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After a motion is proposed, if the motion requires a second and none is immediately offered, the chair of the body will usually ask, "Is there a second?" If no second is obtained within a few moments of proposing the motion, then the motion is not considered by the assembly, and is treated as though
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If a motion which requires a second does not receive one, but is discussed or voted on anyway, it is too late to object to the motion on the grounds that a second was not offered. This is because the purpose of the second has been fulfilled: the assembly is obviously willing to consider the motion.
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The seconder may state "I second the motion" or "second" without first being recognized by the chair. They may remain seated but in larger assemblies, except in those where nonmembers may be seated in the hall, the seconder should stand. After hearing a second, the chair then states the question
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Ray Keesey states, "Motions need not be seconded. The requirement of a second is largely a waste of time. What member is so destitute of friends that he can't find one willing to second his motion? The traditional justification for requiring a second is that at least two members would support a
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The purpose of requiring a second is to prevent time being wasted by the assembly's having to dispose of a motion that only one person wants to see introduced. Hearing a second to a motion is guidance to the chair that they should state the question on the motion, thereby placing it before the
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states that "Parliamentary practice in American governmental bodies does not require seconds to motions, and in Parliament itself, where the practice of seconding motions originated, they have not been required for more than a
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states, "The seconder can also withdraw his second after the Chair has stated the question and before it is voted on, if the body permits it either by silent consent, or by majority vote if put to a formal vote."
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In the unicameral parliament of Queensland a seconder is not required in most cases. A seconder is required for any motion or amendment to an Address to the Governor, election of the Speaker or condolence.
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In Queensland the Best Practice Standing Orders for Local Government requires a second for all motions. However, in contrast to NSW, these Standing Orders are not binding on Councils, which may modify them.
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While Jefferson's Manual, which is an authority still used in the US House of Representatives, requires a Second, the House has, by precedent and Standing orders, entirely dispensed with the use of Seconds.
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is an indication that there is at least one person besides the mover that is interested in seeing the motion come before the meeting. It does not necessarily indicate that the seconder favors the motion.
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advises against the use of seconds, stating, "It would seem that nothing could be more nearly useless and unnecessary than for some identified voice from the midst of the assembly to boom out, 'I second
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It has been held judicially that the Common Law does not demand a Second, except when the "custom and practice" of the organisation requires it. Although a contrary opinion has also been stated.
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in his Manual. However the importance of a Second is not clear in Scobell's work, and in any event it has been progressively overturned by legislatures since the 19th Century.
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In contrast to the practice in the State Parliament, the Model Code of Meeting Practice for Local Government in New South Wales requires that motions be seconded.
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Seconds are not required in either house of the Parliament of New South Wales nor in the unicameral Legislative Assembly of the Australian Capital Territory.
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motion to justify its consideration. ... There is nothing essentially wrong with the practice of seconding. It is simply unnecessary.
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that a motion is not in order for lack of a second can only be made before any discussion or vote has taken place on the motion.
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A second may be withdrawn if the motion is amended by the maker of the motion before it has been stated by the chair.
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is assumed to have the backing of the Government, Motions moved by a Minister and, in certain circumstances, the
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https://www.statedevelopment.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/44072/best-practice-standing-orders.pdf
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Companion to the Standing Orders of the Legislative Assembly for the Australian Capital Territory
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https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Model-Code-Meeting-Practice-2021.pdf
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https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/assembly/procedures/StandingRules&Orders.pdf
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Motions, other than the motion for the address-in-reply, do not require a seconder.
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assembly. It does not necessarily indicate that the seconder favors the motion.
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it was never offered. Such a motion may be introduced again at any later time.
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10.38... (there is no provision for motions to be seconded in the Assembly)...
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Re Adams International Food Traders Pty Ltd (1988) 13 NSWLR 282 at 284.
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Re Horbury Bridge Coal Iron and Waggon Co (1879) 11 Ch D 109 at 118.
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for motions made by direction of a board or appointed committee.
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https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-116/pdf/HMAN-116.pdf
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Odgers' Australian Senate practice: As revised by Harry Evans
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and the motion is placed before the assembly for discussion.
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Rescind, repeal, annul or amend something previously adopted
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Odgers, J.R. (James Rowland) (2016). Laing, Rosemary (ed.).
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Elder, D.R. (David); Fowler, P.E., eds. (14 August 2018).
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National Conference of State Legislatures (2000).
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Skinner, David; Duncan, Tom, eds. (2022). "10. Motions".
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An early document attesting to the need for a second is
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Request for permission to withdraw or modify a motion
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will second the motion. Seconds are not used in the
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Motions relating to methods of voting and the polls
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Index

secondment
deliberative bodies
motion
point of order
Demeter's Manual
Tilson's Manual
Mason's Manual
Australian House of Representatives
private members
Minister
Chief Government Whip
Leader of the Opposition
Australian Senate
Scobell's
Jefferson




Robert's Rules of Order
ISBN
978-0-306-82020-5



Robert 2011
Robert 2011
Robert 2011

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