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To make the point again, the choice of a title also entails a recommendation for using the template under that title: at the very least the template's documentation should reflect the title (we should avoid using one name in the title and a different name when giving usage examples in the
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is a terrible idea (just a way for template editors to avoid wider oversight so they can come up with even more obscure template names), and if this is ever a proposed for a wider audience I'll be sure to oppose.
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Well, it doesn't seem to be that widely used. If no one can come up with a reason for it this week, I'll just go ahead and change all those templates to HTML.
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Is there a template, or other good way, to put both subscript and superscript on something (before or after), with one right over the other?
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Template function should be clear from the template name, but redirects can be created to assist everyday use of very popular templates.
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