1216:. Just added some sources to it from this paragraph). For example the book Analytic and computer cartography by Clark, and Computer-Assisted Cartography by Monmonier. As time progressed, Computer Cartography as a concept blended into GIS in terms of how we approach it, even thought the two are separate concepts (you can do computer cartography in Adobe Photoshop or MS Paint, that does not make them GIS). Likewise, web mapping is a concept that involves creating and using maps on the web. Per the definition on this page "Web mapping or an online mapping is the process of using the maps delivered by geographic information systems (GIS) on the Internet, more specifically in the World Wide Web (WWW). A web map or an online map is both served and consumed, thus web mapping is more than just web cartography, it is a service by which consumers may choose what the map will show." This does highlight the interactive component and is different from conventional mapping.
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The 2003 book "Internet GIS" by Zhong-Ren and Meng-Hsiang states "During the writing of this book, we have been pondering its title. Several names have been considered including "Distributed GIS," "Internet GIS and Mobile GIS," "Web GIS," "Network-Based GIServices," and so on." Their justification
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a term widely used in the industry. To be honest, I still strongly disagree moving the web mapping page to Web GIS. You yourself indicates both are different things. What about the potential path forward: (A) create the WebGIS page, and let's see how it evolves, and (B) later consider merging or
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1751:! This article needs a lot of work in my opinion and I welcome assistance. If you need citations, there are links above to some of the other GIS based pages. In December 2022, I laid out some of my ideas for how this page could fit in with the others relevant pages on Knowledge(
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