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but of course without our permission, think in here about those serial killers, or the child molesters and abusers, now think about of our educational system and especially in institutions like DeVry Inc., what do they need to do everyday to survive?, and how they do survive everyday? Selling? Teaching? what is the kind of equipment they have to train people in the fields in which they do advertise everyday? Microsoft Word 2003 or Windows XP or Google? Can we really and completely trust the media who are being paid to advertise these institutions and the reporters, who are paid as well everyday--some of them now all over Knowledge? what are they going to write about? Some senators might have these and other questions in a statistical documentation form right now at their desks, and all the lawyers of their fraudulent sub-world would not be enough to protect these institutions and the real "evil-doers" that manage them of their misdeeds. There are officials representing the interest of people, the people of United States of America, and they are already smelling this conspicuous "monkey business". DeVry Inc. Management and other similar "for profit institutions" officials agents would most likely face similar destinies as their counterparts in Enron or at least they should resign and these institutions should be closed. The other people’s money or those investors have limits and these boundaries come when the legislation intervene to remind them that not all is about some people’s money. Am I Bias? Over the last years the abundance of documented evidence in official records against DeVry Inc.’s business and marketing practices has rapidly and alarmingly increased. These complaints are not only about the education of its teachers or their ability to teach but the complaints have come from different types of individuals and from all sorts of sources. For instance corporations that have been aggravated by DeVry Inc. or more precisely by its management' decision makers; from parents, spouses and other students' relatives that have been disgusted by DeVry Inc.'s broken promises, from students who have and are not being able to both find a decent job, and pay their students loans and also other maladies such as their privacy being taking away in its entirety from them by the DeVry Inc.'s associates, i.e., collection agencies, car dealers, and other interested third parties. These individuals have not only experienced how their dreams and illusions have been stolen, but are being unfairly castigated and punished by the rough 'business practices' of this institution too. The list includes: Professors who are still working inside DeVry but fearful of losing their jobs and so prefer to remain anonymous, Professors and evenly Deans who have been fired unjustifiably just because they did want more and better resources for their students and thus they only wanted to do a better job. The malpractices of this institution are significant; in effect they represent a waking call for legislation to change the education accreditation and reaccredidation process. As more documentation about DeVry Inc.’s abuses are being posted by more people, so more prospect students, professors and other stakeholders will be able to form their own ideas about supporting or participating into these “business practices” of these so-called "educational" institutions doing business in United States of North America or elsewhere in the world. DeVry Inc. until now still operating legally and is poised as a "technical" school advertising as University system, which is obviously not, in many states in USA, However, should be in anytime now to be confronted by the Legal regulations and force out of business.--Veritas Longa 16:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

1057: 1453: 1432: 4414:(last updated 31 December 2015) simply "Enrollment 76,000" for DeVry University. Quite frankly, given the number of campus locations, the consistently decreasing enrollment in recent years, and the fact that student population statistics for DeVry appear to be almost nonexistent and most all are for specific campus locations (between tens and thousands per location), I would not be surprised with any of the values given above. Reporting on more than one value for the same enrollment period or year would already look terrible, however, much worse three or more. 1045: 3199: 3148: 3433: 1138: 1117: 758: 3473: 1463: 2443: 2846: 880: 2825: 1148: 3513: 3209: 3485: 3713: 2716: 2695: 219: 3322: 860: 824: 2363: 963: 3577: 2856: 2336: 932: 1961: 482: 1940: 1572: 461: 1085: 1245: 2066: 3362: 3058: 2605: 2496: 2045: 1850: 3037: 2584: 2475: 2373: 2290: 2265: 1829: 1224: 973: 1350: 1971: 3621: 2961: 1329: 3374: 2076: 399: 3068: 2615: 2506: 1860: 1255: 381: 836: 3445: 3334: 1360: 748: 709: 677: 3537: 2726: 597: 6274: 5148: 4534: 570: 3549: 607: 5001: 350: 492: 2951: 2930: 2185: 266: 2164: 904: 4307:, and given and the aforementioned issues with this citation, I am tempted to suspect that this source was fabricated. Nonetheless, I am noting it here with the hope that another editor could find a URL to this source, even if it is an archived copy, because I cannot. Due to the citation's title, date, and publisher, I suspect it would be a strong source to cite for DeVry's reported June 1991 5785: 5109: 4181:"In the context of editing an article, cherrypicking, in a negative sense, means selecting information without including contradictory or significant qualifying information from the same source and consequently misrepresenting what the source says. This applies both to quotations and to paraphrasings." - 5083:

Thank you for your review and for taking care of the issue with the tracking code. About your question, it seems the source has updates the stats since I made this submission. The new numbers are for students who began their studies in 2013, not 2012. It is the second graphic on the page. Here is the

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as the merge target (i.e. make "DeVry University" a redirect to Devry, the reverse of the current situation), tags should be put on both articles for a while first. The table with column header accreditation which doesn't appear to be anything of the sort and the empty People section both look really

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source. I didn't want to prejudice the responses, but that was the one I trusted most here, which is why I left it in the article. I'll leave data as it is. Were it not for the lack of clear dating on the other two sources, I would have considered including them as previous enrollment information to

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3. In Section: Location and campus closures, in the list following the third paragraph, please remove the following locations: California Location: Colton (Inland-Empire) Center; California Location: Pomona Campus; Illinois Location: Chicago O'Hare Center; Illinois Location: Downers Grove Center.

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No, two of the sources you mentioned - U.S. News & World Report and TheBestSchools.com - use data that are at least a year old if not older. It's quite common for data like this to be a year or two "old" compared to the current date e.g., IPEDS data, Common Data Set data, survey responses from

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The undocumented calamities and barbaric corporate scandals take time to be reveled, sometimes several lifetimes, but injustices find their way regardless in the history and regardless and somehow so often these injustices repeat themselves even our own knowledge or negative experiences about them

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DeVry University's academic offerings are organized into five colleges: The College of Business & Management, which includes Keller Graduate School of Management; The College of Engineering & Information Sciences; The College of Health Sciences; The College of Liberal Arts & Sciences,

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article from this Janet Neiman person is difficult to find, so difficult that the only evidence I found of the author's existence as a writer for the newspaper is limited to "By: Janet Neiman" attributions for a few obscure print articles in 2000 which are restricted behind a subscription paywall

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I agree that the timeline in History wasn't very good, but I think it's a shame to throw out the details of the corporate history (especially because the organization naming is so complicated). I've attempted to convert the text timeline into a familytree timeline using the hairy (but fairly well

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Which value, if any, should I use? Is there a better source available than the ones listed above? Or will this just be yet another case of DeVry's proprietary opacity obscuring public information about even its most basic attributes as a university? Any input on this matter would be appreciated.

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There is already a nutshell reference to controversial allegations in the lead, with suggested citations from many highly credible sources, and a denial from DeVry. The documentary’s specific allegations should be moved to the body of the article, in the extended section about “Investigations,

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It turns out that after DeVry acquired Becker CPA Review, it was restructured into a holding company, Becker Professional Review, which holds Becker CPA Review and Stalla Review. Keller did a leveraged buyout of DeVry rather than merging into it as the diagram implies. And I think the "Bell and

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6. In Section: Locations and campus closures, in the bulleted list of locations, please remove the location “*Twentynine Palms Extension” and replace it with the accurate name: “Twentynine Palms Military Base Extension” This is the new list with the corrected location name:

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suggests that DeVry considers itself to be a single university, rather than a university system. That is the true test because the real difference between a multiple-campus university and a university system is the amount of autonomy of the individual campuses.

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According to the National Center for Education Statistics, DeVry University-Illinois has a graduation rate of 28 percent within 150% of "normal time" to completion for their program, for first-time full-time students who began their studies in 2013.

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According to the National Center for Education Statistics, DeVry University-Illinois has a graduation rate of 26 percent within 150% of "normal time" to completion for their program, for first-time full-time students who began their studies in 2012.

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DeVry has some accreditation for its Associates in Electronics Engineering Technology and Health Information Technology that could be added to the article if anyone cares. (For the latter, I would suggest that it is not notable unless an article for

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Explanation: The source now on Knowledge does not have this information (the programs). The new source I have includes the programs that are current. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable.

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Explanation: Denver should not be included. The location of the closure in Colorado was in Greenwood Village, not Denver, as explained in the source. I also added the names of the other locations that were closed. The source is the same.

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In short, the corporation is too complicated for the current diagram. I'm thinking the two pieces of notable information are how the core DeVry company's name has changed over the years, plus the present corporate structure. Any comments?

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policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or

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which includes the School of Education; and The College of Media Arts & Technology.The colleges offer a range of associate's, bachelor's and master's degree programs. DeVry University also offers graduate certificates.

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program details (eg: before the last cleanup there was a comment that they were "engineering technology" degrees, which I thought was interesting and I'd like to see back in there if we can find a source explaining the

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Explanation: A May 2020 source, established from the Wayback Machine, shows that these are the current campus locations. While this is primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable.

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for the subjects of articles to request corrections, I’m posting the following items for consideration. These are mostly all small factual corrections to content already in the article. Thanks for your consideration.

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The further I investigate DeVry and information about it, the less clear and consistent are the data I find about it. Now, I am discovering that the enrollment numbers for DeVry are all over the place. For example,

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Explanation: A current source refers to the Twentynine Palms location as Twentynine Palms Military Base Extension. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable.

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from DeVry University and Keller, its graduate school, was about $ 12.1 billion. For the 2018-19 academic year, the amount that all undergraduate students received in federal student loans was $ 69.42 million.

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Thanks for weighing in here. It's been eight days since I made my proposal. No one has objected and you've supported the proposals. Would you mind implementing the proposals? I really can't as a person with a

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last year (that may have used the Common Data Set data that was then available). The Inside Higher story has much more current data and should be used unless there are data that are even more up-to-date.

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I was doing some research on Central Radio Schools in Kansas City and see that it has morphed into Devry. I would like to see some of that kind of information included in the history section about Devry.

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DeVry University offers undergraduate and graduate programs onsite and online within its six areas of study: Accounting, Business, Healthcare, Technology, Liberal Arts, and Media Arts & Technology.

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Explanation: The DeVry University site currently uses this phrasing to convey its academic offerings. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable.

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I have extensively searched for this article, but there appears to be no record of it whatsoever. Not only does there appear to be no article with that title or anything close to it in existence from

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If any editor could find a better source, please do add it. In the meantime, I have removed that old citation and replaced it with the aforementioned 1993 article, and I tagged the new citation with

6405:: Inclusion of projected university or college student debt is not standard Knowledge Good Article practice for including in the lead of articles about educational institutions. See, for example, 4410:

to be 2018, DeVry saw a total enrollment of 36,653 students, 27,137 of whom were undergraduates (apparently 2016 school year data?) and 9,516 of whom were graduates. Meanwhile, TheBestSchools.com

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information, it could be added to the article. What do you have? (PS - If you are not already registered as a Knowledge contributor; do consider registering. It makes it easier to contribute.) --

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Explanation: A current source shows that DeVry no longer has a presence at Fort Leavenworth. While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable.

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Wall Street has caught a certain amount of that optimism. The price of DeVry stock climbed to $ 24 at the close of the market Thursday from $ 10 in the initial public offering June 21, 1991.

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for the subjects of articles to declare their conflict of interest and request corrections or updates for independent editorial review on Talk, rather than directly editing the article:

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DeVry and Keller together enroll nearly 30,000 students. DeVry's enrollment has fallen 21.4 percent year over year, to 19,287 as of September. Keller enrolls nearly 8,000 students.

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Should these be separate articles or is it to difficult to tell exactly where the boundaries between the organizations are? If they remain separate, the timeline from

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Explanation: I changed the sentence so it reads 2020 instead of 2019 - used the Wayback machine, I created a new citation that establishes the date of the web page.

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According to the National Center for Education Statistics, DeVry University-Illinois has an 8-year graduation rate of 20 percent for first-time full-time students.

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2. In the lead, please move the second and third sentences in the second paragraph that reads “It was one of the universities highlighted in the 2018 documentary

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The section is unbalanced and gives undue weight to negative lawsuits against the subject. Content appears to be cherry-picked to show only negative suits.

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The statement that DeVry does not meet NYS requirements to be called a University is just plain wrong. DeVry is regionally accredited as a University.

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Accounting (MSAC), Accounting & Financial Management (MAFM), Network & Communications Management (MNCM) and “Business Administration (MBA”).

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There may have to be some ancillary changes made to account for the handover from Adtalem. To begin with, DeVry University is still placed within the

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In April 2015, DeVry University announced the closing of 14 campuses around the United States by 2016 as part of a larger restructuring strategy.

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Explanation: The percentage has been updated in a more recent source and to reflect that expected graduation times vary from program to program.

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I am submitting the following proposed changes for independent editors to evaluate, in accordance with the directions at Knowledge's Contact Us

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and other independent editors. Thank you for reviewing the updates above. As I disclosed, I have a conflict of interest as an employee of

5019:#3 The collegenavigator page in your ref said doesn't say that that it has a graduation rate of 26 percent. Is there somthing I'm missing? 4208:

Every point is true, and the legal action is what DeVry university is most commonly associated with. I believe that the edits should stay.

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1. Please replace the first sentence in the second paragraph of the lead that reads: “DeVry University has been involved in numerous

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I'm not actually sure if DeVry specialises in anything in particular although it does appear to have a business bias. A bit like

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source indicates per semester in Michigan with total over four years added together. Cost is different at each school: is 60.

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This article claims that DeVry University is a university system. I contest that claim. DeVry University is accredited by the

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Janet Neiman (16 December 1991). "DeVry Inc. Racks Up High Marks Following Initial Public Offering". Crains Chicago Business.

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

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Discuss general program emphasis and scheduling (this can cite marketing copy, but a third-party summary would be nice)

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Explanation: Change “14 campuses” to “9 campuses” because when you go to the source it lists 9 closures, not 14.

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alleging fraudulent claims about post-graduate employment rates and incomes. DeVry has denied the allegations.

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4a. In Section: Academics, for the third paragraph, the sentence should have a new source, given below:

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Explanation: These are the current programs according to the most recent information in the citation..

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1. In Section: Location and campus closures, Subsection: campus closures, sentence #2, please delete:

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Right now the Curriculum section is unfocused and basically unreferencable. Here's how I'd rewrite it:

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In April 2015, DeVry University announced the closing of 9 campuses around the United States by 2016.

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4. In Section: Location and campus closures, Subsection: Campus closures, sentence #1, please delete:

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My greetings to Squalidhamburger and JohnballfullofHam Users, and their paid-subculture at Knowledge.

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Explanation: The percentage of faculty working full time has been updated in a more recent source.

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Thanks for having such a nice X to Y format, it makes it a lot easer! Also don't forget to log in!

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While this is a primary source, the information is non-controversial, so it should be acceptable.

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