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863: 407: 2652:, in place of "Air Europa Líneas Aéreas" due to it being branded and known all across Europe as simply "Air Europa". Such titles have no discrepancies regarding their identity, and therefore, the guideline applies. But a sketchy flight number misconception which can potentially relate to two different routes? Well, it's best to then stick with what official sources call it and confirmation through official sources, with it even being mentioned in the final report, suggest that this was flight IT5148 and thereby per 667: 2009: 222: 456: 435: 191: 312: 633: 545: 524: 246: 555: 256: 384: 373: 362: 340: 2805:. I do realise that my previous claims of "ambiguity" is weightless as both flight numbers unambiguously describe the topic. The current title isn't ambiguous but more so incorrect. Knowledge should ensure a certain level of correctness in article, if determined by enough sources. Page moves have been conducted in the past for the correction of flight numbers, devoid of common usage in secondary sources: 2011: 1926:. The opinions below should be viewed in the context of the previous move request in mid-2022 that ended with no consensus. It is even pointed out in the discussion below that 'Air Inter Flight 148' is the more *common* name. The raw Google hits, though they don't always play a decisive role, are strongly tilted in favor of '148'. The French and German Wikipedias still have this as Flight 148. 1342: 1567:. After two relists, it doesn't seem like the consensus is getting any clearer on whether or not to move this page. There are comments that support and oppose the move request without a strong clarification either way, meaning the current title may not necessarily be incorrect. With that being said, per the information in the discussion below, if anyone feels the need to create 2883:)" as opposed to something like the Royal Brunei Airlines entry with the footnote "Multiple news articles reported the flight number as ‘BI238,’ but according to the final report and ATC transcripts it’s ‘BI839.’". Most articles don't even mention this ambiguity. If such conflicts of flight numbers arise, we tend to look at what the investigation report states (see 351: 1950:– Noting the move above and the revert taken on my move, I apologize for the administrators if this may as well be getting rather repetitive but I would like to post a move request to Air Inter Flight 5148, as mentioned in the sourcing above, several sources (including French sources) mention this accident as flight 5148 and not 148, even today: 1788:, the report also uses the callsign of just 148 is seemingly incorrect as it has only one instance of appearance which is page 14 and it was it's callsign and that too is ITF 148 DA and not just 148. A request from ASN was made and they too corrected it to 5148 from 148. Also, modern sources can use an incorrect flight number (e.g. 1959:. I think that the callsign (AIR INTER 148 DELTA ALPHA) in the final report might have interfered in interpreting the flight number (IT5148) from the beginning, hereby the confusion. This may have caught on and not been fixed until found somewhat recently. Callsigns and flight numbers can very well be different. Thanks! 2770:
Sure AVINAME may be an essay but once again, the COMMONNAME policy suggests that inaccurate names should be disregarded. In that case, attention should shift to the guideline which asserts to call it with the IATA flight number. An alternative can be Air Inter Flight 148DA since ITF148DA was the ICAO
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is in such widespread use (to the tune of 85,000,000 vs 450,000 hits on Google (see previous discussion) including, tellingly, on the French Knowledge), that I don't see a problem with adopting it here, provided the ambiguity is clearly explained in the article (which now is, in the very first line).
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A difficult one. The official version of the report uses 5148 once and notes the call sign was for flight 148, also only once. Contemporaneous newspaper articles all use 5148, but more recent sources including some documentaries use 148. My sense is they're both correct but that 5148 is slighly "more
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since it's both well-known and isn't a mouthful to say), flight numbers shouldn't follow this theme as demonstrated above. Evidently, all sources before this article was created or before the erroneous ASN entry was added, referred to the flight as "IT-5148". The lead is also rather clumsy with the
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where the callsign was Brit Air 937 QUEBEC LIMA but that doesn't mean that the flight number was 937. The flight number is what the IATA code was (e.g. AA965, DL1288 etc.) & in this case, it IS IT5148. The FAA lessonslearned webpage has its own set of errors such as naming the Helios Airways
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Particularly in Europe is common for the callsign to be different to the flight number, this is done as a safety measure as all numeric callsigns can and have caused confusion in the past. On example not far from me at the moment is EZY61JR which is actually flight U2 2806. It would probably be
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I would ordinarily accept the Wikimapia coordinates as correct, but since they conflict with the official report I am reluctant to do so. I am, therefore, going to reset the coordinates to the approximate center of the debris field described in the official report,
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Obviously it will say "one four eight" or in this case "Delta Alpha One Forty Eight" since that's their callsign provided by Air Inter but that doesn't provide enough evidence that it is flight number as said earlier, flight numbers and callsigns can differ. E.g.
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could apply as seen above, the guideline makes an explicit mention that "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources.". Also, the
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can apply but it very explicitly mentions: "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources." therefore
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would appear to be used exclusively to refer to Flight 5148, as a sort of abbreviated form. It would be a bit like when airlines refer to their aircraft by the last two letters of their registration, e.g. 'WD' for G-EZWD, as
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The final report mentions "the aircraft used the callsign ITF 148 DA" not something like "the plane was operating as scheduled passenger service ITF 148". The callsign and flight number can differ at any time. Also for
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The actual crash site is clearly visible as a clearing in the forest. There is also a Panoramio photo at the location. The following coordinates represent the centre of the clearing. 48.427736, 7.402967 7°24'16.99"E
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19 December 2011 - This article incorrectly states that MAYDAY is known as AIR EMERGENCY in Australia. It is actually known as AIR CRASH INVESTIGATION in Australia (as it is in the UK). This episode aired today.
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I looked up English-language written accounts of the accident and they all used Flight 148. The US FAA uses Flight 148. The call sign in the CVR was 148. Adding the additional 5 seems simply pedantic to me, sorry.
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can't apply here. Unfortunately, there have been many aviation accident pages on Knowledge which have had an incorrect flight number in the past which have only recently been corrected across the platform:
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and so on. ASN used to call it "Flight 148" for some time (possibly because the investigation report mentions that the callsign of the flight was "ITF148DA") until sometime between March and October 2022:
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I've removed the referenced to the Canadian cable channel as this show is seen on several different channels in Canada. I've replaced the channel name with the name of the production company.
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incident in place of "Air Canada Flight 143" due to it being widely known by that leading name, which also does not go against the inaccuracy factor quoted above. Another example can be
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is erroneously referred sometimes as flight 943). Seeing the Pan Am crash, I think we should continue this theme of using a correct flight number than a commonly used flight number.
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quoted by the general public as Flight 2806. Although we quote these variations between ICAO and IATA in the end we should stick to the common name for article title.
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and they too changed the erroneous flight number to 5148 and they confirmed this through a 1992 timetable that flight IT5148 operated on the Lyon - Strasbourg route:
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Going a bit off-track but there needs to be a guideline for using the IATA flight number and not the callsign because I believe another example of this would include
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even though I suspect that the Wikimapia/Panoramio ones are more likely correct. Perhaps some future editor can find reliable sources to resolve the differences. —
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AVINAME is an essay whereas COMMONNAME is policy. It seems you're concerned about routes and not about what this accident is commonly known as.
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for encyclopedic accuracy and this wiki is only one of them. It should be time that such unnecessary extensions of the guideline be abolished.
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The clearing is very likely the investigation/debris field site and the Wikimapia/Panoramio coordinates are thus probably correct.
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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.
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After 3 move discussions, I don't feel comfortable opening a fourth one but I do believe that this page should still be moved to
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policy. COMMONNAME is definitely not something to ignore but is also not the highest priority. All policies are laden equally.
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and cannot be trusted upon blindly. Also, flight numbers are exempt of common names, for instance, a move was conducted from
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serving two completely different routes. Also, for those who mention that the French Knowledge instates it is Flight 148,
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as pointed out in the above discussion, reason being right now 148 is used more commonly, in the French Knowledge article,
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Should this article be renamed to Air Inter Flight 5148? Per the final report, the flight number was 5148 and not 148.
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I meant in the CVR and ATC transcripts, which spells out "one four eight" or "one hundred forty eight" several times.
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where the actual flight number was KT328 while for some odd reason, the final report incorrectly lists it as KT28M:
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Requested coordinates (which do not fall within the clearing notwithstanding the requesting editor's assertion):
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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As mentioned, 5148 only appears in the final report once, and it comes handwritten on a meteorological document
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policy should hold superior as '148' (if Air Inter did serve a route) and '5148' are two completely different
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Corners of debris field per official investigation report (from section 113.11 of footnote 1 to the article,
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Also note I was also a weak support in an earlier move. I now think the COMMONNAME is more important.
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Which of these flight numbers is used more in sourcing? The error can be mentioned in the article.
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CANNOT apply. This argument cannot be considered. Suggest to go through the definition of a
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on Google search (where 148 turns up 70 million results and 5148 has less than 600K results)
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and NOT 148. This argument can be traced to the earlier discussion. Another example can be
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could be considered an abbreviated form of the full flight number: no big deal. --
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on page 3. I do also think in this case that the flight number was in fact KT328:
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Neither the current article coordinates nor the requested coordinates are correct.
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Also, a good example of where a common name would fit can be for instance, the
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One more thing to point out, we need to have some form of balance between the
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Panoramio coordinates (which fall within the clearing and the Wikimapia box):
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as a redirect towards this article, there's no prejudice against doing so.
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I also just saw this (in Finland) and it was entitled "Doomed to Fail".
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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add
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despite the French Knowledge mentioning the accident as flight 696:
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The right answer here is none too clear. Here are the possibilities:
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where they changed it to 5148. ASN has gotten flight numbers wrong
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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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flight number. However, 148 should clearly be replaced. Thanks!
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Requesting some uninvolved editors to participate. Thanks!
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