Talk:List of designated terrorist groups/Archive 2

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happen since so many Wikipedians share the POV) So, to narrow it down one might add: by violent means. (I personally see no reason to, but that i consider debateable) by non-governmental actors (pure Whitewash Imho, and esp. given the secretive nature of the latter would render the definition useless again since no one can really know for example if the CIA and Bin Ladin have or havent severed their ties. That would make the same thing terrorism or not terrorism simply on the grounds of who's footing the bill - Its called a Double Standard. Additionally there you run into the complex issue of what is or isnt a *legitimate* government. e.g. are the chechens a legitimate government of the territory they control? how can legimacy be ascertained in the first place [de facto power? a democratic vote? by what percentage of the given territories population? ) by criminal means. (this is essentially the same as above as the distinction between legal and illegal is made by governments. furthermore, they seem to not be very coherent of what they regard as legal :) One should keep in mind that the UN's Human Rights explicitly declare Resistance to a 'foreign' Oppressor/invader as legitimate. AFAIR it makes no such claim with regard to domestic opressors. and, btw, domestic/foreign by what standards again? would Isreali soldier be foreign or domestic to the gaza strip? would the Wehrmacht have been domestic in those parts of poland that were integrated into the Reich? in those that were populated by German majorities? ... catch my drift? to further POLITICAL goals (again that might be good for Propaganda but makes classification difficult and blurry. Do we really know the motivation of the alleged terrorist? Would 9/11 not have been Terrorism if it was just for the money?[note that religous goals are a subgroup of political goals, as are military goals.)

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accepted, I mean the Geneva conventions and other treaties of war that the warring nations have ratified. I think this also defines a war crime. Now a crime against humanity is different. This is a somewhat grey area that attempts to compare itself to natural law, but I think natural law is a much better forum for such crimes as natural law is somewhat more of a science of understanding the nature of human morality than is some corrupt UN bureaucrats idea of what should be a crime against humanity. I think generally speaking, international terrorist organizations are akin to international mafia organizations, and should be dealt with in a likewise manner if possible, if not possible, then the rules of war are applicable, if that is not possible, then any means of eradication of the organization is warranted, since the world cannot allow these organizations to grow to a size that would enable them to take the whole population of the globe hostage. Ultimately that is the goal of all mafia organizations, to control and enslave the populace using fear and death. --

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governments rely on the plausible threat of violence to coerce its people. Granted, to different extents. Western Democracies rely mainly on the power of propaganda and only secondly on the plausible threat tactics, exactly the opposite of, for example China. however, especially said Western Democracies use violent means on foreign Territory to achieve their political Goals on a daily Basis, which evens out any advantage they might have had with regard to their internal power structure. Of course, this is all being a total waste of my precious time, since nothing is going to change and Knowledge will continue to reflect a pretty Biased POV on the world, like it does with a number of issues. (Anybody ready to define 'War Crime' for me?. It cannot be helped as Knowledge can always be only as neutral as the people that make it. And those are only human and therefore have a POV which is influenced by a lot of highly paid specialists.

1138:. NOW is a prominent national civil rights organization, and in publicity materials, it consistently uses terms like "abortion terrorists" to describe the defendants in its lawsuit. Certainly I wouldn't personally use that term - it's provocative and propagandic, and I think of such actions as "violent protests" rather than "acts of terrorism". But if it's established that Operation Rescue has taken part in "violent protests", it would seem to qualify for inclusion under the given criteria. So, I would support including the organization on this list for references purposes, but marking it as disputed (at least until more details from the court cases can be established). Given that I seem to be the tie-breaking vote here, I will implement my own suggestion. 3087:" because it suggests that there are appropriate authorities. The article I mentioned seems to suggest that due to the nature of the term, there are no "authorities" on the subject. In other words, an organization labeled as a terrorist organization by some might be viewed by others as a legitimate organization. Thus, I propose that this sentence be changed such that it states something along the lines that the list is of organizations that have been accused of terrorist activities by some groups. I just think that it's important for two wikipedia articles to be consistent, and so it seems that this should be changed.-- 1589:

anything like bombings, kidnappings, mass attacks etc. The Shiv Sena is a political party in the Maharashtra state government! The RSS, VHP, and Bajrang Dal are a family of organizations who operate charities in the name Hinduism. If you call these guys terrorist, it would be only fair to list the American Republican party, and Christian Children's Fund as terrorist organizations too. They are definately NOT Fascist, they follow a Libertarian or sometimes, Neo Libertarian agenda. I strongly believe these groups do not belong in the list. The only Hindu group up there should be the Ranvir Sena.

2333:"Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, social threats, or coordinated attacks, in order to generate fear, cause disruption, and ultimately, bring about compliance with specified political, religious, or ideological demands" If you feel other major factors in Sri Lanka are using similar methods then feel free to add them. I added the NMAT because both their name and the fact they are Buddhist makes them of specific interest. Others such as the Tamil Tigers and the SVV probably should also be included but they are not claiming a religous background to there movement. -- 2785:"Indeed IRA and ALF are very different in every way." No. they are very similar in many ways. they both attempt to scare people through violence against people or property to achieve their goals. You have shown time and time again that you know very little about the subject. ALFs motto is "any means neccersary" this speaks volumes in itself. Its not getting changed and I'm not discussing it further. Take it up through the arbitrition methods if you like but you won't win. You have failed to make any significant points and are now just repeating yourself. 1991:; as has been noted, this - or rather, a prior incarnation that has turned into this page - was (back in the mists of time) moved from American to British English spelling, so policy suggests that it should have remained at that spelling set. However, there seems little to no point in the disruption (especially as terrorism is primarily a non-US thing, very recent history aside), so a more international bent to the article, in title at least, is probably preferable in light of our efforts to avoid systematic bias. 454:

it on vfd/old until agreement is reached, second is to move it to one of the suggested locations. The first option, in my experience, is the least useful because we then end up ith a meaningless vfd/old page, much like the one we have now that is so chockabloxck full of old debates you might as well do away with vfd altogether for all the use it does. The second option at least starts the ball rolling with regard to what the article should be called, it can always be moved again at a later date. --

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declared principles of ELF or ALF (no harm to inoccent life, actions against economical exploration of the environment or animals, propaganda to raise this issues) may call himself or herself an ELF or ALF. Well, till this day there hasn't been an action that was meant to follow this principles that hurt somebody. In other words, there hasn't been any "accident". Those that with full awarness target people for ecological issues cannot be considered are part of the ELF/ALF movment.

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by the international community, at least the UN does not at present consider the IDF a terrorist organisation. If you want to you can add a line saying many Arab leaders consider the IDF a terrorist organisation, even tho the UN and most other countries do not. Just make sure you keep it NPOV, that you reference reliable sources, and that you make sure it is clear that it is the opinion of many Arab leaders and not a generally accepted view in the international community.

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disaster, which have perpetuated hunger and death. Do you consider her a terrorist? Anyway, when I say that "They have a commitment for property damage only, and not harming life (human or animal)", I am not ruling out the possibility of some point in the future that someone might get hurt. So, I don't see what is your problem. This statement is very much correct as long as they are able to hold that commitment. They are in fact a peaceful organization, both ELF and ALF.

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that with communism, in terms of group ideology. But to put "anarchist" in the same section, you might as well add "nationalist", "christian" etc... Did you know, for example, that most anarchists support nationalist struggles like the zapatistas and some indigenous movements? Why not putting those two in the same section, following that same logic? To associate Anarchist with Communist reveals a very particular political point of view (POV) that should be avoided.

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compelling statement later in the text, that OR did not sign onto the anti-violence pro-life act, but again, I don't think this can classify the group as terroristic - it's rather scary, but does not necessarily mean they (as a group) can be implicated in terrorist acts and be classified as a "terrorist organization". This an omission - it may be because they believe that is too firm on violence offenses, opposes their blockades in some way, etc.

513:" is a red herring that belongs in the statements of governments, activists, and opinion columnists not in an encyclopedia—unless we are to admit that the encyclopedia has a POV. Terrorism is a description of tactics. And being a terrorist is not mutually exclusive with being a patriot any more than being, say, a bomber pilot who flies planes that can carry nuclear bombs is. Or being a fanatic is mutually exclusive with being religious. 1481: 281: 1353:

word it better than me but you get the idea. A definition needs to be precise, and defining it this way makes a difference between "resistance" against military forces and blowing up women and children in pizza parlors. Also, defining terrorism this way does not excuse nations from their actions, it just doesn't have to be called terrorism, intentional killing of civilians by a nation's armed forces would be a war crime, right?

2520:"ALF" is not the same as "Ecological Activist"! There are, of course, people from every ideological faction that use violence. The group or movement "ALF" is founded on peaceful principles! Only those that respect these principles might consider themselves as part of "ALF". So this group can't be any more responsible for those actions than the church for the abortion clinics bombists that claim to be Christians. 260:

terrorism as shown by other orgnizations listed in this article. RSS is known for training people with ideology of nationalism, but not through violance. Same with VHP and shivsena. Offcourse are "terrorist training camps" into existance which are run by above mentioned orgnizations. If anybody considers RSS,VHP and ShivSena as trrorist orgnization, it is just a sign of there illitracy.

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edited article. There is nothing cited at all either about these groups or those that "accuse" them or "desigate" them as terrorists. It is basically an accumulation of anti-Castro groups (probably put here by the POV warrior Comandante) as well as vague references to Salvadorean "death squads". Death squads are terrorists? Really? How about a group name to start with?

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flimsy reason being offered for this group is that they go to shops and disrupt valentine day sales? Who in their right mind uses this as a criteria for a terrorist group? This section has to be disputed. User Basawala has taken it upon himself to maintain these groups in the terrorists list. He is misguided and has absurd reasoning behind the logic to add them to the list.

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human being or animal. I don't mean to dispute that this organizations are terrorists, at this point, but simply to point out an error on this particular reference. In fact, some of those who accuse this organizations of being terrorist claim that it is only a matter of time till someone gets hurt, which means that there isn't an account of someone getting hurt.

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constituent components of the PLO have been designated as terrorist organisations, which is why they are listed here. However I am not aware of any source which confirms a government listing the PLO, as distinct from a component of the PLO, as terrorist - even in the past. If you are aware of a source that does this it would be most helpful. Thanks. --

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member attacking a pregnant woman is also worrisome, but this is again of a single member. There is no evidence that OR itself encouraged the man to do this. Punching a pregnant woman in the stomach would kind of be ironic for an anti-abortion group to do anyway, wouldn't it? One must take caution with highly partisan sources such as "Feminista".

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hyperbolized to such an extent, as most blockaders talk to the women, not act in violence against them. A strongly pro-abortion organization calling protesters "anti-abortion terrorists" is not credible. If a strongly pro-life organization referred to abortion supporters as "terrorists" themselves, would we include that within our classification?

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same thing through civil disobedience. I am aware that one of its members did indeed commit such a crime in Georgia, but this does NOT make the group itself a "terrorist group". This is like saying an anti-war group is "terroristic" because one of its members has engaged in uncondoned bombing of recruiting stations, etc. (just an example).

2599:"By the mid-1980's economic sabotage bad become a common tactic for the ALF, from smashing windows of butchers' shops to the sustained campaign of arson attacks against department stores that sold furs." "Meanwhile, lets continue the fight for animal liberation, by whatever means necessary." Robin Webb ALF Press Officer 2565:"They have a commitment for property damage only, and not harming life (human or animal)" So when the IRa blew up Manchester they were aiming not to hurt anyone was that not a terrorist act? Since when was terrorism defined purely to hurting people. I came home and my house was smashed up I would feel pretty terrorised! 547:

what you are and what you do. There are a broad agreement in the researh in this field that terrorism describes a certain method, while patriot or more specifically freedom fighter says something about your goal. Many freedom fighters use terrorist methods, but this does not make all terrorists freedom fighters.

1542:, one of India's largest democratic political parties. The last thing I wanna hear is BJP being called a Fascist organisation. Please look into your dictionaries before using terms like Fascist and Terrorist! and how about gathering some information on the concerned organistaion's history and activities -- 1085:(do not see any reason to list an organization, which focuses almost wholly on non-violent clinic blockades which has demonstrated very little violence over the years of its existence, except for likely unconnected cases involving individual members - see my comments above in response to Lulu's citations) 2582:

Jayjg, again, I don´t care if the activist himself claimed to be ALF (which is not even the case). You missed my point entirely. Aperently you still don't understand the history of the term "ALF" and you haven't read what i wrote since you are not replyng to my arguments. I never said that ALF wasn't

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Again, I did not say that they weren't terrorist or that they didn't cause any type of harm, but it must be clear that they do not use violent methods against people. I have read intensily about this subject and there is not one case that involves hurting anyone (neither digging up bodies). Check for

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In the general fate of this article. It is basically one giant NPOV violation, and people are moving sluggishly to do anything about it. But it is particularly egregious to have several Latin American paramilitary organizations all slurred in the same instance of a poorly edited section in a poorly

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Designated Terrorist Organizations are those that have been designated by national and supra-national institutions that have the power to designate them, e.g. the UNSC Committee of Terrorism, the US Government, the EU etc etc. Sourcing and definitions for this is much more clear cut than a definition

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have actually edited this page, or closely related ones, feel about the inclusion of OR on the list (given roughly the explanation and citations that are now provided—they might be tweaked after the page is unprotected, but something like the general pattern would be there is the item is to be kept).

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I would consider Al Aqsa to be a terrorist organization, mainly because insurgents claiming allegiance to AAMB were arrested by myself and my unit in Iraq in the middle of trying to plant a bomb. And its been widely known that the PLO gives approval to terrorist organizations. Looks like we have some

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I think Shiv Sena should be removed from the hindu group, they are a right-wing political party comparable to the republicans in USA, that doesn't make them terrorists. I suggest that it should be removed. Shiv sena has not been implicated in any terror operation to date.... they have been accused of

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winning seats in parliament does not mean they are not a terrorist group. The Irgun won seats in the first israeli parliament as well. The fact is that once a group harms or threatens to harm innocent civilians for the purposes of political coercion they are a terrorist group. Hezbollah have done so,

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To sum it all up: You can choose between defining it in a propagandistic, double-standards way and thereby violating the NPOV policy on the one hand and defining it as scare tactics (throu violent means) and would have to include not only the US, UK Isreal, Soviet, Chinese Governments; in fact *ALL*

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Okay, I can remedy the problem you see here. My understanding is that you doubt that the PLO is "proscribed" by a governmental body (other than Israel I take it) and you doubt that Shoebat is telling the truth, even though Fox and CNN both have reported his story. Okay, lets go with verifiable hard

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The PLO should remain on this list because it WAS a terrorist organization at one time, even though they have renounced terrorism as of 1988. This list includes organizations that no longer exist, so organizations that used to be terrorist belong in the list for historical record. I have included a

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Says who? you?! That guy you found on that website?! ...he is not ALF! I would tell you how can that be, but I don't want to repeat myself. It has become evident that your are not honest in your discussions. You simply ignore my arguments as if they were not there and never give a straight answer to

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headquarter. Check your facts. I understand that people have organized under the banner of ALF with many intents. Either way, there is no link, even by the authorities, of the term ALF to incidents envolving the death and injury of innocent people. I suggest you read about ALF in official government

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In my country there is a communist political party called PCP. They have a website, an headquarter and a phisical hierachical structure. Does that make them communism incarnated? Do they represent the communist ideology itself? Of course not. In ideological terms, they are part of a movement, and as

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Bottom line, if you can’t accept this sort of protection that puts ALF under the banner of “they can’t be responsible, they are just a movement based on principles and not a physical organization”, then maybe you should consider the possibility of them not belonging in this article, since indeed ALF

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I can understand the point that they are a nationalist outfit but they are carrying out their activities under the flag of Buddhism. NMAT claim to be fighting for Buddhism rather than nationalism. As opposed to the Catholic separatists in Northern Ireland who are catholics fighting for separatism as

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Wether the IDF should or should not be considered a terrorist organisation is irrelevant to the article as that would constitute original research. What matters here is wether it generally is or isn't considered a terrorist organisation by other authorities, and it generally isn't considered as such

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If we adopt a broad definition, such as, "Terrorism is the use or threatened use of force designed to bring about political change", then the United States MUST be considered to be a Terrorist Organization (many times over). Even on narrower definitions, the US would most certainly be considered to

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for references. Based on what I've read so far, it seems the Operation Rescue founder, Randall Terry, was personally involved in these and other acts of abortion-clinic-related violence. I don't know whether he was still active with the organization. Unlawful violence committed by a non-state actor

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A Chicago jury seems to have found Operation Rescue guilty of racketeering. Though the racketeering charges were overturned because there was no economic benefit for the organization, this does not refute the charge that there were underlying acts of violence or threats of violence. For details on

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I'd recommend some compromise on this. I think blanket listing of the PLO is indeed wrong. And also the sublisting of Fatah generally. But listing the Al Aqsa Marytrs Brigade or the Abu Nidal organization seems fairly well supported. Actually, I'd frankly support listing the IDF as terrorist, or

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The third cite "Operation Rescue's Randal Terry publicly threatened federal judges during the national trauma over Terri Schiavo." leaves a few questions. How did he do this? Mentioned earlier is a call for assasination by Pat Robertson. Certainly a bad faux pas on his part, but does that qualify

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Because the vast majority of votes to keep were on the condition that the name was changed, but no agreement was made (as it very rarely is in these cases) as to what it should be renamed to. Now, there are two options at this point for the admin clearing away the old vfd debates: first is to leave

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Many of the groups here are legitimate national liberation groups - For instance the PLO is recognised by the vast majority of countries and has observer status at the United Nations. There are many more examples - Does wikipedia only respresent the USA point of view or is it an effort of the global

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categorizes itself is insufficient to prove the point that it is not racist, fascist, or terrorist. Most 'terrorist' organizations do not prefer to refer to themselves as such, particularly in a mission statement as part of their face to the public, yet judge them by their actions and what they say

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I vaguely remember this Shoebat fellow visiting campus back when I was in college. We already have a link to the CFR's description of the PLO as an ex-terrorist group; I don't see that we need to legitimize this dingbat by linking to his pet Knowledge article, never mind the fact that he's about as

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RSS, VHP are off the list. They are not listed as terrorists by anyone anywhere. Even if nsome internet sources say they are terrorists, it doesn't make them so (internet sources also say Elvis is living on the moon). Put them on the list only when an accredited agency says that they are terrorists

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whatsoever. These "autonomous groups all over the world" are not being coordinated within an organization. If you follow these guidelines, or principles, you can call yourself part of the ALF. And you cannot murder people as part of the ALF, as it is part of the ALF not to use "violent" methods. Of

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Lets not get out of context here. When I spoke of "peaceful principles" i was arguing against the implication made in the text written by another user, that suggested that ALF was an organization dedicated to stealing bodies and putting in danger the pshicial integrity of human beings or animals. I

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But there isn't none right now! And why should they be in the same section in the first place?! Most anarchists are anti-left wing, anyway. I can see why a section should hold both communist and marxist, since they are close references, and socialist too, because sometimes it is hard to distinguish

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I've also fixed the link on Kahane, both Kach and Kahane Chai both now redirect to the Kahane Chai page. Both groups are now defunct and there is a challenge to the Department of State's listing of Kahane as a terrorist organization being made in federal court. At this time I'm not listing anything

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IMHO, we need to make clear what definition we're using for "terrorist". This is obviously the basis for all the other sub-issues we're encountering (e.g. "Does a group become terroist just because the USA say so"). I agree with other wikipedians that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom

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Given the previous revert war, I would recommend not adding any claims to the article that aren't supported by details in a properly-referenced Knowledge article, nor removing the listing without discussion on the talk page. Proper documentation will also help skeptical readers understand that the

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article, which includes the lawsuits against Operation Rescue and its founder. It now gives a relatively good overview of the case, and has much better citations to actual court decisions. I have removed the now-unneeded citations from the article, but retained some that have extra details beyond

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In my perception, Jakes18 has taken it on himself to remove OR from this list out of political motives that are not really influenced by citation, clarification, or explanation. Of course it is always possible, on any topic, to declare by fiat that your conversant has not sufficiently refuted some

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I agree it may well be possible to improve on the list of citations given. I put them together slightly hastily in response to the removal of a longstanding listing; the ones I gave were ones the jumped out from the thousands of hits I found in a google search. I would welcome help in providing a

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That might be so (btw, I've also seen documentation that Elvis was an alien on the internet too), but the criteria has set. It is the action of the group to deside the classification. Not every racist is militant and not every militant is racist. The group has broken no US laws and opperates within

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a nuetral term that refers only to tactics, it is a morally loaded term, in the same sence that freedom fighter is a morally loaded term. The sentence just plays the role of declaring that there is significant disagreement as to the moral status of the groups that are named in the list and that the

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I think I understand your objection to the apparent definition of terrorism. I think terrorism should be understood to mean acts by organizations that use illegal and violent tactics to induce fear in a civilian population other than legitimate use of accepted military tactics in time of war. By

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Being that said, I have never heard of someone associated with ALF or claiming to be ALF that as commited a violent crime, anyway. (Again, by "violent crime" I am referring to those crimes that pose a direct threat to physical integrity. All crimes might be considered "violent". Usually people use

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As you can see, this quote is consistent with what I have said. If you look all over the web, you will find many sources, some of them very well considered, talking about the history of the ALF and how they are "people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines"

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The current definition is indeed completely arbitrarily. I can find myself in listing only those deemed to be terrorist organizations by bodies of law, like the UN, EU or national governments (since they are the 'ultimate law monopolists'). A reference can be included for each organization for who

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The people who added RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal and Shiv Sena have a vendetta in mind rather than a valid rational reason in adding them to the list. None of these organizations are fugitive. They do not maintain private guerilla armies or go conduct suicide bombings, nor do they harm the populace. The

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None of the 'appropriate authorities' regard either RSS or VHP as a terrorist org. The hrw reports linked do not even mention the word 'terrorist'. What's with the bias? Either change the first sentence to "list of orgs believed to be terrorist orgs, not necessarily by any governing body" or put a

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So as a hoped-for resolution to this, I suggest the following quick poll to see where editorial opinion lies. Of course, I'm sure political partisans could be recruited on pro- or anti-abortion rights pages to put a thumb on the scale. That's sort of pointless. I'm interested in how editors who

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The second cite is quite complete (although appears to contain a minor bias), but only links OR directly to clinic blockades. Again, classifiyng abortion clinic blockades as terrorist activity is way out in left field. Perhaps you are confusing Operation Rescue with Army of God? There is a more

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Hello all! How appropriate is it to classify the Northern Irish nationalist and loyalist groups as 'Religious Terrorists'? Without a doubt, religion is a significant factor in the conflict, and the targeting of individuals has often been based on their religious affiliation. But, to the best of my

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Also VHP is a religious group with many international chapters right-wing maybe but certainly not terrorist. Shiv Sena is a legitimate Maharashtrian Indian political party representing regional Marathi identity. Please be careful who you try to portray as terrorist organisations. I think we should

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Of course, while that definition would be as NPOV as they get, it is too broad, atleast too broad to use it as a propaganda buzzword, wich seems to be its sole purpose. (Which is, btw, the reason why the whole category should be deleted from wikipedia as inherently POV, but ofc thats not going to

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I think it would be nice to have a map of the world on this page showing the locations of terrorist organisations. The dots could be colour coded for type of organisation. Perhaps nations known to sponsor terrorist organisations could be shaded. If that would be too small, then perhaps maps of

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I'm not sure if the Mexican government has a "terrorist" list, But if EZLN or its members have been convicted under a specific statute of Mexican law that deems them to be "terrorist" it can stay on the list. Otherwise it should be removed. I do not know enough about this group to make this call.

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In the ecologist section is stated "These groups are active on environmental issues. Some of these groups attempt to limit their actions to property damage only, and avoid harming humans (or in some cases, humans and animals)." Please name one ELF or ALF attack that has resulted in the harm of an

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I think that terrorism can be defined. It is a tactic, not a race or an ideology. How about "Intentional acts of violence or destruction perpetrated by non-state actors against civilian targets with the goal of inducing terror to further political or ideological objectives". Perhaps someone could

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Obviously, Lulu of the Lotus Eaters, does not wish to respond to my comment. There is no evidence to suggest that violence is widespread among Operation Rescue members. I could find only one example of violence committed by such members that is classifiable as "terroristic", and the bombing was

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If we impose that standard that any organization that "officially" disclaims violence, despite the widespread activity of its members and founders, we need to remove almost every listed group. For example, I adopted the caveat language from the Hezbollah entry (adjusted for appropriate details),

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The sixth comes from a similar organization. There still is no example that could qualify OR as a terrorist organization. There is an unsupported claim of serious roughhousing by the leader, but not to the extent that could be called, with agreement, terrorist activity. The example of a single

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OR's activity as a group itself was not "bombing abortion clinics, killing doctors and nurses" - that sounds like nothing more than the type of propaganda you would hear from a pro-abortion rights or hardcore feminist group. Rather it was at first (arguably) legal clinic blockades, and later the

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I fail to see why we should stop trying to be neutral and objective just because a term is disputed. It should be the target for an encyclopedia to be as neutral as possible. Also, its quite easy, in my opinion, to prove the statement wrong. As IFaqeer points out, there's a big difference between

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I have put the "Zapatista Army of National Liberation" as an anarchist group, but I am not sure if they are. The reason why I decided to give them this category was because I have read that the EZLN is ideologically based on the political principles set by the man Zapata, and he is classified as

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Wayne Pacelle, senior vice president of the Humane Society of the United States is quoted: "There's sympathy for the motive but increasing antipathy for the means. It's clearly counterproductive. We believe you lose your moral authority when you resort to vandalism, threats of violence and other

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These groups do not fit into the description of Terrorists in any way or form. None of these groups are blacklisted by any governments, none of them have taken part in any activities involving the murder of civilians, none of these have illegally procured any sort of weaponry, and none have done

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Hello, OAS was not a racist terrorist organization. Surely considered as a terrorist organization by french legal government but surely not racist. A lot of arab volunteers, later called 'harkis', fight with these men during the ' Algeria "War"' and the essence of the conflict was beetwen french

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As I have stated, if you wish to spread your propaganda, there are many sites available for that purpose. However, there is no reason to prolong an edit war because you and your buddies feel you feel obliged to call organizations that you oppose "terroristic" with no good justification. If you

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These are some comments on the discussion going on about inclusion of RSS,VHP and ShivSena in the list of terrorist orgnizations. Comments made above are highly misleading. Shivsena,RSS and VHP are terrorist orgnizations. They are into existance since more than 50 years, never shown any sign of

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I have not made the change, but question the phrasing of "non-white racist terrorists." This should simply be headed as "Racist terrorists." Racism is not inately a "white" thing. All violence purpotrated in the name of racial or ethnic "purity" should be condemned equally. The KKK etc should be

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what is your point? That ALF and ELF should be categorized as "terrorist"? If you want to discuss that, you should open another section in this discussion forum. The argument of "Wrong statment" concerns a point made in the "ecologist" section of the article, that was presenting ALF and ELF has

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But which government list? Hizbullah is a terrorist group according to US, Israel, and UK, but it's not considered terrorist group by most other countries. Like Shiv Sena, Hizbullah is legitimate political party that won parliament seats in Lebanon. Moreover, many nationalist/reginal groups are

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Being familiar with Shoebat and a little of his history, it's my opinion that he's an attention-whoring shitbag whose only change has been from hatred of all Jews (not just militant Zionists) to hatred of all Arabs and Muslims (not just violent extremists). Nice work on the sourcing otherwise,

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My view is that the description "terrorist" can best be use in an NPOV way to define non-governmental organisations that have been specifically designated as terrorists by governmental or supra-governmental authorities like the UNSC and EU. This is factual, so is less subject to dispute. Which

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Shiv Sena was discussed earlier, and although I have zero sympathy for them, they cannot be considered as terrorists. All forms of political violence is not terrorism. Terrorism aims to push the society as a whole in a specific direction through the use of violence. Vendettas between political

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Thanks for your contribution on this highly contentious topic. I am keen to build up this article - which is highly subject to NPOV disputes - in a sustainable way and I think the best way is to provide sources as much as possible so that people don't remove entries where they shouldn't. Many

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The problem concerning this groups is that they are not exactly groups, as in a phisical organization with an hierarchy following the orders of specific leaders. They are more the definition of ideological movements than of groups per se. This is how it works: Anyone that follows the publicly

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Why is this under religion? Furthermore, this is not a group, there is no organization called anti-abortion terrorists. It should either be a category of it's own, or not exist. Therefore if nobody adds specific examples of anti-abortion terrorist groups, I'll be removing it from the article.

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Jogendra "Joshua" Debbarma was s general secretary of the NLFT in Tripura; he converted to Evangelical Protestantism, sought to foist a Protestant agenda on the NLFT and was rejected, leading to a split, with only a very small number following him. Debbarma hates Catholics as much as he hates

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The fifth comes from the radical (by the standards of most Americans, at least) feminist group NOW. In the "NOW v. Scheidler" paragraph (the relevant one), they describe "clinic blockades" as "terrorist tactics". Knowing something about these, I would have to say that very few could be even

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The first (CNN) merely describes NOW (a very much partisan feminist organization) accusing OR's leader of violence committed by the same errant members mentioned earlier, and of increased security requirements. As far as I know, OR did suffer under RICO, but racketeering does not classify an

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in that case should the Bush Administration also be listed in these groups? Admittedly both the Shiv Sena and VHP espouse a right wing ideology, but its nowhere even as extreme as those spouted by NeoCons or Christian/Islamic conservatives. They certainly have not been responsible for 100,000

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As for the remark, "The Communist Combatant Cells did not seek to attack humans, still people got killed by their actions.", ELF and ALF both didn't targeted people nor did they get people killed, so what is your point? Some experts on economy explain how Madre Teresa's charity constituted a

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how can u list eoka into terrorists organizations? if someone have occupied your land and you fought (as natives) to liberate your homes from the foreign forces you are a terrorist? when in fact the former members are being paid for serving ethnic resistance? read the eoka article written in

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this is disastrous that a political party which has voters all over the INDIA franchising their votes regardless of Hindus, Muslims and Christians. If Hindus be in religious mood then no one in this world can stop them, we are peace loving people, we dont want any jihad like our neighboring

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Somebody decided to include the "Minutemen" under the "Others" category. While I can understand some of the oppositions some may have towards this group, I would hardly believe it to be fair that they be classified as a "militant group". They are more akin to a community self-policing or

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The Zionist Terrorist groups (JDL, Kach, Kahani Chai) in no way advocate a dictatorial regime or "social regimentation." They believe in the right of The Jewish People to live in Israel, at the expense of all non-Jews, by way of forced removal or destruction. Racist? Yes. Fascist? No.

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You seem to be missing the point. A lot of 'organisations' are working in the same way as the ALF. They are movements with no control over the actions of their so called members. If they have a website (ALF do) and factions (ALF do) and A headquarters (ALF do) they are pretty organised.

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I'll remove the sentences that appear to be weasal words tomorrow, unless anyone provides citations or appropriately rewords. Also, I'll remove the dubious statement that witch burning (that was certainly a crime against humanity) constituted terorism, unless someone provides a citation.

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At what point did I claim that ALF should not be considered terrorist? Not that I think that they should, but that was not my point. The fact that all ALF actions are unjustified, doesn't mean that it is ok to lie in here and say that ALF is an organization dedicated to stealing bodies.

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opposed to separatist fighting for catholicism. My main aim was to show that all Religions even Buddhism (the most peaceful of all religions from my POV)are capable of terrorism and add a little balance to the list that is predominately Muslim and Christian. How about these guys?

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Religeon is just another excuse. Its to do with civil rights based on three hundred years of land theft and bigotry on both sides. Like most conflits, its purely about one side suborning the other under its power, utterly. All other explanations, including religeon, are scenery.

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1) a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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So, again, no ALF has ever been violent or has dug up graves! ALF cannot be responsible for everyone who claims to fight for the environment. Just like Christians can't be responsible, as a religion and a movement, for everyone who claims to kill in the name of Jehovah

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Neverthless, it should always be clear that these organizations are not violent int their porpuse. ELF and ALF movment are no more dedicated to hurting people than your local political party.The fact that they are illegal doesn't change this, even if something "goes

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is needed as well (which together with the other list could eventually render this list unnecessary) there are so many arguments usually when trying to classify an organization as terrorist or not I decided to make the former category first to put of the headaches.

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The Nagas are fighting on the basis of nationality and race, and not on the basis of religion. At the same time, the Meiteis, Asom, Bodos, Tripurans and Kamptans, all predominantly Hindu nations, are fighting on the basis of nationality and race, not religion.

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organization as "terrorist" by any means. Again, clinic blockades may result in heightened security requirements, but this hardly classifies a group as terrorist. The few violent crimes have not been proven to be committed as a part of the OR organization.

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I also agree fully with this. The ANC and the PAC were both definitely terrorist organisations (defined by Amnesty International as such). I live in South Africa and it's funny how yesterday's terrorists who you were afraid of are now running your country.

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I removed the passage on NMAT. Little to indicate that it would be a terrorist group. It might have been involved in violent incidents and vandalism, but if thuggery is a criteria for terrorism then all major political parties in Sri Lanka are terrorists.

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I hope some of you can help me in answering this question and making the decison. In the wikisource there is six declarations that constitute a sort of Zapatista manifesto. I don't have much time now, but i will try to read some of it in the near future.

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I know that this is controversial, but many groups such as the ANC were considered to be terrorist groups by the apartheid government and by US administrations to name but a few. They are no longer considered to be such and are in power in South Africa.

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ERM.. VHP, Shiv Sena(regional language based political party) are blatantly not terrorists. By all means if you think that groups should not be under Islamic then edit so... doesn't mean you can make potentially defamatory accusations against other orgs.

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I have change the setence for one that I think is more correct "These groups are active on environmental issues, using sabotage (monkeywrenching) as their means of struggle. They have a commitment for property damage only, and not harming life (human or

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I cannot find substantial evidence to back your statement up. As far as I can tell, it reflects your own point-of-view and those of the many pro-abortion rights Wikipedians, and therefore could be said to be in bad faith. I will continue to delete it.

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There is no real organization! When can you get that trough your heads?! It is just a movement. There is no group identified as the "ALF" gang, to associate specific action with. Anyone can claim to be ALF (even people who hate the environment).

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That looks like terrorism to me. OTOH, that may fall into the "fringe elements of a larger group that are ambiguously encouraged/endorsed by the group" category - which is the problem that's going to arise with a lot of groups listed here. --

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Shiv Sena has been termed a terrorist organisation by Pakistan, because this Bombay based political party opposes the state terrorism of Pakistan, after Pakistan gave refuge to the terrorists involved in the Bombay serial bomb blasts of 1992.

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While I think the list may be controversial, calling it militant org's is a massive cop out. If there is a significant explanation that the list is controversial in the intro, then the list is not POV biased. The list is interesting precisly

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of these groups avoid harming humans", because that means that some of those groups have in fact gone out of there way to use violent methods against (living) people. If they did any action of the sort you point out, it should be specified.

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Not all orgs in the list are designated TOs. I sugegsted one of two sols: Either, remove all non-DTOs and rename article. Or, separate out the DTOs at the top and then other TOs further down. DTOs should have more prominence than non-D TOs.

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Kahane Chai is currently active near Qiryat Arba and in Northern Israel. In August 2005 Kahane Chai recruited an IDF soldier who then took his government issues M-16 and shot and killed Palestinians on a commuter bus in Northern Israel.

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an Islamic terrorist organization. JKLF seeks a Kashmir independent of both India and Pakistan, which is why it is suppressed in Pakistan. Why do most Indians lack compunction passing off their crass prejudices and libels as certitudes?

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Why is the only religion Islam here? To name two, the KKK is certainly Christian and the JDL is definitely Jewish. If there are no objections within a few days, I'll redundantly add these groups (and others) to the religious section.

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So he criticized the action? What does this have to do with anything? If a vegetarian group's member, as an individual, kills a rancher, and the group's authority condemns it, does this make that group a terrorist organization?

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article for a dispute with some saying it should be in one cat and others saying it should be in another. Categories should be factual. I propose both cats are merged into a single cat called "Designated Terrorist Organisations"

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The conflict is nationalistic if a Nationalists target Loyalists and vice versa, irrespective of religion (including, a Catholic Nationalist would target a Catholic Loyalist and/or a Protestant Loyalist would target a Protestant

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I repeat myself because you repeat the same mistakes. I have tried to show you in every angle my single point. I have respond to every one of your arguments and I do not feel intelllectually challenged by your cheap comments.

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therefor they are a terrorist group. Countries who do or do not list hezbollah may have political reasons for doing so. Knowledge has no such reasons, and thats why these groups so be recognised for what they really are.

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In fact there is a pretty simple and obvious Definition of 'Terrorism'. As the '- ism' Indicates its the Ideology/Idea to use Terror to achieve ones goal. Terror on the other hand can be defined as mortal fear and panic.

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I renamed the "Protestant Supremacists" section as "Northern Irish Loyalists" because "Protestant Supremacists" is a horribly inaccurate name. I'm no Loyalist or Unionist but I'm Irish and it's a really bad description.

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course, you can claim to be ALF and kill someone, as you can claim to be chrstian, democrat and non-smoker, and kill someone. These groups will still not be associated with violence as part of their way of existence.

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Everything is subject to discussion. Even removing the PLO, which to you appears to be obviously correct. To me, I believe that they previously declared themselves a terrorist orginization and then renounced such.

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I changed militant to 'violent political' I don't think they should be called militant, they have no army and do not wage war against the people of India, mainly just religious fundamentalism and anti-westernism.

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legal government and OAS, not with the terrorist organization FLN. The slogan was "French Algeria", as Algeria a "département" of France, so we may consider that it was a nationalistic terrorist organisation... ?

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Furthermore, although the last known attack by the JDL was in 1992, in 2000 JDL officials were arrested for conspiring to blow up the Culver City Mosque in California and Lebanese Congressman Darrel Issa's home.

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is defined in that article - we should not redefine it here, and Knowledge should try to be internally consistent. Thanks for your contributions, I personally appreciate that you are trying to be constructive.

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The introduction says, "The list is of organizations , many (not all) of whom have been proscribed as terrorist organizations by approporiate authorities, including the United Nations and national governments."

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bombers in the ETA and IRA style. Indeed IRA and ALF are very different in every way. Not only in terms of methods but also in the terms of its nature as a group, as I have discussed in this discussion section.

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That is terrorism, organised terrorism. How much more citation do you need? All that was taken from ALF's own website. It would appear that it is you that doesn't know ALF's history. Why not read up on it here

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If the list includes defunct groups - then how back do we go? Stern gang and possibly Irgun were terrorist groups. If the list goes back to the 1940s then they should be included to give a balanced perspective.

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Well link to them then so I can. I set you up with enough citation to look at. Show me some literature that backs up your argument. Otherwise your just stating your opinion where as I have shown you verifiable

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But the first sentence of the article says The list is of organizations that have been proscribed as terrorist organizations by approporiate authorities, including the United Nations and national governments.

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is a good idea. As for AndrewRT's comments, I don't see why there wouldn't be similiar problems with "Designated Terrorist Organizations": who does the designating? (etc). There will be arguments either way.

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The PLO is an internationally respected organization whose chairman have received the Nobel Peace Prize. Listing them as "terrorist" is exactly as controversial as the listing of IDF as "terrorist" would be.

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Shiv Sena has, amongst other thing, been involved in murders and violent harrasment of political opponent. However, i can't see them as a terrorist group per se. Rather as a violent-prone political party.

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clear that the list does not claim to be objective/uncontrovercial. This should be esspecialy true if Knowledge is seeking to be a world thing (not just a 'western' thing) as world opion is very divided.--

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The definition i like best btw is: Terrorism is the organised use of shocking people with acts of overwhelming violence, in order to influence their state of mind in a way that promotes a certain goal.

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I added the budhist group after reading several articles on the sacking of the CWC centre. I know that budhists claim non violence however so do most religous groups. Googling the name will reveal more.

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Further more, this left-right dichotomy here clearly does not work. Better would be something along the lines of "Maoist Terrorist Groups" or "Royalist Terrorist Groups" or "Republican Terrorist Groups".

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It is possible that anarchism has a strong influence in their ideology, but that they are not strictly anarchist. there are other groups in other sections in this article that are in similiar conditions.

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para-policing type force than a "militant" group. I am aware that some do indeed carry arms for self-defense purposes, but calling men aiding the Border Patrol a "militant group" is far from justified.

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Actually, you've misrepresnted JDL, though you're dead on about Kach and Kahane Chai. JDL hasn't been considered a terrorist group since around 1992. Please also remember to sign your comments with ~~~~

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a terrorist organisation in the past. I don't know what Israel thinks about it now, but at this point it doesn't really matter. I just want to set the record straight about the PLO's history. --

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No actually he can't. See the introduction paragraph: "This listing does not include States or governmental organisations which are considered under State terrorism." which would include the IDF.

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has declared a local rebel group, Palipehutu-FNL, to be a "terrorist" organisations which means it should be included here. This way dual standards are avoided whilst maintaining perspective. --

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I have removed the NPOV template, since there is a new definition. There probably are still groups on this list that should not be there. But that does not make the page POV, only inaccurate.

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The Minuteman Project is a racist, terrorist militia which attracts white supremacists and separatists. There is ample documentation on the Internet and elsewhere to support this assertion. —

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A quick search shows that Omega 7 was listed in a 1999 terrorist report by the FBI. Probably there is even more info about this group beyond the Internet, so I find the deletions premature.

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1. TO liberate animals from places of abuse, i.e. laboratories, factory farms, fur farms, etc, and place them in good homes where they may live out their natural lives, free from suffering.

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I agree that the citations by Lulu do not successfully establish that Operation Rescue has advocated violence. Mostly they just establish the existance of the lawsuit. I have created the

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The main thing missing from this list is that there is no way to see if a group is active today or is something from history. Could we have a range of years after the name, for example? --

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The "Tripura Ressurection Army" never had any connection with Christianity; confusion may have arisen due to the identification of "Resurrection" with the "Resurrection of Christ Jesus".

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Although I can certainly see those fanatical yahoos who go and bomb abortion clinics being classified as "terrorists", I find it very difficult to see Operation Rescue as terrorist group.

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understanding, the principal issue of contention has been nationalistic, and the Catholic-Protestant distinction is less relevant to the conflict than the Nationalist-Loyalist difference.

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however. BTW, what makes you think the Israeli government still views the PLO as terrorist? Last I knew, Israel had recognized the PLO as a legitimate political organization since 1993.

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Regarding "Earth Liberation Front - USA (extremist environmentalist) - avoids harming people or animals, but is considered by the FBI to be a terrorist group": the ELF claims credit for

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Currently, the sources listed do not describe the Hindu organisations as terrorists. In this context, I'll remove these organisations tomorrow, unless suitable references are included.

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with ANC being included. Certainly their cause was just, but blowing up a café full of innocent civilians (just one example) strikes me as being a pretty prototypical terrorist action.

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Should the ANC be included in the list of terrorist groups (historical)? This comes back to the definition of terrorist, since their cause was just, but their methods not always so.

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As for the statement, I've seen it as both "patriot" (Contemporary research on terrorism, Wilkinson) and "freedom fighter" (The Politics of Terrorism, Stohl). --09:29, 22. Sept 2005

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New Hindu Section Why is Tamil Tigers a Hindu group? They are a regional group based on ethnic lines not religious. There are muslims aswell as christians who are Tamil Tigers.

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The director of Operation Rescue Alabama, David Lackey, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment. He has said his organization was not involved in the bombing. "

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be a terrorist organisation, based on past actions. The World Court, for instance, found that the US involvement in Nicuragua during the Reagan admin. was a terrorist crime.

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RE: VHP, Shiv Sena... These groups do not indulge in millitancy, geurilla warfare, shootings, kidnappings, bombings etc etc. As one would expect from millitant organisations.

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The UN has a very small list which only includes orgs linked to Al-Qaeda. Attempts to get a consensus on other orgs have so far failed although a committee is working on it.

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Can you quote from the appropriate authorities? Please provide links from the UN, national govts(no links from arab countries and pakistan accepted.) And then we'll talk.

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exactly who did what on behalf of which organization, the best place to look is probably the court documents for that trial. (Which might even be available online?) See

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You see, you wanted quotes to back up my description on ALF, I gave them to you, and now you come with these random empty non-arguments about me not saying anything good.

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parties does not serve that purpose. Also, I question the 'Buddhist' character of this organization (as opposed to viewing the group as a Sinhala nationalist outfit). --

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Not even sure why this is being discussed. The original article (Terrorist groups) was written using -ize English (Canadian or Oxford or US). Then it was redirected to

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But it IS NOT widespread nor have you given evidence that it is. Please do not insert your POV (I see that you are a "feminist" member of Knowledge) into the article.

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I will take it out of the anarchist section - at least for now. I think that this group defenitly belongs in the nationalist section, even if also besides any other.

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Since no one offered me a reason not to I have done this. I couldn't get it to go to the american spelling (as page allready existed) so have moved to UK spelling.--

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Thats all Terrorism really is. The deliberate inducement of panic and mortal fear to further ones (Ideological) goals. Or, even shorter: Terrorism= scare tactics.

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Now, of course, neither of these extremes holds entirely, but I think the latter is a far better characterization of the Northern Ireland conflict than the former.

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This list is inherently problematic because the word "terrorist" itself is ill-defined. I suggest this list should be exclusively for those organisations that are

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ransacking shops and cricket pitches but this surely doesnt qualify, if they are a terrorist org. then the republicans or the labour party would be fair game too.

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As for your introduction that was removed, I agree with its removal. It shows only one point of view, being heavily apologetic for listing Islamic groups. Also

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about the challenge here: it can be read on the kahane page, and might be misconstrued as POV. I did however, note that both groups are now defunct as parties.

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Obviously stating anything about the personal preference of one country or another should not be considered. Stating that the USA is saying so is just wrong.

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KKK and Joshua Debbarma's rump faction of the NLFT must be recorded as Protestant Terrorists, along with the Ulster and Orangemen, and not as "Christian".

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RSS,SS,BD,VHP have not been designated as terror organisations by any credible international source. Vioent yes but terrorists no. They stay off the list.

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The ALF was listed on the FBI's domestic terrorist list in 1987, so it can definitely be included in this article, as do other ecologist militant groups.

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just b/c the U.S doesnt say that one is a terrorist doesnt mean one is not e.g. arafat, and this doesnt have to do with pov or not history proves itself

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Slapped the tag on, because the IRA did not exist in 1916, and the IRA of the war of independence were not terrorists by any definition I'm aware of. --

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5. To analyze the ramifications of all proposed actions, and never apply generalizations when specific information is available. See Mission Statement.

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None of the organizations listed in the section "Anarchist, Communist, Socialist, Maoist and Marxist" is anarchist, so I removed the term "Anarchist"

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I agree. The name in itself is problematic. Instead of using words such as "Terrorist", why not just group all militant, military groups together?

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would respond to the above points, or at least give me some kind of definitive reason to believe as you do, I will stop deleting your inclusion. --

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The statment 'is one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter'. The point of putting it at the begining of the article is that 'terrorist' is

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fighter" is a red herring, and believe it is only a result of not having a clear definition. Without an agreed definition, we cannot reach NPOV.

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countries.After all we are human striving to live with peace and harmony, this is the only birth to be born as man dont create any havoc---gita

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But they do believe in protestant supremicism, and attack not only Catholics, but Non-Protestant immigrants too, in particular the Chinese. --

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the groups are alleged to be terrorist not militant! (Am I writing this in correct place, where exactly will the discussion now take place?)--

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They are "appropriate" because these national government and supernational bodies ultimately define the law. They are monopolists at that.

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and that "any group of people who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF."

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The spelling is inconsistent in this artice. I have no idea what is the more appropriate spelling, but it should be the same throughout.

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US borders. They may carry guns, but that doesn't make them militant. They are akin to the Neighborhood Watch program in US suburbs. JC

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My question was more concerning the ideological nature of the group; if they were anarchist or not. But I am glad you point that out.

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You said "The group or movement "ALF" is founded on peaceful principles!" That is rubbish their motto is "by any means neccessary"!

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Here's a description statement "The group has been involved in several religious riots that lead to the death of several thousands."

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The introductory statement in this article states that some of these organisations are considered as terrorist organisations by the

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A humanitarian organisation or business that acts as a "front" for a terrorist organisation is not itself a terrorist organisation.

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understand all your arguments that point out ALF as being terrorist and dangerous, but they don't concern the topic that I opened.

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Why is the LRA listed as Christian/Pagan/Muslim? I can't find any reference to links with any religion other than Christianity. --

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is the UK/Canadian spelling of the word. I believe policy is something like "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" in this regard. -

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authorities? Those governments whre the designation would have a significant impact on the operation of those organisations. If

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had filled the section with tons of citation needed's, so I would appreciate any help in filling these citations. Thank you.

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in orrder to apparently be more neutral, the content seems still to be writtern as if the page were list of terrorists --: -->

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Who dug up bodies?! As for as I know, none of these organizations. Do you know of any? Anyway, it is misleading to say that "

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Then the rational is wrong - it's correctly spelt. That you're not as familiar with the spelling does not make it mis-spelt.

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george bush is likely to support this because he is anti abortion so it probably will not be seen as terrorist group anyway

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Who gives you to the arbitrary right to say "they will be considered terrorist groups?" Please explain without ambiguity.

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The JDL is not listed by any agency as a Terrorist organization. Therefore, it should not be included in this section.--

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First of all: the word you were trying to type is probably "biased". A fact is neither anti-semitic or pro-semitic.

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The only thing thats wrong with my perfect little definition is that it suits Bin Laden as well as Bush or Blair.

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to be "terrorist" I wouldn't care less as it would have no impact whatsover. On the other hand, the government of

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against non-combatants for religious reasons and with political goal seems to meet the common definition given in

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at least the Mossad, too; but that's a slightly different issue (state-sponsored vs. non-governmental, in part).

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How about the attack on the Oriental Research Institute in Pune, as a minor but relatively well-documented case?

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In the eyes of wikipedia, the opinions of the average US citizen is the truth, and everything else is propaganda.

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Hopefully, a 3RR block will encourage Jakes18 to work on finding citations rather than POV reversion/deletion.

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What makes you say that I believe that the PLO is still a terrorist organisation? I only stated that the PLO

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But, i'm sure if i put the good ol' USA on the list as a terrorist organization, an edit-war will result....

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condemned by the OR of Alabama, and there is again no evidence to support its connection to the group itself.

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Another user deleted the section without giving ANY explanation anywhere, so naturally I have put it back.

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I'll try make a copy of this list, so that terrorist organizations per continent / country can be listed.

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Am I being blind, or are a lot of groups marked with "**" but with no explanation as to what that means?

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article too. Now it's much easier to argue for its retention if anyone comes and tries to delete it. --

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I'll see if I can come up with a table format, with information on country of origin, designator etc.

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There have been Anarchist terrorist groups in the past; they should be documented in that section.

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I do appreciate your cites, but none are substantial enough to classify OR as a terrorist group.

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These organisations were involved in MANY riots, including those that killed thousands of people (

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If you dig up someone's corpse and hide it away, is that property damage or does it harm humans?

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Jogendra Debbarma's faction later changed its name to "Borok National Council of Tripura" (BNCT)

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note next to the entry to alert the reader that the PLO has renounced terrorism for fairness. --

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indicates otherwise. If there were any such information, it should be added to his article and

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I really don't understand what is the point you are trying to make, bringing an episode of Ira.

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which were nominated for deletion. In the end the latter two were deleted as being inherently

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2. TO inflict economic damage to those who profit from the misery and exploitation of animals.

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contentious a source as you'll find regarding the categorization of terrorist organizations.

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By saying "appropriate authorities," this article seems to contradict the wikipedia article "

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After some discussion with others I have created a new category related to this list. It is

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such, they might make decisions that others feel wrong, even insulting to their principles.

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We need an agreed definition of "terrorism" to construct a list of "terrorist" organizations

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community. The terror group Hisbullah was created when Isreal aggressively invaded Lebonon.

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I agree with the above statement. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines "fascist" as:

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Wiki should be NPOV source, inclusion of RSS or VHP in that list is certainly not a NPOV.

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with people/orgs linked to the Taliban/al-Qaeda - at least that is the only one i found.

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Can't you just leave those little articles in peace with whatever spelling they are at?

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The IDF has a long history of targeting civilians and should be included in this list.

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So why isn't PETA concidered a terrorist org, concidering that they wire money to ALF?

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but the first kept - although there was significant support for deleting this one too.

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The KKK is also Protestant and anti-Catholic, which is itself recorded in the entry.

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each continent with dots as explained above. Anyone care to comment on this idea? --

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4. TO take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.

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I am hoping to engage with this page a wee. Here's a policy statement to start with:

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who are vegetarians or vegans and who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines

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Maybe you can cite a source on those organizations? A national government or so...

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No, it is a fact, and your opinion that the fact is biased, is your biased opinion.

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Well, so how do my fellow Wikipedians define a terrorist organisation? If I take a

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Bengalis, the staple hate-objects of the NLFT cadres, and has murdered Catholics.

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Change in the section titled "Anarchist, Communist, Socialist, Maoist and Marxist"

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This is no longer active. The three Hindu factions of NLFT are, however, active.

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Excellent sources thanks for sorting that out. I've also added the info into the

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I don't like this new category as I think it will only create arguments. See the

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I found that there was an entire section on Hindu terrorism, but was deleted by

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Jail for animal rights extremists who stole body of elderly woman from her grave

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This is not for you or I to determine. That is the problem with this article.

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I have changed the introduction because I think it is important that it is made

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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http://animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Premise_History/RodCSinkingWhalers.htm

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available for the list of terror organisations of the EU from 29. Mai 2006. --

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material in the article has not been inserted by partisans, or mistakenly. --

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Check out the animalliberatonfront.com You have a link "What is ALF?" there:

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The Jewish Defense League is Not a Racist, Facist, or Terrorist Organization:

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should be under nationalist, not religous, as they have a secular ideology.--

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Can we get semi-protection for this page to stop vandalism by anon editors?

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They specifically promote volence against, as they put it, "blood junkies"

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are the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP), the Bajrang Dal,

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since they likewise officially disclaim violence against civilian targets.

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They are linked via "What links here" on the left hand side and also via

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did not seek to attack humans, still people got killed by their actions.

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given point (or some new point)... but that's not a game that ever ends.

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This is categorical nonsense. I would like anybody to substantiate this!

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the term "violent crime" when people or animals are physically harmed.)

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http://animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Premise_History/alf_summary.htm

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Since I've been updating the german version - there is a more recent

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The "Sixth Declaration" seems to be the most ideological in nature.

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as terrorist organisations by the UN, EU, US or other governments.

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This page has a forward navigation but doesn't have a backward one

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The US, EU and other individual governments have longer lists. --

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On the list as it currently stands, defunct groups are listed in

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is just the name for the following of those peaceful principles.

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http://www.peace-srilanka.org/media_statements/1998/12_11_98.htm

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RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena should be removed from the list

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http://www.complete-review.com/quarterly/vol5/issue1/laine0.htm

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Okay. Former PLO member source is in footnote, and others. --

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The US has always been an anti-Catholic state as a whole, see

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who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines.

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The seventh source is the best, but still very questionable.

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http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/wwworn/legal/alabama.htm

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There seems to be a lot of cross-over. Also, I'm not sure "

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Each individual T-org page should be linked to this page.

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http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/WhatisALF.htm

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So the Ira blowing up Manchester wasn't a terrorist act?

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Qualifications: have previously worked on this page, on

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have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF

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the lawsuit article - those have been moved to either

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The source I provided specifically mentions the ALF.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/

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small autonomous groups of people all over the world

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Well, by that criteria, I'm not sure NMAT qualifies.

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I made the list alphabetical to avoid claims of bias

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based on an interpretation of actions. I've created

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One persons terrorist is the other persons' patriot.

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to each other and you get a different picture. See

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There is no 531:article does not claim to be objective fact.-- 1840:I've suggested this article to be renamed to 1553:The Hindu organizations most responsible for 1979:; we don't generally move for AE/BE issues. 1633:big-*** Totally-Disputed Tag in the section. 401:. 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