Knowledge talk:WikiProject Religion/Archive 3

581:) can get in with only minimal source coverage because its been determined that their position alone assumes source coverage. Knowledge hasn't been able to agree on special notablility criteria for religious figures the way it has for pornographic actors, sports figures, and a number of other categories, so the basic requirement of "multiple" reliable sources (e.g. at least two) remains in effect. In practice, having done something important is still a relevant argument in deletion discussions even when there isn't a special category in effect, and people for whom a claim of particular importance can be made don't need to have as much coverage as people for whom inclusion is based on coverage alone. I suspect being a member of ISKCON would likely be accepted as a special claim of importance reducing (but not eliminating) the emphasis on needing available biographical information. Best, -- 840:"Difficulty" might not be the word, but I'm not sure which project you'd be considering creating it as a subproject of. Generally, it'd help if there were at least five individuals interested in the group before implementation, but there probably wouldn't be any real "objections" or anything to the creation of such a group if there were sufficient interest. I suppose, if such were wanted, it might be taken as part of a subproject on New religious movements, if there weren't sufficient direct interest, but I still think that, based on what I know of the subject, it might be best to contact the Hinduism project first, given the rather pronounced degree of overlap between ISKCON and the extant, if not really active, Vaishnavism subproject. 1979:. My personnal goal for the project would be to have it focus on the relationship, similarities and differences between the religions, though of cousre with enough members and enough time the course of the project may well change or become equally focused on other areas. This project would help deal with articles which are currently within the scope of all of the Abrahamic religions wikiprojects but due to the small difference between them opinions and technical wording are often disputed and Wikiproject Abrahamic religions would fill this gap. The other Abrahamic religions such as 1984:

find similar problems as well although hopefully in time with a bit of research we would be able to incorporate these other faiths completely into the project. As you can probably tell this would be within the scope of WikiProject Religion but I feel that this is a group which would be too big in the long term to be a task force. Anyway the purpose of this is to invite any members of WikiProject Religion or anybody who is just viewing this talk page and think that they might like to join. As the Poroject is in the proposal stage if anybody would like to join please go to

439:, I could make similar to changes to these Bible-related pages but that would cause a needless uproar and be very bad form on my part. But I do want to make it apparent that, in my opinion, including such a statement on just the Book of Mormon related pages and not the Bible related pages represents a very bad, mainstream Christian-centric double standard. So, my follow-up question is would I be going against policy if I remove these statements, and can I refer the other editors to the discussion here should they disagree? -- 725:. The infobox is intended for battles that appear in works of fiction. It lists the information therein as "canon information", though the stuff in it - including the exact number of angels on both sides, and the declaration that the war was won by something called "loyalist angels", is not part of any religion's canon that I'm aware of. I feel the box is just plain useless to the subject matter and verges on original research, but another good contributor believes it has value. I'd appreciate additional opinions.-- 3825:, and what shocked me was that the introductory paragraphs of every single one was different to one anothers, and some were really quite unsatisfactory. Surely is there a way to standardise this, so that, for instance, all pages will begin with a standard "Christianity is a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion", "Hinduism is an Indian religion", "Wicca is a Neopagan religion". It'll make things so much better and help bring about greater cohesion across the many articles. What does everyone think? ( 3899: 31: 2907:. To put it in perspective, as of 2006, there were about 50 people living at the main temple. But since I can only read English and this group is French, I might be missing out on some information--there are references to Boudin's alleged legal problems and a battle with the French government over the statue, so it could be notable after all. Could an editor with the necessary skills check this out and let me know if we could use an article on either Aumism or Boudin? 3444:

problem here would be if Bahia is in articles where it isn't really relevant. I would agree with dab that "discussing it is "due" whenever "various other religions" or NRMs are being discussed, but not otherwise." The notability of a thing is not merely about size, but political and historical role. You'd mention Judaism where you would not mention Bahai. I would agree with -Firefly322 that we should look at what other encyclopedias do, as a fair way to judge this.

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reliable source which specifically offers the definition you're thinking of and create a separate basic article on the subject. I also know that "unitarian" in the sense of all creation being under a single deity is a sense in which that word has been used as well. I do acknowledge the difficulty in trying to find a name for the article though. Maybe it might be easier to opt for a phrase which can be a bit more specific rather than relying on a single word?

652:) and I find it annoying that this umbrella project has gone ahead and tagged thousands of articles without first going to current projects. Like Johnbod, I feel that many of which the members here are going to have little to no understanding of most of the subjects at hand and will be ranking and editing articles in spite of this lack of knowledge. It's a bit late for discussion now I guess, but I'd like to register my displeasure. 318:

despite no consensus ever being reached. In my opinion, such a statements comes off as needlessly and subtly POV. It should be sufficient for NPOV to simply state "According to the Book of Mormon..." or something similar at the start, as is done on such pages for biblical characters from Genesis and the Exodus, both which describe equally historically questionable events. I'm not against having such a statement on the

577:, and a separate one involving doing something regarded as something important based on criteria developed for certain special categorise of people. People who enough source coverage can get included regardless of what people think of the importance of what they've done. People who've done certain especially important things (for an example of the types of things Knowledge considers especially important, see 3426:. If we can summarize "European mythologies", "American mythologies" etc., we can also summarize "NRMs". We don't want a ToC with sections such as "Albanian mythology" ... "Zapotec mythology", i.e. we have to impose a sensible ToC from the beginning. Anything else results in listcruft, as can be observed on pretty much any Knowledge article not under active editorial control. 1283:

would welcome content on such matters. But, in general, I tend to think that our objectives are such that we should focus some of our attention on the various extant groups, as, in general, I think that the individual religions are among the most frequently searched out subjects, probably more than the etymological discussion of the origins of the word "religion".

2040:, which deals with much the same sort of content, if beyond just the Abrahamic religions. Maybe it would be a good idea to help that one first, and then see if there is enough content to make a separate work group for Abrahamic religions specifically viable. And, for what its worth, being a "child" project does nothing in terms of restricting what a group can do. 2999:) that could be maintained here at wikiproject religion. Then a blurb could be included in the wikiprojects' talk page templates to the effect that questions not related to improving that particular article should be directed to the proper reference desk. Hopefully this will reduce a bit the Q&A clutter on those talk pages, at least for those users who 3479:

Whenever adding content I've almost always obeyed the organizational structure that existed before. I think jumping in to some pattern and forcing it on everyone else requires a higher level of unity and understanding than trying to address the relevance and weight of any segments presence let alone just the Baha'is. Next I'll take a look at Hell...

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with a limited vocabulary. In short, we use shorter sentences, and avoid words with many meanings, if possible. The reason I write here is because we are a small project, with about 40 regular editors. We do not have the knowledge to bring many religion-related articles beyond the stub stage. What we currently need:

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lends no substantiation that that placement is correct. It's at least debatable. I know many places on the internet where it's categorized as Abrahamic and very few where it is placed as NRM and there is an air of being prejoriative for such terms as discussed on the NRM page. That's my first thought

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I recently made large-scale changes to Comparative mythology. I'd say the content is more than 50% different from what it was beforehand. The article has been tagged as part of Wikiproject Religion, but it doesn't yet have a quality rating from Wikiproject Religion. This would be an ideal time for it

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article are not credible enough, not reliable/verifiable enough. If better sources are not found ASAP, drastic changes will be made to that section, removing discussion of the fact that while the vast majority of Japanese are officially counted by Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples both as belonging

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that the Baha'i Faith is not listed as an NRM. I suppose it really could go either way: since the religion is about 160 years old, it is certainly new compared to the majority of other religions. But at the same time, one should also consider the possibility that it is a world religion, albeit not a

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Vesal said "WP:DUE has nothing to do with number of adherents, or else we must rewrite evolution/creationism to reflect popular opinion. " That's not true because DUE is relative to the subject of the article. If the article is about evolution, it's about the science, not the popular opinion. The

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Hello to all those of you who want a challenge. I am an editor of Simple English Knowledge. Simple English Knowledge is about explaining the same things as the regular Wikipedias, but ot use easier words and sentence structures, so that it is better understandable to those learning English, or those

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Proposing an example explaining the appropriate use of religious sources in religion-related articles. The intention is to clarify and explain existing policy, not to change it. There have been a number of debates over the years, some of them heated, about whether and what kinds of religious sources

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On this occassion, I would like to ask you for feedback about this kind of listings. (I am currently evaluating whether it makes sense to offer them on a larger scale.) Did you find the listing useful for your project work? Does it reasonably lead you to articles that you can clean up? What could be

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I think that I'm nearing completion in writing this article about a Japanese Seventh Day Adventist medical missionary who was forced to serve in the Imperial Japanese Army during World War II and was killed during the Battle of Attu. I hope to nominate the article for featured status soon. I don't

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If you can find any material relating to the subject of astronomy and religion which establishes the notability of the subject, please feel free to do so. Regarding the reuqested articles list, with this particular project that could be a bit of a problem, considering that such a list would probably

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Having worked within the Hinduism group much in the past, my feelings are that any ISKCON sub-project would be best located under Vaishnavism. However, at present I do not see that we have enough interested editors to warrant this. I for one would not be interested in working within a sub-group with

676:, in the 5 minutes before he deletes them. It goes without saying that all tags have been placed at the top of the list, pushing down other projects that actually look after these articles. Where the other project tags are nested, your bloated banner ignores this, and sits on top even of GA/FA tags! 143:

Any member of any major religion can contrive an ordering that places his faith at the top of the list, and usually give vaguely-reasonable-sounding justifications for it. For example, maybe we should order by prominence in English-speaking countries? A Christian certainly might think so. Defaulting

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it is jarring to list Bahai under "Abrahamic religions". "Abrahamic religions" usually refers to Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Adding "Bahai" to the list is arbitrary, you could as well list "Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Jehova's Witnesses" or "Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Rastafarianism". That's

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article. However, as I remember, there is no consensus on the origins of the word. Given that, there is some question how much significance to give the various disputed possibilities, etc. If you can find reliable, verifiable, neutral sources for the points you make above, that would be fine and we

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You could leave a message at various related wikiprojects to attract interested and knowledgeable editors. You wouldn't want such articles to have a systematic bias by giving undue weight to Christianity-related issues, but that would be easy to slip into because there will be more English-language

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be argued that not qualifying in such a way might demand the dubious historicity be addressed, but with such qualification I don't think further qualification would necessarily be required. However, the Enos article does currently have a very short lead, and it would make sense to add to it more in

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would aslo be dealt with although in the begining of this project not a huge amount would be done on them as I dont know alot about them, due to them being less well known about within the Westeren world and it being quite hard to find any reliable information on them I suspect other editors would

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is heavily laden with 'citation needed' tags, as well as the top of the article having been tagged since january 2007. per policy, an awful lot of material could legitimately be culled from the article on the basis that it's been challenged for a very long time. i'd like to encourage some focus on

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There probably should be, but I don't know the standard term either. Google returns 994 hits for "universalizing religion", and about 1.4 million for "universalism", but that number might be bloated because of its use in Unitarian Universalism and similar groups. I tend to think "universalism" is

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We would probably need some sourcing. Also, it is still possible for a religion that believes in a "universal" or all-encompassing deity, as opposed to ethnic deities, to still proselytize. In fact, I think most of them do. What I think would probably be best under the circumstances is to find a

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As I said just above, that's something completely different. Universalism is the doctrine that everyone will be saved. A universal religion is one that addresses itself to all humanity,as opposed mainly to ethnic religions. Missionary & proselytizing religion are other terms, tho' I get the

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This article has been nominated for deletion, but the dispute over whether or not to delete it is currently unresolved. People should take a look at the article; I don't know if it should be deleted outright, but it needs a major overhaul for one basic reason: It reads as if the author of the

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Your phrasing is a little ambiguous. I think what you're asking is whether you could adjust the content of some of the Mormon articles to something like the phrasing on the Noah page and remove the . I would think the answer to that wuld be "Yes", because it would be in accord with those other

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Re-writing enmass across pages to sort by any particular scheme - like alphabetical or chronological or by population (not to mention debates on chronology) - would seem to me to be a huge re-write that could drastically affect editors who've already made the articles the way they wanted them.

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is not generally accepted by non-Mormon historians or archaeologists" on every single page for individuals from the Book of Mormon narrative? Such a statement was added to a few pages some months ago, though to much disagreement. Now another editor has taken to including on all the other pages

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So my question is are all 48 notable due to membership on the GBC of ISKCON? These 48 could be a good starting place for a discussion on a minimum standard for notablilty for religious leaders in ISKCON. I believe there needs to be some criteria set for establishing, "what is a notable ISKCON

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I thought that at first but due to the comlicated posistion the task force would be in I don't think that it would work. Also becasue this such a large topic I have a feeling that after the intional dubious speculation as a Wikiproject it would grow rapidly while as a task force it would be

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and see if there is enough interest there to form one. But, at least initially, considering the group in question is generally regarded as being effectively "Hindu" in nature, I think that this project might be at least initially maybe not the best one to propose making it a subproject of.

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for a group whose specific purpose would be to focus on the main articles on the various religious creeds, denominations, what have you, and bring them up to the highest level possible. If you would be interested in working in such a group, please indicate your interest there. Thank you.

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into a template that can be used for all places of worship. We would like your views on whether you think this is a good idea, and if you are able to help identify parameters that would be relevant to the religion that your WikiProject deals with. Do join the discussion taking place at

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article shows that Baha'i does not belong under that heading. I was going to move it up to a position under Islam, but then there could be complaints from those who regard Baha'i as an Islamic heresy. That, on turn, made me think that the alphabetic list might, after all, be best.

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entry. There is a content dispute that broke out on the second of the two entries, which has now spilled over to the first. Exactly what natural theology includes and how best to define it are at the heart of this dispute. Thanks for any help. (Note: I am cross posting this on

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I could probably do the changes myself, but it might be a good idea to get the Hinduism project's agreement to replacing the "vedanta" parameters with "vaishnava" parameters, and maybe getting an idea of what, if any, image to add to the new "Vaishnava" part of the banner.

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seems overdoing it. Since this covers such a broad number of articles, and has implication on pages relating to individuals mentioned in other religious texts, I was hoping to see what the larger community thought. So, thoughts and directions on what policy would dictate?

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Alternatively, the wording of the heading for the section could be expanded, so that the one list at the core of the article could be more comprehensive. The section name was only recently changed to narrow its scope, making the list far less informative to the readers

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doesn't have a separate sub-desk for questions on religion; users seem to split their questions between the "humanities" and "miscellaneous" help desks. I think that users may be more comfortable asking questions on boards that are specialized to a particular religion.

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with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Knowledge 1.0 scheme! For the

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It seems a failure of credit to suppose the above are his own opinion- he referenced his comments. But to extend the argument some, please consider, "Abrahamic religions are monotheistic faiths that recognise a spiritual tradition identified with Abraham." it says at

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but as there are currently only 2 editors that looks over the article I feel there's a need for more third party opinions and potentially more editors to build better articles in this field. Please do come over and drop a line with your opinion and any suggestions.

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any substantive biographical information is published, so I would think that at least a single published substantial biographical piece should be available as well. There has been a proposed, abortive, notability guideline for religious figures in general at

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The term cult is widely known, more than NRM better defined than NRM in a scholarly term (though it tends to have more diverse definitions), there is at leaast a strong overlap and a significant fraction of scholars prefers the term cult over NRM.

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Ligaments connect the mind with members of the body. The goal of religion is to reconnect the mind and body. Controlling the interior dialogue is the common element in all religions. Examples: Accepting the saving grace of the Death of the Word.

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the article to mitigate the 'citation needed' tags. unfortunately, i'm not really qualified to work on the citations, as i'm not well schooled in the specifics. i'd just hate to see the article severely modified for lack of attention. thanks.

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One could say that the article on Hell should not mention Bahai at all, since they don't have Hell. But they do mention it, so I guess a small paragraph like what is there now should not be too much, in a section on new religious movements.

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Picture the head as Egypt, the body as the Holy Land and the neck(voice box--restriction) as the Red Sea. The goal is reconnection. The head is filled with the slaveries of worldly addictions supported by wordy considerations of them.

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material on the Christianity-related controversies from Galileo to creationism in the USA. So it would also be good to alert some editors who are interested in Islam, Judaism, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism and the others. For Islam try

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is currenting happening, how may I ensure that it is flagged as a current event? Is there a News Wiki article that this Knowledge article can interwiki? How may I progress this? Is there anything else you recommend? Blessings in the

1163:: 'Culture and fine arts' and 'social sciences'. It's difficult to categorize something like religion because it comes under so many different categories. All projects definitely need to be involved in the requests process though. 647:

I too am quite concerned about the fact that nearly every article in my watchlist was just tagged with the WikiProject Religion banner. This was discussed at length over a year ago, with quite a lot of opposition to the idea (e.g.

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contains a mishmash of items on salvation and related concepts in different religions, and also contains some un-cited items as well as apparent editorializing. Can anyone clean this up? (I will not be editing this myself.) --

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indeed. It is unclear whether there should be a Bahai section in the first place. Ordering sections alphabetically is ridiculous. I have ordered the contents thematically, but have already been reverted (without explanation).

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Also, I note that this project does not link to requested articles on religion. Many projects now have their own requests page, but I think they should all at least link to a suitable requests page if they don't do this.

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Thank you John for the comments. Enos is kind of an extreme example because it is so short, so let me provide a few of the more center of the spectrum examples from both the BoM and the Bible articles. From the BoM side,

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I've just come here to register my complete disgust at the ridiculous spam-tagging of thousands of articles by your project. Is your "inter-faith workgroup" ever going to be able to contribute anything at all to

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The list is alphabetical order; which seems a strange and unhelpful way of listing religions. Perhaps the religions should be in chronological order, which would put Zoroastrianism first and the Bahais last.

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This article, with the exception of one sentence, lacks information on any religions other than Judaism and Christianity. Can people knowledgable about other religions help expand it? Thanks, --

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restricted in size and what it could do. Anyway we will have to wait and see what reaction is although if the wikirpoject idea doesn't work as planned the task force idea is always an option.

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to one of the two was foiled. I began research to possibly create an article, but I can't find anything other than blog/forum fringe stuff . . . nothing that indicates that this group meets

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I consider Baha'i as notable because of the value of the interesting body of literature that it is based upon. I don't think numbers is the only basis for notability in religion. Similarly,

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and offer suggestions on how to improve the list of 1000 vital Knowledge articles, as well as on the process of choosing them. It suffers from a severe lack of attention and POV editing. —

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normally work on articles of this subject, so, if someone could look at it and provide some feedback on the article's talk page on how it could be improved, it would be really appreciated.

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and this merger could use the attention of someone with expertise in the field, or at least someone who knows more than me. If anyone could take a look, it would be greatly appreciated. --

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have to be broken up so that each of the more focused religion projects each had their own such list, etc. But, certainly, I can't see any real objections to the creation of such a list.

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of these Presidents should be included in a list of "Affiliations" or in a seperate section. Some third party comments from the members of this project would help to resolve our debate.

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Etymological research into this word is possibly more important than listing the ceremonies of each "religion" and remaining neutral about its association with nationalistic pretensions.

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Well I'm not an expert, and don't want to do extensive review of the situation. I just wanted to bring this to people's attention to see if there was any major problem. Thanks (: ——

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to name a few - and these aren't minor individuals either, and none of these mention the dubious nature of the source or events that surround those individuals. All of them, like the

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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at

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I'd like to propose that the various religion wikiprojects each set up their own reference desks that can be linked to from the main reference desk- perhaps via an index (including

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I have noticed that the talk pages of various religious articles often become forums for questions about the article's topic rather than discussion on improving the article. Here's

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popular religious discussion board, you will see that Christianity, Judaism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and Rastafarianism are listed under the Abrahamic Religions section. In the

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This will become a POV minefield instead of a WikiProject. A Workgroup on New religious movements may be useful, while one on "cults" and "sects" when mixed with NRMs will not.

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I was thinking an article on the relationship between religion and astronomy or the universe (besides earth) at large might be a good subject for an article. What do you think?

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for assessment alongside the WikiProject Religion banners. Should I leave the Religion banners as well, or delete them as they are redundant? Please let me know on my talk or

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thinks that the afd was tainted due to another editor posting notifications at the left hand path. So, I am notifying all religions about it. Not leaving anyone out. Enjoy.

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In other words, the assertion you just made is entirely your own personal opinion, and you cannot find any kind of published sources whatever to back it up or justify it.

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As a side note, if the listings are too long when generated for the entire project, I can also generate them for individual workgroups, which might be easier to handle.

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I would not mind setting up this this project. I would suggest it will clear up some mess. However the name is to be agreed - vaisnava/Vaisnavism is the right scope.

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regarding that subject, considering that the body in question is generally regarded as being a variant form of Hinduism. I do note that there is an extant

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not already covered by NRM. And "sects" of other major extant religious traditions will tend to already be covered by the main project for that religion.

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It would probably help if the Hinduism banner were set up for the Vaishnavism work group, though. It doesn't seem to have been set up for the group yet.

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Can anyone please please please help!? Surely someone out there must be a Religions of Japan scholar, with proper serious professional academic sources?

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but didn't get much response. So here is the gist - is it necessary to put such a statement as "The historicity of <Book of Mormon person's name: -->

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Admins (who may have this page bookmarked), its been more than 5 days on this MfD and there is clear consensus (to keep). Someone should go close it.

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over how to discuss the fact that some of the early Presidents may have had Deistic beliefs (Jefferson being a prime example). Everyone can agree

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ISKCON is just one organization under the huge span of Vaishnavism. So having a wikiproject for ISKCON is a case of undue weight, if i may say so.

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Since this topic is related somewhat to religion, and since the religion section is part of the issue, I thought I'd mention this is up for FAR.

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about potential improvements to the text. It would be nice to get more eyes to look at the article so as to reach broader community consensus.

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and there you will find the proposal please but your name on the Interested Wikipedians list. Thanks and I hope to here from some of you soon.

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I posted this over on the village pump, but I was wondering if perhaps the specific wikiproject might draw a more insightful thoughts on this.

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to those institutions, most Japanese when asked directly will claim to not be religious. This is a crucial aspect of religion in modern Japan.

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page since the opinion of the historians and archaeologists is usually in direct relation to those groups, but putting something like this on

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represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.

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in articles involving disputes between religious views and historians/scientists etc. Doubtless the proposal can be improved. Best, --

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etc... you get the idea. In terms of requests, we currently have two different places where religion requests seem to be located at

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work group, and that might be an alternate possibility. Lastly, if there were to be sufficient interest in a proposed work group at

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Wouldn't a task force of WP Religion be more appropriate at first? If it grows you can later convert it into an independent WP. --

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I have placed links to this discussion on the talk pages of a few editors who have contributed to ISKCON related articles. Thanks.

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for this WikiProject. I have now updated the list with a new data snapshot of May 24. Also, the list format has slightly changed.

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is a collection of English Knowledge articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The

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As for the content of the entry I think it perfectly brief and on target. I still disagree with the heading it's placed under.

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Hi! I am trying to start a new WikiProject Abrahamic Religions. This Wikiproject would be mainly based around the three major

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This news has been proposed to be featured in the "In The News" section of the Main Page. The discussion can be located here:

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which has since been rejected, although if you can propose another variation, I'd be more than happy to at least review it.

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Because this issue comes up often and can be a source of contention, I am proposing adding a paragraph to the existing

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In short, we provide the ideal playground for anyone who want to get their hands dirty. I hope to see you there. --

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There is currently disagreement over the description of the term "Abrahamic religion(s)" as "post-modern" in the

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Note: There are basically two separate standards for notability, a primary, background one requiring coverage by

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What it looks like to me is that the Hell article has become, here, an inclusion threshold, where if Bahai were

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the article should mention if a given President held deist beliefs, but there is significant disagreement as to

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I will be in your project! (I am at school now, so I don't have much time, but I will help as much as I can.)

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OK, speaking to the Baha'i entry it's placed under New Religious Movements as contented by some but going to

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There should be an article and a category for these, but I don't know which is the standard term. At present

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articles. You could probably reasonably remove the other sentence as well, if that qualification were added.

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My own personal opinion would be that adding it to the lead of the Enos article is overdoing it. The way the

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Oh, sorry, I thought you meant this proposed article (didn't read your question properly). Yes, definitely.

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I suggest it be included under the heading "new religious movements", where other takes on "hell" in other

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with a more careful and clearer explanation of language to use and how to present the subject to implement

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the problems that are inherent in using the words "cults" and "sects", I don't see that many articles in

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And in reply to John, I don't think there is ever any doubt about the notability of the subject - I mean

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There is currently a discussion regarding how much weight to give the subject's religious affiliation at

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I've just abandoned, for personal reasons, a long discussion with another editor regarding the article

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We now have a list of articles which have been tagged by this project with one or more cleanup tags at

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could use some help tracking down missing citations to get ready for peer review. Thanks in advance.

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There is already so much disagreement about the name that the Wikiproject work group has forked i.e.

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I dont know about full fledged involvement, but I will definitely work on ISKCON pages in the future.

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Buddhism/Hinduism is probably in the same bad state; but I cannot judge that, because I do not know.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Archive_13#Knowledge:WikiProject_Religion

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Talk:Abrahamic_religion#Abrahamic_religions:_A_term_of_Islamic_origin._No.2C_I_don.27t_think_so.

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The opinion has been expressed that the sources on the religion section of the overall/general

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impression they are out of fashion. I may be wrong: perhaps one of them is the standard term.

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that I wrote. I think that it already quite reasonable. I am not a native speaker of English.

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Your thematic division works for me. I do not see anything wrong with Bahai being included.

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but now I have to give my 4 yr old daughter a shower, so more later....(sorry that was me)

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notable, then it would not be included. And we could judge other articles in this way? ——

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Can someone tell me who gave this a B (rather than start) rating as part of your project?

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to allow others to make fuller use of the WikiProject template. Revise as needed. Thanks.

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hi, i'm not a member of the project, but i thought i'd bring this up here. the article on

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Hi! A request for comments has been made for this proposed guideline. Please comment at

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WT:NPOV#Religion section - Disputes between historians or scientists and religious views

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to alphabetical ordering is the only way to avoid subjectivity and perceptions of bias.

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There are some knowledgeable editors in WikiProject Islam who will be pleased to help.

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World Association of International Studies, Stanford University, moderated Listserv

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major one. It is well-established in over 200 countries across the globe, as seen

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article, the Baha'i Faith is also grouped under the Abrahamic religions category.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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to discuss the topic. The debate essentially boils down to whether the personal

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I came across this article and tagged it with your project. It's a DYK nominee.

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In Hebrew the group of Hieroglyphs translated Egypt is also translated slavery.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Those two categores seem to overlap. Categories "Religion in <continent: -->

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article does it might work best with the Enos article. "Enos, according to the

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article you point to, simply use the "according to the <religious text: -->

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Any editor with a broad knowledge of religion is invited to take a look at

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The section is alphabetically ordered, so the Baha'i view is listed first.

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I have proposed this template for deletion in accordance with Knowledge's

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have been listed to be merged for over a year. A drive is on to clear out

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is more than welcome to participate in its current cleanup and expansion.

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would be very helpful both in that entry and on the possibly soon deleted

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That kind of makes it not notable for the article, don't you think? ——

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both well-informed on these issues and on WP policies and procedures.

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The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of

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regarding the style guidelines for capitalization and church bodies.

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I noticed that the ISKON-related AfDs didn't seem to be listed under

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Abrahamic religions: A term of Islamic origin. No, I don't think so.

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Talk:Mitt Romney#Material regarding subject's religious affiliation

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Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China

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Knowledge talk:Reliable source examples#Religious sources proposal

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Thanks for the offer but I more or less perform "drop in" edits.

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Judaism: Beliefs, practices, Jewish-Christian relations, news...

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As if the term NRM is clearly defined. How many articles in the

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and similar articles is within the scope of this WikiProject? --

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work group for biographies and ISKCON related articles? Thanks.

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There's been a bit of a dispute about an infobox on the article

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Hey all. I was just browsing through the various pages such as

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Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at

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A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as

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Knowledge:WikiProject Cults, sects, and new religious movements

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Roman Catholic Church overtaken by Islam proposed for Main Page

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The Britannica article on Hell does not mention Baha'i at all.

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Anything relating to Islam is in its infancy, see for example

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Early Cristian Movements (to about Council of Chalcedon) eg.

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article. Discussion on the article talk page can be found

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There is a proposal to convert the draft infobox template

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I would appreciate help to improve the very new article

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Lubar Institute for Religious Studies at U of Wisconsin

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The expertise of those knowledgeable in the subject of

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Possibly. Such content could certainly be added to the

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improved about the content or formatting of the list?

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website it states that there are "around 48" members.

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The Introductions to the pages on specific religions

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in recognition of your contributions to the work of

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