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difference exactly who one does legally work for when it comes to these legal issues; e.g. as an MIT employee, I received a share of royalty income from patents filed by MIT on things that were created in the course of doing government-funded research. Such would not have been the case for government
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That's a diffent point from the employment issue, though: legally (i.e. not in colloquial or informal terms) Jon, Peter and I all worked for private organizations (in various countries) which had a contractual relationship with the US government. I.e. we were all no more "government employees" than
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I am reasonably aware of US Govt procurement regulations (although not in detail, and also you're probably looking at the current regs, not the circa-'82 regs which would apply), which is why I said on the image page that it was 'probably publicly available' (or words to that effect). (Also, note
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to be in the public domain. Hence your modification to the copyright tag was completely inappropriate. (And anyway, you shouldn't be changing the copyright status tag on an image someone else uploaded, an image you don't have a clue about the copyright status of.) Please stop meddling with things
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Accepting a DOD grant ties you to legal obligations to the DOD to provide them with research, such as a requirment to disclose any patentable invention created during the research, and a requirment to grant licence to any research product, and disclosure of patentable items as with any employed
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Tell you what, why don't you back off editing it until you've read all the major histories, and also studied the history of networking, and don't keep making all sorts of beginner's mistakes (like thinking the '82 map shows the MILNET - which didn't even
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