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I do agree that it's unfortunate that Slim didn't submit evidence until just before the case closed, though I can understand her reasons. But consider that she knew ArbCom had the diff that showed the "evidence" that I was Crum" (my revert of vandalism/trolling from his page!!), that ArbCom had the logs showing that Lar checked Crum 38 minutes after finding out that I was
Wikitumnus, why should she be criticized for not submitting that? Consider also that her statements that Lar was making up the counselling relationship and prior involvement were based on what I had told her. She could of course have submitted emails from me to her as evidence, where I told her that I had never had never addressed or sent messages to Lar's wife (nor she to me), but she knew that I had made those statements to ArbCom myself, and that I had submitted to ArbCom the relevant emails between Lar and me. So what would be the point? It would have come across as petty and sarcastic if she had submitted to ArbCom copies of what they had received from me, as evidence that I don't know Lar's wife. They knew she knew I had myself said that to them.
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Wikitumnus had removed a sock notice from Crum375's page while attempting to make it look like routine vandalism patrol, but in a way that could only have done by an involved user; this was one of a few issues with the account. Disregarding anything else, Crum375 had also just been blocked for behavior in an arbitration case quite peculiar for an administrator. A number of controversies have existed around this which could have justified a CU in looking into it. I'm personally reluctant to discuss all of it because I don't think anyone knows where a full public discussion would go, but as I said I do know that if you considered that you needed Lar's evidence in order to present your own, then that suggests the evidence in your possession did not in your view support an arbitration case. And I believe that supports, and indeed calls for ArbCom's findings insofar as they were offered.
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of this without explaining why the point is relevant. The only point I see is this: if you knew that Lar had previously discussed your situation with his wife and you had not objected to it ("Your wife is right...") then this would explain the background for why Lar would have said something to his wife. The most important point I can see coming from this is a lack of any bad faith on his part. Whether or not you were close friends, on the other hand, is as far as I am aware simply not relevant, and may even have been an aggravating factor if true. Honestly I can see how you would have been offended if you thought that he mischaracterized something, but it continues to baffle me that you make so much of this as if it would be any basis for an arbitration case or anything similar.
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as such (probably because it had been uploaded before such tags existed), the description should have been there or the rationale should have been completely obvious. If you weren't going to take the time to examine whether it should stay or not, you could have at least made the effort to contact people involved with the page or who uploaded the file. Not doing so is a complete waste of time for everyone involved. If the image can be undeleted, please do so, and please revert your removal of the image from the article. If that is not possible, maybe you'd like to go back to Amazon, find the full size image, download it, and reupload it with the correct tag and put it back in the article. It only seems fair that you take your time to undo what you did improperly.
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a wikipedia expert. I've navigated the labyrinth of licensing tag information on wikipedia and inasmuch as it made any sense to me I've tried to choose the right tags that reflect this situation (where the subject herself has taken a picture of herself and provided that for free for anyone to use). I dont know if I got the tags right, but that is the situation. If I didnt get the tags right, please help me get the tags right, rather than removing the pic altogether via 'speedy deletion'. I have to say its a bit frustrating to have to continuously fix this page for the picture or to navigate the labyrinth of legal mumbo jumbo just to put a free picture up on a free page... Â ;) Anyhow if the situation is wrong now, please help me get get it right. thanks.
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I walked away from the tools when I erred; it's not a big deal. SlimVirgin will get hers back soon enough and my best wishes go out to her for success. Here's what's worrisome, though. When this thread got started it was as if SV reformulated my question into something I hadn't asked--something perhaps more comfortable to address--and went on at length without supplying any of the requested information. That's the behavior pattern of people who prioritize justification over reflection and improvement. And such people, no matter how intelligent and sincere and usually right they are, also usually encounter a lot of frustration. If I've missed something please set me straight. And thank you again for your long and thoughtful answer.
2924:. Nor does there appear to be any synonymous phrase. The findings that mention her specify shortcomings in her manner of raising the complaint, but remain silent on the merits (or lack thereof) of the complaint itself. You are in a far better position than I am to understand how much merit was there. Yet the way she raised the matter really doesn't appear to have furthered her best interests or yours: the public mailing list she chose was unequipped to resolve those sensitive issues and when another venue opened she was unprepared to back up the assertions. Or at least, much more tardy than customary. That is what, to my eye, the decision appears to be saying. Have I misread?
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people!), Slim made what I'll call a snide remark on the noticeboard. No time to look for diffs now. She basically told him to back off, and said she had had enough of his illicit use of checkuser and his wild spinning when caught. There was no reference whatsoever to me. Even so, I don't think I'd have made that remark, but I've been trolled much less than Slim, so I may have higher endurance levels before I tell someone to get stuffed! :-) What she said could easily have been just ignored, but another CU, privy to the discussion on the list, turned up to scold her, and then another, and more little bits slipped out, though not from Slim. Then David Katz
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that Lar had told his wife. (Again, he had got that from me - no leaking of confidential discussion on his part.) Lar turned up and told a whole pile of tall stories about his wife's role in offering me "advice and counsel" (despite the fact that we've never encountered each other or sent each other message), and about her "prior involvement" in the case, based on statements I had supposedly previously made to both of them. I saw it and gasped, but stayed out of it. Maybe I should have come forward then. But I didn't, and Slim got more abuse, and finally the RfAr was filed.
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Anyway it doesn't explain why Lar's wife should be privy to CU results, which should be confidential i.e. not shared with anyone who's not specifically mentioned as allowed to know in policy. Arbcom discussed this on the findings or proposed decision page, that the policy had been breached, I don't think any of them denied it had at least been 'technically' breached but didn't mention it directly in the final writeup, as someone said they'd come up with a different wording they could consider, but they didn't get around to it or vote much on it.
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less than polite, when he said that people who admit posting on WR should be treated like the pieces of shit they are. You then say that SV commented with more truthfulness than sweetness, when she made disparaging and unsupported comments about editor after editor that you are not possibly in a position to evaluate. Setting aside SV's actions, I must wonder how you feel justified in making these kinds of comments, and if you have considered whether you should take more care as you so sharply criticize others.
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case. I could look it up, but that is the basis for my comments above. As far as the claims that you made, I know some are false because they are about me, others because I was involved, or based on information that has now been shared. I wouldn't criticize you for that alone, but I can criticize you for making accusations even as you clearly knew that you did not have enough evidence to support them. I believe this is a point that Sam
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with dozens, or even hundreds, of others. I deleted it on 5 October, when I was working my way through images waiting to be deleted. I'm rather busy at the moment, so I can't help you much, but if you want to upload it again, or if you'd like me to undelete it, just say so. But in that case, you'll need to put the correct tag (probably
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affect the way he approached the situation, and I can see why he would have said as much. I don't know what he should have said, or whether it violated the privacy policy (I recall some questions on the point), but basically I trust the committee to evaluate that because 1.) if there was a breach it
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I apologize if this is not the point raised by Durova, but I would like to clarify that to say Lar invented a relationship between you (ElinorD) and his wife is just not correct, if you acknowledge that you and he had indeed discussed her views about your situation. You've also continued to make hay
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Wikipedians who take decisive action in tough situations. Very few of the editors who do are spot-on about communication every time. I haven't always been and neither has FT2.
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Now here's an odd thing: if any one member of the
Arbitration Committee is most equipped to see through Poetlister's shenanigans and their effect, that would be FT2. Ousting Poetlister & Co. this year was in large measure his doing. I'm no apologist for him or the Committee. You can see at the
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That is what I've heard happens- people submit evidence but then they're asked 'where is the evidence'? so they assume people don't think they evidence they are giving is enough, and stuff like that. Anyway Elinor I think you're flogging a dead horse- people aren't adressing the counselling bit which
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flimsy evidence, that he checked Crum on the pretext of being
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brought it up on the enwiki mailing list, saying that someone must have leaked logs to Slim and suggesting that she be indefinitely blocked until she said how she got the information. (She got it from me.) Slim replied on the list, defending herself. People attacked her and sneered at her. Jayjg said
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That's fair, yes, although I could speculate on similar wordings that could have been slightly more reasonable. Nevertheless, I think it is a misunderstanding, primarily because I think it is only reasonable to believe that the previous communication through Lar, or passing of words or whatever one
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I would also compare: the other day you said that in the Mantanmoreland case I tried to get SlimVirgin sanctioned. This is categorically untrue, and cannot be drawn from anything I said in the case; it is however a direct copy of a claim made by SV. In your above statement you say Tony Sidaway was
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Excuse me; this thread seeks to cover specific pertinent questions that have not been addressed directly in other venues. The general narrative is not in need of reiteration. I would like an answer to the query I actually posted. Mackan79 and SV, if neither of you wish to answer it could you move
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If so, I'm forced to rely on the arbitration committee to evaluate it. However, some of the claims were incorrect, particularly about me, but also that Lar had no basis whatsoever for checking Wikitumnus. I posted my basis for inquiring on the mailing list, which showed in the absence of something
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Of course there is an alternate view of these events, generally that despite lacking support for their suspicions and an inability to obtain such support, SV nevertheless went public with inflammatory accusations as if they did, including numerous highly inaccurate claims. I have just posted a list
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hi Elinor, Susham bedi is an author, she has a wikipedia page. The picture of her on that page was provided by the author (susham bedi) herself to be used freely by anyone. That is the image I uploaded to her wikipedia page. That picture has been deleted numerous times and I dont know why. I'm not
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an hour later. The bot also left a note on your talk page, telling you where to look for information about appropriate copyright tags, and where to ask for help if you were stuck, but you seem not to have been on Knowledge since then, so you missed the message until it was too late. Images that have
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Hey, the deletion log for this file says you deleted this file. Can you please make an effort to not just delete things willy nilly, here, as there was no valid reason to remove this file. It was the cover of a book, used in an article about that book, for clear Fair Use reasons. If it wasn't tagged
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So she didn't "choose" the public mailing list. She was criticized and attacked there after someone else brought it to that forum, and she defended herself with more truthfulness than sweetness. As for being unprepared to back up the assertions - she had already made it clear what the issues were -
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Hi Elinor, I did a short article on Leeds International School back in October and checked it just now to find you (I think) had removed the picture that goes with it. It's no big deal, but I was just wondering why you did it? Is it a standard policy to remove pictures from rarely visited pages?
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is a sock of another editor. I don't usually comment to someone as reprehensible as Ferrylodge, but given the sock, and the false accusation of another highly respected admin as a sock, it deserved a comment. You should have given me more good faith on this point, and quite possibly asked me what
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Yet to read over the events of the last few days I keep getting stuck at one point. Suppose for the sake of discussion that her unblock was exactly correct. And suppose everything she posted at the clarification request was correct reasoning and true. What's left is this: when she unblocked she
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Thank you very much for that reply, Elinor. It does make more sense in the context of someone else raising the issue on the mailing list first. That mailing list rarely merits serious attention. When drama threads were running fast and thick about me over there a year ago I simply left the list
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Lar passed on his wife's views on the situation to Elnor that is not the same as saying his wife 'counselled' her, as Elinor had no direct conversation with her. If she did not do so, to say Mrs.Lar 'counselled' her was to give an impression whch could be misleading (intentionally or not) IMHO.
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I've seen your responses, in which I recall you saying that they eventually gave you more time, and at that point when prepared you again asked to see Lar's evidence so that you could write a response. I recall you saying that you were denied this request, and accordingly that you gave up on the
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In all of this I think it may be pointed out that many of us have beliefs that perhaps we do not have enough evidence to publicly announce. Should everyone go ahead? I believe the consensus is no. If they went ahead without even acknowledging what was known and what was conjecture, then surely
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I actually missed your post, until Giano linked it to me. I'd like to respond to what you said here. Yes, some people were making a fuss about FT2 not knowing whether or not he should recuse. For the record, I agree with such a fuss. I would have given him an earful if he hadn't recused. But some
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Regarding the forum she chose, Slim went through the proper channels, but despite her best efforts, no progress was made. Then, in a moment of frustration, when Lar turned up to endorse a block against Tony Sidaway, who had been defending her (though not in a manner full of politeness towards WR
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SV then continued to say that she was not given enough information to make a case, despite the accusations she continued to make. She then complained that she was not given enough time to present a case, but was given such time, and still did not provide evidence until a decision was proposed.
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As I look back on the situation, I think that what happened was that the user's talk page that was notified about the copyright problems was an inactive user, and posting a message to the article's talk page in addition to that user's talk page would have prevented the whole situation. But alas,
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I can't argue about this here, but I can assure you that I do have evidence for everything I've said, and that's why we all waived our privacy so that we could explain it all in public. But to no avail. Please don't criticize the parties who wanted transparency; if you have to criticize anyone,
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article. I haven't been able to find any history of the file being questioned nor any inquiry on my talk page asking about the status of the file. If I forgot to note the ownership of the file, OK, I can do that as I did with all my other images - but there was no warning given that I can find.
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to pursue it because they're only allowed to examine privacy policy violations; and that, although we could technically go to ArbCom, they were the same people who were saying, wearing their other hats, that they didn't care about it, so there was little point. When someone else did take it to
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You seem very up on this. I wonder what the deal is with images on Wp. It's so frustrating. For the sake an ideological stance on fair use, literally of masses of stuff has not photo. This is absurd. It seems Jimbo's idea, that we need to change the game and get images on free use, has totally
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Regarding trolling levels, that's an area where you could say I'm not unfamiliar. I was one of the reasons Poetlister got banned from en:wiki in spring 2007 and afterward he went on pretty much the same vendetta against me that he did against SV. There have been other unrelated harassments
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These issues are rather thick and sensitive, but recently you've been asking people to discuss them. So before forming an opinion may I raise a few questions and concerns? Posting here so as not to divert any other thread. Foremost, your very difficult position has my utmost respect.
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I considered not spamming talk pages but not saying "thanks" just isn't me. The support was remarkable and appreciated. I only hope that I am able to help a little on here. Please let me know if I can help you or equally if you find any of my actions questionable. Thanks & regards
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Durova, sorry for ignoring you. I've been busy today, and will probably be offline for at least a day. I endorse Slim's version. Yes, we both tried. We did raise the matter privately. The RfAr case may not have the word "unwarranted", but it repeatedly named Slim, using active voice,
1530:- I notice that no warning was left on the page - with the first warning people who were watching the page got of any problems was the photo actually being deleted. Please consider giving the editors of articles a chance to fix problems in future rather than just drive by deletion.
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Heya Elinor! Just stumbled upon your page and saw that you have a penchant for making fresh bread. Nomnomnom.... I've been in a bit of a baking mood as of late and was wondering if you had any recipes to share? So far I'm up to banana bread in fanciness level ;) All the best,
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a formal approach apparently mattered not. The upshot was that my failure to trigger dispute resolution also meant that I hadn't tried to. I was therefore told off in the ArbCom's final decision. When I tried to post a defence of myself, it was deleted and the page was
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I just saw a message that said that my IP address was flagged as the source of unhelpful comments/vandalism on the Stanford Prison Experiment page - for what it's worth, it wasn't me (I understand that there might not be any way to verify this from your perspective).
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and went back to editing. It's a remarkably effective response. Twice since then people have given the heads up about new nonsense and it was easy to nip in the bud. To toss a salad of metaphors: just call a spade a spade and don't return a foul ball.
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Yes, you are correct. I see they closed the page immediatly after you posted, and are now prepearing to excute the sentence. How bizarre it all is; I have a very grave feeling about it. I hope they know what they are doing. I rather suspect they do not.
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What you write is not correct. Given that the correspondence was private, and that you had no access to it, how do you purport to know who was given enough time or not, who was given enough information or not, which claims were accurate and which not?
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I've seen you edit some of the copyright tag articles. Do you know what the tag for a public-domain UK/GB image is? This one is labelled US PD, but is inappropriate (both the author and jurisdiction would be UK). Please reply on my talk page. Thanks,
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Matthew Hoffman clarification request how sharply FT2 and I disagree sometimes. You can check the top thread of my user talk for a chat with another arbitrator which is--well--not warm and fuzzy. I'm the editor who took the RFC on ArbCom live.
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Hello, I couldn't find a statement anywhere that it had been provided for public usage so removed the tagging. I had believed the uploader of the image just did not know how to tag the image so I tried to help. Sorry about the confusion.
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Bishapod go splat, little 'shonen locked in cellar, but STILL happiest day of Zilla life! (see Zilla page for details, don't tell gullible stewards!) Already done block! Considering standing for bureaucrat, little El support (HINT HINT)?
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Durova, it's hard to explain what happened, in part because there are certain things we're apparently not allowed to say (and if we try to, the posts are deleted), and in part because the experience was somewhat
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which has been going for 7 days and has already run once and was overturned at deletion review/ I think ones like that leave those involved in a misery of tenterhooks;) Hope you can help, or know someone who
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is either true or untrue, isn't it, it can't be a misunderstanding if E hadn't had anything to do with Lar's wife at all. So it's another instance where people seem to be turning a blind eye to something.
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Thanks for that interesting info. I remember searching unsuccessfully for that quotation in Kipling. I came across it in an Agatha Christie book, where one of the characters attributes it to Kipling.
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quite rude. However, let me assume some good faith that you did not give me, and explain why I did what I did. I know for a fact that the anonymous editor who posted
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quick to make unwarranted accusations, and yet again reminded to use proper process.
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after you warned him. Just letting you know if you want to take action. Thanks.
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