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The choice of a template title works to set a recommendation, a preference for how that template should be used (otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it, would we?) Titles should be transparent and maximally explicit, except for inline formatting templates that are typically used several times in any
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To make the point again, the choice of a title also entails a recommendation for using the template under that title: at the very least the template's documentation should reflect the title (we should avoid using one name in the title and a different name when giving usage examples in the
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Well, it doesn't seem to be that widely used. If no one can come up with a reason for it this week, I'll just go ahead and change all those templates to HTML.
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Is there a template, or other good way, to put both subscript and superscript on something (before or after), with one right over the other?
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Template function should be clear from the template name, but redirects can be created to assist everyday use of very popular templates.
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