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Holidays and Observances section a feast of Zechariah and Elisabeth (parents of John the Baptist) shown as on both the Orthodox and Anglican calendars, yet it doesn't show on the Church of England's calendar of saints page. One of the pages needs changing, but being across the
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I like that idea. We could have a main article (say "Saints in Anglicanism") with links to offshhot articles on the various national calendars. I know that several figures on the C of E calendar are not commemorated on the Anglican Church of Canada calendar and
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How else would you call them? These great Christian witnesses are what we in the Anglican Communion call saints. We are a catholic church after all.--
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