge attack him as he opposes them.

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Robert probably means me, Grunt. I objected to the original RfC, and possibly the RfA, though my memory isn't clear on that. -

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nation of people is unacceptable in today's age. It has taken humanity thousands of years to get here. Let's keep it that way,

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If you have been vandalized 173 times, shouldn't that tell you something about your status among the wikipedia populace? --

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My understanding is that now you are an Arbitrator, you should stand down from the AMA (see "Rules of the Association")

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presumably, is not the impression you wish to give). Believing that the comment is defensible only makes it worse.

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Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at

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himself, if you must) to demonstrate the level of trust that is generally noted of me within the community.

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Yeah, except "subst" doesn't work with parameters, unless they've fixed that bug without telling me... --

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Your name does appear on the old RfAr, but only to mention that a mediation attempt was in progress. --

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To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "

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He certainly has my confidence, although that probably doesn't mean a whole lot to a lot of people.

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Which of the two is the case is a hornet's nest that I don't intend to touch with a ten foot pole. --

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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under

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those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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P.s. I wish i had been one year older so i could vote liberal in this american election, too

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I agree to ] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

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Oh, I guess I missed the subst: there as was intended; thanks for pointing that out :) --

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Did the presence of outside websites about you and Ron Melenchuk influence your decision?

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license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Knowledge's license, the

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I agree to ] all my contributions to any ], county, or city article as described below:

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Could you look into this action, and consider whether un-blocking me is appropriate?

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It's Cyrillic character 0x488, which in the font I use is a circle of dots. --

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Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "

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The Arbcom is limited to a maximum one year ban relating to any one case. --

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I note your chronic abuse of power in organizing an injunction against me.

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Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing

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is prohibited from editing Christianity-related articles for 1 year (

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In what circumstances do you believe you ought to resign from ArbCom?

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Yes indeed, congratulations! I know you'll do well. I have filed a

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I hope this answers the questions you have posed to me here. --

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1) Yes, although not in my tenure as arbitrator. I refer you to

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Thanks for clearing that up. For the record, I don't think you

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I refer you to my Arbitration request that relates to you.

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