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pro-puntland militant group that has controlled parts of the cayn region for sometime. Occasionally the
Somalilanders will campaign in the area to try and suppress and retake the region, but shortly after the elections in somaliland most of the land in cayn reverted back to SSC control. SSC definately has some level of control over Buuhoodle and the surrounding area, but in comparison eastern sool province is really a no-mans land where puntlander, somalilander, ssc militants and clan factions fight with each other almost constantly. Any claimed control is usually fleeting and extremly week. Many of the so called
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Well, the organization is run by a bunch of militant clerics with their own army, if that isn't an "Islamist administration" I don't know what is. If the fact that they're on the TFG's side makes them something other than
Islamist, what the hell does Islamist even mean? Mind you it's a nebulous and
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such as Azania and Ximan have little control outside of their capitals or headquarters and are largely just warlord domains controlled by a single strong man's milita. A good example of how loose governance is is simply by looking at the level of pirate activity in each "state", only in somaliland
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Have you looked at the
Northland article? Have you looked at the War in Somalia 2009- article? You challenge the content of these articles - I only said what's shown there. About the SCC territory and affiliation you can ask Ingoman for example. Where's your source that SCC/NSUM goal is Northland?
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Not to ask permission from these specific editors - you have to get consensus for your changes. You haven't even initiated a discussion about them. I gave you one reason why mentioning these cities is useful. If you have issue with the language - change it. And I also explained to you that ASWJ is
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Night w, if you want to delete content that was there for so long you have to initiate a discussion about your change. Stop being disruptive, your changes will be reverted. The same applies to the "states and regions" link that you apply to islamist administrations. I gave you possible reasons why
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cities are mentioned in brackets for the islamist administartions. I don't know who added these and why. One possible reason is to show the originating cities of these islamist administrations. Maybe there are other reasons - you can ask the editors who added these capitals if you want. Anyway, I
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Northland state movement are not related, but the fact is that SCC control over any area other than Buuhoodle and its suburbs is extremely tenuous and questionable. Even their control over Buuhoodle is somewhat murkey, there are sources that state that Somaliland retook
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Well then given the fact that the situation is largely fluid, I'd suggest dividing the section into 2 groups: "Major administrations" and "Former administrations". Proposals and religion aren't important and by using the clarifyer "Major" we can safely avoid worrying about minor fiefdoms and
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Somaliland fairly closely. Northland state never really existed except on paper, a particular clan proposed that they form there own federative state but they never really got hold of any firmly controlled territory. SSC is a somewhat
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I don't need to look at the articles. Unlike you, I don't get my facts from
Knowledge. Unlike you, I don't rely on other Knowledge editors for sources and verification. If Northland is not their goal, then it should be moved to "former administrations", since it's certainly not in effect.
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It is clear that
Somalia government officially defines 6 states in Somalia and that name of one new state is Hir-Shabelle. It is also clear that Awdalland and Khatumo are officially not recognized, aside the fact Awdalland even do not exist - it is just political proposal.
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Somalia's Sufi heritage, specifically the graves of Sufi saints. Now that they have signed a power-sharing deal with the TFG, I suppose they are
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and shabab controlled areas is piracy low and that correlates with the high level of governance they have. Weaker polities such as
Galmudug and Puntland have rampant piracy issues and likewise poor governance of their territory.
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is a former administration, presently on this territory there are al-Shahab (Islamic
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Why would we randomly list capitals in a navigation box? Why would we randomly list capitals (in Somali no less, not in English) for Islamist groups but not for other administrations? Can you explain the reasoning behind your
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It controls sizable territory and is related neither to Puntland nor to the already defunct idea of Northland. Not everybody who is against Somaliland is part of Puntland. So, my proposal for where to mention SCC remains.
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The "SCC movement" (NSU) doesn't control anything; they're a rebel organisation based in Puntland and operating in Somaliland-controlled territory. Their goal is already listed under "proposed states" in the form of
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control over eastern Somaliland regions isn't mentioned neither in "administrations" (not islamist) nor in "states". Given the above discussion, the link I gave and the wikipedia articles - SCC is not related to
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in western part near the Kenya border (operating from Dhobley border town/village). Where else do you suggest to mention the Dhobley operation/Kenya-supported Azania state? (see section above).
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It's an insurgent group based out of Puntland and Nairobi and it's led by northern American warlords from Columbus and Toronto. Their goal is Northland State. You've yet to disprove that.
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Why would we randomly list capitals in a navigation box? Why would we randomly list capitals (in Somali no less, not in English) for Islamist groups but not for other administrations?
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Night w, in the link I gave the changes are obvious. You complained about who is a state, that's why I discuss this. If you find other things in this edit to be wrong - please say so.
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