Talk:Selena/Archive 1

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because to support the "Mexican Madonna" Selena wore "sexy" outfits and would dance and sing much like Madonna, that's your support and that's your reason. Another sub that should be on the article is "Music Styles" because even though Selena is the "Queen of Tejano Music" she ventured out of that genre and was heading for an English crossover that would had given her the now "Beyonce" and "Britney Spears". Selena also began her career in English pop and Rock N' Roll then she entered the world of Polka and Spanish. Selena in the early 90's began singing Latin Freestyle songs such as "My Love" and "Enamorada De Ti" are perfect examples but shortly after the rise of those singles she stopped, and again I gave my support and reasons with examples. Another sub that should be added in this article is "Products and endorsements" because Selena in the beginning was given the opportunity to sing live in the Johnny Canales Show in 1985. In 1989, Selena was singed to endorse Coca-Cola. In 1992, Selena was a spokeswoman for battered woman, she helped out with the homeless, gave free concerts, and she won an award for the "Toys for Tots" program. In 1994, Selena was helping out for the AIDS/HIV funds and she was already helping out in charities. Selena had five sets of perfume, Nail polishes, a clothing line, two boutiques, fashion shows, and she had dolls of her self. Again I gave my reasons and support that I gave examples. So I will be re-creating and adding MORE information to this article

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what they are talking about. Entire populations have been misled, deceived, or even bought off or threatened, and sometimes individuals need to make calls on their own (that's what we HAVE functions like Move for, so not everything is swamped by bureaucracy) If it is an issue to anyone ELSE in this talk room, it will be set up. Otherwise, we already know the answer to the consensus: an idea that few people care strong about will get categorically rejected. Another reason I loathe consensus, the things I actually do get fired up about, nobody else ever seems to care about. So I'll open the floor. Because I don't get most of the WP processes, if anyone else wants this, let them run through due process to start the consensus and respond below me.

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this sentence was placed at the end of a paragraph describing what she'd done in 1986, two years later. The part on Johnny could be moved up earlier in the article, of course, but I'm not sure I see his significence. Rick Trevi isn't named at all in the source cited, so I can't figure out where that belongs in the article. They should probably be mentioned

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current image. The file is Image:Selena statue closeup.jpg -- I remember reading something about statues on public display being OK to use, but I can't find it now, so it may end up having to come off Commons if they determine it's not acceptable for their purposes. Nonetheless, it would qualify to be used in this one article under

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different reference is needed. If it means that this is the movie in which Lopez was first payed the salary of a big-time star, this reference will work, but either way, the statement in the article needs to be rephrased for clarity. (And based on the context in the article, the first meaning would make more sense.)

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Inheritance, and from films too), and actually prevents new articles from forming. At the very least, reverse the redirect since it's backwards. It makes more sense to "oh, I dunno her name so I type in Selena" and get redirected to one of the more common choices than to type in the exact name and get redirected.

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HELLO! THIS IS A WARNING TO WHOEVER IS DELETING MY WORKS ON THIS PAGE. IF THIS HAPPEN AGAIN (SHINEBOT) THEN I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO GIVE A COMPLAINT TO WIKI. AGAIN I WILL RE-CREATE THIS PAGE AS I WANT IT TO BE NOT AS YOU WANT IT TO BE OK. SELENA WILL BE NEW SELENA WILL HAVE WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN

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The entire reason I have done the "copy-and-paste" as you put it instead of simply rename by moving is due to that I never used it, and therefore didn't notice. And I do not believe in consensus anyway, although you are welcome to try. Consensus is a fallacy that the masses rather than the few know

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for re-creation because there aren't any reasons or support on why Selena is known as the Mexican Madonna? Please people I am a huge fan of Selena and please give reasons and support your answers. Selena accomplished more in her 15 years of music. There should also be a "stage" part in this article

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What didn't you think? That anyone would change the name of the article? Of course they wouldn't ... if someone looks up "Selena" as a standalone word, this article is probably what they are looking for, and it has a link to the other uses at the top. No one is going to come here looking for Sailor

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I finally found a solid reference to back up that her father was born in Corpus Christi, Texas, and added it. However, someone needs to go back in and make the citation format of my reference consistent with the other references; I don't want to mess up a featured article! For now, I added a "fact"

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I'll say so it sinks in. Make it Selena something. Selena is actually and AKA for Selene the moon goddess which is the original use of the word. Selena is also what Sailor Moon's name should be. There should be a disambiguation page for this not a "well she must be the ONLY person with the name

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The confusion may come as well from attempts to preserve or acknowledge the Hispanic double-surname tradition. If the article is correct that her mother's maiden name was Perez, then she would be Selena Quintanilla Perez from birth under that tradition, even though in her case the actual history of

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the article says "The singer drove Saldívar to a local hospital where doctors found no evidence of rape." This suggests that doctors looked for evidence of rape and found none. The citation indicates that no vaginal examination was conducted. Suggest the wording should be "The singer drove Saldívar

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the article claims Selena to be "one of the most or perhaps the most successful Latin female singer ever". the metrics given for that are awards, billboard positions and album sales. By all those metrics, she's not even close to those of Shakira (and probably a few others as well). I'll modify the

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First of all, this is the most IGNORANT post I have ever seen. She is considered MEXICAN-AMERICAN. The people know her as this, and including the media. It's like you don't want her to be known as Mexican? She is Mexican before American, you need to stop trying to make her seem as just "American".

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Consideration of the structure. Right now there are a lot of short paragraphs, roughly chronological (although I think there are some issues with the chronology as it stands), not very well tied together. This needs to be organized more thematically, and the repetitious paragraphs describing one

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I disagree, though perhaps I should have specified "Hispanic-American", as opposed to "Hispanic", which is too general. Selena is unarguably an icon with the Latino community. According to Nielsen Soundscan, she is one of the top five selling Latino artists of all time. Can anyone possibly discuss

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Bulmabriefs144, You sound like a paranoid idiot. You don't believe in Consensus. Your probably one of those idiots that thinks 9/11/01 was a inside job. I'm sorry but when people type in Selena they are looking for Selena the singer,not for some obscure person named Selena who was in a unheard of

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I don't care if it's a featured page, make that a featured page. The way it's linked blocks out a disambiguation page and a couple dozen other things. It's awkward, unnecessary, and rather forced to decide that this is the only Selena in existence (there is also a Selena from 28 days later, from

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In the opening of the Selena article in the second paragraph, there is a sentence that isn't making any sense to me: "On April 12, 1995, two weeks after her death, , declared her birthday "Selena Day" in Texas." In the square brackets "...George W. Bush, then the governor of Texas...", I think it

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I have a picture I took last November that shows the statue in more detail, but the current photo has the advantage of showing it in context of the overall memorial. I don't want to have an orphaned photo, so I'll put it up on Commons instead of here and others can decide if it should replace the

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Selena is just as American as anyone else born and raised in the United States. Calling her Mexican-American is ridiculous, as she is not from Mexico. I notice no white Americans ever have to be hyphenated in Knowledge, so why does Selena? Let's move on from the hyphenations, as all it does it

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The problem here is that this was just sort of dangling at the end of a paragraph, without making it clear when these people discovered her or how it was important. Well, it does mention when Johnny first interviewed her, but that doesn't help; it says he interviewed her when she was twelve, but

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her using that name does date only to her marriage to Chris Perez. Many Southern women, in particular, convert their maiden name into a middle name upon marriage (I know I did), and of course, this is one common practice for celebrity women who marry after becoming famous under a previous surname.

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First, this doesn't say anything about Selena's fans supporting the movie; a reference for that would be in order. Second, "elevated her career" is an odd phrase, and I can't figure out quite what it means. If its supposed to mean that this was the movie that propelled her into the big-time, a

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The dablink currently reads "For the movie, see Selena (film). If you were looking for "Selina", see Catwoman." Do people actually come here looking for the Batman character? My second guess for the use of Selena would have been a version of the name of the moon, not a fictional character, if an

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According to sil her grandfather (Marcella's father) changed the spelling from Zamora to Samora. So certainly when Selena was born it was Samora. Marcella's birth certificate may have said Zamora thus the discrepancy in the records. I'm not certain of the relevancy of showing her name in the

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The Thompson/Gale article (currently footnote 6) appears rather heavily used, down to the puzzling assertion in both places that Selena's "Dreaming of You" debuted at No. 1, but was the second highest debut after Jackson's "HIStory." How can a No. 1 debut be "second" highest? And was "HIStory"

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Her father is Mexican-American (don't know where this bit claiming he was born in Mexico comes from). I have never heard of her mother being Panamanian before someone put it into the article this week; I've looked online but been unable to confirm where her mother was born. I'll keep looking.

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and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much.

1416:. However I'm hesitant to change it as the source (Texas birth records, which I can't access) would seem to be authoritative. I suppose it's possible it was recently changed from "Z" to "S". Can anyone verify (can't get hold of my sis-in-law now, will check w/her later)? 980:

Yes, I do, I'm speaker of Spanish and in México is common call to married female so. Selena we would call Selena Quintanilla de Pérez, or simply Selena de Pérez, both correctly. I unknow the rules for surnames in your county. Thank you and sorry the grammar of my basic

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to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article

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HER LIFE NOT THIS STUPID SHORT PAGE OF SELENA. I WILL AGAIN RE-CREATE THIS PAGE IS ANYONE DISAGREES THEN GO TO MY TALK PAGE OTHER WISE LET ME BE AND WILL BE CREATING IT AGAIN. NOW IF ANYONE DELETES IT OH TRUST ME I WILL CONTACT WIKI AND HAVE THIS RESOLVED.

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I find it hard to believe that there nobody has found a free image of Selena despite her immense popularity. Surely someone must have taken a picture of her at some concert and released the photo under a free license, right? I guess we could always ask

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While copyediting I ended up removing a few things to try and improve flow. Since one was a somewhat long and (sort of) sourced sentence, I thought I'd move it here in case someone can fit it or its basic contents somewhere else in the article:

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Can we find any sources for that? It seems like it belongs in the article, but we need a source. I couldn't find any mention of a cash cow here or of Abraham Quintanilla being a greedy SOB. Perhaps there is an article in Greedy SOB Magazine?

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template after the claim that her mother is Panamanian. (I have no problem with it if she is, but we've got to get these points settled so that it's easier to convince people to stop changing her parents' nationalities around every week.)

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link in the article? It was under her Legacy section. I did a check in the history section, and someone (i guess) accidentally fixed her music clip and erased the link. Can someone put it back on? I would, but the page has been locked.

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breaks the history of the article and the attribution requirements of wikipedia's licensing. The article needs to be properly moved by an administrator following consensus that will come through the process I've directed you to at RM.

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American culture without mentioning Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson (despite the former's notoriety)? I don't think so. Likewise, it would be absurd to discuss Hispanic American culture without mentioning one of its biggest stars.

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Note: Any discussion not involving improving the article needs to take place on the relevant user's talk page so that we don't turn this page into a message forum. Also, bear in mind that information for Knowledge has to come from

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It does read incorrect as printed. Maybe they meant second-highest SELLING #1 debut behind Michael Jackson. That seems to be the only problem with the Thompson-Gale article, but there is a lot of info in that article to use as a

699:. The site linked to lists that 1987 award and another in 1995, but nothing more. It appears from other sites that she continued to win the best female vocalist award yearly; the citation should lead to a source that states this. 595:

album after another need to go. I'd also recommend, incidentally, cutting back on the number of individual songs listed. As this stands, there isn't much flow to the article, and that needs to change. And finally, of course,

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3. Of course it implies being less of an American! People are so convinced that they are oppressed in ever way in this country. Therefore they feel the need to connect to a country or place of origin where there ancestors

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Hi, I recently wrote an article about Selena in the croatian version of Knowledge, but this page is locked and I cannot write the language link. The code for croatian is "hr" meaning "hrvatski". Can someone write it?

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In an interview Selena said she recorded her first record when she was 9. In her posthumous album "A Traves De Los Anos" one song on the track list is "Feelings" which is a bonus track of Selena when she was 9.

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This is an article which will need moving, sysops. Should go under Selena Quintanilla. It will need a big makeover from someone qualified to do it to reassign it from hagiography to encyclopedia article.

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Agreed. It seems someone cut and pasted large chunks of information found on other Selena related websites. I think copyright violations have taken place. We should try and clean up the entire article.

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should be corrected to "...George W. Bush, then governor of Texas..." or "then governor of Texas, George W. Bush..." To me, I feel like the current sentence is saying someone named George W. Bush

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Nonetheless, certainly a comparison to similar articles on singers would suggest that there's an argument for going with "American" in the first sentence and saving "Mexican-American" for later.

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if you have any questions about Selena, please feel free to ask me. I am her 3rd cousin. If you don't beleive me, then sorry u missed the opprotunity. I bet my life that i'm related to Selena.

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From my understanding, her father's surname is Quintanilla and her mother's is Zamora. When she married Chris Perez, she dropped her mother's surname and added Perez after Quintanilla. —

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Yea, I have a lot but here on wikipedia no one believes "Selena fans" to have images of her. But I'm the top dog so I don't really care if they do or don't believe me SELENA VIVE~ lolz

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I noticed the article gives her mother's maiden name as "Zamora". I know her first cousin's name was "Samora" (before she married my brother) and this reference also says "Samora"

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The song Amor Prohibido is about her grandparents and the fact they it was a mixed couple...had it been a Mexican who marries a Native American..it would have never been forbidden

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i don't know anything about this but all i know is thgat i want to know more about selema because i a m doing a research report on her and i need more information!!!!!!!!!!!!

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An amazing amount of sexual/pornographic references added to vandalize the article. maybe you can lock it down, this is a very sad commentary on what some people will do.

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This quote seems a little over the top: "Indeed, it is wholly impossible to discuss Hispanic culture without mentioning Selena; she has already reached mythical status."

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I changed "born Selena Quintanilla Pérez" to "born Selena Quintanilla," since obviously she was not born with her husband's name. The infobox reflects her name at death.

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Seriously?! Selena is a Mexican-Amercian who sang and spoke spanish. What you wrote, does NOT make sense. And frankly, it gives me the impression that you are racist.

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Was she born with her mother's surname or her father's? Her birth name is given as Selena Quintanilla Zamora. Did she adopt her father's last name later on or what?

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concert, If Okay; I will creat that page and if I do will get get delted please tell me all the facts about making a "Concert"-like page. Thank you (Jonathan).

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All in all, this article seems to be suffering from the classic problem of citing statements to sources that relate to them but do not directly support them. --

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Selena was born Selena Quintanilla. No middle name. Perez was added on as her married last name. Her legal name at death was Selena Quintanilla-Perez but, she

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For a featured article it seems veryu odd that the section titled "Aftermath" is completely deleted and the section left empty as it is. Any explanation?--

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The article states in the introduction that she recorded her first album when she was 12. The next section states it was at 14. Which is correct? —

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standards, so somebody go look and see whether you think that image should be substituted or if a picture of the full memorial is more educational.

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This page seems to still get a relatively high amount of vandalism. It would be nice to at least have this semi-protected on a long-term basis. --

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the Governer of Texas declared Selena Day making it sound like it is talking about two people instead of one. Could this be changed? Thank you.

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to be hyphenated, and (b) there are plenty of "white" people with hyphenated notations of their family heritage in Knowledge (see, for example,

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Mainly because it's unencyclopedic. This is supposed to be an article, not a list of bullet-point facts. Besides, they were uncited anyways. --

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requirements, creation of said article would be fine. I should point out that you must be a registered user to create articles, though. —

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Footnote 19 cited in support of the factual statement that Selena was the first Hispanic singer to debut at No. 1 does not confirm this.

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Does Selena have the same status in Latin America? Spain? Non-Mexican U.S. Hispanics? If not, maybe this statement should be qualified.

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in English is a census thing, I think. Hispanic definitely predates the census, but I don't know that it was used in the same sense. --

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I'm basically neutral about your edits, but cleaned them up because this is a featured article. These are my main changes and why:

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If you are a User and loves or like Selena please add this into your user page: Category:Wikipedians who like Selena thank you!

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used to be considered non-white by many, but are usually considered white today — there's the issue that (a) no one said anyone

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Also, in the "Aftermath" section the sentence about David Byrne needs to be corrected. One pays homage--one does not play it.

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The name of this article was decided by consensus. Since you wish to change the name, please go through the procedure at

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I'm not a registered user, but could someone please clean up the grammar trainwreck that is the Philanthropy section?

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articles from Corpus), it'd be great to have some information from those added where it contributes to the article.

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Why is Selena seen as Mexican American if her mom is Panamanian-born? If this is true..then she isn't even Chicana.

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A good NPOV lookover. It's not as out of control as it might be, given the subject, but it is a bit hagiographic.

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i dont have time to fix it, but there's some in the first paragraph. specifically calling her parents wetbacks.

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wrote in an edit summary: "This page needs a great deal of NPOV work. It also reads like a copyright violation."

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This supports one of the statements in the sentence. Perhaps just cite the original Hispanic Business article?

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Could someone provide information on her boutiques? All I've ever heard about them was Yolanda's connection.

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Removed from the article: "That was the day that Abraham Quintanilla lost his cash cow. He was a greedy SOB".

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We used the term Mexican-Americans, since they are American citizens (from birth), but from a Mexican decent.

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to a local hospital where doctors conducted a general examination but did not examine for evidence of rape."

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Vandalism that was reverted, next time check the history to check if you can do the revert yourself. Thanks

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because I am very angry of the quality of this article and I know I can add more and fix this article up.

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from or fled. There's a reason people live in America. And it is an insult to Americans for people to add

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The song Amor Prohibido has nothing to do with intteracial love. It is about societies of poor, and rich!

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alternate use is necessary at all. If I am mistaken, please correct me, but it seems unnecessary to me.--

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Isn't "Hispanic" a U.S. census term? Such that "Hispanic-American" is something of a redundancy?

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Spanish naming system as it's not anything she would have ever used, being thoroughly American.

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Selena is definitely an icon within the Gay community, though perhaps moreso among Gay Latinos.

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Moon info, the goddess is normally spelled "Selene", and all the other Selenas use a last name.

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The perez infact comes from her late husband, Christopher Perez, not her mother's maiden name.

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The article suggests that they were performing in Corpus Christi; the source says otherwise.

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Then wouldn't just Selena be the best title? Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone is located at

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I disagree, her Amor Prohibido sales were ALOT more than what Shakira's albums have sold.

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ICP mentioned Selena's name on thier song 'Pass Me By', i think that should be on there

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Isn't her full name "Selena Quintanilla Perez"? I want to move the article to that name.

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explains that Knowledge articles are not reliable sources for other Knowledge articles.

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that samples Selena in which most of the songs are dedicated to or sample Selena. But

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television show who interviewed Selena also at the age of 12 - discovered the singer.

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Fixed 4, clarified 3a Corpus Christi is in Southern Texas, going to fix the other 2

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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please read that link if you are having problems understanding basic knowledge.

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someone should change the main picture as that is selena gomez and not selena

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As requested on IRC, I gave this a copyedit. The next things this needs are:

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Wow, thanks. I must have only been paying attention to the last digit. —

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I know the Kumbia Kings released an AB Quintanilla-produced album called

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1. People such as Americans who best identify with Italian heritage are

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I changed the infobox image. The Agree Shampoo image is too commercial.

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movie or a comic book character. Get a life,a unparanoid one at that.--

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There's a vandalism war going on, this page needs to be restricted...

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In addition, two important figures in the Tejano music industry -

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Selena died. Are they wrong or am I missing something huge? —

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Hmm likely vandalism reverted footnote 19 is with her murderer

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Any particular reason "Spanish" in the intro isn't disamb to "

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Selena's parent's arent immagrants they are both from the US.

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relevant the the hyphenated American issue. She was born in

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Therefore, Selena was a very patriotic American citzen who

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Her full name is Selena Quintanilla Perez. Keep it here.

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Ok I did a better ref for the J-Lo one and fixed another.

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Selena released her next album, Amor Prohibido, in 1994.

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Delinked the dates: date linking is usually overlinking.

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Selena deserves much better. I added the cleanup tag.

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