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6167:::There is no simple guideline. partly because there is no definition of "primary sources" that applies to all types of subjects, and party because the possible uses of them in Knowledge are very various. Attempts to write one are what have generated the present state of confusion. Just a few example example: to a historian, a newspaper is a primary source, because it is used as the data about which histories are written. To us it is a secondary source, because it's an professionally written and edited responsible covering of the events. To a biologist, a journal reporting research is a primary journal, as distinct from a journal that published review articles, but the actual primary source is the lab notebook. A historian of science studies both it and the publications as primary sources for the history. The same source can be both primary and secondary: an appellate court decision is both: it's the primary source for the wording of the decision, but it's a secondary source, and a highly reliable one, for the facts of the case and the appropriate precedents. In literature, the primary source is the work being discussed; the secondary source is the discussion, but the discussion is a primary source for the thoughts of the scholar in an biography of the scholar. For a fictional work, the work itself is, though primary, the best source for the facts of the plot, because it is more detailed and accurate than anything that may be based on it; for interpretation of motives, if not obvious, a wecondary source discussing the work must be used--but there is not clear distinction about what is sufficiently obvious. The practical distinction for Knowledge is that primary sources which cannot be used as such except as illustrations are those that require interpretation, because we do not do interpretation, which is original research. A textbook is often given as an example of a tertiary source, being based mostly on review articles; but advanced textbooks usually discuss the actual research article themselves to a considerable extent. And some textbooks, like Knuth's books on TeX and Metafont, are actually the primary sources, because the material presented there was never discussed previously and is of his own invention--unless one wishes to consider the program coe as the primary source. 9614::::::::::We need to re-evaluate how we do things there at afc. the standards for article approval seem to be very low. I myself would never approve an article of much lower quality than I would write myself, but many people accept articles that are at best barely possible. And it is much more difficult to guide someone to write a good article than to take over yourself and just fix it, but they learn more if you guide them, though as all teachers and students both know, it can be a very painful processs. Personally, I'm getting to think we might as well let them do manual direct editing, and just look at the results strictly. One process stream, through which everything passes. But the need to watch articles is a real problem, because we all of us who know how to do it have many more than we can effectively watch. I do go back over my deletion log every few months to see anything that turns black again--about half the time its OK, like a good redirect, and about half the time not. The problem of maintaining quality in a project this size was never realised 10 years ago. Elsewhere in the world too, I've seen so many project at all levels that start off great, but are difficult to maintain. Entropy never forgets, and maintenance always increases until its cost is more than the cost of construction. At some point in the future, WP, like any project, will get so top heavy we will need to start over on some better foundation that we do not yet envision. The published and social process people thought it would have happened already, and are still trying to figure out why it didn't collapse at 1 million articles and then 2 million (I think the answer in part is that we developed enclaves; you can fight entropy in an enclave by putting in work & letting things get even worse elsewhere) The other part is the continued ability to interest and attract very highly qualified people with great amounts of time to use, and willingness to use it here. I've done many times more for the diffusion of knowledge in 5 years here as a volunteer e than the previous 35 as a professional. I look on my training in science and librarianship and rteaching and administration and publishing as just the a preparation for this . ''']''' (]) 04:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC) 7004:::Just as an afterthought you mention another important issue: people who don't want to be monitoe. I see often that there are people who claim/think that because WP is an open encyclopedia that also means that there are no rules (or to be more precise: there are no rules for them, while there are loads of rules for others (namely the rules these kind of people set out for the others). Out friend DGA -maybe with the best intentions- has some of the 'properties' of such a person: his rule is law and other rules do not apply to him. Witch such a wide userbase you will always have those people. They shout murder when you limit them (eg block etc) and claim that you are limiting their freedom of speech, but when give the chance they will block anyone who doesn't think the way he/she does (in the country I left we have a politician working that way: he claims that freedom of speech is limitless and that he is entitled to say anything he likes about other people and entire communities - but when someone else tries to make a (very valid) comparisson between him and some guy from Austria who ruled Germany from 1932 onwards he runs to the judge to have such thoughts banned. And when he was proscuted he told (as member of parlement) that he didn't believe nor respect the law-system anymore if he wouldn't be aquited. And at the same time he calls the Islamic communities inferior to our society because our (western) society has such an independent and reliable rule of law. (And again: he want to end that independance of the judges by firing judge after 5 years if he doesn't hand out strict punishments; but those strict punishments should only be handed out to what he sees as crimes (and preferably give far stronger punishments to people from a Muslim background).... (If you can't follow it anymore - not your fault: I can't either).... 14548::I have occasionally checked a new admins deletions if I think from the RfA there is likely to be some problems, and I suppose others do similarly. But I do not know if any people systematically reviews the admin logs the way people do new pages--if anyone does, I've noticed no sign of it. The only thing I've seen checked systematically is the very long-standing page protections. It might be a good thing to do. The AfD closes are very visible, the prods have been checked by several people before they get to the top of the list, but speedies and blocks and unblocka and protections and unprotections don't get looked at, unless someone suspects a problem. I have sometimes thought of doing it, but I have always stopped, because, to be frank about it, I don't want to see the errors. I can't pass over a clear error I do see, and I am fully aware that some admins use the tools beyond the proper limits. Some of these are my friends, & I can mention it to them from time to time quietly. But for obvious reasons most of the ones I would disagree with are by people I often disagree with, with whom relations are often not all that friendly. I don't want to spend all my time quarreling and navigating sticky situations; though I may get the errors corrected, it is not likely to improve mutual relations. (I am also aware that I too make both errors and borderline interpretations, & I suppose I even sometimes interpret things the way I would like them to be, & if I have any enemies here, I do not really want to encourage them to audit me with the utmost possible rigidity. I expect I could be able to very well support my interpretations, but as Samuel Johnson put it, nobody however conscious of their innocence wants to every day have to defend themselves on a capital charge before a jury. 1660:*Of all the deaths of fellow Wikipedians I've experienced in over 15 years, David's is the most deeply felt, and that takes nothing away from other editors whose passings I have noted. For I knew David so well, not just here on-wiki, in his capacity as an arbitrator, administrator and (most importantly) a fellow editor (where his input never failed to uplift any discussion he added it to), but in person through not just many, many meetings of Wikimedia—NYC, but many Wikimanias he attended ... it was not only nice to see a familiar face, and hear a familiar voice, in London and Cape Town (among others), but when he did I felt proud to be part of WM-NYC, for he represented us so well through his presence and commentary/questions, his voice the same in person as it was online, always earning the respect it always got. He is one of the few Wikipedians whose house I have visited, whose spouse I met.David never failed to set an example for all of us to follow, and should anyone want to organize some memorial event onwiki, preferably some sort of editing event, I would want to be taking part. His signature will no longer grace our pages anew, but his influence should be felt as long as there is a Knowledge.I leave with one personal anecdote. I was talking with him once about the way we do things, the way we resolve controversies, and the general collaborative spirit of the project, in some narrower context. I expressed the idea that the wiki way could spread to other areas of human endeavor and that that would be the greatest success of the project."The greatest success of the project" David replied, "will be when ''everybody'' does things this way."I cannot think of any better epitaph. Rest in peace. ] (]) 17:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 3212:

I've opposed some of the policies resulting from it, such as the excessively stringent NFCC restrictions beyond the requirements of copyright law, and the adoption of a BLP policy that permits use to suppress unfavorable but well-sourced articles on significant subjects, and is potentially destructive of NPOV. I saw their attempt last year to impose a policy of restricting sexual images, which was only reduced to some degree of reason by a change in board membership. I see their willingness to encourage a mechanism within Knowledge to facilitate outside censorship; again, the only thing which has kept this from being not just encouraged but required, was a change in board membership. This will be a recurrent issue. I oppose using them as a court of final appeal for issues within Knowledge, and shall continue to do so. This far outweighs almost any individual issue. Even though we may decide wrong, at least letting the WP community decide gives freedom of action to the individual Wikipedias to have divergent policies, and thus allows experiment even in sensitive areas, which is the only way to prevent stagnation. IMO, this applies both to the board and to the programmers. I opposed the introduction by the programmers of a crude and unscientific system of article rating, and their willingness to expand it, without each time getting explicit consent of the community. It has nonetheless apparently been accepted by the community, and I am not sure it is worth the effort to involve myself in its improvement. I opposed their attempt to introduce a deficient version of vector as the default, similarly--at least then, so did much of the community, and we were at least able to get it improved significantly.

5451:::I think the missing link here is not so much NPA as "don't needlessly disrupt Knowledge". What is a personal attack may very well depend on the intention of the writer, and his expectation of how the recipient will understand it. Thus, if we assume good faith, lots of things can be excused as having "friendly" intention, or having been misunderstood. However, it is not enough to have good intention - one also needs not to use language that may predictably give the impression of an intent to give offence (even if none is intended). To give a concrete example: a number of years ago a user was accused of a racist post (I can't remember the details). Of course there was uproar. The user then protested he had no racist intent, and indeed was himself black (sorry if that's the wrong term). The defence was accepted. However, in a virtual community no one knows you are black - so don't use the language that requires that knowledge for context, because it is likely to be misunderstood by some and thus cause disruption. Same here: how one normally uses "cunt" is immaterial, that one doesn't intend a personal attack is good, but also insufficient. If you know that a form of words is likely to be seen as uncivil - just don't use it. We are trying to communicate in a multi-cultural, non-visual community. Sure, people should assume good faith, but you should not (as far as you are able) require them to understand your ethnicity, gender, culture, local linguistic practice, religion, or sexuality in order to understand your words. You should attempt (as you are able) to use language that transcends that - ans so deliberately using language that doesn't is disruption (or even trolling).--] 22:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC) 3537:::but this case is simple with respect to notability: the deleted article on Green had no third party sources whatsoever. I doubt anyone who understands Knowledge would support it at an AfD unless better sources could be found. However, it was deleted via A7, and the criterion for A7 is ''not'' notability, nor is it whether the article would be accepted into Knowledge, but some reasonable indication or claim of importance. The question is whether the claims there are such. I consider them borderline. The person certainly ''thinks'' what they've done is important. I do not, but I can recognize that a person might think so in good faith. Myself, I might or might not have A7'd. Given that I know I have a prejudice against such careers, I might have passed on it & let some other admin decide. In any case, I have a standard practice for a questioned A7 speedy like this: first I give the fairest advice I can, which in this case is that without real sources it will surely be rejected in its present form, so it would be best to submit it again once there are sources; and then, if the person still wants me to, I undelete and send it to AfD (they rarely do, if I give the advice clearly enough). It's easier than arguing. If I was right, it'll be deleted, and there will be grounds for a G4 in case of the almost inevitable re-creation. (The only problem is that sometimes it might not be a good faith article, in which case the subject deserves to be protected against the negative comments at AfD. That's not the case here--they want the publicity. The previous speedy of a much sketchier version was deleted on A7 ''and'' G11, something I also do a good deal. I might have done that here.) 4788:::certainly notable, as is generally the case for full professors at a leading world-famous research university like NYU (I used the word "generally," which I think vague enough to accommodate the various views: there is considerable disagreement about whether it is "always the case,", ""almost always the case" or 'very often the case" -- my own view, as I think is well-known, is that it is ''always'' the case, and the problem is only in deciding which universities it applies to. However, not everyone working on these articles agrees with me, including some of my most trusted friends here, so I am not sure "always" would be the consensus position at this time. My argument is similar to that on many other topics--we have much to gain by not having debates about every one of the tens of thousands of articles involved. We hare more harmed by inappropriate promotional articles about academics --just as about everything else--than we are by slight variations in the standard of notability. Time spent at AfD on determining borderline notability is time that should be better spent in patrolling new articles (and re-patrolling the older ones). Much better to have a simple standard, and concern ourselves with content. But in any case, this particular full professor is notable, but, as is often the case, the article needs a little rewriting isn't done in quite the best way to show it, and I will either do some rewriting or at least offer some advice for doing it. I apologize for not going into the details here, but they'll be clear in the finished articles, where the citations will show him an expert in his subject. ''']''' (]) 05:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC) 5418::I was at first surprised at our emphasis on the wording: I now appreciate it as a good opportunity for discussing bad language. I agree with Scott that the way "cunt" is used in the quote above shows that the use is normally considered offensive in the UK, and that this was newsworthy as an exceptionally crude statement. Its implication depends on the circumstances--it can be used in a positive sense between lovers. But even if the word were uniformly used in the UK as a strong compliment, even among strangers or people working together in offices, referring perhaps to the excellence of women as exemplified by their sexuality, and if nobody at all in the UK, even those of a previous generation, were ever offended, it still is offensive here, because we are not writing for a UK readership only, and it is obviously perceived by many people here as a crude insult. Even were all women uniformly in the English-speaking world to think it a friendly greeting, if any substantial number of men nonetheless considered it an insult to women, it would be offensive. All of these discussions about the intrinsic nature of this word or other words is entirely irrelevant to NPA. If words are perceived by at least some reasonable people here as offensive, that is what matters. I'm Jewish. If I'm called Jewish, I normally consider it a neutral descriptor, or sometimes a word of praise. If it's used to me as an insult, it's insulting because it considers my ethnicity a fit term to be used 5396::::::::{{tps}}Interestingly the word "cunt" in today's '']'' newspaper (a "respectable" paper, not a scandal sheet), albeit as a quote quoted from an article in '']'' and used to illustrate incivility woman to woman (and the original speaker was perhaps using it to emphasise her "working class" credentials?) ''While we wait for their inevitable degeneration, we should try to maintain an even temper, although that is not always possible or even desirable. After Helena Bonham Carter, the great-granddaughter of Herbert Asquith, complained that for all her advantages and beauty directors would not hire her because she was not "trendily working class", an exasperated Kathy Burke found the effort of keeping a civil tongue in her head too much to bear. "As a lifelong member of the non-pretty working classes," she told Time Out, "I would like to say to Helena Bonham Carter: shut up you stupid cunt."'' Not sure if this adds anything to any discussions, but thought it noteworthy when I saw it this morning. Perhaps it does tend to illustrate that it's not a misogynistically-offensive term over here (UK), just a stronger version of "stupid cow", ie rudeness applied exclusively to a female; male equivalent probably "Stupid prick". (But I spend most of my life in a quiet village looking after an aged Mother, so am no expert on what's said in pubs, on buses or in workplaces at present!) ]] 17:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 3384::Yes, I saw that one--in fact, I would have listed it for deletion except that I saw you had worked on it. It's large enough that it might be notable, but whether I feel like doing the work for an article like that depends upon the factors of how important the company is & my opinion of the editor's good faith. I've had no conversations with NoRaft. I sent him an email, suggesting he privately & confidentially tell me who he is, & what articles he had written, but had no response. I will not do something potentially problematic with someone who hides his identity from me, any more than I go down dark alleys with masked strangers. I can see his problem, though--he's promised his clients confidentiality, and by our own rules I can't insist he tell me. Therefore, I shall do as always: any article he or anyone known or unknown asks me to look at on-wiki, I will look at and give my opinion and advice, on-wiki. I'll talk with even masked strangers in bright lit public places. I do not think Jimbo's ruling has literal consensus, but is rather one of the pious statements that nobody will openly challenge, but nobody will actually follow. It is even contradicted by his own statement of our basic policy, that anyone can edit. Anonymity has its benefits, but also its problems, and can lead to such paradoxes. ''']''' (]) 04:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC) 2915:* I'm another late arrival upon this somber news, and frankly surprised that I missed the shockwaves from this one. Unlike some of our other visible losses in recent years, I did not often run into DGG out in the wilds of content work--different areas of interest, I suppose. As such, I didn't have much occasion to converse with him and establish a huge degree of direct rapport. Even so, in community spaces I frequently saw him bring considerable insight and a thoughtful perspective to discussions, and over time his is definetly a name that I had come to associate with quality contributions and a considered, deliberate, and purposeful approach. He clearly put a lot of care into figuring out how he saw a given issue, and then even more consideration into how to relate that outlook. I honestly never saw him comment that he didn't seem like a steady hand, ever respectful of the consequences of his words and positions. These are qualities I respect not just in a Wikipedian, but in a person of good moral conscious, who makes themselves valuable to their fellow person. I'm heartened to see from the above that this worth does not seem to have been lost on the community as a whole: this is one community member whose example we should not soon forget. '']]'' 06:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC) 7600:

copyvio."''' I took this very seriously, as I knew I was doing something extremely wrong. Knowing the only thing I could do was to just stop new page patrolling, as that seemed to be where the problem was diverting from. As I have read from some of your ]], ], ], you say that I am doing much "better at my job," and ] agreed with this statement, and I felt very complacent about it. Since I am becoming better at what I am doing on here, on 00:01, 23 March 2012 (UTC) I will reclaim my position as a new page patroller. Even though I am very avid about being able to be a new page patroller again, I know I need to be careful about what I do. Now for the first few days, I will patrol lightly, until I feel that by success rate is 95% or higher. Being a new page patroller on Knowledge is a very important job, and should be taken seriously. With out new page patrollers, there would be havoc on here. (spam, hoaxs, etc.) If you believe that I have done one thing wrong, please do not hesitate to tell me, and to handle the situation appropriately. ''']'''] 21:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

4959:::Second, your standard is wrong--At the very least there's certainly a general consensus that it is ''fully'' sufficient for the item to be significant in the work, not only if it is the primary theme or influence of it. But below even being important, even the little details are significant, for they are what show the cultural influence of a prior work , or natural or human-made object, or theme. This is how the cultural network is built. The significance of something is that it becomes a standard example that others will recognize. Entire art forms are constructed around this principle: parody, mash-up, collage, sampling. But even in ordinary work, its important what is shown: this is the sort of thing people study in not just literature and cultural studies, but history. There are books and articles, both scholarly and popular, written on , for example, the specific naval references in Jane Austen. or the geographic elements used by Shakespeare,the drinks people drink in a fictional work, the legendary characters or historical events they assume the audience will know about. This sort of information should be part of the content of a comprehensive encyclopedia like ours, which is not limited except by what people want to include. 12309::::If we at WP cannot get promotional editing under control, our response is likely to be more stringent standards for the notability of business and other organizations, & greater selectivity in the content of those we keep. There have already been such proposals, and even without a change in the formal guidelines, the interpretation can gradually change--and in fact is changing. For even myself, a supporter of inclusionism in business articles, the degree of my enthusiasm is much less than it used to be, & my likelihood of making drastic cuts in promotional content is much higher--so much higher, that these have become my principal activities here. Where I used to rewrite, I will often stubbify; where I used to stubbify, I will now delete or nominate for deletion. If the writing for smaller yet notable companies does not greatly improve, that level of company will soon no longer be considered notable. The obvious fact that nobody is in control here gives a false impression that one can try to get away with anything. But with enough eyes, no corner is too obscure to escape notice, and we have by now learned that maintaining a neutral encyclopedia requires standing up for it firmly. ''']''' (]) 03:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC) 12075::Yes. ask the reporter to email me. I would personally very much like to see good content from companies; the problem is getting content that meets the needs of the readers, not the needs of the companies. (And it is not really companies, it is organizations of any type--the problems are very similar), A reputable publisher knows how to accomplish this: it uses the company's PR as one source, in the light of other sources, and as filtered through the critical knowledge of experienced and independent editors, and rewriting it so it matches the expectations for newspaper or magazine articles. A less reputable publisher of course tends to present it much less carefully filtered & rewritten. The difficulty at Knowledge is despite good intentions, we cannot count on having skillful editing of the material, and so we have had the policy of rejecting information from organizations, for fear we will be unable to evaluate it. But after 4 years here working with this material, I know it can be done; I'm currently trying to rewrite at least one promotional article a day, many of long standing--including some I accepted in past years when I had not yet developed a sufficiently skeptical eye. 11885::I was planning something with a roughly similar intent : "What is Promotionalism" It should complement what your've been doing. I want to keep it separate, because my part refers to much more than ''paid'' editing. The structural problem with yours is that you need early on to explain that there is a safe universally accepted way as specified at COI--asking for article creation or proposing a draft in userspace, and a less safe not universally accepted way, direct editing, which is what much of yours is directed to, though much applies to anyone. You also need to explain that policies and guidelines contain contradictions. And in the other direction, there are a few absolute NOs, such as don't remove uncomfortable facts, but use the talk page, & if necessary, OTRS. There's some wording changes needed; for example, the RS problem is as much pR-based sources as blogs, WP:N is not policy, but a guideline, and WP:BRD is an essay which not everyone agrees with--personally, I think it in practice a temptation to violate the policy WP:CIVIL--when I started I was astounded people were actually ''encouraged'' to work in that fashion. . A better title is also needed: "Editing for money" ? ''']''' (]) 16:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC) 5226:#The rule for speedy is that the article will be deleted in the subject shows no indication of importance of significance, which I think of as meaning that nobody in good faith who understood the purpose of Knowledge would think there should be an article. Notability is more than this. Any subject that is notable will certainly be important or significant, while a great many things that may have some good-faith importance will still not be notable. When I first came here, I asked the same question you are asking, and suggested clarifying this by saying importance or significance or notability. The answer I was given by those of more experience is that it is better to avoid using the word "notable" entirely in defining A7, because it will inevitably lead to people asking an article be deleted because of no demonstration of notability, which is asking too much--only the community can decide notability, whether passively at WP:PROD or actively at AfD. Admins have views on this that are too diverse for them alone to be trusted, and notability can in many cases be pretty nebulous. But if something is totally insignificant, we pretty much all agree, and speedy A7 is therefore limited to the types of things we all normally agree on. 1396:*I saw that there was an obituary in the upcoming Signpost and was devastated to see it was about David. This is terrible. He was one of the first Wikipedians I met in real life way back in 2014. I came to him often with questions about DraftWorld and he was always patient and helpful. Most people probably don't know this but until last year, David regularly came to the expiring draft page and "rescued" promising drafts some of which were improved and made it to main space. I've been working with expiring drafts for a few years now and, believe me, there are very few editors who spend their time improving other editors' drafts unless there is an existing relationship between the two editors, like through a WikiProject. It's a very selfless activity to spend time on improving a new editor's work. But I think what I valued most about David was his integrity, he was a true believer in Knowledge and what it stood for. Even when I disagreed with him about certain points, I admired his unwavering belief in the value of this project. I will miss him. ] ] ] 03:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 5374::::::Sorry, I've not made myself clear (and foolishly appeared to insult Americans). The style here is certainly British (and the whole "cunt is not sexist in Britain" meme is slight of hand, because although not generally used to refer to women in the UK, it is not a term anyone would use in any open social space - because it is clearly anti-social pubic language, only tolerated in certain - generally male - in-groups). No, my reference to the US was not that Americans are less civil, it is that there seems to me a Wikipedian reluctance to clamp down on certain types of speech. Go into most British public spaces and use the word "cunt", and you'll soon be asked to shut-up or leave. Use it in the hearing of customers in most workplaces - you'll be fired. And if in any particular sub-culture that's not the case, you won't be able to operate within any wider culture unless you learn how to adapt. Knowledge is a wider culture. I may, inadvertently, happen to use a word that's acceptable "where I come from" - but once I am made aware of the wider cultural sensitivities, I must surely desist. The idea those involved here don't realise this is, quite frankly, not tenable.--] 16:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 9443::::The best way to focus attention on improving weak and outdated articles (and about 90% of our content has become outdated) is to avoid focusing energy on valueless activities here. Every trivial dispute that escalates because of the hostile nature of internet exchanges is harmful--harmful not just in the impression it gives but in the efforts of good people necessary to resolve it. Every debate about whether a borderline article is notable or not is detrimental--the effort would be better spent improving it, and on quickly removing the actually harmful. We have three rapidly achievable ways to improve here, if we have the will to do them: decrease in hostility and uncivil behavior by removing those who do it and by experienced people setting good examples, with emphasis on increasing cooperation and decreasing use of the inherently confrontational ] cycle; clear fixed subject-based inclusion criteria to decrease conflict over deletion by providing a clear basis for quickly deleting or keeping articles; definitively resolving conflict disputes with wide attention as we definitively resolve inclusion disputes--long AfDs are often really debates about appropriate content within articles . 2904:* I just saw this mentioned and immediately felt my heart sink. I have taken the last hour or so to look over all the messages here and there are so many describing interactions and discussions with David. I can't help but feel the immense sorrow flood in over the loss of this connection. So many messages about all of his accomplishments in editing here and it does remind us that editing is our chief purpose for being here. We build the encyclopedia to leave a lasting example for current and future generations and hope there will be those that will take up the torch once we pass. But David was so much more than just an editor. He had such a kindness and understanding and it only grew with his experience. So many of us lose sight of that and its easy to become jaded in such a complex world but David championed this cause and lead by example. No doubt each one commenting here has at least one interaction with David that reflects this over the years. His is a light that will never be extinguished because we carry it in our hearts and minds and will never let it go out. His Lifesong is forever a part of ours. David, you will be missed but not forgotten. --]] 16:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC) 15064::The criteria for keeping an article at speedy are deliberately set to be very undemanding. It's an "indication of importance or significance", which is much less rigorous than WP:N. The idea behind this is that anything that might ''possibly'' be notable--even if the article itself does not make much of a case for it-- should not be judged by an individual admin, but by the community. The only articles that an admin can delete via speedy are the ones that unquestionably can not possibly be considered to belong in an encyclopedia. In the absence of the production of the games, I would normally have considered that a very small company like that gave no indication of possible importance, and speedy deleted it. With that information, it needs to be properly considered to see whether references can be found that will more clearly show the notability. I remind you of the general notability standard, WP:GNG, which is a widely accepted guideline, under which it will depend upon what sources can be found. The extent to which the sources write about the company rather than the games is a matter for discussion--the decisions here are often very much disputed interpretations. 6993:::Maybe just to clarify my suggestions - in regards to the 'hidden' speedy-deltion' template: I used this term as I envisioned something similar as the 'hidden catagories': not anything to be done in secrecy and/or to avoid ir being visable; but as a means to 'tag' them by the aNPPer: he/she would tag an article of which he thinks it should be deleted by adding the 'hidden' template: and maybe you could use the existing technique of hidden catagory: just as a technical means of the mentor/buddy or (other) fully qualified DGG's to find the marked/tagged potential SD requests by sorting on this hidden catagory. So it was meant as using existing Wiki technology without having any direct visable impact on the page in question. But as often, there are more ways to Rome: the aDGG could also just keep record of the pages he checked and the articles he thinks should be tagged for SD or 'normal' deletion etc. This could be done on a special page. But using the existing technique of hidden catagory is imho a nice technical way of doing it which is relative easy to implement such a scheme without adding burocracy or demanding new processes/technology in the background. 5137::::Yes, that is what most journals do: the TOCs at least are readable, and there is a sample issue or volume available free. A great many, including all or most of the journal backfiles at JSTOR, have abstracts free also. A very few don't even let you see the TOC, which is f rather silly--free TOCs and abstracts help sell article access. Usually we do not give the specifics of this in the article, because it;s fairly standard and subject to change. We certainly don't let any journal doing this imply they have free access. Now, if we could persuade the publishers to make everything free except the most recent issue or two, it would be a small step forward--though that of course is not open access, which requires the final version to be free to read and otherwise use upon publication, which, from the point of view of disseminating ideas, is the only acceptable solution. I sort of know this by heart, having spent the last 10 years of my professional career on negotiating and arranging for e-journal access for a university (and have kept up since then), and been since 1999 an active advocate of true open access. ''']''' (]) 18:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 1990:* David and I became Wikipedians at almost the same time; my first edit was a few weeks before his, respectively in August and September 2006. Most of my contacts with David were long ago, when we were both highly active on AfD, and time and again I found myself supporting deletion while he supported keeping. As years went by, both of us underwent changes in editing patterns in different directions, and for many years now I have rarely encountered him, but when I have done so, I have found that very often he favoured deletion of pages where I preferred to keep. David himself has stated that over the years he moved towards being less of an inclusionist, and I suppose I have moved somewhat in the opposite direction. Consequently, I found myself disagreeing with him on a large proportion of the times when I came across him, one way or the other. However, he was always respectful and constructive, and his opinions, whether I agreed with them or not, were always based on rational grounds, and, despite our differences of opinion, I always had respect for him, and I believe that his death will be a major loss for Knowledge. ] (]) 20:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 9463::::there is nothing at Knowledge that cannot be improved by wider participation of increasing numbers of new editors. We will get that by making it easier to edit and easier to start articles. People who have been here for a while lose the initial excitement at being personally able to affect the content of the only universally visible publication ever; it is the newcomers who will maintain our vigor. We are not making progress here: while dramatic improvements in the editing interface are forthcoming, it seems we are about to adopt a policy which will drastically decrease the ability for newcomers to write new articles. There is nothing more important than people. Content is relatively trivial: what we do not improve today we can improve tomorrow, but a person once discouraged almost never returns. We have projects to write better forms, but we will never write an adequate form--we need projects to educate people without them. We have excellent bots for routine tasks, and effective edit filters, but we seem unaware that this is a human enterprise requiring friendly personal spontaneous human communication. ''']''' (]) 15:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC) 6244::OK, I will try this weekend. But "verifiability" is a relatively straightforward concept: it means the material in the article must be able to be shown accurate by published sources. We have no way of judging what is really true , because we have no research capability, and few editors with the recognized professional standing to check submissions by academic standards. We therefore rely on outsiders to do that, in publications that have editorial supervision. Whether we "''should'' have such editors and give them authority is a rather complicated question & I'm going to incorporate some material I wrote for Foundation-L about this problem. (My view, briefly, is that we should not do so, but rather go as far as we can the way we have been working. There is a need for an comprehensive freely available encyclopedia with proper scholarly editing, but I don't think our methods can produce one. If it is tried, it should be as a separate project, but the experience at Citizendium has been very discouraging. The most problematic questions are: who will pick the experts?, and , what if they disagree?. ''']''' (]) 19:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC) 12698:::::::But a few specifics. first, We do not intend to be a friendly place for people expressing grudges. I remove or greatly condense such material when I see it, although it is necessary to separate the removal of over-emphasis from the attempt at a cover-up. I think the best approach for an individual PR person confronted with this is OTRS. The OTRS people are practiced at sounding as professional or bureaucratic as necessary to be convincing, while still maintaining our values.. (I do a little such work for schools complaints & i think I have always satisfied people that we're doing what we can, though not necessarily what they would like.) Second, the 4th reason for working by our accepted practices is that you will succeed in getting to say what can appropriately be said within our limits; it's not just risk management, but in a more positive sense effective working. Third, It helps to remind people that Commons is open to good photographs with a free license, & does not require immediate use in an article. & what is put there might end up being used quite widely. ''']''' (]) 00:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC) 9565:::::::To tell you the truth COI and company articles is what interests me the most, but after going through AfCs and request edits for just one day, the current state of affairs just makes me feel bitter and angry. To see someone submit a request edit, after overhauling their entire article, removing controversy and adding advert. Or donating my time to help a COI in AfC, who refuses to follow my very simple instructions and goes bat crazy over a peacock tag that he won't even leave up for 1 day while I ask the editor that posted it. I already feel like I hate COIs. I don't think it's good for my health. It sounds like a good idea to help people, but they use direct editing as a threat "if you don't XYZ, I'm going to remove it in two hours." They feel empowered in a way they would never behave if working with the New York Times. Even instances where COIs appear to be resolved and collaborative, three months later they come back and censor the entire section they had just collaborated on. No wonder the community feels how they do. I'm already growing bitter :-( ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 16:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC) 3526:::it depends , as always, on references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. Almost always all material about them is on the internet in the form of blogs of some sort; the question is then what sort of blogs count as reliable for the purposes of notability. In the past, Knowledge has been notably restrictive in this, but as more and more other responsible sources appear in this format, things are changing. There's a subsidiary question in each particular case of whether the coverage in the references is substantial, but that's essentially the same question as with references in any media, and amounts to a question of judgement. Such judgements can depend not on the merits but on what one wishes to prove, since often each position can be justified. The prevailing attitude, which to some measure I share, is extreme skepticism. I summarize it by saying that for someone to be notable, they have to have actually done something notable -- in the ordinary meaning of the word. 13816:::::::We do not disagree. I was not satisfied with my wording in context, but neither am I satisfied with the previous wording, or the current. is a fundamental problem, and the page is being evasive about it. It is very difficult to give advice when practice deviates widely and inconsistently from the formal guideline. Though there is a formal guideline that COI editing is strongly discouraged, there are wide differences in its interpretation, with well-regarded people here taking completely opposite positions. Some would revert to the formal position when I joined: that a COI editor may not write an article ever or even suggest one, but wait until somebody uninvolved notices the topic is important. Others would actively encourage COI editing and concentrate on improving it, emphasizing that all guidelines inherently have exceptions. (And during the period where it was most strongly discouraged, the encyclopedia nonetheless became filled with it, and most of it remains.) Even the "safe" method (AfC) that we recommend is very inconsistent in application and results, whichI will discuss elsewhere. 1462:*: Just wanted to expand on this a bit, as DGG crossed my mind again today. There is one particular thing that he wrote which has had a profound effect on my approach to community-wide discussions on Knowledge—and perhaps a bit in real life as well: I encourage everyone to give the section of his user page called "''I do not attempt to convert my opponents--I aim at converting their audience.''" a read. It's the last part under ]. In a discussion with many participants, it is often futile to try to convince individual participants to change their views. Instead of confronting your opponents directly, DGG suggests stating your opposing view with the goal of convincing ''future'' participants in the discussion, the ones that have yet to form a view and will be weighing your view versus your opponents. It is those participants you need to target in order to have the biggest impact. And if the outcome of the discussion doesn't go your way today, that's fine. At least you have stated your view today, so that future editors looking back can read it and consider it in a new light. ] (]) 09:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC) 13827:::::::I therefore think it necessary to highlight this at the very start--especially because people with outside experience expect some degree of stability in large organizations, which they will not find here. It's regrettable having to start off with a warning that nothing you do will necessarily keep you out of trouble, but such is the situation. In formal organizations there is authority to appeal to, when needed for bypassing obstructive people, but there is deliberately nobody here with authority over content. Nor in most places is there such a wide contrast between our theoretical very open acceptance of newcomers, and our apparently ineradicable suspicion of them. The apparent rule is not "everybody can edit, but "everybody can edit, unless it's about a subject your deeply care about--and even so you must learn our rules before starting, though there is no practical way to learn without extensive experience here." if you do things our way, but it is impossible to learn what it is without a few years of experience.I will try a rewrite based on putting this at the beginning, not the end. 9674::::::::::::That prevailing wisdom is exactly what I am disagreeing with. I think it produces very low quality barely possible articles. Letting them edit directly produces either acceptable articles if somebody helps them, or rejected articles from which they might learn something. I am faced with two choice: one is to spend my time u-grading this afc-passed articles, and thus single-handedly work indefinitely to restore credibility to a system ; or start looking for arguments for deletion of such articles, which means expanded the interpretation of what we consider promotional writing that is unimprovable and needs deletion, or narrow the limits of what sort of references we accept for articles on organizations & people connected with them, or possibly trying to change the deletion criteria otherwise. I have made comments at a few current AfDs that show my try at this approach. In other words, the flood of junk has done to me what similar things have turned to others, turned me into a deletionist. ''']''' (]) 14:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC) 13878::::::::Regarding experience, I think the community should be able to expect a professional-quality engagement and professional-quality content from companies, the same way journalists expect professionalism. I'm working on getting to that level that I think should be routine. Journalists don't typically have to do much with contributed articles we offer them. The obvious (yet unrealistic) feedback is to ask editors to do volunteer work first. I suppose you could say I'm working on the private-sector solution to the experience problem. Volunteers shouldn't have to drain the community's resources (except when they choose to voluntarily, because they enjoy it) to literally work for free FOR the paid editor. So someone like me gets the paycheck, by convincing someone like you to do the work for me. On the other hand, I hope many editors will collaborate with me, because they just enjoy doing so and see value in my contributions. What we can do though is provide better instructions (the best we can). 11896:::It was thrown together quickly this morning. If you are inclined, I would love to have your participation. I've asked only a few editors whom I know have different ideas about Knowledge in general, as to get a balanced approach to it. It is targeted for PR/Marketing people who are new to Knowledge, who very often get blocked right out of the gate, as you observe. This is one reason I invited Orangemike, as this might be a tool he would use via UAA concerns, Nobody Ent, Kim Dent-Brown, The Bushranger and others who have unique and valuable perspective and of course you, whose opinions I always appreciate. I'm hoping to get others to pitch in on the actual content, as I don't wish it to be solely my opinion and words, but clearly a community "help" guide. And I'm not married to the name either. Would like to hear other opinions on that at the talk page. With help, I don't think it would take a great deal of time to get this up to par since the scope is narrow enough. ] - ] ] 17:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC) 5495:::::But the best first line towards improvement is avoiding certain comments that are known to be especially dangerous.These are the expected--any reference to age, or race, or nationality, or sex, or religion; or using words some people thing are taboo. Reflections on people's education are tricky--much more than the others, they may be an actual problem, and, in this encyclopedia, they can be connected sometimes with age and first-language; I've learned to avoid these also. But the basic rule remains, that in a very public setting, where you are interacting with a range of individuals of unknown identity and background, with extremely variable preferences and expectations for formality, and a wide range of expectations, it is necessary to be extremely careful how you say and do things. It might sound like this is asking a lot: but we're all trained in language use and interpersonal interactions from infancy, and even children are aware of the concept of hurting other people's feelings. 15392::'''1'''The article on the characters has real content essential to the understanding of a creative work that would not adequately fit elsewhere. For a long running show, the material can be too complex for a single article. (I make no comment about the quality of the creative work, because I have never seen any of it. But from similar works I do know, I have observed that the understandable way of presenting the material is to discuss the characters, not just go scene by scene through each episode.) '''2.''' In the past, information of characters has tended to be eliminated by slow attrition if not kept separately. If this were to change, I would not support most separate character articles, though I would support their content. One of the problems with Knowledge is that we have no way of making a decisive ruling on content, only on article inclusion. '''3.''' And if I had to choose between both articles or neither, I would accept both. ''']''' (]) 03:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 6803:

Knowledge community) a great service: well trained NPPers so that the amount of ''crap'' finding its way to the Encyclopedia while we prevent damages due to over-active (or the opposite: far to easy) NPPers that still need to find their way in analysing new articles in a corect and consistent way. It does ask a bit from the experienced NPPers as they will have to take a potential NPPer under his wings and be his mentor during his (or her) training period. But I do think that the pay-out is worth it: Wiki does need a fresh supply of volunteers who do some of the more unthankful jobs - but when you setup a good training and monitor/buddy program you will be rewarded by getting good NPPers on board. (And such a program where a NPP gets a good training and support at the start of his career might endorse people to volunteer for the job: I can imagine that some people are put off of being a NPP because they are afraid that they would make errors and then get blamed for it).

9735::You are asking me what way I would recommend to you or marketing professionals generally? I give you the same advice I have always given: to learn to write articles that will be considered unquestionable acceptable. There may be no agreement on the boundary of what is just barely acceptable, but there is general agreement about what is absolutely not acceptable. For an editor to try to make their articles just passable is folly--there is almost a guarantee that they will often lose them. The only sure way to keep them is to make them good enough to resist challenge. All cut-rate paid editing is doomed whenever the standards rise. And there's an inherent difficulty to making them excellent: excellent articles here cannot be written by a single person. it requires not polished work, but work good enough and open enough to encourages others to polish it. Unless you write articles that disinterested people want to make even better, they will always be vulnerable. 3763::::I don't have enough information to judge your assessment of the reliability of those old 19th and early 20th century encyclopedias, but since I know that you are a librarian, I will defer to your expertise. That being said, I think that we should keep articles referenced only to those sources, because there is a clear potential to expand and improve these articles. I spent some time a year or so ago working on an article about a real 19th century "character", ]. It took a lot of in-depth online searches, refining my search terms and developing techniques to separate the wheat from the chaff. But I was able to uncover lots of reliable source material in a week or two of effort. I think the same can be said of an article like this one. An editor could take this on as a personal project, as I did with Mr. Yount, and a much better article could result. If we delete the article, the chances for that outcome are greatly reduced. ] ] 04:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC) 9919:::But both of us are of the opinion that some degree of consideration for the essential parts of WP:Before is part of WP:Deletion Policy. We've both been here long enough not to judge an article's possibilities on the basis of what is in the present version, and we both define "sourceable" as meaning able to be sourced, and "verifiable" as able to be verified. Both of us are know the limitations of the Googles well enough to be fairly sophisticated at searching them, & we are both aware there are other sources also. We don't expect others to be as thorough as we would--if everyone was, we'd have no need to even comment, because many articles would never get nominated for deletion. We do hope for a moderate degree of inventiveness & imagination, for most of the people here are rather good at those two mental characteristics. We do expect people will not try to judge notability in fields were they wouldn't be able to find sources if they existed. 6885::There have been considerable discussions about how to do this, and , like your suggestion , most of the suggestions have been in the direction of requiring some qualification for NPP. Ideally, this would be without adding any additional bureaucracy to the already over-bureaucratic system. It is not just Prod: I think experience is showing that improper Prod and especially AfD templates are at least as much harm as speedy to the people who receive them. Not necessarily for over-deleting articles--in principle admins are supposed to be careful in what they speedy, check carefully all expired prods, and come to correct conclusions at AfD. Admins do not necessarily do any of these very well==the error rate is at least 5% and probably more like 10-15% in each direction for each process (5% might be the best we can do on average, 15% is much too high) And I am equally concerned about things that do not get caught by the inexperienced, especially copyvio. 20186:

much occasion to converse with him and establish a huge degree of direct rapport. Even so, in community spaces I frequently saw him bring considerable insight and a thoughtful perspective to discussions, and over time his is definetly a name that I had come to associate with quality contributions and a considered, deliberate, and purposeful approach. He clearly put a lot of care into figuring out how he saw a given issue, and then even more consideration into how to relate that outlook. I honestly never saw him comment that he didn't seem like a steady hand, ever respectful of the consequences of his words and positions. These are qualities I respect not just in a Wikipedian, but in a person of good moral conscious, who makes themselves valuable to their fellow person. I'm heartened to see from the above that this worth does not seem to have been lost on the community as a whole: this is one community member whose example we should not soon forget.

3557:::The case is not helped , of course, by the comparison that's made to ], which has several good third party sources, and would almost certainly pass AfD. When someone says , but X has an article, there are three possibilities. Most commonly, X is famous, and then almost always the proposed subject is hopelessly non-notable & the claim is absurd—naïve but well-meaning editors argue this a lot, often for self-published authors. Also common, is that X is in fact borderline notable at best, and quite possibly should be deleted also—spammers often use this argument & there's an obvious course to follow, which usually stops their questioning, though it will hardly satisfy them. But, rarely, it is a reasonable protest: either we are generally inconsistent in the area involved, in which case it should go to AfD, to take its chances in the coin toss, or there actually was an error in evaluating X. ''']''' (]) 00:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC) 9755::But open editing and professional editing may be inherently incompatible. I have increasing doubts whether anyone in the PR profession can adjust to our manner of writing, and the discussions on and off wiki reinforce them daily. If I continue in the direction I am thinking, and others come to see things similarly, we may end by driving you away at whatever cost to our coverage. The only way you have of resisting it is to such good work that we can not plausibly object to it, and that mean meeting the expectations of an overwhelming consensus. In practice a few people here who persist in objecting can cause a stalemate. And this will affect not only the new articles; there are tens of thousands of old ones in equally poor condition. My comments at AfD and Deletion Review will show on a current basis how my thinking develops; it's there in the trenches that I do my work, though I may come here to summarize. ''']''' (]) 03:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC) 6178:::In any given situation at Knowledge , the guideline however written will always require interpretation, and the authoritative place for interpretation is WP:RSN--even though the individual interpretations may be contradict each other; just as the authoritative determination of notability is Deletion Reviews, even though different discussions may contradict each other. An encyclopedia is not a machine-written summary, but a work of creative human judgment about what to include, how to source it, and how to present it. The concept that we just repeat what the sources say in a proportionate way is overly simplistic: it helps teach beginners the principles, but does not actually decide any non-trivial cases. The examples which makes that clearest are the unfortunate widespread use of selective quotation and cherry-icking in controversial articles. I'll get things started by copying this into an essay. ''']''' (]) 02:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC) 12355::::One of the most important things I learned from DGG was ], and its primary importance in deletion discussions. For that I am eternally grateful. Working from some of the sources in ], and Google searches, I was able to add some verifiable citations in reliable sources, most of which are news sources dealing with his work being censored, but also a couple reviews. The artist clearly meets ] based on these. I was unable to verify any of the Collections the artist lists on their website nor do they appear to be notable collections - no museums, mainly hotels and corporate collections), so at this time, it's doubtful if he meets ]. I've tagged the remaining unsourced content with "citation needed" templates; the bulk of the article remains unsourced. I could move the unsourced content to the talk page or leave it as is, whatever the community decides is the best approach. ] (]) 20:28, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 13279:::Thank you for commenting there. I did want to correct the idea that I was advocating using old sources and chronicles exclusively. I am well aware of the problems inherent in using those sources. I do think they should be mentioned within the format you recommended as does Norman F. Cantor, Pulitzer Prize winner Barbara Tuchman and other well known authors. The fact is that the editors there have made absolutely no effort for years to use in-line citations and that is required on En-Knowledge. Because I was and am presently committed to other articles and cannot spend the time on the Hundred Years War articles at this time, I thought perhaps I would give a suggestion for those resources on-line with the presumption that they knew what to do with them and how to use them. Another (minor) thing I wanted to correct was that I am a woman editor. Thankyou again. ] (]) 11:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC) 14789:*For what it's worth, I simply dropped a note at ] in the hopes that the people who profess to work in this area would do something about the articles. I gave some suggestions for renames and mergers at ]. Exactly one person, not even signed up to that WikiProject, volunteered to clean up, and xe then started hitting problems with, and had to waste a lot of time combatting, several administrators going on speedy deletion sprees. This wasn't exactly a productive move on our parts.Remember: The problem with Tobias Conradi is ''not'' poor content, but is — as you can see by reading ] — a complete inability to work collboratively, and indeed even interact reasonably with, other people. So we show him out of the door mercilessly every time that that surfaces; but we don't necessarily obsess over his contributions.] (]) 11:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 8780:*:Sanitizing is a tough one to enforce, as it isn't always obvious. We all have different thresholds for what is acceptable without references, for example. I'm not a fan of paid editing, but part of my concern is the perception of non-admins, who are more important than all the admins combined when it comes to content creation. If we don't draw clear lines, we lower the trust in the admin system overall. And there is no prestige like admin prestige when it comes to editing, in the eyes of the non-admin. Many non-admins are very much afraid to revert a bold edit of an admin, or even speak out about an admin, either assuming "they know best" or fear of retribution. I never was, but you always thought that I sought out trouble unnecessarily anyway ;) That we undermind trust even more, this is a great concern of mine. It is already bad enough. ] - ] ] 22:02, 7 May 2012 (UTC) 20160:

messages about all of his accomplishments in editing here and it does remind us that editing is our chief purpose for being here. We build the encyclopedia to leave a lasting example for current and future generations and hope there will be those that will take up the torch once we pass. But David was so much more than just an editor. He had such a kindness and understanding and it only grew with his experience. So many of us lose sight of that and its easy to become jaded in such a complex world but David championed this cause and lead by example. No doubt each one commenting here has at least one interaction with David that reflects this over the years. His is a light that will never be extinguished because we carry it in our hearts and minds and will never let it go out. His Lifesong is forever a part of ours. David, you will be missed but not forgotten. --

8462::::For that matter, if one argued on the basis of the GNG, we could find for almost anyone who has published one or more important papers that the 2 or more of the papers referencing them contain substantial discussions of their work. This would require examining the actual papers, as the mere fact of being cited does not necessarily or even usually mean there is substantial discussion of the work. If I really tried, I could probably find this for many people even at the post-doctoral level. As this result is contradictory to most people's intuitive feelings on the appropriate contents of an encyclopedia (as distinct from a faculty directory), it shows imo the uselessness of the GNG in this subject. Before the WP:PROF standard became accepted, I did use it when it matched my intuitive view. If we return to GNG-worship, I will go back to using it. 2375:*David was a rock, a mentor, and a friend, in that chronological order and in rapid succession. What a loss. Some people deserve a statue for their contributions to our beautiful project, and David is one of them. Through my talk page archive I see that we go back to at least 2009--in my memory he has always been there for me. Moreover, looking through those old interactions shows just how much I learned from him, and that he truly made this a better place, in terms of content and neutrality and verifiability (the man was a librarian, so of course!), but also in social terms. I met him at Wikimania in DC, we talked for a long time; last time we spoke over the phone was in the middle of the pandemic. I wish I had called him again after that. Ha, there he is, in my address book--"DGG". The name is a concept. ] (]) 14:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC) 15075::As for whether the company is actually notable, the community will decide. In practice, based on experience here, I think it will probably depend upon both the sourcing and on the importance of the games. After all, what makes a company notable except producing notable products? Authors are notable because of the importance of what they write, musicians by what the perform, companies by what they produce. Our practice for authors and painters are fairly clear: two notable works = notability; one work, even, if it is important enough. In practice, for companies we tend to be more restrictive. For companies of this sort, that make intellectual products, it is to some extent a matter of judgment. I don't do the judging. No admin has the right to. Only if we are ''certain'' the community would remove it can we act for them. 18834:

keeping. As years went by, both of us underwent changes in editing patterns in different directions, and for many years now I have rarely encountered him, but when I have done so, I have found that very often he favoured deletion of pages where I preferred to keep. David himself has stated that over the years he moved towards being less of an inclusionist, and I suppose I have moved somewhat in the opposite direction. Consequently, I found myself disagreeing with him on a large proportion of the times when I came across him, one way or the other. However, he was always respectful and constructive, and his opinions, whether I agreed with them or not, were always based on rational grounds, and, despite our differences of opinion, I always had respect for him, and I believe that his death will be a major loss for Knowledge.

8769::The actual danger from an admin is not article-writing but sanitizing; an admin who avoids editing an article can protect it in a preferred version, or chase away those who would change it.) Otherwise, the danger is from ''any'' editor using their prestige to influence the acceptance of content, and no editor who has prestige can avoid that. Therefore all paid editing by experienced people here is dangerous: the only safe way to use our skills is to teach the general public. I will no longer help paid editors with articles or approve it for them, because I would be using not only my skills, which is fair, but my prestige also. Rather, let them write as they see fit, and I shall comment as I see fit. As any teacher knows, while you cannot stop plagiarism, you can require quality. ''']''' (]) 15:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC) 13442::In the other direction, like the earlier article, it is insufficiently detailed. The service consists of a complex of components that needs fuller description--such as geographic and chronological scope. There is no information about financial results, or market share or penetrance. And it is usual to give some information about costs, though not of course detailed pricing. Is it in fact affordable for solo attorneys? Is it found in law schools? Are there academic rates? Is it intended ' exclusively for "lawyers and legal professionals." I am aware that comp-anies often consider some of this proprietary information, but the expectation of an encyclopedia is that it will provide whatever can be publicly sourced, and such things are probably mentioned in the articles about it. ''']''' (]) 18:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC) 12109::There are two difficulties: one is that the content the company wants to contribute only has a partial overlap with what the reader needs. Readers do not want to hear why the company thinks it had good products, they want to hear facts about the products, including references to published independent opinions of them the company may have collected. From this they will make their own judgments of value. The other is that the style of presenting material is different when you're outside the material, and I am not sure how practical it is to expect most people whose professional careers have been within one framework, to adopt another. (There are analogous difficulties for people who have spent their career writing academic papers or computer manuals or music reviews.) ''']''' (]) 03:46, 8 June 2012 (UTC) 5506:::::(There are some people who unfortunately are not, and may indefinitely require guidance; one special aspect is that people with these difficulties are often attracted to our relatively impersonal setting; though we say WP is not therapy, it can be, or at least can be a safe environment--but just as in society generally, it is very difficult to encourage these individuals while also protecting the others, and we therefore will always need mechanisms of isolation. But never punishment--having social difficulties is not anyone's fault in a moral sense (or at least so I like to say, perhaps excusing those of my own). But we are justified in asking those who can control themselves to do so, and educating those who for whatever reason have not learned the expected standard——and gently removing the others. 15436::::::The fictional characters article you mentioned has substantial real world commentary. The requirement, in any case, applies to the overall coverage of the work of fiction within Knowledge--how the overall coverage gets divided up is a matter not of principle, but convenience. As for the twitter article, there is no point discussing it here: that's what the AfD is for, and I think I've said as much there as would be useful. The decision to merge or separate is based not only on whether the topics can stand alone, but on whether that is the best way to deal with it at Knowledge. There are no firm rules for that, and we consider each case individually. Even the formal WP:N guideline is quite specific that not everything that can technically justify a separate article should necessarily have one. 14767:*DGG, you asked for my thoughts on what we should do next. My personal view before the sockpuppeting came to light was that the article was insufficiently encyclopedic for a standalone article based on the subject, content and lack of sourcing. I'm not at all opposed to a merge of all of these interrelated pages up to the first level where there is enough sourcing and encyclopedia value to maintain articles. whether that be national time, regional, state, country, continental or whatever. With regard to the G5, the policy is clear. Its a valid deletion but there is nothing to stop someone recreating it to replace the deleted content. I'd say that any recreation would be without prejudice to a further listing at AFD or a wider subject area RFC. ] '']'' 08:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC) 3457:::::Ah yes, I had forgotten that context. And so was I,in college--a very valuable experience, especially in facilitating the sort of intercampus experiences only the athletic teams otherwise gave occasion for. But the stimulus is interesting: if I take a turn at NPP, the amount of junk turns me for a while into a deletionist before I catch myself and stop being so unfriendly to all the newcomers. If I take a look at AfD, the number of unwarranted nominations makes me want to give a similarly snappy and unjust response to all of them, with the less than rational thought that if I argue against all of them, maybe there's a chance the good ones will make it. Several good inclusionists have run into trouble here falling into such temptation. ''']''' (]) 23:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC) 13067:::::::* There seem to be lots of articles about political campaigns, elections and demonstrations - what is currently excluded? I would like to see much of that content excluded or constrained as, by its nature, it tends to be too provisional. There not much point in covering a campaign in a speculative way when the eventual result will make much of the speculation worthless. The case of Orville seems different in that its nature seems quite settled and so we are able to write in a reasonably factual way. Its disgusting nature is a matter of style and taste and I fancy I could cover it in a suitably po-faced way. Note that it was I that started the article about ]. My tongue was firmly in my cheek but it still seems good to include such topics. ] (]) 09:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 5248:#As for deletion by request of the author of the article, although Knowledge contributions are licensed irrevocably, sometime people change their mind, and it is good practice to show understanding.. Very often though it makes sense, and we don't want to embarrass people by a public discussion. If the reason is not immediately obvious to me, I ignore such requests or ask for a reason. Sometimes it's because the author realizes the difficulty of writing an adequate article, and doesn't want an inadequate one to stand. Sometimes, the author is not convinced it will hold up at AfD, and would rather avoid a very public process about it--our AfD process is apt to make a mountain out a a molehill. (In this case, guessing from the author's talk p., I think both reasons apply.) 6782:

assistant NPP / NPP in training has indeed spotted the correct articles for SD and if he uses the correct reasons for deletion. If not the experienced patroller explains to the assistant patroller what went wrong; give him feedback how to correctly recognize SD candidates etc. Once the aNPP reaches a consistant quality and a low rate of incorrect nominations he can then be promoted to a real patroller: in this way new NPP's can learn the job in a correct manner and safely make the errors evey new starting NPPer will make. Only if people who write the articles would specifically look for the hidden SD template would know that a ''NPP in training'' has analysed the page: when you are not looking for the hidden SD template you never know that it was considered as a SD candidate.

12176:::Oops, forget about my email. I have your email address and submitted it to the reporter. I agree with your assessment above. I'm using the term "ethical Knowledge engagement," because "paid editing" entails writing the entire article, instead of using a collaborative process. On the other hand, for smaller yet notable companies, there is very little controversy and fewer interested editors. So I think the approach will vary, especially depending on the amount of controversy/negativity. The other issue is what I'll call the "ethics tax" - meaning it is much faster, cheaper and more effective to edit Knowledge "less ethically" (but perhaps more risky). One of the reporter's questions were "what is the ROI of ethics?" I get this question a lot. ] 01:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC) 7392:::he's now been unblocked by another ed., with essentially unanimous agreement; it now remains to deal with the admin doing the block. I am a little puzzled, because much though I disagree with that admin both in detail and general approach to Knowledge, this is much weirder on several levels than anything I recall from any admin: blatant involvement; incident 8 days old; block for a reason given in deprodding when ''any'' deprod reason is acceptable; block for the reason being false when it was both technically correct and totally justified; continuing lack of understanding that it was wrong; intention of the admin to continue to pursue the grievance against the editor; continuing violation of NPA even in the discussion. ''']''' (]) 22:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC) 15289::Even more than a film not qualifying for CSD, a concept for a film, or a concept of any sort, does not qualify for CSD--it's much too uncertain a thing to be unquestionable.. Nor does it qualify for an undoubted hoax, because an undoubted hoax is something that can be seen to be a hoax on the face of it. There have been enough disputes over the application of NOT CRYSTAL to keep that criterion out of CSD territory. If you really want to argue for this, draw up a proposal for ], but I think you will find it difficult to word one that will unambiguously apply and not give false positives. And let's avoid WP:BEANS. I don't see that we need worry that something like this would survive, because 7 days will get rid of it. ''']''' (]) 23:16, 29 June 2012 (UTC) 10300:::::I think it goes without saying that most of the time admins will decide the same: if it were otherwise, we'd have immensely more conflict than now. There will also be a grey zone where doing a particular thing, is not clearly right or wrong. We say doubtful matters should involve the community, but then the question becomes ''which'' matters are doubtful enough to involve the community? In the boundary zone, the decisions are necessarily going to vary from one individual to another. This is beneficial, not harmful. An admin might choose to do only the utterly obvious, but the other matters need to be dealt with also. Discussing the items in the boundary zone is one of the ways by which consensus can change. ''']''' (]) 00:45, 27 May 2012 (UTC) 3244:

to make an article is one of the primary motivating factors for editing. It is however possible that I have misjudged, and the proven discouraging effect of the extremely negative comments that new editors encounter is even worse, and the decrease in this might counterbalance the negative effects of not being able to immediately start an article. The only effective thing I can do in this case is to try to persuade people to diminish the length of the trial, and try to find ways of working with new editors despite the constraints, and, perhaps, try to keep fewer promising articles from being rejected via the article creation process--at present, too many of the few people working there insist on a good quality, rather than just an acceptable article.

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probably don't know this but until last year, David regularly came to the expiring draft page and "rescued" promising drafts some of which were improved and made it to main space. I've been working with expiring drafts for a few years now and, believe me, there are very few editors who spend their time improving other editors' drafts unless there is an existing relationship between the two editors, like through a WikiProject. It's a very selfless activity to spend time on improving a new editor's work. But I think what I valued most about David was his integrity, he was a true believer in Knowledge and what it stood for. Even when I disagreed with him about certain points, I admired his unwavering belief in the value of this project. I will miss him.

2342:*Very sad to hear this news. Condolences to his friends and family, and to all those in the New York Wikimedia community who knew him - it is clear from the tributes above and those in the obituary being drafted that he was much loved and held in great affection by those who knew him. I didn't know him as well as I would have liked (I knew him mainly through his on-wiki work and during a brief crossover point in arbitration), and don't believe I ever met him in-person (at least not properly), but he was one of the best of Wikipedians, working tirelessly to improve and advance the project. His erudition and professional background shone through in his work on Knowledge, setting an example that will live on. RIP David. ] (]) 02:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC) 15447::::::Personally, I have come to realize that WP:N is a guideline whose entire meaning depends on the way in which we choose to interpret it. In particular, the GNG was conceived in a simpler time when we thought there was a clear distinction between reliable and unreliable sources. Most actual contested AfD decisions depend not on the plain meaning of the guideline, but the interpretation of the various aspects of "reliable". How can it be otherwise? The world is not divided into notable and non notable, and there is only a clear boundary when we adopt some artificial fixed distinction that does not depend on the vagaries of available referencing. The entire meaning of notability is what ''''we''' collectively want to put into Knowledge. 13858::::::::Indeed. I find analogies with traditional publishing very effective here. Someone in my position is only a "paid" editor in comparison to those that contribute for free. In working with professional journalists, we would both be paid. It's largely a perception problem that my work is comparable to volunteer work. Only ~20% of my job is writing articles. The rest is education, consulting and content negotiation, with up to 50+ internal stakeholders at a single company(the record so far). Molding companies to work incrementally, voluntarily accept a lack of control and endorse extreme honesty and transparency is an intricate task. An article I could write in 8 hours as a volunteer would take 8 months as a consultant. It's hard work!! 7015:::Anyway: I do fully understand that we do need NPPs, but we also need to make sure NPPs work according to a high standard: preventing good articles to be marked as SD candidates and at the same time preventing bad articles to be passed as checked. Even when an article 'only' being marked for SD (or even slow/normal deletion) is really very de-motivating and newcomers who find their very 1st article to be marked for deletion is a near guarentee to never see another article from that author again: even if the article never got deleted. I do think that we do need a quality control on NPPs : or a requirement in the sense of that a potential NPP has to have experience in writing (new) article himself or by being assistant NPPer first. 857:* David was one of the Knowledge editors and admins I respected the most. Even when I disagreed with them, his insightful comments always made me stop and think and wonder if he was actually right after all, and his knowledge about academic subjects might well be one of the best Knowledge has ever had. I know he worked closely with {{u|Kudpung}} on trying to bring out the best in the NPP / AfC procedures, and that's another thing he'll be missed for. I never met him but I got a chance to meet face to face and chat briefly at one of the NY meet-ups when they were online - I wanted to talk about NPP / AfC a bit but I was distracted by other things, so never got the chance. A sad loss :-( ] ] ] 17:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 3837:::it's an appropriate article; I'm not sure there is a really standard term. The one I used in teaching was ''guides to the literature''. The most common beginning words of the titles of such books is however, A guide to information sources in (subject), In any case, it can be much expanded, and I will do so: I know of over a hundred, many in multiple editions. Perhaps it should be List of guides to information sources, because dozens of them are notable individually--there will be substantial reviews for most of them; or perhaps not, because there are some that should be included but may not be, and, more important, I don't immediately want to write all the articles. ''']''' (]) 16:06, 3 November 2011 (UTC) 13420::Glad you asked. Your article is an improvement, though I would have used more of the existing comment and references. But it is promotional. You should replace most of the repeated mentions of the name with a phrase such as "the service' or "it". You use too much PR jargon, such as "real-time" and "all-inclusive predictable pricing model" You have an uncited, though certainly plausible, opinion about the motives of the company-- And it is not reasonable to end with a sentence praising the firm. You might in fact want to look for other opinions on that sponsorship--I would be surprised if someone didn't consider it a potential threat to a free resource, by making it dependent upon a commercial competitor. . 13918:::::::::BTW, something I learned from you was how policies and guidelines are just a North Star as it were, that rely on good judgement from impartial volunteers; how their interpretation can vary. I applied that principal in my volunteer work here, resolving a dispute through good judgement instead of policy citation wars. I could see us working something similar into the essay. I think requesting factual corrections, sharing sources, etc. is fairly straightforward and non-controversial, but making substantial content contributions is where we could take a more reserved stance, expressing that most companies can't meet Knowledge's content needs and editors may or may not be helpful. ] 00:22, 24 June 2012 (UTC) 14559::When I started here, I wondered how a system with a thousand equally powerful admins who could all revert each other could possibly exist. I soon learnt the subtleties of wheel warring--there were some major arb com cases on it during my first year here which pretty much defined the limits. But more important, I also learned that even the more quarrelsome spirits here understood the virtues of mutual forbearance--and that even the most self-sufficient people do not really want to look publicly foolish. Our balance is I think over-inclined to protecting the guilty if they are popular enough, but it is not as bad as it could be, or as it often is in human societies. ''']''' (]) 03:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC) 10563:::What I say in an edit summary when I deprod is the reason i deprodded. it is not intended as a statement of policy. I consider ambassadors notable; I can't say consensus would support this 100% of the time, for consensus at AfD can depend on how carefully the matter is researched & argued—and on who happens to show up. I see no reason why an ambassador to the US should be more notable than an ambassador from the US -- or indeed any pair of countries. Checking, it seems about half the US ambassadors are career civil servants; the others are political or civic or business figures who are often even more notable for their outside careers. ''']''' (]) 00:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 3373:

company being first at numerous things, etc. As a side note, I don't know (and maybe you don't want to make public) how your conversations with NoRaft went, but I support the idea of working ''with'' paid editors, not just blanket forbidding them (since we can't even do that successfully anyway). I honestly don't get why Jimbo thinks that such involvement is now and has always been forbidden and everyone knows that and no one disagrees. I totally accept that ''he'' opposes it, and even accept the idea that he/WMF can make a fiat rule against it, just not his idea that there is an obvious and overwhelming consensus that agrees with him. ] (]) 02:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

9634:::::::::::Someone at AfC was actually commenting their standards were too high, leading to a huge backlog, when the point is merely to publish articles that would survive an AfD. They also commented that 90% of submissions are never published, suggesting that blocking articles from creation was their mission as much as creating them. Do you think we should be AfDing ]? Or if not, what can we do to make it less advert? I've only done a dozen or two AfC submissions and I found the process extremely efficient. But I'm just learning, so humbly interested in your feedback. I noticed we consistently had different answers in AfDs and it's interesting to be on the other side. 5440::There's even more serious aspect: when experienced people in a group can get away with behavior newcomers can not, it implies an hierarchy, a non-welcoming attitude. a sense of exclusiveness. It's a collective version of OWNERSHIP: the longer you're here, the more you own the encyclopedia. If we do welcome newcomers, the longer a person is here, the great should be their politeness. It's the same as an expert trying for OWNership of an article: for a true expert, their edits will prove it. If those of longer standing have the ability to determine our practice, it will be because their experience enables them to best explain it. ''']''' (]) 22:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 8802::::*I would agree with "No admin can be a paid editor" in theory, but then it would just happen without disclosure. Really, an admin shouldn't, even if a non-admin does. Pick one, a paycheck or the mop. And while you and I will look down on admins taking money, the average editor would only see the "admin" button on their page, and would still hesitate to revert. Most editors don't know the reputation of any admin, and think of admins like they would in a forum: the guys that can block you. Most don't bother and are not interested in the political side of Knowledge. I wasn't even recently, until I saw some of the side effects. ] - ] ] 00:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC) 491:<blockquote>There is more than one valid way of working here. Some people prefer to create only high quality articles, even though they may do very few of them. Some prefer to create many verifiable articles of clear notability even though they may not be of initially high quality. As this is a communal project, I think every individual person is fully entitled to do whichever they prefer, and the thing to do about people who prefer otherwise than oneself is to let them work their way, while you work yours. The only choice which is not productive is to argue about how to do it, rather than going ahead in the way that one finds suitable.</blockquote> 3435:::I have sometimes used pseudo-links like these as a statement for their own sake, without writing an actual essay. I remember saying something like this, but I can't find it. I think this one was TALKINGSOMUCH... -- but I can't find it either. As for the problem, I've commented pretty extensively at AN/I: , and will comment at the RfC also, But please don't confuse the reasonable message, with which I am in agreement -- that Deletion Policy is overbalanced towards deletion, and one step towards rebalancing it would be to require some version of WP:BEFORE -- with the unreasonable way it is being over-expressed. ''']''' (]) 23:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC) 5517:::::The excuse of intellectual brilliance does not apply here: this is a communal setting, though some people may not at first realize that. Even the best of contributors, who can not or will not avoid offending other contributors will need to find a setting where they can work without doing harm. Even those who are most readily to hurt others can very readily take offense themselves——AN/I or RfC/U are good places to observe this; I rather doubt many of those who say it does not matter to them, and that this should be an environment where everyone is expected to be tough and impervious, both taking and giving.''']''' (]) 02:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC) 14537::You are quite correct--I was oversimplifying. Sensible new admins do only the ones that are totally obvious while they are starting--it must be very discouraging to have people revert your first admin actions, and I've seen that happen. And it is true that I will make a point of checking speedy nominations others have thought it wise to pass by, and AfDs that people don't seem to want to close; I know some others do just the same, which is how we keep long lags from developing. But I had in mind also a few long term admins who actually do decide almost all equivocal cases as delete. To expand on what you have said , in a direction of my own, 9654:::::::::::On the other hand, the prevailing wisdom of pro-paid editing advocates is that the community has an obligation to help COIs and in a hurry, quick, before they edit themselves! As a result, many posts in the <nowiki>{{request edit}}</nowiki> queue or paid editor help board lead to volunteers swooping down and spawning vast discussions on content of relatively little value. This works to make a short-term point, but it's not scalable were the process done en-masse. I've been somewhat duplicating the AfC process like this to clear out the queue. What do you think? ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 07:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC) 5548::::the word came up because the use of it has been a prominent example in the manifold recent discussions. To say we should not insult other people by using the word does not mean we should avoid using it frankly when the word itself (or the subject) is the matter being discussed. Accusations of unjustified rudeness are rather common; I said I sometimes receive some after I've deleted an article, no matter what I've actually said. I would never support a rule that we act too strongly on even true rudeness if it's sporadic, but we should act firmly and consistently when it becomes habitual or defiant. ''']''' (]) 01:27, 18 January 2012 (UTC) 1671:* David was one of the original and first "Knowledge librarians", a professional who saw contributing to the encyclopedia as mirroring his professional work. He was irascible and funny, and loved to meet and talk with fellow librarians. We chatted often about libraries and Knowledge, and how to bring the two closer together. He offered me space in his house to stay during the first WikiConference North America (and use of a metro card), and for all his gruffness he and his family were warm and welcoming. He was in every sense a great Wikipedian, librarian, mentor and friend. -- ] / (]) 17:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 6944::we already do have a way of dealing with people who do not want to be monitored: we monitor them. This is an open wiki, and people who edit inappropriately, whether at NPP or anywhere else, attract attention. When I do NPP, it is primarily to check on the work of other new page patrollers, as well as people with auto-confirmed who use that privilege improperly. When I became an administrator, it was for the stated primary reason of looking for deleted articles that could be rescued. We also already have a mentoring system, ] --anyone who wants can ask, and people do ask; I just added a mention there about the possibility. 15348::I missed the "one year" mark, being sick and in the hospital, and just wanted to add that I enjoyed the interactions I had with David. He was older than I by fourteen years. He was the same age as my sister who was, like David, an inspiration. He actually shaped, or I should state reshaped, some of my ideologies concerning Knowledge. I would laugh, actually out loud, when I would see any of his typing errors. I could just imagine him saying "just fix it". DGG, I think I can safely state for many editors, you are missed. Our song choices may not match but this reminds me of a song ] sang: ]. -- ] (]) 08:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC) 9715::My solution is entirely orthoodox: to enforce high standards on articles. There are multiple ways of going about it, and the total independence of every individual editor here ensures that everything anyone thinks a good idea will go on simultaneously. I have no way of imposing higher standards on afc; there is no way of imposing on me to accept lower. If people do not agree on an article, the community decides at AfD, and the result will be unavoidable inconsistent. Such are the rules of play, & such they are likely to remain. Those who wish to engage here must work within them or they will fail in their purposes. 8407:::All full professors at major research universities have sufficiently demonstrated that they are recognized experts in their subject to meet WP:PROF,and that WP:PROF is an alternative to WP:GNG. This is not a formal rule, but almost all AfD have had this result, except in fields where people here have doubts about the rigor, such as Education. (Major: in the US, Research Extensive in the Carnegie Classification + schools of similar rank; elsewhere, similar level). The rationale for this is that this is the basis on which people are promoted to such rank at such universities, and their judgment is more reliable than ours.) 15540:*Thank you, {{u|Atsme}}, for this fitting tribute. I learned a lot from DGG. When I was a fairly new editor, I disagreed with him about a notability issue and I explained my reasoning quite carefully. He responded something like, "You have made some excellent points and have changed my mind." I also remember that he did not like being called an administrator or ArbCom member in routine content discussions. He thought that all editors should be seen as equals in content matters, and only the quality of each editor's argument should matter. He was a fine man and a kind man, and I miss him. ] (]) 08:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC) 10256:::More generally, I am not sure of the advice I gave above, which you quoted. It is my intention if the person insists further to restore the article and fix it myself. In fact, when I re-read the source this morning, I may do that even if not requested. (This is part of the general problem more often seen at BLP PROD: if there is an unsatisfactory article, and we know we can fix it by a careful sourcing or rewrite,rather than delete it, should we do so? I think what we should best do in such circumstances is to try as much as reasonable to get the ed to do it themselves, and that is what I was trying to do above.) 13078:::::::::* I have always admired your great skill with these topics. People will always disagree about individual cases. To me, the GCM has clear very high notability because of the book, without any irony. I differentiate between history and current gossip. As for politics, tho it is not an exact analogy, I am thinking about the quite successful campaigns to remove articles related to Gitmo, and also articles about small splinter parties, left and right--not of trivial events in political campaigns, where I more or less agree with you about the tendency for overemphasis. ''']''' (]) 23:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 4981:::Finally, the wholesale elimination of the dozens of sections , some of them from major articles, in the course of a few days, done without discussion--and especially the reverts when people restored them-- were unconstructive. Even from your point of view, indiscriminate over-hasty zeal diminishes the value of what you were doing. You use the word "chainsawed." It was an accurate description, but perhaps you didn't mean to use it, for that word has the implications of vandalism. Had you instead taken out the worst of the junk, it would have been a positive contribution. ''']''' (]) 02:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC) 6445:::yes, I'll get back there. But as you can see from the item just above,I do not have the luxury of being able to concentrate on any one thing here. sometimes everything appears equally important. And, as you can also see from the line it italics there, everything seems inter-related. We can't improve articles without more people. We can't get more people unless we fix our processes of working with articles. We can't stop to fix our processes when there are so many urgently needed specific actions such as the flood of promotionalism. So I try to work by turns everywhere. ''']''' (]) 22:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 9908:::I decide on the merits of an article by my own judgment. I then look at what other people said, to see if there is an argument that might convince me otherwise. Similarly, sometimes people who in a particular case think as I do use similar arguments as mine. (And why ever would I give an argument if I did not intend to convince others to agree with it?) Uncle G and I think alike for many articles, but not always, and I have differed from him at times in every possible direction. In that first article you mention my judgment was a little different from both of them. In the others I have not yet commented. 5237:#Personally, I think we should never have ever adopted the word "notability". It operationally has a meaning peculiar to us, what is called a "term of art", meaning only the question whether there should be a separate Knowledge article; I think we should be deciding how much coverage to give the subjects that are of different grades of importance: varying from none at all, to a complex set of related articles. But people here like what might appear to be simple yes-no distinctions——but then they find themselves quarreling endlessly about everything anywhere near what they thought was a clear the borderline. 18317:

importantly) a fellow editor (where his input never failed to uplift any discussion he added it to), but in person through not just many, many meetings of Wikimedia—NYC, but many Wikimanias he attended ... it was not only nice to see a familiar face, and hear a familiar voice, in London and Cape Town (among others), but when he did I felt proud to be part of WM-NYC, for he represented us so well through his presence and commentary/questions, his voice the same in person as it was online, always earning the respect it always got. He is one of the few Wikipedians whose house I have visited, whose spouse I met.

10530::::All that is needed to remove a prod is a disagreement that it should be deleted without a community discussion. Prods are for deletions that nobody is expected to contest. The way I judge it, is that it's the highest level of the profession. If you want to go by GNG, I would not rule it out without looking for sources in the country the person is accredited to as well as that which he comes from. In the past we've made the distinction between ambassadors who are notable, and consuls, who are not usually. As always, the community will either agree with me, or not. ''']''' (]) 16:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC) 13056::::::I am undecided about that we should do in such matters in general. There can be no fixed boundaries for this, as it is not quantifiable. It has to be by the general judgment of the people who care here, which in practice gives great weight to the opposite extremes of sensationalism and snobbery. My only real concern is that we seem to have a bias to including disgusting events, and excluding political ones--by own bias is just the opposite. I'd accept the disgusting if we could get the political. I'd accept any lower level, in fact, if we could get the political.''']''' (]) 16:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC) 10552:::::The one I did prod was an ambassador to Uganda and was a career civil servant. I highly respect DGG's opinions and have many written down as reference. However, deProdding with the edit summary saying "Ambassadors are notable" is misleading. Ambassadors are not automatically notable, especially where the majority of ambassadors for the U.S are political appointments who donated the most to a campaign. I have no problem with stating in the edit summary that you believe this person is notable, but don't say "Ambassadors are notable" as it sounds like Knowledge policy. ] (]) 00:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 5484:::::Anything can upset people, especially if it's connected with rejecting their work. There is no intervention, however well meant and however careful, that is truly safe--I've had people upset with approaches that essentially amount to , "let me help you make a better article"--especially with autobio, where people tend to think they have written the obviously perfect article. Whatever people take offense with, I apologize for, and apology helps, if perceived as sincere, and if it's more than "I'm sorry it had a bad effect on you" but rather along the lines of "I made an error, and I will fix it." 11175::Please provide some information on the talk page of the old article. Include the web site, etc., so I can verify. You also should provide references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but ''not'' blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases. Any language will do. I will deal with inserting it correctly. I gather the old pictures are no longer applicable, so you will need to upload one or two new ones with a free license. And see ] and ]--anyone can edit the p., not just you. ''']''' (]) 17:34, 7 June 2012 (UTC) 9775:::Thanks DGG. In any hot-button issue those with the most extreme points of view are most vocal, so I'm glad I actively probed you for something more middled. I think this is similar to how I think of it. Just like any media, Knowledge has content needs and we need to learn how to fulfill those needs with the same degree of professional expertise as we do in other mediums. Did you know we (as marketing professionals) have vast amounts of data on what makes the most viral tweet, the most compelling blog post and years of experience pitching timely stories to the media - yet we are lost on Knowledge. 6233::I have just seen your extremely helpful reply above and, as I was reading it, I thought it would be well worth making into an essay. I am glad you think so too! Coming from a scientific background I had no difficulty in understanding that WP "original research" was merely a term of wikispeak and that "verifiability" is such an odd word that it could have no obvious connotation. However, it took me a long time to realise that, when people were saying "primary", "secondary" or "tertiary", they were meaning something quite unlike anything I had understood. ] (]) 19:35, 23 February 2012 (UTC) 12754::::::::::Of course they would prefer entries that meet their immediate needs; such is the nature of capitalism, It is our obligation to do the work to see they can not get what they would prefer when it conflicts with the principle of providing encyclopedic information. Everything you say leads to the conclusion that promotionalism must be removed, I think in the end we will be able to do so only at the cost of abandoning the principle of anonymity. It is folly to think that we here now have constructed something that can not be improved upon. ''']''' (]) 21:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC) 5259:#As for the article in question, he's an author of multiple books that have been published by a reputable publisher and are fairly widely held in libraries-- see ; if they have substantial reviews, he meets WP:AUTHOR. However, depending on the extent of the reviews, the books seem rather routine, and that publisher, while often publishing books of very high quality and significance, also sometimes publishes works of quite minor importance. If someone brought it to AfD, there are others things I'd think better worth the effort of defending. ''']''' (]) 06:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC) 2475:*I mostly knew DGG from countless AfDs that we both participated in over the past 15 years; he was always thoughtful and considerate, including to me even when i used to like to go bonkers in AfD. Folks like DGG, being older than the average Wikipedian, show us (and showed me, because I needed to see it) that every day in life is a day we can be curious and contribute and enjoy.--''']''' • ]] 15:16, 26 April 2023 (UTC) 4518:::I think I've been there. There's such a simple rule to follow: high schools yes, others no, that I can't see why anyone would bother except those who really want to argue the details of sourcing for 50,000 individual articles. I can see Knowledge as a good place for those who like to argue, and sometimes I'm one of them, but there are more interesting things to argue about--some of which even have significant consequences, and a few of which represent the highest goal of human understanding, helping development of one's ethical principles. ''']''' (]) 03:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC) 1748:*I am so sorry to hear about the devastating news. My deepest condolences to the family. DGG's passing is a great loss to the Knowledge community and all those who knew him. It's individuals like him who make Knowledge such an indispensable resource for people all around the world. DGG's legacy will live on through the countless contributions he made to Knowledge and the impact he had on those he touched. His great work and helpful nature impacted many, many people. He was a mentor and a source of inspiration for me. May his soul rest in peace. ] (]) 02:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 9226::A Duke University Press humanities journal of extremely high reputation, from the most important US publisher of such journals. As it contains invited manuscripts only, it does not do peer review of submissions. I do not know to what degree the invited material is reviewed and edited--I imagine by the editors themselves, rather than invited peers of the authors. Humanities journals have various variant of editorial control, and this is a not uncommon method . The proper term I think is "Peer review or the equivalent editorial control" ''']''' (]) 18:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC) 1308:*Absolutely gutted to get home from holiday travel and read this. A true mentor and guiding light. David was one of my first friends here, one of the few Knowledge editors I met in person and the only one I ever spoke with on the phone. We FaceTimed when I returned to active editing and the pure joy in his voice about his grandson were a true light in an upside down world. Our coverage of academic topics will be lesser for your loss. Rest well my friend. You are missed. ] ] 01:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 5363:::::Perhaps it's better to avoid nationalities--to many Americans like myself the offensive style here is more like British pub speech, or more exactly, the constant back and forth of insult in British comedy sketches, rather than random use of occasional bad words that characterizes American adolescents. When people work together, deliberate and repeated use of what others in the group clearly consider insult always has the implication that the others do not matter. Whether ''everyone '' considers it insult is irrelevant. ''']''' (]) 15:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 21379: 15601: 21621:, for this fitting tribute. I learned a lot from DGG. When I was a fairly new editor, I disagreed with him about a notability issue and I explained my reasoning quite carefully. He responded something like, "You have made some excellent points and have changed my mind." I also remember that he did not like being called an administrator or ArbCom member in routine content discussions. He thought that all editors should be seen as equals in content matters, and only the quality of each editor's argument should matter. He was a fine man and a kind man, and I miss him. 3774:::::of course we should keep them--but we should rewrite them with modern sources added--just as you did. That one of these encyclopedias has an article is considered not just as an indication, but a definitive proof of notability , because we include everything in other general encyclopedias. It's just that they is essentially no subject whatsoever where additional knowledge, and very often more accurate knowledge, is not available--just as you found in the one you worked on. You're doing what we should all of us be doing. ''']''' (]) 05:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC) 1220:*I'm always literally grateful to wake up every day. To see that DGG has left us is devastating. I echo somewhat the sentiments above. We die a few times, I think. First one we physically stop, secondly when people stop remembering and talking about us. But for DGG at least there's a third stage, whereby his contributions will persist. I '''hate''' losing decent people, even those I have never met. But I'm also grateful that their earthly gift will continue way beyond their earthly presence. RIP David. ] (]) 22:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 12687:::::::I'm working on an essay: What is promotionalism. I do want to collect what I've said at various places. And I'm also thinking of a group like the Article Rescue Squadron, which I am tentatively naming Wikiproject Promotionalism Removal Unit. But I am concerned with the ideologues as much as the PR community. And remember that no one person can speak for the community, and we do not agree on the approach to this--we only go by formal guidelines to the extent we want to at the moment for each case separately, so everything here will always be erratic. 14570:::I smiled at your closing comment. I had the same, thought, although for the project as a whole, rather than just the admin function. I'm more recent to the project because, when I first heard about it, a few years before actually joining, I thought about the model and decided it couldn't possibly work. Oddly, I still feel that way, intellectually. If there were no such thing as Knowledge, and I heard a proposal to create, my instinct is that it will fail miserably. I actually can't quite put my finger on why it hasn't failed.]] 12:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC) 12732::::::::My opinions are still forming/changing as I become more experienced and based on what I observe, but I have observed that ethical community collaboration takes immense patience, extra work and lower "results" from the sense that most companies would prefer bias entries, which they could obtain through less ethical participation. The survival of EthicalWiki will depend on ethics actually being the most viable route, which means I rely on the community to do a good job screening out poor ethics - an impossible job. ] 13:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC) 11730:

together, not to punish and push away. Often in content discussions we agreed - his was a strong voice for not burning down what has been built. But even when, sometimes, his sense of purity for inclusion differed with my perspective about "pruning the tree to improve health", he made clear his perspective, and was fairly consistent, and was always willing to talk it out. (And could compete with the best of us for large blocks of explanatry text : ) - His is definitely a voice that will be missed. - ] 03:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

1198:* Oh, this is bad indeed, I'm deeply saddened. He was an outstanding editor whose lead I often tried to follow and example I aspired to emulate. We didn't always agree, but he was never dismissive and always ready to explain his point of view. I will miss him (and only now realise that he's been missing for a while already). In case any of his family or friends are reading this, I send you my heartfelt condolences and we could like you to know what an important figure he has been in this strange microcosm of ours. ] (]) 22:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 6211:::::I suspect there will not be complete agreement; but since RS is a guideline explaining the details of the fundamental policy WP:V, the practical course will be to indicate the accepted range of variation rather than try to find an actual single wording--attempts at that are usually either vague, or do not actually have the claimed consensus, because different people go on to interpret it their own way regardless of what gets written. (yes, I propose that as a general approach to writing guidelines) ''']''' (]) 04:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC) 5891:

becoming Knowledge administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community ], were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

12676::::::Maybe I am asking a lot of you, but if you were ever interested in doing a blog post or Q&A style article addressing the marketing community, I would be happy to set that up as well. From my perspective we should be listening to the community more, but the volunteer editorial community doesn't have an army of PR professionals giving them voice or an organized effort to educate marketing professionals. I would like to improve that when and how I can, like the article I did with Robert Lawton. ] 16:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC) 10677::::certainly plagiarism, yes, but also certainly US-PD. Otherwise I would have simply speedy deleted it. I commend the US for its US-PD policy, but it does cause difficulties with material like this. Perhaps we should have a rule that copy of the official source for an organization whether or not PD & whether or not acceptable licensing permission is given is evidence of promotionalism sufficient for deletion. (As you can see, this sort of material is getting me rather frustrated.) ''']''' (]) 07:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 9403::::There is nothing that a person may not want to write about, and a good predictor of what someone might be interested in is that someone else is interested also. Therefore every weak article are not just capable of improvement, but likely to be improved, and most articles get improved eventually. This is not a short-term project. Suppose something might be of interest to one person in a million: ] gets hundreds of million visitors a year, so the problem becomes getting them not only to read, but to improve, articles. 19583: 4948:::first of all, I would never say that everything in these sections was good, but you deleted the entire sections, the good and bad indiscriminately. (What I consider bad is analogies that are not documented or obvious, and of uses in non-notable works or unimportant contexts.) So are you telling me you had examined every item there and found that there was nothing useable in them according to your standards? I don't think so, because you consistently cite the worst, and use it as the justification for everything. 9950:::Words like "substantial" in substantial coverage are not sharply true or false, and the interpretation depends on the circumstances. In fields or geographic areas where the press coverage of everyone of any degree of notability is extensive, it's reasonable to look for more substance than in those fields and places which attract much less attention. (I'm not sure how far Uncle G and Northamerica agree with me on that--I seem to feel much more strongly in requiring full coverage in some subject areas than they do.) 14611:

Sections 4, 5 and 6 ready to review, which should be easy and fast to do in the different format, where I give the opinion, then later on, I give the actual result below it. Only a cursory comment is required on each section if there aren't any errors noted. This assumes you have a little time (Boing has been tied). If you don't have the time, that is fine as well as this is a lower priority than your regular rounds, to be sure. It has been a burden, but a promise is a promise. ] - ] ] 15:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

12564:::::But ethics is just an operational in-the-weeds piece of helping companies inform the world about topics they have a vested interest in through Knowledge. I want companies to stop seeing Knowledge as a liability and start seeing it as an asset. Knowledge isn't just a place where an angry customer or special interest group weaponizes the site to attack companies they don't like; it's a free service to create credible corporate/executive/product profiles in the interest of free knowledge. ] 23:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC) 19354:

always been there for me. Moreover, looking through those old interactions shows just how much I learned from him, and that he truly made this a better place, in terms of content and neutrality and verifiability (the man was a librarian, so of course!), but also in social terms. I met him at Wikimania in DC, we talked for a long time; last time we spoke over the phone was in the middle of the pandemic. I wish I had called him again after that. Ha, there he is, in my address book--"DGG". The name is a concept.

2695:* I just learned about this from the admin newsletter. I am so sorry to hear that you have passed away, DGG. You were an admin that I always looked up to and you will be sorely missed by the community as a whole. If your loved ones ever read this page, may they know that David's memory and contributions live on, as evidenced by his '''320,869''' edits. That is no small accomplishment. I am truly sorry for your loss and wish you all the best. Rest easy, DGG. --] ] 19:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC) 15495:

unwavering dedication. As an administrator and former member of the Arbitration Committee on Knowledge, DGG played a crucial role in maintaining the integrity and quality of our shared knowledge. His contributions were marked by fairness, diligence, and a deep commitment to the values of open access and collaboration. His work here has left an indelible mark, and his absence is profoundly felt. Rest in peace, my friend...your contributions and friendship will never be forgotten. ] ] ] 01:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

10405:::::seems reasonable--just go ahead. I will look at some of the more extensive articles and do some trimming. (and some splitting--they include the bios of the Directors of the various institutes, but these people are sufficiently notable that they should be covered separately). I suggest you copy this discussion onto the talk p. of the project. I appreciate it very much that you're getting this re-started--I confess I had entirely forgotten that I meant to work on this. ''']''' (]) 06:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC) 12066:@] I saw you took care of , which may have been a typo. As we did with Possibly, happy to work on any drafts David had in progress. Can anyone with better search skills help pull a list? @] @] and I managed to rescue all of Possibly's drafts before they were G13ed or after an undelete, I think and I think everyone here would be happy to make sure anything David was working on makes mainspace if possible. ] ] 13:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 20389: 20460:

10729:::The question is not whether the book is scientifically reliable; the question is whether the cite in it that the b.e. is a " time-honored classic" shows notability; reliable in this sense means editorially discriminating in some sensible manner between different books, and it does: it is one of the 2 listed. The book is independent, published by a division of Harpers and is in 300 libraries. I agree it is fringe science at best, but it's notable fringe science. ''']''' (]) 18:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 10267:::the more general issue, that we may not use our authority to delete under the speedy criteria or after an explicit consensus, to delete otherwise, remains. I admit I have violated it on rare occasions, in the spirit of IAR. But using IAR for a single-handed deletion is a very dangerous thing, and perhaps we should all stop doing it. Otherwise it is all too easy for someone to make a case that we are acting on our own prejudices and private interpretations, and perhaps sometimes they will be right. 8451::::Additionally, in the humanities most full professors in the highest level universities-- ,-- have written two or more books that have reviews in RSs for notability, and thus meet WP:AUTHOR. In the very highest level universities, this applies to Associate professors also. In other fields, where tenure usually depends on articles, not books, this doesn't work as frequently, but it sometimes does. Similarly, in the fine arts, many people at various academic levels will qualify by WP:CREATIVE. 11874:

and marketing firms that are joining us, and at the same time avoid taking a stand on the policy or politics of the issue. I am interested in your opinion of the wisdom of this. If you like the concept, please feel free to participate or modify in any way you choose. I'm not married to any format or details in this, it is just a rough draft at this point. I will drop this same note to a few other editors whom I feel would be beneficial in considering this page. ] - ] ] 14:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

14673:] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. {{#if:(This invitation sent because you signed up as a member of ])|(This invitation sent because you signed up as a member of ])}} ] • ] 18:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC){{z48}} ] • ] 18:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC) 2023:* I have a silly self-centered superstition about people who die within the same couple of days being in the same happy “orientation group” in the big fabulous university campus in the sky. I am so grateful that DGG is in the same “pledge class” with ], and vice-versa, two off-the-charts-smart newbies in a crowded room, making friends with everybody from the Curies to Boswell and Johnson, Nabokov and Poe, Salk and Sabin, and Siskel and Ebert. Abyssinia. - ''']''' '']'' 07:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 5473:::::"Don't needlessly disrupt Knowledge" can apply to a great many things. In a sense, it's the basis of all offenses--contributing or commenting in such a way as to make trouble for people. It includes persistently submitting unacceptable articles, or persistent attempts to remove acceptable ones. Or copyvio, edit-warrring, or promotionalism--especially non commercial promotion of a cause. All of these take effort to deal with, and interfere with work directed to building the encyclopedia. 1110:* David, it breaks my heart to hear of your passing. You are not just a rock of the Knowledge community in New York City and beyond, but also a dear friend whose insight and advice have always been well appreciated by myself and others. I and others will always miss you, and may your memory and legacy always be a blessing for the Wikipedians of today and of the generations to come. {{lang|es|Que descanse en paz siempre}}, my friend. --] (]) 20:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21582:

2111:*David was absolutely my first and most important mentor, well over 10 years ago. I still have a quote from him on my user page, in fact, one that helped form my way of engaging here. For me, it was a wonderful experience working with him. We had radically different ideas about life and politics, and it never got in the way because of the respect we had for each other. If anything, we both learned a little. You will be missed, old friend. ] - ] 23:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 3264:

deletions of articles on people who could have been sourced had anyone experienced here had the time & incentive to do it under a deadline--and it has not noticeably decreased the number of incoming unsourced BLP articles. I've given up on getting rid of it, even though it takes a good deal of my time to prevent whatever percentage of inappropriate deletions I manage, and thus has decreased my participation in other things, such as just this sort of policy discussion.

11164::This was back in 2009. The best way to deal with this is to move the old article, update it, and give a cross reference, all of which I can do. . But I cannot do this unless I have some actual information . The article said merely "Scheduled to open in March 2009, PTEM will accommodate staff and students from ] as they make way for a new secondary school to take over their campus in Lambak Kiri. As details are finalised and made available more information will be posted." 21499: 8396::Thanks for weighing in there and, frankly, I wish I had gone on to say what you ended up saying there. Interestingly, there is ] on which your comment that the "most troublesome tag-related problem is edit warring over NPOV tags" directly bears. Your input there might turn the trick like it did at EA. (And, BTW, I hope that I did not misattribute the idea that professors are inherently notable to you. If I did, I apologize.) Best regards, ] (]) 13:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC) 5429::Kudpung refers to insult expressed in polite terms. We need to recognize this as improper also--NPA means no personal attacks, not merely no personal attacks using conventional words of insult. When terms normally considered insulting are used, it aggravates the situation; when terms often used to indicate group membership are so used, it aggravates it further. It not the intrinsic use of any particular word that is crucial to NPA--it just makes NPA easier to prove. 3014:* I had the chance to meet David at ] and we had a short debate about the balance between privacy and the "right to be forgotten" - while we were largely on different sides of the position, his disagreement was very respectful. His contribution to Knowledge and related projects exceeds his 300,000+ edit count (bolstered by thoughtful comments on AfD and AiN) - e.g. obviously ArbCom, but also ]. The community is less for his passing. ] (]) 13:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC) 20481: 11153:

you and the reason A7 was given. I've been a little busy lately but others have since asked me why we no longer have a wikipedia presence. I would like to complete our wiki page and maintain it as we did our old one. Please tell me what I need to do to get off the restricted list and back up and running. I cannot create a new site because our name is now held in limbo. Your help is appreciated. Our old page was ] and our new name is ].] (]) 12:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

5462::::One of the saddest aspects gained by a reputation of of being unpleasant is that it has deterred some people from wanting to submit articles for promotion to quality status. It's already driven most people away from wanting to help the project through promotion to the use of a set of tools. This is clearly not conducive to a healthy collaboration and growth of the project. In other words, it's disruptive. ] (]) 23:36, 16 January 2012 (UTC) 9795:::For years I was an expert among marketing professionals on Knowledge. I did webinars, spoke at local events, consulted people routinely (for free), built a reputation (not intentionally) as the Knowledge guy, when in fact I had only written a hand full of articles and knew very little. Now I am 10x the Wikipedian I once was, and still 10% of where I need to go, yet at 1% of where we should be (my target) I was an expert among my peers. We have a long way to go. 12333::::The draft was originally created as an autobiography back in 2009 which DGG saved for rewriting. It's largely unsourced and seems to contain lots of OR by original creator. It may have to be pruned to a short article, but looking at the artist's exhibition record, reviews and collections (at least so far on the artists website) he would meet both GNG and NARTIST if independent sources can be found. I'll see what's out there. ] (]) 18:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 8473::::Where the GNG is used here appropriately , is for people at any level whose work happens to strike the fancy of newspaper writers. I don't consider most such people notable as academics, but since the public will read the news accounts and want some objective information, it's reasonable to have the articles here. (I have sometimes objected to isolated news accounts as being based on PR if it seems really counter-intuitive). ''']''' (]) 17:39, Apr 24. 2012 1330:* This is such sad news. David's contribution to the project is incredible, both in terms of what he did and how he did it, but what always struck me most about him was the way he carried himself at live events and at online events. Despite his achievements in the community and in his professional life, he always showed up ready to listen and learn. He was one of the people I truly admired in our community, and it's a sad loss. ] (]) 01:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 13838:::::::The basic problem I have is that it is being approached from the paid editor perspective, not the COI perspective. It applies just as much to non-profit or even amateur organizations, as it does to companies, and it does not depend on whether one gets compensation. The only special problem with paid is the resentment people here feel at others getting paid for doing work poorly that they do better as volunteers. ''']''' (]) 19:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 10278:::Additionally, I would ''never'' refuse to restore an article if another admin or equally trusted user asked me. Perhaps I defer to other admins too much, or you too little. After all, I could have said, you are being unreasonable, and restored it myself. The definition of wheel warring permits it. (Perhaps we define it incorrectly, and it gives an undue 2nd mover advantage, but that's a very complicated question.) ''']''' (]) 20:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC) 20538: 12667:

some notes he made for talks he gave (one of these is a video up at the top of this talk page). Maybe some of the essays as well. But most do seem to be just notes for his own personal use, so it is difficult to know what (if anything) to do with them. Unless he had known plans for them, sometimes it is best to leave it as it is, unless someone has a very specific plan for reuse/publication, with appropriate credit. ] (]) 03:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

813:* I was fortunate enough to serve with him on the Arbitration Committee in 2015, and while we did not always share the same opinions his views were always well argued and originated from a deep desire to do what was best for the project and its editors. This news has come as somewhat of a shock so I'm still processing it, but it is definitely clear that he will be sincerely missed by many people here including me. ] (]) 17:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 5197:

utility in deleting aticles about notable subjects because the creator requests deletion. (In this specific instance it wasn't a request so much as it was ). Anyway, thanks for your time...I hope things are well with you. ]] 05:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC) I considered posting this at WT:CSD but was sure the subject had, most likely been discussed there previously and I was too lazy to search the archives. ''Mea culpa.''

7026:::I'd be more then prepared to think along with you (as a group: not you as a person) how to build in checks and guarentees, but I don't have the time to become a NPPer myself: but I would be happy to help out in Q-control. I'm already a ''mentor on request" and was asked once to help a new author to find his way on Wiki - but there is not much demand for a voluntary mentor. I would however be prepared to be a mentor/help for a potential NPP. 2045:*For so many years we butted heads from different perspectives but I don’t believe we ever genuinely failed to be on the same side and you never failed to treat me as a colleague. You may be gone but your friendship and sincerity will never fade. For so many of us, you were the best of us and we are better for you despite how diminished your passing leaves us. Rest peacefully my friend. ] '']'' 17:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 6905::We do not necessarily need a hidden speedy template nor would I advocate one: first, many improperly tagged articles get untagged by people simply noticing them--the cultural change to always check the edit page would not be easy, especially to newcomers (most inexperienced readers are not even aware there is a talk p.) Second, there are many grossly inappropriate articles and we need to be sure to catch them and not miss the notices. . 19325: 13200:

long. Attempts to change material and/or add references based on citable material is vehemently fought by a few who, unfortunately do not use that same energy to comply with the guidelines. The template will, on a particular day have England the victor, on another, will have France the victor. Would you please look at these four articles? They need, I think, your unique expertise. Thank you. ], ], ], ].] (]) 16:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

9259:::::I know of no journal where "the interests and networks of the editorial board " or even just the editor in chief do not in considerable part determine the contents. The problem is that saying this so directly can easily be misinterpreted by those who have an overly simplistic view of the objectivity of academic journals & my preliminary thought is that King's wording is a good one. ''']''' (]) 05:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC) 15458::::::I recognize the discontent when the initial views at an AfD lead in one's desired direction, and continued argument involving a wider range of Wikipedians changes the consensus. But it is just such extended discussions which bring forth a more general consensus that that of those who are particularly interested in a special subject. Without it, AfD would be overly susceptible to the influence of special interest groups. 2706:*I too just heard this unwelcome news. DGG made an immediate and lasting impact on me during my formative period when starting here. I recall how his old user page stated that he had found his life's work at Knowledge. I recall how oddly that struck me then, and how natural it feels now. I miss this gentle soul, his imprint on the project will remain long. I think we all are lessened by his loss. ] ] ] 01:26, 4 May 2023 (UTC) 14143::::Hey, i've been procrastinating plenty myself. How long has it been since I helped out at PAIDHELP? I spent yesterday working on ] and trying to decipher horribly machine translated Japanese news sources. So, yeah. But i've pledged to work through the PAIDHELP page today and get everything done. ]]] 21:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC) 19306:

him as well as I would have liked (I knew him mainly through his on-wiki work and during a brief crossover point in arbitration), and don't believe I ever met him in-person (at least not properly), but he was one of the best of Wikipedians, working tirelessly to improve and advance the project. His erudition and professional background shone through in his work on Knowledge, setting an example that will live on. RIP David.

6824:(Those are the same people that want to be Wiki moderator as it gives them some extra "power buttons", not because they are really interested in improving Wiki according to the reached consencus on what is a good article but rated to their own view on whats good and what isnt. And imho: if such a buddy/training program for new NPPers would put of this catagory of people from even applying for the job it is another win !! 21266:

16666: 1165:*Rest in peace. I agree with PMC about in that you die twice. The beauty of Knowledge is your legacy is perfectly preserved in pages' history and log entries. I imagine people will see your name and the positive impact of your edits for a long, long time. Rest easy, David. ]]] 21:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 8309::I consider it promotional for the A of A. This is to some extent a holistic judgement, requiring looking at the overall effect of the article. Remember, I did ''not'' nominate it for speedy, but left it for the community. They will either agree with me, or they won't, and that will decide the issue. While we're talking about it , have you any COI with this organization? ''']''' (]) 03:46, 11 April 2012 (UTC) 3741:::What we ought to be doing is completely rewriting all the old article content taken from all the pre-1923 PD sources--the old Brittanica and Catholic Ency and Jewish Ency the worst; the old DNB is a little better, depending on when the article was written. The tone is generally unsuitable and the facts and interpretation often unreliable. So I freely say, though I've almost never taken a hand in it myself. 2530:* I'm sorry to see this. As a clueful and experienced editor DGG was someone I learned from in areas like COI and AfD. We have not always agreed on the handling of fringe material on Knowledge, but like right now, he was sometimes on my mind as a precious editor and I went to check if he was still active. We have never met in person but I consider those who did to be fortunate. —]] – 15:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 68: 7557:

in the hopes that we can clear out all of the noted sections. And feel free to respond to a section and help out even if someone else had already responded there. The more eyes we get on a specific request, the more sure we can be on the neutrality of implementing it. Thanks! ]]] 03:25, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

14778:**The sockpuppetting didn't really "come to light". It's been there all along. Tobias Conradi hasn't actually stopped editing in all these years, and a small number of administrators have been blocking him every so often. He's editing right now as {{user|Indiana State}}. The problem is, as alluded in the section heading of ], that the community has forgotten about this. ] (]) 11:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 9383:::I'm guessing it's one of those things different editors have different opinions on. I'm not sure what mine is. I would also like to discourage blatant advert and not have to police thousands of articles on barely notable organizations. However, if the COI editor leaves it alone after we stub it, it would be of some minor improvement to Knowledge. ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 14:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC) 10508::{{tps}}I'll be interested in that ... I PRODded someone recently who was ambassador to several countries but didn't seem to pass ],which seems to say that being an ambassador per se is not enough for notability. He was unPRODded after more content was added, don't know whether it's the person you're concerned with or not (current Thai ambassador to US I seem to remember). ]] 11:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC) 3147:<blockquote>Almost everyone who commented on it seems to think that the Article Wizard can and should be improved. There were also repeated concerns about making sure that the Articles for Creation process gets more attention so it does not become clogged and proposed articles get the improvements they need. Participants on both sides of the discussion agreed on these points.</blockquote> 9970:::I see you say you follow WP:BEFORE--I am glad you accept that principle, and urge you to say explicitly what you have or have not searched, and what options you have considered. If I nominate or comment on an article & think that while merging or redirection might seem plausible they should ''not'' be so treated, I generally say so, and give the reason. ''']''' (]) 16:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC) 1495:* Very sorry to hear this. I came across DGG through AfC reviewing and although I never met him (being resident in New Zealand and not in the habit of travelling to the US!) I wish I had. His edits and advice and decisions were always so wise and well-considered. He contributed much and is greatly missed. I hope his family reads these tributes and feels great pride. ] (]) 07:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 1000:* So saddened to hear this news. David often managed to persuade me to reconsider my opinions on a lot of matters, both editorial and administrative. He was one of the most respected functionaries, and we will always be aware of his absence. He was a formidable man, editor, administrator, functionary, and a walking educational resource. May his memory be a blessing. ] (]) 19:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 1913:* It is quite likely that without ] I wouldn't have passed RfA the next year and honestly still be here today. I am glad that I was able to finally meet you in person within the past year; I'm incredibly grateful for all the work you did to make Wikimedia NYC such a welcoming community and hope the rest of us can do your legacy proud. My condolences to your family. ] (]) 03:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 1022:* DGG was a lion of librarianship, editing, opinion, New York, and pretty much everything he touched was warmed and affected by him. He gave immense credibility to Knowledge through his professional experience, and he took sharp views on issues that caused immense controversy. I hope he's enjoying a bagel with all too much schmear. ] ]|] 19:31, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 14247:::I sort of realized that, but someone should have commented in print on this in the last 20 years. I have seen similar situations here quite dificult to handle, because we can not editorially comment. If one ''knows'' that an article is well written and researched, missing information is significant; but for a WP article neither part of that can be assumed.''']''' (]) 21:40, 24 June 2012 (UTC) 3285:

not limit the trial to the intended purpose, ended up by rejecting it, at least in its present form. (The community asked the developers to improve it for another trial, and the developers, not unreasonably, were unwilling to do the amount of work involved if it was going to be to be rejected in the end, as they I think correctly foresaw it would be.) ''']''' (]) 18:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

13718::curiously enough, and rather to my surprise, at the last training session we held in NYC (for a group of junior college instructors), many of the participants were of the opinion that the presence of the article feedback request ''decreased'' the confidence they felt in the quality of Knowledge. I am however not sure of which version they had in mind. ''']''' (]) 00:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC) 3446::::Thanks, David. I was a debater in school before "talking so fast" became the current style. I feel anything which games the system deserves appropriate response in order to keep the system sound. I appreciate your valid concern about deletion procedures being over-weighted toward one outcome. Thanks for your valuable comments in those forums. Be well. ] (]) 23:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC) 2012:* I’ve been doing this for a paltry eight years and feel like a newbie poser leaving this textual analogue of a votive candle or the most expensive cut-flower bouquet from my neighborhood Trader Joe’s. But DGG was the Wikipedian analogue of, in my “real” “world”, a long-serving, thoroughly intellectually reliable federal appellate judge whose name one sighed in relief to see on an opinion. 5330:::I saw it myself a little earlier this evening. KW seems to be doing his utmost to show himself in as bad a light as possible. It's perfectly consistent with his general behavior there that he didn't inform me. As far as I am concerned, I don't think what he said about me is significant enough to respond to. I took the same view as others did. If he holds a grudge, that's his lookout. 9483:::::Thanks DGG. I'm trying to digest this. I think what you're saying is to just fix the articles instead of focus on the bureaucracy. So instead of focusing so much on the AfD process, maybe I should just improve the article. Am I on the mark there? I sort of wanted to make sure I was doing it right before doing too many AfDs. ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 20:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC) 5385:::::::{{tps}}Very eloquently put Scott. I concur with you both. Why the site tolerates it is an enigma to me too. But it does. That said, some of the worst insults do not need the use of expletives to be gravely insulting and demeaning - but in the current investigations, that aspect of PA and incivility seems to be unimportant. ] (]) 17:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 2871:* David, I am just now hearing of your passing, I am saddened by the news, while we only had the occasional interactions on wiki, you definitely have shaped the way I do things on the project, and you will be missed. Your skills, advice, and knowledge across many different areas will be missed greatly. My sincere condolences to his family, and friends. ] ] 08:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC) 2287:*How very sad, RIP... I never met David IRL so can't really say I knew him at all; yet, I bumped into him so many times here, and read so much by and about him, that I almost feel like I did, in a way. Clearly very knowledgeable, wise, and from everything I could gather, an all-round good person. He leaves a big void, and will be missed by many. --] (]) 16:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC) 13805::::::Hi DGG. Especially seeing that I just invited Ocaasi, who is sort of the champion (I think) of the PSCOI, to chime in, I toned down the See Also. My rational is that if the essay is to focus on being something both sides of the aisle can agree on, we can only confidently say that there is disagreement. Please feel free to revert if you disagree. ] 01:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 7611:::I really appreciate that you let me know, and I'll keep in touch with what you do. Remember that part of the job is to not miss the really major problems. Many promotional articles are in fact copyvios, and that's always a sound reason for deletion. A page marked as patrolled without sufficient checking is worse than not patrolling it. ''']''' (]) 22:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC) 6074:::of course I am willing to do it, and you may use my wikiname and my real name however you please, though if others are not giving their name likewise, I am sure you will do so in such a way as not to give my comments any greater implied emphasis. I should like to speak with you first about your project in general, and will email you. ''']''' (]) 06:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC) 2893:* Good heavens, just heard of this myself. DGG and I ... we collaborated, we clashed, we debated, but he was one of the Wikipedians I ''always'' respected and whose views were ''always'' worth taking seriously and mindfully. This is a loss to our project, but far more to his family and friends. Rest well, David. We won't see your like again. ] 07:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC) 12621::::: I wouldn't say there is anything left in that space that he "put effort into"; there was one that he commented briefly on (e.g. ]), and one that is a draft for a different topic built on a redirect he created (], which by the way is duplicated at ]). ] was a duplicate built on a redirect that he had left behind, so I re-redirected it. ] ] 22:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 1264:* You'd be hard-pressed to find a regular contributor who has ''not'' been positively impacted by DGG's extended reach as a dedicated and even-handed Wikipedian. I had the pleasure of working with them closely in 2020 during a very weird time in the world. My heartfelt condolences to family, friends, and colleagues. DGG's impact endures. –]] 23:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 9363::{{tps}} I would say that such articles, if the subject is notable, can just be stubbed to a sentence or a paragraph, with one or a few of the better references attached. Then it can be worked on from there, from scratch as it were. ]]] 08:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC) 1143:* It is said that no one truly dies until their name is forgotten. David's name will live on in the minds and memories of everyone who worked with him on this project. It was an honor to work with him as an editor and to serve with him on arbcom - he was always reasonable, kind, and intelligent. With love, &spades;]&spades; ] 20:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 3314:*Opinion needed: as you've been involved in the messy Avaya MfD's, do you think there's a better way to handle them? Like freezing the similar MfD's and link them to one general? I don't know. I'm just guessing, OR is the matter that each product needs to be viewed separately to see its individual notability? Thanks is advance... ]] 20:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC 9525::::::A much less direct one but I think the most important quantitatively in terms of the ultimate amount of improvement per effort expended, is the need to continue to attract new editors and get them involved. This requires both not discouraging them by rejecting their work, and not discouraging them by excessive bureaucratic or technical difficulties. 7516::I am willing to do at least one batch, and I think I understand how to do it from the wikipage. But perhaps I need to know something that isn't obvious, so I am emailing you. I wish you hadn't tried to summarize things using graphics, but that doesn't affect the ability to do the rating, which works via checkboxes. ''']''' (]) 21:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC) 4928:

creator of cites as a primary influence" is fine on both Show Y and Show X's articles, as long as the claim is verified. But I just don't think we need every tangential little mention, especially in list form, which looks ugly. '''Ten Pound Hammer''' • (]) 16:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

2034:* While I believe that ], it is sad, that from now on, we will no longer be able to speak with David or read his insightful comments and we are left with talking about what a great editor and all-around good person he was and seeing his countless contributions making Knowledge a better place, hopefully for a long long time. ]] 15:37, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 19586: 8621:::I don't see they understand about usernames, so I tried to explain it to them--on the articvle talk p, & their individual ones also. There is currently no usable sources for notability in the article, but given the very distinguished sponsorship, it needs a further search. I'll look at it again tomorrow. ''']''' (]) 03:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC) 19585: 15086::If something indicates possible good-faith significance and you think it not notable, nominate it for prod if you think nobody is likely to disagree. If the prod is challenged, or if disagreement is likely, then AfD is the way to go. For this one, I''d use AfD-- after first looking for additional references. ''']''' (]) 04:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC) 13045::::* I responded there with a question that is only partly rhetorical as it's really not clear to me what you're suggesting we do to decide such matters. You seem to be proposing that we restrict comment to editors who have some specific power of discernment but what does this mean in practise? Please elaborate. ] (]) 15:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC) 3424:] Is my memory that faulty? I can't find it, and it's possible the syntax isn't precise. Did you use this a sort of irony? I seem to remember you used the link to represent bullying behaviors. I'm seeing one such user who seems to be wanting to turn the entire AfD process on its head by using such a technique. ] (]) 11:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC) 19590: 19589: 19584: 7037:::But I think my best assistance I can offer is helping to work out a quality assurance protocol for NPPs or similar roles without adding extra burocracy to Wiki. If you want to change ideas/thought with you and/or a group of people that think about quality assurance for Wiki just contact me directly using ]. ] (]) 07:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC) 12432::History of Jews in American banking and Jewish stereotypes in banking and finance both seems almost ready to publish; I suspect DGG didn't consider them complete but they're far above my personal standards for an article. I'm going to move some undeveloped sections to the talk page and then move to mainspace, unless there are any objections. 10871:*The ''']''' is now live! Feel free to use it and all other feedback pages; there's no prohibition on playing around, dealing with the comments or letting others know about it, although the full release comes much later. Let me know if you find any bugs; we know it's a bit odd in Monobook, but that should be fixed in our deployment this week. 4529::::Ah, we seem to have been in total agreement after all. I can't understand why anyone would want to drag this peren issue up again, especially so soon after the last one floundered. There is better work to be done than flushing out thousands of high school articles for deletion or even arguing about it. --] (]) 05:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC) 14195:::For a book on the law system of a very small European nation, I would not expect to find much in WorldCat. And it fact, it seems the only comprehensive substantial English language book on the general subject listed there. Books dealing with particular branches, have 19, 6, 2, and 1 copies in WorldCat ''']''' (]) 17:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 8791:*::and thus there is a problem for an admin who does paid editing at all--any of his work in the field will be under suspicion. As an arb said informally at a recent meeting, though probably an admin would not be demopped for doing paid editing, that admin would lose a lot of respect and effectiveness. ''']''' (]) 22:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC) 6403:# I agree with you about requiring more human communication. If you want to talk about actually making that happen, then let's talk. But in the meantime we're trying to slowly but surely improve those related notifications, and your feedback on the work so far would be welcome ] (See "templates tested" for a look at the different messages). 2882:* Wow. Was unaware of this until now, but you made a substantial impact on me early on in my editing here. Interacting with you at AfC was one of the first significantly positive interactions I had on Knowledge, and I owe you one for convincing me (whether you realized it or not) to stick around. Thank you. ''']'''] 22:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC) 19591: 7403:::: Yes all very odd. And the endless comments about "deceit" on the ANI have merely served to confirm beyond any possible doubt that there is a highly personal aspect to all of this. The individual in question has obviously never heard, or at least heeded, the phrase "when you're in a hole, stop digging". ] (]) 00:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC) 2331:*DGG was one of those editors who made me feel so very assured I was making the right decision when he agreed with me, and made me question myself when he did not. His opinions and actions were reliably well-reasoned, articulate, and when necessary, compassionate. The community will be less for his absence. ] (]) 00:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC) 15469::::::You may think I am wrong in either my general approach to WP or to this specific matter. Both are possible. As for the general approach, in don't run the encyclopedia ; as for the specifics, I', far from infallible, and everyone has their own version of reasonable and what common sense requires. ''']''' (]) 08:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 12399::: Looking at the history, it was originally created by ] and moved to DGG's user space to attempt to salvage it from various deficiencies. Since ] exists as a redirect, I think this can be deleted. It will not be worked on, and is not significant to DGG's legacy like his original drafts and various essays. ] ] 01:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 8558::a very useful project--it makes sense to have both lists, & I will add to the WP list as I see them, I shall check them both; because these can be considered potentially derogatory listings, they must have good references. It may be necessary to qualify the statements in some cases. ''']''' (]) 01:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC) 2386:*:YES. He's in mine as DGG Knowledge, the only name he ever needed in my world. I believe the first time we met involved Greek food and I had some in his honor on Monday, although not the same restaurant. This is such a monumental loss. ] ] 14:46, 20 April 2023 (UTC) 12745:*I've watchlisted ] and will look for sourcing for anything not in it from ]. This appears to be an article DGG himself had adopted at some point. ] is also of interest to me. Unfortunately I haven't yet been able to find a COMMONNAME for this idea. As the prior, it seems to be something DGG had adopted. ] (]) 23:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC) 10073:::very nice for general purposes, and will certainly improve accuracy if inexperienced users get this by default. For quickly scanning to pick up problems, I find it unusable. The old format works very well for me when I use it for that purpose, & I hope we can figure out how to maintain both.''']''' (]) 21:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC) 9423::::The world has realized that it is so desirable to have an article at Knowledge, that there is no possible way we can avoid having to police not just thousands, but quite literally millions of weak articles. If we throw out the weak existing ones to avoid checking them, we'll be dealing with the same ones coming in back again. 2970:* Thanks for sharing this news. I was shocked when I stumbled upon it. David was so kind and welcoming to me back in 2016 when we met. it was clear he was a juggernaut among Wikipedians in NYC and beyond as a photographer. A great loss and yet a person whose memory lives on in so many who remain in the community. Rest in Power, @]! 1209:*Deeply saddened by news of David's passing. He would have disagreed with much of my outlook, but it was precisely the integrity of his character and close judgment one could intuit in his comments which earned my admiration. One needs such interlocutors, and his passing is a great loss for us all.] (]) 22:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 9237:::But what do you think of the remark "It is thus a closed, in-house journal. The interests and networks of the editorial board determine what ends up in the issue." that several editors insist on including? That sounds rather negative to me, but each time that I remove it, somebody puts it back. --] (]) 18:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC) 8429:::For ''Associate'' professors, automatic notability is not generally accepted, but is determined case by case. AfD results vary, but imho are usually reasonable. Personally, I think it could be extended to them on similar grounds, but this has not had consensus. ("Associate" = the US rank, and corresponding ranks elsewhere) 1374:*DGG was a Knowledge stalwart. It is hard to imagine Knowledge without him. He was the admin most people went to with questions, as seen by the history of his talkpage which always filled up so rapidly. Even though he was scaling back recently, I cannot imagine what will fill the void he leaves. ] (]) 02:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 6925::Most of the discussions are about having the equivalent of a special user right for marking Patrolled. For examp[le, a fairly restrictive condition might be Auto[patrolled status; a less restrictive one, 3 months and 1000 edits. Expdrience has shown that at the very least a full month and several hundred edits is necessary. 1099:* I didn't know him all that well, but our paths crossed quite a few times across my Knowledge career. I always thought him to be a kind and knowledgeable editor, who made well thought arguments without letting his passions get in the way. Knowledge needs editors like him and he will be missed.] (]) 20:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 16670: 5341:::As for my position on NPA, it's been stated elsewhere: that people at a responsible public site behave like they do no longer amazes me; what continues to puzzle me is why the site tolerate them. Perhaps I have a responsibility to say this there, but people will see it here also. ''']''' (]) 04:02, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 1803:*I served on ArbCom with DGG, and of course spoke to him many other times as well. I did not always agree with him, but even when I didn't, it struck me how thoughtful and well-reasoned his positions were. We're going to miss you a great deal. ] ] 08:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 9545::::::But what an individual should choose to do is affected by what the individual is best at, where the need is greatest. and what they enjoy doing. that last factor is perhaps the critical one, because we are all volunteers and will only be here if we get satisfaction from our work. ''']''' (]) 16:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC) 8569:::Quest, that is an excellent idea; DGG, that is an excellent caveat. BTW, wants to publish the proceedings of your last faculty meeting/conference/]. You'll get a letter on really nice looking letterhead in the next week or two. Quest, this goes for you as well. And for everyone, really. ] (]) 04:11, 28 April 2012 (UTC) 2419:* I just heard. That is sad. I'll miss him greatly. I was really fond of him. He was one of most humane and rationale people I knew. I'll miss him. The family have my condolences. ''']]''' 09:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC) 7919:*Coding has been completed on three elements; the API for displaying metadata about the article in the "list view", the ability to keep the "patrol" button visible if you edit an article before patrolling it, and the automatic removal of deleted pages from the queue. All three are awaiting testing but otherwise complete. 15106:::I really appreciate taking the time to give me such a complete response. I particularly take you point about judgement being reserved for the community. There are bits of nuance of editing practice that I'm only going to pick up by making mistakes, and I now have a much better idea where this particular line lies. 16668: 9897:

didn't consider merging the non-notable article even though I did. Haus said at ] that he found sources in the same amount of time that it took me to nominate the article for deletion. I said that I don't think those sources show notability and another editor agreed with me. So annoying. ] (]) 14:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

1638:*For those of you who use UBX and would like to remember David that way, <nowiki>{{User:Pdebee/UBX/RemembersAbsentFriend|DGG}}</nowiki> now exists. Thanks {{ping|Pdebee}} for the tutorial for this novice. ] ] 16:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 1352:* This is a huge loss to the community, and I'm sure an even bigger loss for his family. I'm sorry to see David go. He was was one the best contributors - as much for his wise advice as his edits - that the community has had. I wish his family the best through this difficult time. - ] (]) 02:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 13398:

Unfortunately, he doesn't have the bandwidth at this time to help implement that changes and recommended I talk with you. Would you mind taking a look and if seen as appropriate, implement the changes into the current article? My draft can be found ]. I truly appreciate your help! --] (]) 18:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

10350:::the articles there certainly still need work: classic promotional institutional pages, in many cases, (much probably copied, and needs ref to the sources, though it US-PD) and overly brief summaries in others. Perhaps if its just the two of us we could simply divide them up. ''']''' (]) 02:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC) 2728:* DGG will be missed. Condolences to his family. Not only was he great contributor but he helped many new and experienced users from near the beginning of this project. His work as an administrator has merited much praise not just for skill and neutrality but for his patient demeanor. ] (]) 01:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC) 19588: 12599::::From areas in which I worked with him, I knew David to more assist content that needed some TLC and expertise rather than necessarily start from scratch. When he did the latter, it was normally in mainspace. ] ] 20:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 1341:* The best ones always leave far too soon. DGG, wherever you may be now, rest easy. Your physical manifestation may have left, but your contributions and your impact to the great communities you have been in shall live on until time itself ends. — ] (] / ] / ]) — 01:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 2607:* I was very sad to hear of DGG's passing. I learned a lot about how to approach Knowledge from reading though his thoughts, expressed on his user pages and so many places through the project. To his family and close friends, my sincere condolences. May his memory be a blessing. ] (]) 16:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC) 7908:*Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface. 1737:*RIP DGG. You were the best of us. I just stuck my head back in and was working up the courage to say hello and I was just too late to let you know how much I treasured all our correspondence and collaboration. I'm a better person for knowing you. ] ] 00:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 10245:::Looking at a later comment on your talk p., it appears there was a misunderstanding. Geo asked you to at least mail it to him, & he (and I) thought you were refusing to do that also. But you explained you had not noticed that part, & would mail it. I think that resolves the immediate issue. 2408:* I had known DGG since I was a child. Wikimedia NYC meetups were a wonderful escape from the dullness of my suburban childhood, and DGG brought tremendous wisdom and dedication to whatever he did, whether online or offline. His dedication is unimpeachable. I'm devastated. ] (]) 17:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC) 2618:* One of those editors whose comments in discussions were always worth reading, even in those long arguments when everything seems to be said and resaid a hundred times. I will miss seeing him at AfC and AfD. May he live on in his impact on the world, whether on-wiki or off. ] (]) 22:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC) 5407:::::::::The quote says it all. Burke ''"found the effort of keeping a civil tongue in her head too much to bear"''. Were ] on Knowledge, she would, by definition, have breached WP:CIVIL - can could be blocked. Now she might argue that ] had bated her, but would we buy it?--] 18:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 11907::::I followed a very similar vein as DGG describes above in my contributions to the essay, but I like his language more "universally acceptable." I could see that in the title somehow: "Universally acceptable marketing & public relations behavior on Knowledge (too long). ] 16:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC) 21534:

David, I think of you often and wish we could have had one more phone call or I'd make it back to the meetups. My thoughts are with your loved ones. For those of us on wiki, anyone feel like a mini drive for David? Brooklyn, library, academic. I think he'd appreciate any or all efforts. I'm still on

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The draft was originally created as an autobiography back in 2009 which DGG saved for rewriting. It's largely unsourced and seems to contain lots of OR by original creator. It may have to be pruned to a short article, but looking at the artist's exhibition record, reviews and collections (at least so

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To say I am saddened by these news really doesn't say it well enough. There really aren't words to describe DGG's contributions here. On Arbcom, a voice for giving every Wikipedian the most benefit of the doubt within reason. That policy is there to enhance the Knowledge experience - to bring editors

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Thanks for sharing this news. I was shocked when I stumbled upon it. David was so kind and welcoming to me back in 2016 when we met. it was clear he was a juggernaut among Wikipedians in NYC and beyond as a photographer. A great loss and yet a person whose memory lives on in so many who remain in the

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Wow. Was unaware of this until now, but you made a substantial impact on me early on in my editing here. Interacting with you at AfC was one of the first significantly positive interactions I had on Knowledge, and I owe you one for convincing me (whether you realized it or not) to stick around. Thank

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David, I am just now hearing of your passing, I am saddened by the news, while we only had the occasional interactions on wiki, you definitely have shaped the way I do things on the project, and you will be missed. Your skills, advice, and knowledge across many different areas will be missed greatly.

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I mostly knew DGG from countless AfDs that we both participated in over the past 15 years; he was always thoughtful and considerate, including to me even when i used to like to go bonkers in AfD. Folks like DGG, being older than the average Wikipedian, show us (and showed me, because I needed to see

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David was a rock, a mentor, and a friend, in that chronological order and in rapid succession. What a loss. Some people deserve a statue for their contributions to our beautiful project, and David is one of them. Through my talk page archive I see that we go back to at least 2009--in my memory he has

18895:, it is sad, that from now on, we will no longer be able to speak with David or read his insightful comments and we are left with talking about what a great editor and all-around good person he was and seeing his countless contributions making Knowledge a better place, hopefully for a long long time. 18319:

David never failed to set an example for all of us to follow, and should anyone want to organize some memorial event onwiki, preferably some sort of editing event, I would want to be taking part. His signature will no longer grace our pages anew, but his influence should be felt as long as there is a

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David was one of the Knowledge editors and admins I respected the most. Even when I disagreed with them, his insightful comments always made me stop and think and wonder if he was actually right after all, and his knowledge about academic subjects might well be one of the best Knowledge has ever had.

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You remarked, "I typically decline about 1/3 of the Speedy deletions I see, but some admins close essentially everything, Either I or they must be doing it wrong." I say, "not necessarily". To make an extreme example, suppose there are 1000 xSDs, with 100 of them badly tagged. If some new admins poke

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Do you think this can be salvaged? The article is written by an SPA and is horribly spammy, but that could be fixed if the book is notable. Worldcat shows only one library holding, but Dennis Campbell, ''Introduction to Cyprus Law'' ISBN 9783902046215, which is presumably the "widely acclaimed" first

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Your name is being thrown about on this page, but in positive way. Perhaps it is time to join us? It is morphing quite a bit, but there are some good ideas being thrown around, and the essay has undergone a lot of changes, and more is yet to happen. Some of your insight would be helpful. ] - ] ]

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Hi, I've been researching the intersection of Knowledge and Authority Control, and have just recently made a ] to create a bot to expand the usage of a template. I've identified you as someone in the sphere of interest to this project and would appreciate your input at the Village Pump. Thanks, ] (])

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I've taken the liberty of re-adding DGG's archive header to the talk page, because his talk page archiving system is otherwise fairly difficult to make sense of without it. He removed it in ], whether intentionally or not I of course don't know. I hope this action is OK. ''']'''] 19:19, 15 April 2023

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What bothers me about media coverage on the topic is the lack of voice from the editorial community and the reporter expressed an interest in doing a Q&A with a volunteer editor. I was wondering if you were interested. It seems up your alley, since the focus is on quality content. ] 21:34, 7 June

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I'm perplexed by how to handle the dynamic. I noticed a comment on one AfD suggesting your vote was motivated by a need to discourage poor-quality COI spam and I thought I would just ping you to get your response. Am I way off the mark here? I'm perplexed by what is the best practices, to punish COIs

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Hi. Glad the article has been, for now, restored to its former glory. I was thinking about ] as it was worthless as a stub. Unfortunately, while I read ''almost'' all her mysteries I don't have most of the actual paperbacks I bought or collected aeons ago. I do have a couple or so paperbacks and I'll

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Hi DGG. I received your message about recommending the Golden Plate list article for deletion. Please tell me what the G11 criterion is upon which you rely. Before posting the article, I researched Lists policies, which appeared consistent with this article. So I need to see specifically what you are

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I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it!

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We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; ] is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and ] is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the ''']''' :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to

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you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at {{nospam|okeyes|wikimedia.org}} or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

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In addition, on Tuesday 13th March, we're holding an ] session in #wikimedia-office on IRC at 19:00 UTC (11am Pacific time). If you can make it, please do; we'll have a lot of stuff to show you and talk about, including (hopefully) a timetable of when we're planning to do what. If you can't come, for

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I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the ] about the project and also the ], which sets out how we plan to work with the community on

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Another problem that I do have is that he deletes comments made on his Talk page (I had to search really good to find back the where he made above comment, and also came later with an explination why Kevin O'Leary is notable and Rijkman Groenink wouldn't be (Kevin O'Leary is also Shark in TV program

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Hi, DGG. I came across a A7 speedy tag at ] and declined it as the subject looked notable at a cursory glance. A7 makes no mention of notability and I don't understand why. Are we to ignore notability if the other conditions of A7 are met? I may be overlooking something basic, but I don't see the

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It is with a heavy heart that I write this message to remember and honor David Goodman. It is hard to believe a year has passed so quickly. DGG, as he was affectionately known, was an esteemed member of our community but also a dear friend who touched the lives of many with his kindness, wisdom, and

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I too just heard this unwelcome news. DGG made an immediate and lasting impact on me during my formative period when starting here. I recall how his old user page stated that he had found his life's work at Knowledge. I recall how oddly that struck me then, and how natural it feels now. I miss this

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I wouldn't have passed RfA the next year and honestly still be here today. I am glad that I was able to finally meet you in person within the past year; I'm incredibly grateful for all the work you did to make Wikimedia NYC such a welcoming community and hope the rest of us can do your legacy proud.

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David, it breaks my heart to hear of your passing. You are not just a rock of the Knowledge community in New York City and beyond, but also a dear friend whose insight and advice have always been well appreciated by myself and others. I and others will always miss you, and may your memory and legacy

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So saddened to hear this news. David often managed to persuade me to reconsider my opinions on a lot of matters, both editorial and administrative. He was one of the most respected functionaries, and we will always be aware of his absence. He was a formidable man, editor, administrator, functionary,

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I was fortunate enough to serve with him on the Arbitration Committee in 2015, and while we did not always share the same opinions his views were always well argued and originated from a deep desire to do what was best for the project and its editors. This news has come as somewhat of a shock so I'm

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I understand a film can not qualify for CSD, or a book or a school. It seems this area is grey because it is not about a film but instead the concept of a film. I don't see what the author can do in seven days that will change the fact the film is said to be scheduled for release in 2014. It seems a

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Which brings me to my pother point. When I was a new admin, I half expected someone would be assigned to follow me around for some time, just to make sure I was understanding the rules correctly. Either that didn't happen, or they were very, very quiet. (I'm even more surprised it isn't SOP at OTRS,

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Hi-there. Recently, I've been working to improve the ] article which currently lacks any citation or substantial information. I do some work for Bloomberg and don't want my conflict of interest to interfere with Wiki guidelines, so I have been in talks with ] about a draft of the article I proposed.

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I have created a rough draft of what could become ] at ] for the purpose of helping COI editors actually understand what they are doing wrong, how to fix it, and how to actually become a contributor instead of a liability. I'm trying to avoid all the adhoc speeches given to the growing number of PR

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Two years ago our school relocated to a new campus. We are a government school located in Brunei (SE Asia). As the person in charge of IT and all things online at our school I temporarily created a new wiki page for our new campus - a new name and location etc. - Shortly after this it was deleted by

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DGG, I noticed that {{User|System of Systems Integration}} (the article creator) removed the prods you put on ] and ], and thought you might like to know that I bundled them together and sent them ]. ] ☾]

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The point is that this article is a textbook BLP1E, and Geo Swan has gotten flak specifically for having this type of article in userspace and in mainspace; regardless of whether it belongs in userspace or not, I'm not going to enable someone to restore an article when I would immediately send it to

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What I found was there were a lot of cruddy advert articles with no sources, yet sources were available. The articles technically could be made appropriate for Knowledge, but in practice it's unlikely anyone will make the effort. It's more likely to create a headache for everyone edit-warring with a

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COuld you look at the contributors to that article, and block or ask for name changes or protect or whatever? I'm plum out of time today but people editing the ] (NYSA) page with NYSA in their usernames seems like a problem. Note though, that i haven't looked closely enough to see if its good faith,

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This is being done through the ] (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an ] session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If

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What I envision is that in stead of placing the 'real' Speedy Deletion template on the page with all the consequences (a message on the Talk page of the contributer, a huge text at the top of the nominated article etc) it would just be visable to more experienced NPPers: they would then check if the

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Could you as (far more) experienced Wikipedian give him some good guidelines and tips: as said, I do assume that DGA handles in good faith: but the way he is working now is really not healthy. Thanks a lot, ] (]) 20:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC) Ah: I see that you already

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I do appreciate that DGG is not the nicest job in the world; but I do think that a DGGer should be very aware about 'new users' (I'm not in that catagory: but as he doesn't seem to do much research when he nominates a SD - other then on articles about persons to check if they had a TV show on top of

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I do refer to the 5 pillars of Wiki, and especially Assume Good Faith: and also with DFA I do assume that he is just doing his best but if he truly thinks that his role as NPPer is the same as a teacher who rips up a paper made by one of his students because it is crap I really don't think he is fit

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P.S. Thank you for electing to contribute your observations to the article talk page. I intend to fashion a rather in depth and carefully considered response to your observations as I believe it will be productive. However, due to time limitations and a personal desire to step back from this issue

5352::::That, I think, is the nub of the whole arbcom case. We've managed to get some sort of American free-speech, citizen's-rights, ethos, which tolerates children being childish, and really has nothing to do with building an encyclopedia. Sadly, it is unlikely to change.--] 04:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC) 5072:

You made some comments about the scholarly journal Mechademia, which deals with manga and anime. The full text and all tables of contents for Mechademia are available for free at http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/mechademia/ and all articles can be downloaded for free. I added the link

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If you have a moment, could you perhaps have a lok at this article? There are a few small problems here. There's a list of issues "sourced" to Amazon.com. There's also an extensive "reception" section with some cherry-picked quotes. And some editors (see talk) vehemently oppose inclusion of links to

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Hi there DGG, you were recently involved, briefly, on the discussion page about an organization called ]. Prior to November, it was much too promotional; at present, I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction, as I've explained in ]—and as I see you warned in your previous note on

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I am getting the new Huggle test ready today, and I was wondering... some of the short versions have a link to the diff, while others do not. It might be interesting to test overall whether referring to the diff or pagename is better. Do you mind if I standardize them, and if I do, would rather they

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Yes, I consider the introduction of this feature a potential disaster. I expect to see the number of incoming editors fall precipitously even below its present unsatisfactory level, as soon as it is implemented, and possibly not recover even after the trial has stopped. The attraction of being able

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I missed the "one year" mark, being sick and in the hospital, and just wanted to add that I enjoyed the interactions I had with David. He was older than I by fourteen years. He was the same age as my sister who was, like David, an inspiration. He actually shaped, or I should state reshaped, some of

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History of Jews in American banking and Jewish stereotypes in banking and finance both seems almost ready to publish; I suspect DGG didn't consider them complete but they're far above my personal standards for an article. I'm going to move some undeveloped sections to the talk page and then move to

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How very sad, RIP... I never met David IRL so can't really say I knew him at all; yet, I bumped into him so many times here, and read so much by and about him, that I almost feel like I did, in a way. Clearly very knowledgeable, wise, and from everything I could gather, an all-round good person. He

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David was absolutely my first and most important mentor, well over 10 years ago. I still have a quote from him on my user page, in fact, one that helped form my way of engaging here. For me, it was a wonderful experience working with him. We had radically different ideas about life and politics,

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For so many years we butted heads from different perspectives but I don’t believe we ever genuinely failed to be on the same side and you never failed to treat me as a colleague. You may be gone but your friendship and sincerity will never fade. For so many of us, you were the best of us and we are

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David and I became Wikipedians at almost the same time; my first edit was a few weeks before his, respectively in August and September 2006. Most of my contacts with David were long ago, when we were both highly active on AfD, and time and again I found myself supporting deletion while he supported

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I am so sorry to hear about the devastating news. My deepest condolences to the family. DGG's passing is a great loss to the Knowledge community and all those who knew him. It's individuals like him who make Knowledge such an indispensable resource for people all around the world. DGG's legacy will

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David was one of the original and first "Knowledge librarians", a professional who saw contributing to the encyclopedia as mirroring his professional work. He was irascible and funny, and loved to meet and talk with fellow librarians. We chatted often about libraries and Knowledge, and how to bring

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participants in the discussion, the ones that have yet to form a view and will be weighing your view versus your opponents. It is those participants you need to target in order to have the biggest impact. And if the outcome of the discussion doesn't go your way today, that's fine. At least you have

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Just wanted to expand on this a bit, as DGG crossed my mind again today. There is one particular thing that he wrote which has had a profound effect on my approach to community-wide discussions on Knowledge—and perhaps a bit in real life as well: I encourage everyone to give the section of his user

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Absolutely gutted to get home from holiday travel and read this. A true mentor and guiding light. David was one of my first friends here, one of the few Knowledge editors I met in person and the only one I ever spoke with on the phone. We FaceTimed when I returned to active editing and the pure joy

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I'm always literally grateful to wake up every day. To see that DGG has left us is devastating. I echo somewhat the sentiments above. We die a few times, I think. First one we physically stop, secondly when people stop remembering and talking about us. But for DGG at least there's a third stage,

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It is said that no one truly dies until their name is forgotten. David's name will live on in the minds and memories of everyone who worked with him on this project. It was an honor to work with him as an editor and to serve with him on arbcom - he was always reasonable, kind, and intelligent. With

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DGG was a lion of librarianship, editing, opinion, New York, and pretty much everything he touched was warmed and affected by him. He gave immense credibility to Knowledge through his professional experience, and he took sharp views on issues that caused immense controversy. I hope he's enjoying a

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DGG, thanks for your help on the ] page. I laughed in the talk page when I read your comment, " "a 1993 ''Fortune'' profile" -- surely there's something more recent. " -- in fact the firm goes to great lengths indeed to hide compensation, so these figures and citations had to be carefully sleuthed.

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AFD. "If I did that, and the article stays in the same form, it will be very rapidly deleted, which is not what you desire" — and this article cannot help being in the form of a BLP1E unless Geo Swan find persistent coverage, of which I've heard nothing from him/her. ] (]) 12:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

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The page can be found at ''']'''. Please, please, ''please'' test it and ]! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to

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Hi DGG. I'm going to try to make it to your session at Wikimania. If Jimmy sticks around after the plenary session and isn't barraged I might see if I can get his feedback on what a paid editor would need to do to not just be tolerated, but seen as an asset to Knowledge. The unconference would be a

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Hi, could you perhaps have a look at this article? Some editors are trying to insert what I think is unsourced and unwarranted assertions, but perhaps I'm wrong. The journal is also included in many databases that, I think, would not include it if it weren't peer-reviewed, although I admit that the

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While not a huge backlog yet, we're getting to it on the ] page. The sections that need replies include ], ], ], ], and ]. If you could help in any of these sections (primarily the first four), I would be really grateful. This notification is going out to a number of Wikiproject Cooperation members

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I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing ], which features a free text box. it

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In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at ]: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who

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I hope I made my idea/proposal clear enough for you to understand: if not, I'd be happy to work it out in detail and then send it to you. But such a worked-out explination of the process would come in the form of a Word/OpenOffice document with embedded flow-charts. But if you would like to receive

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True, true... I too have spent many years on the editorial boards of several scholarly journals but have mixed feelings about open access. Until we can find free money to pay the printer, journals will not be free to readers. In an ideal world -- well, in an ideal world, there would be world peace,

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onto ], then paste the bare URL between your <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you

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Hi! If you still have suggestions for any of the 9 listed as "in-progress" at WP:UWTEST, please drop a note on the talk page for that template. We're going to start the new test now and would rather not change the templates in the middle, but it's easy to do a new test or simply incorporate changes

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Thanks for your comments on ] (though I'm not certain the editor even knows of the existence of talk pages). The user's other article, ], reminded me exactly of your recent comments on Wales's talk page about identifying when a PR firm has written something...a list of milestones, reference to the

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Sometimes a cause is lost. I opposed the use of BLP Prod, but it was adopted, and my experiences at prod patrol indicate it has had at most a trivial beneficial effect, as everything it properly deletes would and would have been deleted anyway. and a considerable negative one, as it leads to many

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I'm another late arrival upon this somber news, and frankly surprised that I missed the shockwaves from this one. Unlike some of our other visible losses in recent years, I did not often run into DGG out in the wilds of content work--different areas of interest, I suppose. As such, I didn't have

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I'm sorry to see this. As a clueful and experienced editor DGG was someone I learned from in areas like COI and AfD. We have not always agreed on the handling of fringe material on Knowledge, but like right now, he was sometimes on my mind as a precious editor and I went to check if he was still

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Very sad to hear this news. Condolences to his friends and family, and to all those in the New York Wikimedia community who knew him - it is clear from the tributes above and those in the obituary being drafted that he was much loved and held in great affection by those who knew him. I didn't know

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DGG was one of those editors who made me feel so very assured I was making the right decision when he agreed with me, and made me question myself when he did not. His opinions and actions were reliably well-reasoned, articulate, and when necessary, compassionate. The community will be less for his

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I leave with one personal anecdote. I was talking with him once about the way we do things, the way we resolve controversies, and the general collaborative spirit of the project, in some narrower context. I expressed the idea that the wiki way could spread to other areas of human endeavor and that

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on trying to bring out the best in the NPP / AfC procedures, and that's another thing he'll be missed for. I never met him but I got a chance to meet face to face and chat briefly at one of the NY meet-ups when they were online - I wanted to talk about NPP / AfC a bit but I was distracted by other

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I know you didn't think it was necessary, but I did agree to it and will comply fully. In one month, I will be at 3 months and will have fulfilled my obligation, assuming my own criteria is met, that two admins sign off at that time (I would ask you and Boing! since you've been involved.) I have

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Having made my point, I'm not sure it belongs on the thread at this time, because my suggestion isn't going to help the problems that are being discussed at the moment, so maybe I'll think some more on it, and formalize a proposal later. Maybe after getting some thoughts from people like you.--]]

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Hey all :). First-off, thanks to everyone for all their help so far; we're coming up to a ''much'' wider deployment :). Starting at the end of this month, and scaling up until 3 July, AFT5 will begin appearing on '''10 percent''' of articles. For this release we plan on sending out a CentralNotice

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Greetings! You have been randomly selected to receive an invitation to participate in the ] on ''']'''. Should you wish to respond to the invitation, your contribution to this discussion will be very much appreciated! If in doubt, please see ]. If you do not wish to receive these types of notices,

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Coding should actively start on Saturday, when I'll be distributing individualised usernames and passwords to everyone. If you haven't spoken to me but would be interested in participating, either drop me a note on my talkpage or email {{nospam|okeyes|wikimedia.org}}. If you have spoken to me, I'm

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And his Talk page only consists of SDN comments (there aren't that many on his Talk page as he deleted older/completed discussion threads on his Talk page. (and worse: he removes text in current threads). There is also a formal Mediation request from ] in regards to DFA. (ah: you are in on that as

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You know the guidelines better than anyone else I know when it comes to academics. Please take a looks when you can. I had just tagged for notability, original creator thinks it doesn't need it. Rather than debate, I would leave it in your experienced hands if you have the time. ] (]) 19:57, 23

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Hi David. I seem to recall that we may once have possibly been in disagreement over the notability of schools. Without prejudice to you opinion (and I can't really remember exactly what it was), there is a discussion taking place ] that may be of interest. --] (]) 03:22, 13 December

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Sometimes opposition can be effective, as with patrolled changes. I certainly opposed it, and when it became clear it would be adopted supported those who successfully limited it to a trial and to a limited range of articles. The community , upon seeing among other things that those using it did

2959:* I'm saddended to see this, He was an amazing admin and editor - always polite, patient and would always help anyone and everyone, A true loss to Knowledge, Thank you for your service. RIP David, My sincere condolences to friends and family, –]] 00:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC) 21265:

I would suggest that when someone has their own way of organising their userspace (I say this as someone who has never really organised my own userspace properly), maybe browse through the pages to see what may be worth preserving or using elsewhere (presuming that is even appropriate)? I noticed

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and we had a short debate about the balance between privacy and the "right to be forgotten" - while we were largely on different sides of the position, his disagreement was very respectful. His contribution to Knowledge and related projects exceeds his 300,000+ edit count (bolstered by thoughtful

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I saw that there was an obituary in the upcoming Signpost and was devastated to see it was about David. This is terrible. He was one of the first Wikipedians I met in real life way back in 2014. I came to him often with questions about DraftWorld and he was always patient and helpful. Most people

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These articles have either NO references or very few. Much has gone completely unreferenced for YEARS. It looks like pure copyvio almost throughout the articles. Though tags have been placed on them, the tags are simply updated so they do not look as if the articles have been unreference for as

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good time to meet up. At some point much further down the line I would like to get some form of independent review/assessment on our McKinsey efforts from an uninvolved editor, just to make sure we've all done a great job serving the reader. ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 17:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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We've also been working on the ] plugin for the tool; this will basically be the same as the existing system, only applied to comments. Because of that, we're obviously going to need slightly different filters, because different things will need to be blocked :). We're holding a '''special office

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All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72

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At the same time it might also put people off volunteering for the role: I have people in mind that don't want any monitoring from an experienced user because they know of themselves that their opinion is right in the first place - and that their rating if an aricle is Wiki-worthy or not is rule.

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I really don't think he is the right person for ]. In my initial mail to him (or her - didn't check) I made the comment that ] might not be known in the US and he directly reacts as stung by a wasp with: ''The fact that you believe everyone in America is a 13 year-old girl is depressing. None the

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ] (]) 01:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC) —

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afterward, since all we need is a week or so of data. I'm interested to see what you'd like to do, because my feeling is "the shorter the better" on these warnings. ] • ] 18:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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I see your comment there and I agree with you, and will say as much, but I am also going to say that I do not think the WMF can or should prevent the community from doing something like this. I've consistently opposed their interference in our content beyond the minimum legal necessities, and

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Many {{who|date=May2011}} editors include a statement about their attitudes to editing on their userpages. I am not one of them, that is until I came across what you wrote. I would really like to include this on my userpage. While I can add anything at all I like to my userpage subject to ], I

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Very sorry to hear this. I came across DGG through AfC reviewing and although I never met him (being resident in New Zealand and not in the habit of travelling to the US!) I wish I had. His edits and advice and decisions were always so wise and well-considered. He contributed much and is greatly

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This is such sad news. David's contribution to the project is incredible, both in terms of what he did and how he did it, but what always struck me most about him was the way he carried himself at live events and at online events. Despite his achievements in the community and in his professional

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Hey {{PAGENAME}}; just a quick note to let you know that we'll be holding an ] session at (don't worry, I got the time right ;p) on 4th May in #wikimedia-office. This is to show off the almost-finished feedback page and prep it for a more public release; I'm incredibly happy to have got to this

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Hi DGG, I saw that you were involved in a ] on the article about ] from ]. The SDN came from ], and he had also nominated my article on the former CEO of ] where he was the main driver for the sell-off of the bank to a consortium of banks: ], ] and ]. This sale was one of the additional

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I just saw this mentioned and immediately felt my heart sink. I have taken the last hour or so to look over all the messages here and there are so many describing interactions and discussions with David. I can't help but feel the immense sorrow flood in over the loss of this connection. So many

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DGG was a Knowledge stalwart. It is hard to imagine Knowledge without him. He was the admin most people went to with questions, as seen by the history of his talkpage which always filled up so rapidly. Even though he was scaling back recently, I cannot imagine what will fill the void he leaves.

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Hey, could you do me a favor? Most of the information on ], which was deleted a couple of days ago, was not present on the main article and I would like to restore it and userfy it into my userspace. Could you do that for me? I have no intentions in creating the article again, I just think some

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Hi, I got a ] for Russian journals that don't have an English edition (or an "official" English title on their homepage or cover or anything like that). I'm not really sure how to answer this and your input would be appreciated. The editor (Solus Ipse) had translated the titles themselves and I

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A PR publication called may be covering a report I'm publishing next week. The thesis of the report is that ethical Knowledge engagement by companies is a form of content marketing. Just like any independent news and information source, Knowledge has content needs. Companies can achieve mutual

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I'm not saying that you meant what you said, but there appears to be a trend. Northamerica basically said the same thing as you did at ] which I didn't even nominate for deletion. Uncle G acted like I didn't follow ] at ] just because I didn't know that it had other names. Kvng said at ] that I

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It's our hope that by maintaining such lists, it will be easier for editors to identify self-published books. In a discussion at the ] talk page, The Blade of the Northern Lights said that you and another editor know vanity publishers very well. If you can provide any assistance with these two

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The ones I chainsawed were full of things like " has an episode , an obvious shout-out", which is original research, or " mentioned this in very faint passing". I fail to see how one line of throwaway dialogue in a 22-minute episode warrants a relevant mention. Something more obvious, like "The

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David Goodman, ], . David was active in many parts of Knowledge and had hundreds of collaborators, including in-person outreach with Wikimedia New York City. I am coordinating an obituary for him with Wikimedia NYC and ''The Signpost''. Anyone who would like to coordinate in developing this may

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Oh, this is bad indeed, I'm deeply saddened. He was an outstanding editor whose lead I often tried to follow and example I aspired to emulate. We didn't always agree, but he was never dismissive and always ready to explain his point of view. I will miss him (and only now realise that he's been

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I just proposed my first two speedy deletions this evening and I'm afraid I may have misunderstood the criteria. I had thought that notability of created works did not necessarily confer notability on the company that created them, and that since there didn't appear to be any reliable sources

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I did want to quibble with one observation you made; I'll do it here because no one seems to expand on your thought, so I don't see much need to insert it into the thread. Plus I'll use it as a point of departure to make another point, which I may add to the thread, after I've finished reading

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David, I should perhaps have noted this on the talk page, but there is something weird with the review in the ''Deutsches Ärtzeblatt'': it is written by the person who set up this "metatextbook" (see bottom of the huge linked page). So I don't think that it is really a review and certainly not

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It's worth noting that I've been engaged by the Academy to help resolve the matter; in hopes of doing so efficiently, I've prepared a proposed replacement (]) that I hope presents an acceptable compromise, or a workable starting point. Hope you can join in discussion ]. Cheers, ] (]) 18:33, 28

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I am reaching out for help to revive the article that I wrote some time ago about an educational website - Novelguide.com. As of today, there are 549 articles here on wikipedia that site this website for its content. I used the google search box under the wikipedia search results to find this

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Deeply saddened by news of David's passing. He would have disagreed with much of my outlook, but it was precisely the integrity of his character and close judgment one could intuit in his comments which earned my admiration. One needs such interlocutors, and his passing is a great loss for us

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My name is Jonathan Obar ], I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about

16669: 13388:|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I never met you in person but I interacted with you quite a bit years ago when I was getting started on this site (circa 2013), and I was very saddened just now to learn that you had passed away. Rest in peace. ] (]) 01:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC) 8418:::For those at lower level institutions, this is not automatic, and the judgment goes by individual cases; the rationale is that in such institutions people are often promoted to this rank based on lesser accomplishments or for other qualities than being a recognized expert in their subject. 6802:

And you can extend this system to other markings as well: not only SD candidates but also the other ratings/tagging used by the NPPers could get a ''hidden'' version of them. Although this might seem as a lot of extra work for the mentor of the NPP in training; it does provide us (the entire

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Of all the deaths of fellow Wikipedians I've experienced in over 15 years, David's is the most deeply felt, and that takes nothing away from other editors whose passings I have noted. For I knew David so well, not just here on-wiki, in his capacity as an arbitrator, administrator and (most

14132:::It will be this weekend. I know I've said it before two or three times, but I'm feeling embarrassed enough to actually do it, instead of trying to learn something I haven't done before (last week, the new version of the New Pages list, this week, AfC.)''']''' (]) 21:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC) 4365:

remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for PDF documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. You may consider taking on ]. So long! --] ''] • ]'' 07:24, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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I just learned about this from the admin newsletter. I am so sorry to hear that you have passed away, DGG. You were an admin that I always looked up to and you will be sorely missed by the community as a whole. If your loved ones ever read this page, may they know that David's memory and

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I’ve been doing this for a paltry eight years and feel like a newbie poser leaving this textual analogue of a votive candle or the most expensive cut-flower bouquet from my neighborhood Trader Joe’s. But DGG was the Wikipedian analogue of, in my “real” “world”, a long-serving, thoroughly

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that every editor will see - and for this, we need your help :). We've got plans, we know how long it's going to run for, where it's going to run...but not what it says. If you've got ideas for banners, give a read and submit your suggestion! Many thanks, ] (]) 16:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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my ideologies concerning Knowledge. I would laugh, actually out loud, when I would see any of his typing errors. I could just imagine him saying "just fix it". DGG, I think I can safely state for many editors, you are missed. Our song choices may not match but this reminds me of a song

12366:::::You've nailed the core of what we've lost in David, and SlimVirgin. The true fundamentals of the project. While we mourn both, I think the impact of their absence is still to come. ] ] 20:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 10289::::This is an interesting discussion between two respected colleagues. Please understand the importance of common ground. While mostly ] simply observe, without comment, we generally benefit by considering the agreement you reach. Best regards to you both. ] (]) 00:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC) 9694:

I would be interested in your opinion on the CREWE/paid editing/COI dynamic. I noticed I have a strong keep lean compared to others in the AfD discussion, which led to a couple being relisted. I guess ] is a higher bar than I realized. ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 03:24, 20 May 2012

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Hi DGG, As a follow-up on my remarks I made about DFA: would it be a good idea if new NPPs would first become an 'assistant NPP' where he rates an article and if he thinks it is indeed a candidate for SpeedyDeletion that he uses a hidden version of the template Speedy Deletion

2353:*Oh my man....nooooo So sad to hear your news. Oh my god. You are a great editor and legend administrator i knew. My condolences to his family and friends. Sorry i can't with my account bcs my wiki acc was lost. Pls reborn as a genius. RIP 💔. {{flag|Myanmar}} 06:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC) 1275:* Devastating. One of the best editors I knew. I greatly respected DGG for their work, commitment and caring demeanor. Extremely sad. My condolences to his family and friends. ] '' ] ]'' 00:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 17483:

I didn't know him all that well, but our paths crossed quite a few times across my Knowledge career. I always thought him to be a kind and knowledgeable editor, who made well thought arguments without letting his passions get in the way. Knowledge needs editors like him and he will be

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As per your ] with me at 01:29, on 9 March 2012 (UTC), you said, '''"I am giving you a two week ban, running through March 23, from new page patrol, from page moves without clear prior consensus, and from tagging articles for deletion except in cases of clear vandalism or

1231:* My condolences and best wishes to David's family and friends. ''']'''] 22:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 868:** Just looking at the last thing David ever did on Knowledge, spotting ] as a declined draft, recognising it as notable, and passing it through AfC into mainspace. To me, that gives a huge indication to the enormous positive effect he had on Knowledge. ] ] ] 18:24, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 747:*Rest in peace, David. The English Knowledge and Wikimedia NYC won't be the same without you. You will be missed! — ] ] 17:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 19885:

DGG will be missed. Condolences to his family. Not only was he great contributor but he helped many new and experienced users from near the beginning of this project. His work as an administrator has merited much praise not just for skill and neutrality but for his patient demeanor.

9248::::Sorry, just stumbling across this string. How about: "Article selections and other content choices are made by the editorial board." This reminds me of COI issues where bias content needs to be corrected rather than omitted. ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 03:16, 18 May 2012 (UTC) 18350:

the two closer together. He offered me space in his house to stay during the first WikiConference North America (and use of a metro card), and for all his gruffness he and his family were warm and welcoming. He was in every sense a great Wikipedian, librarian, mentor and friend. --

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Heard your ] just now. I support both the "Radical solutions to promotional paid editing" proposals you announced on notability and restrictions on anon editors around companies newer than 1999 foundation. Are there some written proposals to refer to? - ] (]) 20:43, 15 January 2017

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This is a huge loss to the community, and I'm sure an even bigger loss for his family. I'm sorry to see David go. He was was one the best contributors - as much for his wise advice as his edits - that the community has had. I wish his family the best through this difficult time. -

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number. Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Novelguide ] —Preceding ] comment added 15:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC).

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I was very sad to hear of DGG's passing. I learned a lot about how to approach Knowledge from reading though his thoughts, expressed on his user pages and so many places through the project. To his family and close friends, my sincere condolences. May his memory be a blessing.

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Hi. When you recently edited ], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page ] (] | ]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the ]{{*}} Join us at the

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If you wouldn't mind, would you a.) help me find any and all pages relating to primary sources, and b.) would you be willing to help write a stand alone guideline concerning them, to better help editors understand usage and so forth? - ] 02:09, 16 February 2012

5799:# We're happy to say we have a new round of testing results available! Since there are tests on several Wikipedias, we're collecting all results at the ]. We've also now got some help from Wikimedia Foundation data analyst ], and should have more test results in the coming weeks. 1924:* Utterly tragic. While I was on staff, David was a touchstone - when I wondered the right path, more than once I asked myself if I could face him and explain it. A scholar, a gentleman, and a giant among giants. Perpetual light shine upon him. ] (]) 07:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 13482:

Hi DGG! Sorry if you're not the right guy to talk to, but you're one of only two–three people from the list of organizers that I recognized. I asked a question but it doesn't seem like the page is updated often by organizers, but an answer would be great. Thanks in advance, ]

11830:|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Today would be DGG's 16th anniversary of becoming an admin. If only he was here to experience it. May he rest in peace. ''']]'''  00:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC) 8063:

DGG, I saw your note last week that you intended to return to the ] this weekend: have you had a chance to look yet at ] on the Strayer University Talk page? I have made some updates to the draft based on your feedback. Let me know what you think. --] (]) 17:19, 3 April 2012

7568::Thanks so much for your help. We need more members to be involved on the Paid Editor Help page if we're ever going to get that process to work. ]]] 01:20, 26 March 2012 (UTC) 19728:

One of those editors whose comments in discussions were always worth reading, even in those long arguments when everything seems to be said and resaid a hundred times. I will miss seeing him at AfC and AfD. May he live on in his impact on the world, whether on-wiki or off.

1066:* This is very sad news. DGG was an immensely valued contributor here, and his loss will be felt. My sincere condolences to his friends and family. ] (]·]) 20:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 901:* This is tragic news. I had the privilege of meeting David ten years ago at Wikimania, where we shared a session. I appreciated his vast knowledge of the movement and his keen insights into Knowledge culture. His wisdom will be greatly missed. ] 18:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 19412:

I had known DGG since I was a child. Wikimedia NYC meetups were a wonderful escape from the dullness of my suburban childhood, and DGG brought tremendous wisdom and dedication to whatever he did, whether online or offline. His dedication is unimpeachable. I'm devastated.

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On ], you mentioned that you wanted to make some edits to the draft version created by Hamilton83 found at ]. Were you still planning to make those changes? Would you like some time to do that, or is it okay if I move over draft into mainspace? ] (]) 13:17, 29 March 2012

2298:*I am sorry to hear of the death of ]. In his work as an editor and administrator, I found him to be wise and compassionate. To use a probably archaic phrase, he was a ], a paragon of Knowledge, and his conduct was an inspiration to many. ] (]) 00:51, 18 April 2023 (UTC). 3080:

It appears that a couple users are trying to implement the restriction of new articles to autoconfirmed users from the recent ] (please refer to this ). I'm not certain that everything is in place to start that restriction. The closing admin specifically mentioned a few

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been positively impacted by DGG's extended reach as a dedicated and even-handed Wikipedian. I had the pleasure of working with them closely in 2020 during a very weird time in the world. My heartfelt condolences to family, friends, and colleagues. DGG's impact endures.

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Would appreciate your restoring ] — ] says "If a page has survived its most recent deletion discussion, it should not be speedy deleted except for newly discovered copyright violations", so G5 doesn't apply after it survived ] a few days ago. ] (]) 20:00, 27 June 2012

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An interesting question has been raised that you might be interested in. Since you have participated in similar discussions and arguably more experience in this particular policy question, you might have some insight that would be helpful. ] - ] ] 21:49, 3 June 2012

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Hi DGG, I saw that my original note on your talk page was archived, so I'm adding this to make sure it doesn't get lost from your radar as there is clearly a lot of incoming requests on your page! This is the link to the latest correspondence, ready for your review.

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The article will be discussed at ] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and

1572:* Oh no! I'm so very sorry to hear this news about DGG. He was truly a great Wikipedian. It was wonderful to meet him at several WP events in in NYC over the years; I learned so much from him. My condolences go out to his loved ones. ] (]) 13:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 2992:* I just learned about DGG's passing by chance – I'm so sorry to hear this. I recall DGG's guidance from my early days on WP – always thoughtful, considerate and friendly. DGG, you were an example to follow. Rest in peace. — ] ] 18:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC) 17583:

Rest in peace. I agree with PMC about in that you die twice. The beauty of Knowledge is your legacy is perfectly preserved in pages' history and log entries. I imagine people will see your name and the positive impact of your edits for a long, long time. Rest easy,

5095::::No, that is not the case. Only sample issues can--at present, vol.4. If you see more than that, you are working within the domain of a college or library that has a subscription. I'll forward you a screen shot if necessary. ''']''' (]) 18:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 10361::::I would certainly be glad to help out. I looked through some of them and your right theres definately some work to be done. I also noticed there seemed to be some that weren't tagged yet. I was also wondering if you think it would be ok if I did a couple things. 1253:* This is devastating news. David was a great editor, one of our best. I have always respected his work with AfC and with academics and academic subjects. A major loss. May he rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends. ] (]) 23:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 6497:

reasons why both RBS as well as Fortis collapsed at the beginning of the Banking problems - leading to the current economic downturn in the US and Europe. Although DFA did remove the SDN when I started a discussion with him I do have problems with his attitude.

2574:*Did Great Good. Farewell, fellow New Yorker and virtual acquaintance. Thank you for making the world, and especially this space, a better place. ''']''' ] 10:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC) 8154:

As previously mentioned, we're doing a ] to finalise testing :). I've been completedly bowled over by the response: we have 20 editors participating, some old and some new, which is a new record for this activity. Many thanks to everyone who has volunteered so

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benefit by transparently offering content of value to the editorial community. The report shares statistical information from 2,500+ Knowledge articles on companies to gleam insights into Knowledge's content needs, so organizations can better align themselves.

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less he is on the Netherlands Knowledge because he has some importance to it, while on the English he has none. Even if he does, (I have been proven wrong) have some significance, it is not needed. Many people have done what he has, but aren't on Knowledge''

2563:*DGG was one of the first people that made me feel like I could be a part of Knowledge. He was generous with his time and his wisdom. He was patient and bold and he taught by example. I am sad and shocked. I will miss him. ] (]) 23:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC) 10717:

To clarify, it was said by implication that this book is a reliable source that mentions The Body Electric. I think this book is clearly not reliable and thus has no bearing. My comment is not about The Body Electric itself. ] (]) 10:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

150: 2794:* I'm very sad to hear about your passing, David. I remember you as a very thoughtful and helpful person, who made Knowledge a better place. Please find the editing tools if they are available. Cheers! -- ] ] 07:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC) 2772:*Thank you for your contributions to Knowledge, DGG. You will long be remembered for your hard work in helping newcomers, improving others' content creations and cleaning up the ] of non-notable content, ] and ] cases. — ] (''']''') 19:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC) 12421::::: I have boldly gone ahead and deleted the draft and talk page. Our focus should be on improving the drafts that can add value to the encyclopedia. If anyone disagrees, I suppose they can restore (or request restoration). ] ] 02:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 5966:* The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly. 725:*A huge loss to Knowledge. We met in person once, over a decade ago now. We didn't always share the same opinions but I always respected your calm and considered contributions to discussions. You will be missed. ] | ] 17:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 13234::I am making some comments on the general article. My interpretation of the writing is that if the material was plagiarized, it was plagiarized from some rather dull textbooks, and probably outdated ones at that. ''']''' (]) 18:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC) 5149:

clean air, no crime -- we don't live in an ideal world. So we have paid subscribers, who provide the cash we need to pay the printer. But I agree that ideally open and free access would be wonderful. ] (]) 19:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

5106::::: I can get the ToCs from the link I gave, not only for Vol. 4 but for the others too. Except for Vol. 4, downloading costs money, but the ToCs are on the link. Let me go back and check them all. I'll be right back. ] (]) 18:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 60: 18459:

live on through the countless contributions he made to Knowledge and the impact he had on those he touched. His great work and helpful nature impacted many, many people. He was a mentor and a source of inspiration for me. May his soul rest in peace.

879:* One of the very best in our community. I feel this loss personally as David was incredibly helpful to me in my early days as a novice editor. My deepest condolences to his family, friends and loves ones. May his ]. -] (]) 18:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 18866:

I have a silly self-centered superstition about people who die within the same couple of days being in the same happy “orientation group” in the big fabulous university campus in the sky. I am so grateful that DGG is in the same “pledge class” with

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RIP DGG. You were the best of us. I just stuck my head back in and was working up the courage to say hello and I was just too late to let you know how much I treasured all our correspondence and collaboration. I'm a better person for knowing you.

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This is extremely sad to hear. I've always respected David as a member of Wikimedia NYC. Even though I only met him in person once, he was very knowledgeable, humble, and just a great person to be around. His passing is a great loss to all of us. –

12610::::Wow, thanks for looking into that! Are you saying that you saw some that he actually put effort into working on, even though he was not the originator of the draft? Just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding. ] (]) 21:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 12577::: I went back nine years and they ''all'' were. There were a few that were live drafts because someone else had built on the draft redirect post-AfC acceptance, but there are no live drafts started by DGG as articles. ] ] 19:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 6200::::Due to some of the issues you note, I think I'm going to ask a few others to also help. (] in particular I have found is great when it comes to policy/guideline page creation/editing, as well.) - ] 02:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC) 6591:

But what struck me the most was his 'its my job and it will never change' statement (not sure if it is still at his current ] - but if not you can find it (comment: ''That's my job, and it will never change. DreamFieldArts 13:39, 26 February 2012

2838:* I've worked with DGG on and off Knowledge but never met him in person. He will be missed. A guiding light in forming my Knowledge worldview. Condolences to his family and to all that knew and worked with him here. ] (]) 03:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC) 1704:*I am saddened to hear of David's passing. May those close to him find peace in this difficult time. --] ]/] 19:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 978:* Devastating. David was one of my favourite editors of all time. He brought so much knowledge and energy to this project and yet was always humble. I will miss him greatly. ] (] <nowiki>|</nowiki> ]) 18:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 20892:. I've tagged the remaining unsourced content with "citation needed" templates; the bulk of the article remains unsourced. I could move the unsourced content to the talk page or leave it as is, whatever the community decides is the best approach. 3202:|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | One of the greats. Thank you so much for all your help to a new editor and your endless patience with my many failings. Your memory is and will always be a blessing. ] (]) 21:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 17860:

The best ones always leave far too soon. DGG, wherever you may be now, rest easy. Your physical manifestation may have left, but your contributions and your impact to the great communities you have been in shall live on until time itself ends. —

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Utterly tragic. While I was on staff, David was a touchstone - when I wondered the right path, more than once I asked myself if I could face him and explain it. A scholar, a gentleman, and a giant among giants. Perpetual light shine upon him.

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Thank you for reviewing my recent article stub with Nouniquenames. I've been trying to understand what the difference is between 3rd party coverage, and press releases. Could you point me to the Knowledge guideline (if one exists) that explains

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Apologies if you are already aware, but I though you would like to know that Colonel Warden is the victim of a highly unjustified and unreasonable indefinite block. There is a discussion about this on the ANI board: ].] (]) 15:02, 17 March 2012

2937:* I only just discovered this today... so sad. My belated condolences go out to David's family and friends. Thank you for your many years of service - rest in peace. --] 🍁 (]) 22:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC) 2805:* Wow, this is the first I've heard of it. DGG was one of the greats, I haven't been this affected by a passing since Brian Boulton. {{lang|la|Requiescas in pace}}, fellow! – ] (] • ]) 15:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC) 12144:::I rescued a second link to another of DGG's user pages, which he had merged. The remaining red link under ] is to a 2009 page of notes about a user interface beta, which he later deleted as no longer relevant. – ] ] 15:18, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 7693::::It seems to me there is an imbalance in the article - it's about BIHE yet a good half is about responding to the persecution about BIHE. And the content on the response is sufficient for it's own article. No? ] (]) 10:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC) 1605:*So sorry to hear this - the phrase "pillar of the community" is for once fully justified. I was lucky enough to have a good talk in Washingon at Wikimania 2012, and he was as wise and nice as you would expect. ] (]) 14:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 1121:* Oh wow, this is a shock. I served with David on the Arbitration Committee a couple of times, and knew him to be a person of great integrity and thoughtfulness. His presence on Knowledge will be greatly missed. ] (]) 20:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 19320:

Oh my man....nooooo So sad to hear your news. Oh my god. You are a great editor and legend administrator i knew. My condolences to his family and friends. Sorry i can't with my account bcs my wiki acc was lost. Pls reborn as a genius. RIP 💔.

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I served on ArbCom with DGG, and of course spoke to him many other times as well. I did not always agree with him, but even when I didn't, it struck me how thoughtful and well-reasoned his positions were. We're going to miss you a great deal.

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This is tragic news. I had the privilege of meeting David ten years ago at Wikimania, where we shared a session. I appreciated his vast knowledge of the movement and his keen insights into Knowledge culture. His wisdom will be greatly missed.

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What are differences between these two articles? Well, both were nominated as AFD, yet AFD nomination on Sam and Diane was withdrawn. What are values, including encyclopedic value, of both topics and their articles? --] (]) 03:04, 1 July 2012

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around, and delete 700 "easy" ones, that leaves 300 left of which 1/3 ought to be declined. So it is possible both can be right. Now, I'm not saying that 100% closers are always right, but we'd have to check some of the close lists to be sure.

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I'm saddended to see this, He was an amazing admin and editor - always polite, patient and would always help anyone and everyone, A true loss to Knowledge, Thank you for your service. RIP David, My sincere condolences to friends and family,

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just now. I support both the "Radical solutions to promotional paid editing" proposals you announced on notability and restrictions on anon editors around companies newer than 1999 foundation. Are there some written proposals to refer to? -

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Thanks to all of you who have commented on the ]. If you haven't had a chance yet, check it out; we're discussing some pretty interesting ideas, both from the Foundation and the community, and moving towards implementing quite a few of them

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based on these. I was unable to verify any of the Collections the artist lists on their website nor do they appear to be notable collections - no museums, mainly hotels and corporate collections), so at this time, it's doubtful if he meets

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Hi, you have nominated ]t article for deletion. We have previously worked together on improving the article so that it won't be deleted. Can you please let me know what I have done wrong and how can I improve it? --] (]) 07:20, 7 June 2012

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After that point in time I also can be blamed for coming close to personal attack: although I do think that it must be clear that I'm exaggerating and being sarcastic; but I started to loose my patience and could hardly believe what I was

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all include a reference to the diff or not? My instinct is to remove it and see if that has an effect. ] • ] 00:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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YES. He's in mine as DGG Knowledge, the only name he ever needed in my world. I believe the first time we met involved Greek food and I had some in his honor on Monday, although not the same restaurant. This is such a monumental loss.

15518:*Hear! Hear! I'll never forget DGG's support and guidance during my first wobbly steps into the world of WP. He always remained the go to person if I had a situation where I was unsure how to handle it. --] (]) 08:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC) 1187:* I'm sad to read that you're gone — have enjoyed the interactions that we've had, both in person and online. -- ] (]) 21:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 18188:

Oh no! I'm so very sorry to hear this news about DGG. He was truly a great Wikipedian. It was wonderful to meet him at several WP events in in NYC over the years; I learned so much from him. My condolences go out to his loved ones.

14725::Being created by a banned sockpuppet is essentially in the same class of things that supersede earlier discussions. If you want to go further, I suggest an/i rather than dr, but it's your choice. ''']''' (]) 20:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC) 13898::::::::In any case, if you do find any notable non-profits attempting to write an article with a COI, I'm particularly interested in doing some pro-bono work helping worthy non-profits that can't afford me. ] 23:52, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 6709:::''While I was writing above letter to you I did see that you already contacted him on his role as DGGer but because above text was nearing completion I decided to post in anyway.''' ] (]) 20:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC) 956:* I will miss David's gentleness, his directness. A model administrator and effective teacher, User:DGG's edits will endure. I hope his family learns he was a widely respected wikipedian, an exemplar. ] (]) 18:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 13563::There's a general rule here: if there is no common english title for a subject we use the one in the language of the subject. But in this case there I see there in fact is an English title. ''']''' (]) 18:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC) 17721:

This is devastating news. David was a great editor, one of our best. I have always respected his work with AfC and with academics and academic subjects. A major loss. May he rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends.

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I started a look at some policy and guideline pages, but through typical over editing (such pages are typically edited/developed due to some current event or other), the primary sources explanations seem a bit watered down and too

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This seems a bit strange to me. The one reference that I can access does not even mention the term "Guide to information sources". Perhaps it should be moved or redirected to a more suitable article? --] (]) 06:38, 3 November 2011

2309:*I'm very much saddened by this news. I've worked with DGG for years, and he was a titan amongst us. ] {] · ] · ] · ]} 05:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC) 15563::Someone mentioned academic notability recently and I nearly suggested they ask DGG, who was AfC unofficial expert in the subject, before I remembered. We weren't close, but he's still remembered. ] (]) 05:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC) 14401:

Hi DGG, if you don't mind putting your librarian's hat on for a few minutes, I would welcome your thoughts at ], on the indexing of surnames beginning with "Mac" or "Mc". --] ] • (]) 15:26, 25 June 2012

1627:* Genuinely sad to hear this - I was fortunate to meet him at a couple of international Wikimedia events back in the day. He will most definitely be missed, although his impact and legacy will live on. ] 15:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 5307:

It may well be that someone has already had the courtesy of notifying you of , but just in case. I've no idea what it is about, or whether it has significance, but I thought you ought to be aware of it.--] 01:12, 15 January 2012

19587: 15425:::::Umm.... elaborate? Anyway, just in case: ]. Only difference I see are fiction and fact. Article one fiction requires real-world commentary, while article on fact... what are requirements? --] (]) 04:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)C) 19628:

DGG was one of the first people that made me feel like I could be a part of Knowledge. He was generous with his time and his wisdom. He was patient and bold and he taught by example. I am sad and shocked. I will miss him.

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I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or

1682:* My deepest condolences to the family, friends, and fellow Wikipedians of David Goodman, whose tireless dedication and passion for knowledge has left an indelible mark on the global community.] (]) 17:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 2739:* So sorry to hear this news. DGG was always helpful, even when giving challenging guidance, a true professional and champion of quality in our Wiki world. Condolences to his family and friends, ] (]) 19:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC) 703:*A fine editor and fellow Wikimedia NYC member has left us. His hard work will be greatly missed; my sincere condolences to his friends and family. ]/] 17:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 20302:

I just learned about DGG's passing by chance – I'm so sorry to hear this. I recall DGG's guidance from my early days on WP – always thoughtful, considerate and friendly. DGG, you were an example to follow. Rest in peace. —

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missing for a while already). In case any of his family or friends are reading this, I send you my heartfelt condolences and we could like you to know what an important figure he has been in this strange microcosm of ours.

2640:* So sad to hear. I meet you in Articles for Deletion many years ago, as you are Inclusionist I also found myself trying to save and improve the articles before deletion. Good Bye David. ] ] 05:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC) 2552:*I've only just found out about this. Sorry to hear, DGG. You were an excellent admin, ArbCom member and Wikipedian. Condolences to all who knew him here or in RL, particularly his family. - ] (]) 15:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC) 2254:* I really enjoyed listening to his point of view when we had 1:1 conversations at various events, the last time being August 2022 at New York City's Wikimania meetup. RIP DGG. I miss you. --] (]) 20:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC) 1407:*A staggering loss for Knowledge, DGG was always one of the editors I wished I could emulate. To family and those who knew him personally, my deepest condolences. ] (] / ]) 03:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 13772:***]. It is still undergoing a lot of changes, and there is a pretty wide variety of people looking at it, including at least one who COI edits himself, which I think adds some balance. ] - ] ] 00:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC) 9034::::::No problem - I appreciate that you have been keeping me posted. Yesterday I spent some time updating dead reference links since Stevens switched over to a new website. Thank you again. ] (]) 13:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC) 21021:

I have boldly gone ahead and deleted the draft and talk page. Our focus should be on improving the drafts that can add value to the encyclopedia. If anyone disagrees, I suppose they can restore (or request restoration).

12454:::Hmm, okay, looking at the history both were userifyied and then had very little work done. I'm honestly confused about this decision but not going to move back without substantive changes. ] (]) 20:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC) 3752:::In this case, the two attribution statements gave it away, for they were quite frank about it. I would probably have deleted it had I not noticed them, without investigation. ''']''' (]) 04:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC) 12122:::Thank you @]! I know David and @] worked together to keep viable articles from G13 so hoping that path will help. ] ] 15:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 2761:* I was very sad to hear of David's passing. Was a pleasure working him and was great meeting him in NYC a number of years ago. I send my condolences to his family.'']'' ] 19:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC) 10416::::::I moved the template to {{tl|WikiProject National Institutes of Health}} and updated the template example on the project page. I will add it to the WPUS Joint prokects list shortly. ] (]) 15:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC) 9054::::::Hi DGG -- Just wanted to check if you have a sense of when you may be able to review. I am getting pressed for an update and want to report back with the latest. Thank you again! ] (]) 16:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC) 20063:

I've worked with DGG on and off Knowledge but never met him in person. He will be missed. A guiding light in forming my Knowledge worldview. Condolences to his family and to all that knew and worked with him here.

1649:*I am so sorry to learn this sad news just now, and send my heartfelt condolences to his family and friends. Patrick. ツ ]](become ]) 16:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 20605:

and I managed to rescue all of Possibly's drafts before they were G13ed or after an undelete, I think and I think everyone here would be happy to make sure anything David was working on makes mainspace if possible.

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Thanks to everyone who attended our first ] session; the logs can be found ], if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there

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Wow, thanks for looking into that! Are you saying that you saw some that he actually put effort into working on, even though he was not the originator of the draft? Just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding.

16667: 1297:*A special friend, my mentor, a beautiful human being. I am heartbroken. Words cannot express the loss and sadness I’m feeling. Grateful that he was able to see his first grandson. ] ] ] 00:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 17196:

One of the very best in our community. I feel this loss personally as David was incredibly helpful to me in my early days as a novice editor. My deepest condolences to his family, friends and loves ones. May his

10666:::] is cut and paste copy (down to the typo in "fi elding") of its cited source at http://www.bctmod.army.mil/SoSI/sosi.html. Possibly not copyvio as US army, but certainly plagiarism. ]] 07:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 21511:

I never met you in person but I interacted with you quite a bit years ago when I was getting started on this site (circa 2013), and I was very saddened just now to learn that you had passed away. Rest in peace.

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So sorry to hear this - the phrase "pillar of the community" is for once fully justified. I was lucky enough to have a good talk in Washingon at Wikimania 2012, and he was as wise and nice as you would expect.

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A huge loss to Knowledge. We met in person once, over a decade ago now. We didn't always share the same opinions but I always respected your calm and considered contributions to discussions. You will be missed.

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Oh wow, this is a shock. I served with David on the Arbitration Committee a couple of times, and knew him to be a person of great integrity and thoughtfulness. His presence on Knowledge will be greatly missed.

12555:: his page creations in Draft. I don't know if there's a way to filter out those that were AfC acceptances. ] ] 18:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 4970:::Third, with respect to documentation, that something is the main theme or important or occurs in a work can be sourced from the work itself. It's one of the standard exceptions for the use of primary sources. 20931: 20883:, and Google searches, I was able to add some verifiable citations in reliable sources, most of which are news sources dealing with his work being censored, but also a couple reviews. The artist clearly meets 20743: 13494:::the person to ask is ]. But as I understand it, the Wiki World's Fair on July 7th will be the principal event, as many people apparently will be there for that day only. ''']''' (]) 01:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC) 3918:<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article ''']''' is suitable for inclusion in Knowledge according to ] or whether it should be ]. 21154:

From areas in which I worked with him, I knew David to more assist content that needed some TLC and expertise rather than necessarily start from scratch. When he did the latter, it was normally in mainspace.

18871:, and vice-versa, two off-the-charts-smart newbies in a crowded room, making friends with everybody from the Curies to Boswell and Johnson, Nabokov and Poe, Salk and Sabin, and Siskel and Ebert. Abyssinia. - 10011:

Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the ] is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it

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Hey, just a heads up we prepared the user warnings you made. See ] at the end. ] • ] 01:55, 4 November 2011

2210:: DGG applied his experience as a University Librarian to the much less mature world of Knowledge and the diverse and sometimes conflicting interests of community members with respect, equanimity, and grace. 10372:#I would like to add the project to the Joint projects list of WPUS. The articles are already covered by both projects so it might help them a little and slightly increase the visibility of the NIH project. 5729:

I know you said back in December you were trying to get your Internet service worked out so you could restore User:Alden Loveshade/Anaphora Literary Press. Any luck with that? ] (]) 06:05, 19 January 2012

1286:* I am so sorry to hear this. David was a major influence on me in my early Wikimedia days, and I was always happy when we were able to work together. --] ] 00:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 19130:

DGG applied his experience as a University Librarian to the much less mature world of Knowledge and the diverse and sometimes conflicting interests of community members with respect, equanimity, and grace.

351::::there will be--one of the reasons I gave the talk was to get some feedback about just what to propose, and I am already getting some. Watch this space tomorrow. ''']''' (]) 20:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC) 19992:

I'm very sad to hear about your passing, David. I remember you as a very thoughtful and helpful person, who made Knowledge a better place. Please find the editing tools if they are available. Cheers! --

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Hear! Hear! I'll never forget DGG's support and guidance during my first wobbly steps into the world of WP. He always remained the go to person if I had a situation where I was unsure how to handle it.

780:*Very sad news. He was a trove of knowledge from whom I learned so very much. His enthusiasm in rescuing old and abandoned drafts from being lost to G13 was unmatched. – ] (]) 17:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 16713:. David was active in many parts of Knowledge and had hundreds of collaborators, including in-person outreach with Wikimedia New York City. I am coordinating an obituary for him with Wikimedia NYC and 18270:

Genuinely sad to hear this - I was fortunate to meet him at a couple of international Wikimedia events back in the day. He will most definitely be missed, although his impact and legacy will live on.

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Is it time to reconsider a stand alone article? See ] probably from the "Developing a response" section. EUF is by far the primary response but there have been others. ] (]) 12:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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I will miss David's gentleness, his directness. A model administrator and effective teacher, User:DGG's edits will endure. I hope his family learns he was a widely respected wikipedian, an exemplar.

15414::::I consider that primarily a matter of clarity of presentation; how to divide up articles is as much a technical question of style as a question of notability. ''']''' (]) 03:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC) 12133::@], thank you for the ping; I'm so very sorry to hear about DGG's passing. I was just thinking of him earlier this morning. I am happy to help out in any way I can. ] (]) 13:52, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 2078:*Are you kidding me? I had the honor of working with David on ArbCom some years ago and always found it a pleasure to collaborate with him. We lost another good soul. ] (]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 14299:::It would be better if you asked BWilkins first--I suggest you tell him that you will keep it only for a week or two, and will get consensus for any additions. ''']''' (]) 20:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC) 10193:

I'm looking forward to seeing you at Wikimania Takes Manhattan - I will also be in DC. --David ''']''' 03:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

3103:<blockquote>the discussion also showed consensus for making (unspecified) improvements to the Article Wizard and giving more attention to the Articles for Creation process.</blockquote> 1583:* Being born with the name Goodman is quite a start in life… well, David did live up to that name. I'm thankful to have "known" him here. Yes, may he rest in peace. – ] ] 14:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 21637:

Someone mentioned academic notability recently and I nearly suggested they ask DGG, who was AfC unofficial expert in the subject, before I remembered. We weren't close, but he's still remembered.

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Greetings DGG. I was looking at WikiProject NIH and it appears to be pretty inactive. Since you and one other are the only apparently active members I wanted to ask. ] (]) 01:58, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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but that’s a different issue.) I think we should have a more formal review system for new admins. I know there's the ability to check with someone else, but I'd like to see something more formal.

5944:* All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so. 2816:* Rest in peace. An esteemed and valuable contributed... thank you for the time you gave and shared with us. ''']]''' 06:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC) 10882:*On '''Thursday, 7th June''' we'll be holding an ] session at in #wikimedia-office. We'll be discussing all the latest developments, as well as what's coming up next; hope to see you all there! 1517:* Had the good fortune to meet and talk with at the Wikimania in Montreal - a kind and generous person, and will be sorely missed. Condolences to family and friends. ] 10:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 19900:

So sorry to hear this news. DGG was always helpful, even when giving challenging guidance, a true professional and champion of quality in our Wiki world. Condolences to his family and friends,

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We have some very clear recommendations for next tries at new notifications for both PROD and AFD, which we will be publishing in a more succinct list soon. (Notes are ], if you're interested.)

1781:* This is tragic. David will be sorely missed. My condolences to his family. Hell, it felt like we were part of his family. ''']''' (] - ]) 07:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 12788::::::::In any case, check out the and a similar story in . I don't think the point of Knowledge and great content really got across the way I'd like it too, but... ] 13:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC) 15: 18367:

My deepest condolences to the family, friends, and fellow Wikipedians of David Goodman, whose tireless dedication and passion for knowledge has left an indelible mark on the global community.

16558: 12723:*'''Note''': ] and ] were both initiated by the long-absent ], and taken over by ] with an expressed intent to provide non-antisemetic coverage of these topics. ] ] 15:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC) 714:*I'm devastated. Ever since my early steps on WP, David was there to guide and counsel me. I learned so much from him, I feel orphaned. Rest now, my friend. --] (]) 17:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21352:

I've taken the liberty of re-adding DGG's archive header to the talk page, because his talk page archiving system is otherwise fairly difficult to make sense of without it. He removed it in

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I've only just found out about this. Sorry to hear, DGG. You were an excellent admin, ArbCom member and Wikipedian. Condolences to all who knew him here or in RL, particularly his family. -

4073:* '''Shared and dynamic IPs''': Maryana's ] to test the effect of regularly archiving shared/dynamic IP talk pages is in its final stages. There are also two relevant bot flag requests: ], ] 2717:*So sad to hear of this news. I remember David well on here and I have learned a lot from his many insights into the project. Rest in peace. ]] 22:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC) 21068:

Hmm, okay, looking at the history both were userifyied and then had very little work done. I'm honestly confused about this decision but not going to move back without substantive changes.

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I really enjoyed listening to his point of view when we had 1:1 conversations at various events, the last time being August 2022 at New York City's Wikimania meetup. RIP DGG. I miss you. --

16562: 16550: 16542: 16511: 6456::::Indeed, it's our unique chicken and egg problem. :) ] • ] 22:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 3169:

As you wrote the key ], would you mind looking in to this situation and then providing your input to ] with the WMF staff? Thank you for your consideration. ] (]) 07:51, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

2265:* I counted David as a Wikifriend. Reliable, knowedgable, friendly, direct, and effectve. Now I add "Missed" to the list. 🇺🇦 ] ] 🇺🇦 20:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC) 10809:

Since you're in the malls wikiproject, I'd like you to weigh in ]. '''Ten Pound Hammer''' • (]) 11:23, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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poor COI advert spammer for an article of only minor value to Knowledge. Yet Knowledge policy is to keep articles if reliable sources exist rather than if they are likely to ever be used.

17452: 16546: 11059:* King Fahd University for Petroleum and Minerals: http://kfupm.akhtaboot.com , http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093487940/Akhtaboot-Cares-Initiative-Partners-with-Middlesex-University-Dubai 6304:

Thanks for your support on ]. I have added some comments to the article's talk page and would be grateful if you could take a look and guide me. Thanks ] (]) 09:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

2849:*Very say when I checked your talk page and found this. Thanks for all your contributions to Knowledge, and belated condolences to your family and friends. ] (]) 14:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC) 395::::Video from the lightning talks is now available via Commons. DGG's lightning talk is the first one, proposal #1 is detailed at 2:15 and #2 at 3:00. - ] (]) 06:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC) 11015:* Al Sharjah National Career Exhibition - United Arab Emirates (If you look at the bottom of the page, Akhtaboot has been their online recruitment partner): http://www.nationalcareer.ae/ 10655::Yes, it will be better to discuss them together. I was perhaps too optimistic in thinking the prod would stick. New low in organizational gibberish. ''']''' (]) 04:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 8237:

hours session''' tomorrow at to discuss it. If you're a regex nut, existing abuse filter writer, or simply interested in the feedback tool and have suggestions, please do come along :).

1044:*An outstanding, kind, and generous person. I had the great pleasure of meeting him in real life several times. I will remember him and miss him. תנצב״ה. ] (]) 19:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 19759:

So sad to hear. I meet you in Articles for Deletion many years ago, as you are Inclusionist I also found myself trying to save and improve the articles before deletion. Good Bye David.

5537:{{tps}} Im confused. Accusation of rudeness may or may not be justified. Dont care. How did the "c" word come up? None of the linked diffs include it? ] (]) 19:25, 17 January 2012 (UTC) 5084:: If you go to the page, you'll find vol 4 of Mechademia is available. That wasn't clear in what I just said -- sorry about that. Hope this is clearer. ] (]) 18:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 4649:

We also have a proposal to test new "accepted," "declined," and "on-hold" templates at Articles for Creation (drafts ]). The ] isn't closed yet, so please weigh in if you're interested.

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Hey, am back with query once again, are youtube personalities notable enough to get on WP ? Please help me out over here ] and check this ]. Thanks. ] (]) 18:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

2860:*I just came here to ping him for input on someting and I'm sorry to hear this. Obviously a lot of editors relied on his skills too. He will be missed! - ] (]) 00:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC) 20950: 20748: 8216:

Our awesome designers have been making some new logos for the feedback page :) Check out ] and ] to get complete coverage; all opinions, comments and suggestions are welcome on ] :).

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the same page. I think I endorse your viewpoint that an EduCap article could be created to address its controversies, but the treatment it is given here represents a clear case of ].

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You've nailed the core of what we've lost in David, and SlimVirgin. The true fundamentals of the project. While we mourn both, I think the impact of their absence is still to come.

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A special friend, my mentor, a beautiful human being. I am heartbroken. Words cannot express the loss and sadness I’m feeling. Grateful that he was able to see his first grandson.

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as a declined draft, recognising it as notable, and passing it through AfC into mainspace. To me, that gives a huge indication to the enormous positive effect he had on Knowledge.

2155:*Aw, man he was such an interesting guy. Will miss having him around. At least we still have his Knowledge memories for all time. Thanks posterity. ] (]) 17:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC) 19427:

I just heard. That is sad. I'll miss him greatly. I was really fond of him. He was one of most humane and rationale people I knew. I'll miss him. The family have my condolences.

14236::) My (]) | 20:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC) 2188:* On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, I attended the 2nd Annual Wiki-Conference at the Interactive Telecommunications Program at NYU. This was my first wiki event; that was when I met DGG. 670:*That's... I have no words. DGG was the best of us. He will be missed. ]|] 17:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 14350:::apparently I was working too late at night. I've removed my closes as redundant--and I note that I agreed completely with the other admin. ''']''' (]) 17:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC) 1033:* David could always be counted on to see users as real people, and not to accept conventional wisdom on face value. He will be greatly missed. --] (]) 19:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21106: 19948:

Thank you for your contributions to Knowledge, DGG. You will long be remembered for your hard work in helping newcomers, improving others' content creations and cleaning up the

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On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, I attended the 2nd Annual Wiki-Conference at the Interactive Telecommunications Program at NYU. This was my first wiki event; that was when I met DGG.

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were. There were a few that were live drafts because someone else had built on the draft redirect post-AfC acceptance, but there are no live drafts started by DGG as articles.

1935:* Shocked to hear about your passing. I think the legacy left behind will speak volumes about what Knowledge represents. Truly a great loss. – ] (]) 12:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 8440:::For ''Assistant'' professors, and corresponding ranks outside the US, it similarly goes case by case, and almost all AfD results have been "not notable". I agree with this. 2144:*A great editor and administrator... DGG made me a better editor back in 2008, and I have been a follower of his since, he will be missed... - ] (]) 22:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC) 1484:*RIP. I didn't know him that well but it's clear from his body of work and the tributes above that he was one of the greatest editors here. ''']'''] 07:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 17801:

in his voice about his grandson were a true light in an upside down world. Our coverage of academic topics will be lesser for your loss. Rest well my friend. You are missed.

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Devastating. One of the best editors I knew. I greatly respected DGG for their work, commitment and caring demeanor. Extremely sad. My condolences to his family and friends.

4457::::Done. Thanks for the quick response. ] • ] 01:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC) 4062:* '''Twinkle''': We've proposed a test of AFD and PROD notifications delivered via Twinkle, which has been positively received. (See: ], ]) This test should start this week. 6645:

He even tells that he has experienced the same thing, so he knows the feeling, and in the same sentence he says it his his job to 'rip up a paper' and say that it 'is crap'.

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I've closed the AfD and redirected the article to ]. You commented that there's a possibility for a content merge, feel free to go ahead now. ]] 22:17, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Devastating. David was one of my favourite editors of all time. He brought so much knowledge and energy to this project and yet was always humble. I will miss him greatly.

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writing about the comapny (as opposed to their products), the article was ripe for deletion. Would ] have be a more appropriate choice, or is the article sufficient as-is?

1319:*Absolutely awful to hear--David was one of the best of us, and I hope his family knows how highly he was regarded in this community. ] ''(]·])'' 01:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 20545: 19596:“The point of Knowledge is not to do the social activism that's necessary in the world, but to provide the information that people can use who want to do social activism.” 1440:*Rest in peace, Mr. Goodman. You were a role model to me over the years, a true leader, modest and honest. Respect. Thank you for all. ] (] / ]) 06:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 18643: 17055:

Very sad news. He was a trove of knowledge from whom I learned so very much. His enthusiasm in rescuing old and abandoned drafts from being lost to G13 was unmatched. –

11004:* Tawdheef Abu Dhabi Job Fair - United Arab Emirates(If you look at the bottom of the page, Akhtaboot has been their online recruitment partner): http://www.tawdheef.ae/ 934:* I am deeply saddened by his departure and I think the loss is vast. Condolences to his family and my sympathy for the NYC community. --] (]) 18:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 846:* A great loss. David was erudite, kind, driven, and nurturing. It was always a pleasure to speak with him in person. He will be missed. ] (]) 17:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 527:*Undoubtedly one of the most important and prolific editors in the history of the site. As BD says, another great one gone-- rest in peace. ]] 17:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 6539:

Shark Tank (see version of his Talk page) (also note the difference in the entire Talk page taking into account that there are only 2 hours between those two pages)).

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I case you're not aware, you might consider using ] – it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete ] for your links. All you do is install the script:

2089:* Wow, another great editor gone... May he rest in peace. <nowiki>{</nowiki>{ping|]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> (]/]) 20:27, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 2056:*One of the most patient, compassionate, and understanding people I've ever had the privilege of interacting with. This is very sad news. ] ] 18:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 1176:* Awful news. DGG was important to Knowledge in countless ways and will be sorely missed. One of the greats. Condolences to his family. ] (]) 21:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 4104:

Thanks for your help and support, ] • ] 02:39, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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One of the greats. Thank you so much for all your help to a new editor and your endless patience with my many failings. Your memory is and will always be a blessing.

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I only just discovered this today... so sad. My belated condolences go out to David's family and friends. Thank you for your many years of service - rest in peace. --

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Are you kidding me? I had the honor of working with David on ArbCom some years ago and always found it a pleasure to collaborate with him. We lost another good soul.

14923:**I had done so, at ]. I didn't think I was needed beyond that, though I did just now add my name at the just-started RfC, ] ''']''' (]) 00:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC) 10541:::::I deProded Chaiyong Satjipanon because being the ambassador to six nations, including the United States, would appear to be notable. I also found some Thai refs. 18965: 18203:

Being born with the name Goodman is quite a start in life… well, David did live up to that name. I'm thankful to have "known" him here. Yes, may he rest in peace. –

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the journal page at Project MUSE (because that is apparently spam for a paysite, whereas the Amazon links are sources...) Thanks! --] (]) 08:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

20681:, thank you for the ping; I'm so very sorry to hear about DGG's passing. I was just thinking of him earlier this morning. I am happy to help out in any way I can. 18128:

Had the good fortune to meet and talk with at the Wikimania in Montreal - a kind and generous person, and will be sorely missed. Condolences to family and friends.

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this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on ''my'' talkpage, or in my inbox - {{nospam|okeyes|wikimedia.org}}.

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I think so too. I left it in place initially with just the talk page note in case someone thought a history merge was needed. On further review, I don't think so.

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A staggering loss for Knowledge, DGG was always one of the editors I wished I could emulate. To family and those who knew him personally, my deepest condolences.

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is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

20597:, which may have been a typo. As we did with Possibly, happy to work on any drafts David had in progress. Can anyone with better search skills help pull a list? @ 19937:

I was very sad to hear of David's passing. Was a pleasure working him and was great meeting him in NYC a number of years ago. I send my condolences to his family.

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there will be--one of the reasons I gave the talk was to get some feedback about just what to propose, and I am already getting some. Watch this space tomorrow.

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I added some information to show it is already actually publishing articles. What is needed now is published comments ''from third parties'' about the jhournal

5955:* All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time. 4799:::(and for over 100 earlier discussions on this & closely related issues from my talk p, see my topic archive, ] ). ''']''' (]) 05:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC) 3785::::::Thanks DGG. I'll try to be sharper about catching such attributions in the future. ''']'''] 17:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC) 21189: 20983:

exists as a redirect, I think this can be deleted. It will not be worked on, and is not significant to DGG's legacy like his original drafts and various essays.

7057::::Not sure where I referred to me being a coach/mentor thinking that I was role/job as mentor/coach. But I do this on the ]. ] (]) 20:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC) 1869:* Wow, you were one of the best admins. Thanks for unblocking me a long time ago, though I might never create another account ] ] (]) 16:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 20144:

worth taking seriously and mindfully. This is a loss to our project, but far more to his family and friends. Rest well, David. We won't see your like again.

11739:::unfortunately, not as impressive as it might seem, considering that 10 or 20% of them are just to correct my own typos. ''']''' (]) 03:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC) 8176:

very sorry for the delay :(. There were some toolserver database issues beyond our control (which I think the ''Signpost'' discussed) that messed with the tool.

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Could you perhaps have a look at this article and the remarks I made at this talk page and tell me what you think? Thanks! --] (]) 22:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

4084:* '''XLinkBot''': the herders of XLinkBot have approved a test of its warning messages concerning external links. Test templates are ] and help is most welcome. 2177:*While we barely, if ever, spoke, I know of and have seen the great work he's done for the community. Rest in peace. -'''''] (])''''' 18:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC) 1726:*Extremely sad news. His work, passion and sense of humor will be missed. my deepest sympathy to his family and friends. ]|] 00:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 4051:* '''SDPatrolBot''': There is a new test running on the talk page messages of ], which warns people who remove CSD templates. (Documentation of the test is ].) 16953:

I'm devastated. Ever since my early steps on WP, David was there to guide and counsel me. I learned so much from him, I feel orphaned. Rest now, my friend. --

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I've been piled up at work, and just now catching up on an excellent discussion at WT:RFA – far better than the usual "the sky is falling, what are we to do".

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You're always in my prayers! Thank you for your contributions to Knowledge. Your kindness will never be forgotten. Regards ] (]) 17:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

9023::::::I still haven't forgotten. Some discussions this last week were rather long to deal with, & I'm a little behind. ''']''' (]) 03:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC) 4223:

Hi DGG! I've just come across one of your edits (or that you have been patrolling new pages), and noticed that you might appreciate some help with references.

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is also of interest to me. Unfortunately I haven't yet been able to find a COMMONNAME for this idea. As the prior, it seems to be something DGG had adopted.

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losing decent people, even those I have never met. But I'm also grateful that their earthly gift will continue way beyond their earthly presence. RIP David.

5989:(to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name ] instead. 438:

directly edit ], but please bring discussion to ]. I will later replace this development message with the link to the obituary. ]] 16:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

12443::Also, thoughts on nominating one or both for DYK? A little worried that the topic will attract vandalism if given visibility. ] (]) 20:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC) 8257:

I'm pretty sure that's it; if I've missed anything or you have any additional queries, don't hesitate to contact me! Thanks, ] (]) 14:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

2067:* While I never interacted with you, Knowledge has had a lasting impact from you, rest in peace. ] | ] (he|him) 18:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 21663: 20078:

Very say when I checked your talk page and found this. Thanks for all your contributions to Knowledge, and belated condolences to your family and friends.

18961: 2629:* Very sorry to hear this. I interacted with DGG many times without ever learning anything about him as a person. Great loss. ] (]) 12:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC) 1616:* So sorry to hear this. My condolences to his family and friends. '']]Chequers'' 14:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 13023:

Your comments in the AfD for ]. ]of] 04:40, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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whatever reason, let me know on ] and I'm happy to send you the logs so you can get an idea of what happened :). Regards, ] (]) 23:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

1506:* You will be missed. Rest in peace. Your good work serves as a foundation and will be built upon by the rest of us here. ] (]) 08:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 1363:*David was a great person and a great Wikipedian, I had the pleasure of meeting him in person on two memorable occasions. ] (]) 02:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 1154:*:that is beautiful. Thanks @]. This one hits hard. ] ] 01:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 21193: 20092:

I just came here to ping him for input on someting and I'm sorry to hear this. Obviously a lot of editors relied on his skills too. He will be missed! -

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An outstanding, kind, and generous person. I had the great pleasure of meeting him in real life several times. I will remember him and miss him. תנצב״ה.

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hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

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As a courtesy notification for your consideration, your name has been referenced by me in a recent post to ]. Regards. ] (]) 18:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

1561:* We have lost a legend. The good effects of his hard work & wisdom will ripple on for a long time, perhaps forever. ] (]) 11:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 133: 14121:

Was ] ever completed? ]]] 21:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

12643::::How about those that were submitted by DGG? (Evidently there may be some going by the acceptance notice for ] below) ] (]) 07:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC) 5073:

on the talk page, but not in the article itself. Check the link yourself and then, if you want, add it to the article. ] (]) 18:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

1473:* What a loss. He really was one of the leaders we never had. – ] (]) 06:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 1451:* DGG was one of the most well-known and well-respected members of our community. We have lost one of our best editors. ] (]) 06:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 21289: 20738: 17772:

I am so sorry to hear this. David was a major influence on me in my early Wikimedia days, and I was always happy when we were able to work together. --

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hoax could survive as long as the prankster fabled it around a book or a film, with a future release date no less. IMO ] (]) 23:02, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Many universities also chose Akhtaboot to power the career's section of their website with Akhtaboot Microsite solution (a whitelabel of Akhtaboot.com:

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Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at

1055:*A huge loss. I liked and respected DGG immensely. Deepest condolences to his family. --'']'' ] ] 19:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 20340: 16681:

Video from the lightning talks is now available via Commons. DGG's lightning talk is the first one, proposal #1 is detailed at 2:15 and #2 at 3:00. -

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Just wanna thank you sir for being unbiased and allowing my page (List of telenovelas of GMA Network) to exist. Again, thank you, sir and God bless:)

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A fine editor and fellow Wikimedia NYC member has left us. His hard work will be greatly missed; my sincere condolences to his friends and family. /

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Thanks again, ] • ] 18:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

5933:* Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.) 2497:*Farewell, DGG. Your support early in my Knowledge experience was pivotal in my remaining here. You will be missed. ] (]) 22:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC) 21329: 20763: 20594: 19064:

Aw, man he was such an interesting guy. Will miss having him around. At least we still have his Knowledge memories for all time. Thanks posterity.

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and it never got in the way because of the respect we had for each other. If anything, we both learned a little. You will be missed, old friend.

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This is very sad news. DGG was an immensely valued contributor here, and his loss will be felt. My sincere condolences to his friends and family.

14030::I provided about 7 sources over on Noun's Talk page. Looks like most of them just came out over the last couple days. ] 13:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC) 362:::::Sounds good. I will evangelize to the communities I'm part of, as soon as there's something to show them. - ] (]) 20:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC) 18647: 16581: 12913:

For cleaning up ]! Your editing expertise is much appreciated and respected by this lowly Huggle jockey. Cheers! ] (]) 00:12, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

10394:#There are several articles that aren't tagged yet that I would like to add to the project if you think that's ok. ] (]) 02:39, 27 May 2012 (UTC) 2519:* DGG's comments were perceptive, fair, reasonable and constructive; and he was improbably energetic to boot. -- ] (]) 02:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC) 2486:*A huge loss. DGG was a giant of the Knowledge community. RIP -- ] - ]/] 15:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC) 2453:*Sad news indeed and my condolences to DGG's family and loved ones. Arrivederci, DGG. ] (]) 21:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC) 1759:*This is deeply saddening news. My deepest condolences. ''']''' (aka ] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 06:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 17393:

David could always be counted on to see users as real people, and not to accept conventional wisdom on face value. He will be greatly missed. --

12100::@] ] contains all his subpages but I didn't know David well enough to know his organisational system. ] | ] 13:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 10973::If there are any references from 2012, please add them. Then it's up to the community to make the decision ''']''' (]) 18:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC) 12980:"There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery." — ]. You will be always remembered.... ] (]) 05:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC) 12344::::: I think several of these may have been draftified to userspace per deletion discussions. ] is one of these. ] ] 18:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC) 5638::FYI and consideration, I have replied to your observations posted to one of the "Swiftboating" ]. Regards. ] (]) 16:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC) 19050:

A great editor and administrator... DGG made me a better editor back in 2008, and I have been a follower of his since, he will be missed... -

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I'm finding more and more that newbies are misunderstanding about when primary sources are acceptable, or even if they are acceptable at all.

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Thanks for your interest, and don't hesitate to drop by the talk page if you have a suggestion or question. ] (]) 19:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Shocked to hear about your passing. I think the legacy left behind will speak volumes about what Knowledge represents. Truly a great loss. –

659:*DGG was a fount of institutional knowledge on this project. This is such a huge loss.-- ]] 17:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 19874:

So sad to hear of this news. I remember David well on here and I have learned a lot from his many insights into the project. Rest in peace.

482:*Heartbreaking news. He was a great editor, administrator and former ArbCom member. And a very nice person. ] (]) 17:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21285: 20733: 18083:

RIP. I didn't know him that well but it's clear from his body of work and the tributes above that he was one of the greatest editors here.

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Undoubtedly one of the most important and prolific editors in the history of the site. As BD says, another great one gone-- rest in peace.

9270::::::Good point and good suggestion (thanks King!), I have made this change, let's hope it sticks. Thanks! --] (]) 16:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC) 2364:* Very sad to hear this news. David was one of the greats and he will be missed. ''Shalom ve lehitra'ot''. ] (]) 13:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC) 18651: 15300:::No I tend to agree with the clarification given. I simply needed the additional perspective. Thank you. ] (]) 23:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC) 6666:

their 'main' job....); so I can hardly imagine that he checks if the user who wrote the article he norminates for SD is a new user or not.

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for a break and some reflective consideration, I may not post my response before the blackout. Regards. ] (]) 19:18, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

5041::I'll comment there. But it's good to see a journal article that does have reviews of the journal. ''']''' (]) 01:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 4040:* '''Huggle''': There are tests still running in ] of level 1 templates, including a new template written by ]. A full list is available ] 18921:

One of the most patient, compassionate, and understanding people I've ever had the privilege of interacting with. This is very sad news.

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For those of you who use UBX and would like to remember David that way, {{User:Pdebee/UBX/RemembersAbsentFriend|DGG}} now exists. Thanks

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Immediately, I was struck by his knowledge, thoughtfulness, and demeanor. I also quickly became aware of the conviction of his beliefs.

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I am deeply saddened by his departure and I think the loss is vast. Condolences to his family and my sympathy for the NYC community. --

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A great loss. David was erudite, kind, driven, and nurturing. It was always a pleasure to speak with him in person. He will be missed.

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ood. Farewell, fellow New Yorker and virtual acquaintance. Thank you for making the world, and especially this space, a better place.

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Rest in peace, Mr. Goodman. You were a role model to me over the years, a true leader, modest and honest. Respect. Thank you for all.

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Awful news. DGG was important to Knowledge in countless ways and will be sorely missed. One of the greats. Condolences to his family.

10893:*Those of you who hand-coded feedback; I ''believe'' I contacted you all about t-shirts. If I didn't, ] and I'll get it sorted out :). 3626:

I think you and I with our combined experience could go a long way to help develop this. --] (]) 05:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

2926:* Just found out, and it crushes me - a truly great man. TY for all you helped me with over the years. ] (]) 18:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC) 20850: 20723: 20335: 20136:

Good heavens, just heard of this myself. DGG and I ... we collaborated, we clashed, we debated, but he was one of the Wikipedians I

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life, he always showed up ready to listen and learn. He was one of the people I truly admired in our community, and it's a sad loss.

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Absolutely awful to hear--David was one of the best of us, and I hope his family knows how highly he was regarded in this community.

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Greetings DGG. Why are the following AfDs closed twice? ? Regards. – ]]] 07:58, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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2276:* How sad to lose such a wise, energetic, knowledgeable, and helpful editor. Condolences to his family. ]] 16:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC) 20004:

Wow, this is the first I've heard of it. DGG was one of the greats, I haven't been this affected by a passing since Brian Boulton.

19229:. In his work as an editor and administrator, I found him to be wise and compassionate. To use a probably archaic phrase, he was a 9585:

Thanks for all your helpful comments. Put me in a slightly better mood ;-) ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 01:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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bad result, or simply promotion. Also, if it's now good enough, feel free to take off my prod. TY. ] (]) 03:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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for the job. If my first article had been controlled by DGA I probably would have stopped contributing anything to Wiki ever again.

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I wouldn't say there is anything left in that space that he "put effort into"; there was one that he commented briefly on (e.g.

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And many others, do you think the above can be included in the article and is it worthy enough?--] (]) 13:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

2100:*Thank you, David, and rest easy. ] ▸ ]] 22:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC) 20835:

far on the artists website) he would meet both GNG and NARTIST if independent sources can be found. I'll see what's out there.

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It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these ]. Thanks, ] (]) 13:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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useful information may be put back into the main article. I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks. —]] 03:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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I said that yesterday, a day early. David left his , and without old newsletters it looked . --] (]) 07:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

1792:* This is very sad, RIP DGG. A longstanding and invaluable contributor to the project. – ] (] / ]) ] 08:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 28: 21052:

Also, thoughts on nominating one or both for DYK? A little worried that the topic will attract vandalism if given visibility.

14041:::{{tps}} ] is the guideline on reliable sources. That is likely the best place to start. ] - ] ] 20:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC) 835:* So sorry to hear about this. A great and knowledgeable editor who will be sorely missed. --] (]) 17:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 20325: 19169:

I counted David as a Wikifriend. Reliable, knowedgable, friendly, direct, and effectve. Now I add "Missed" to the list. 🇺🇦

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Wow, you were one of the best admins. Thanks for unblocking me a long time ago, though I might never create another account

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Join us at ] on Saturday starting at 1pm for our annual meeting and elections, details at ]!--] (]) 17:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

8707:::: I finally found the old paperbacks; there were more than I thought. Is it ISBN#s and page numbers you're needing? Yours, 8513:

Inan effort to improve ] in our articles, me and a couple other editors have created two lists of self-publishing companies:

6964::As Knowledge gets larger, change gets more difficult -- but also more necessary. ''']''' (]) 04:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC) 1836:*DGG was the go-to person for notability of academics, a very tricky subject. I'll miss him. ] (]) 12:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 802:*This is very sad news. Condolences to the family. ] '']'' | '']'' 17:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 769:* Those loss of a great Wikipedian. Was great working together over the last decade. ] (] · ] · ]) 11:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC) 69: 20879:, and its primary importance in deletion discussions. For that I am eternally grateful. Working from some of the sources in 19745:

Very sorry to hear this. I interacted with DGG many times without ever learning anything about him as a person. Great loss.

11864::Yeah, we should honor DGG for all the good that he has done for WIkipedia and for the world. ] (]) 23:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC) 3003:* My thoughts and prayers go out to David and his family and friends. Rest in peace. ] (] - ]) 20:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC) 1132:* I admired David for his wisdom, persistence, and kind spirit, and I will miss him a lot.--] (]) 20:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21475:

You're always in my prayers! Thank you for your contributions to Knowledge. Your kindness will never be forgotten. Regards

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This is tragic. David will be sorely missed. My condolences to his family. Hell, it felt like we were part of his family.

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Hi, we are still hoping you would make some suggestions on ]. Your help will be appreciated. ] (]) 02:32, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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David was a great person and a great Wikipedian, I had the pleasure of meeting him in person on two memorable occasions.

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Just found out. Very sad to see. Thankyou for contributions and reasoning in disputes. RIP! ♦ ] 11:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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As part of Akhtaboot's expansion, it has participated in many job fairs in Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates in 2012:

2750:* ''(belatedly)'' damn, never got the chance to meet DGG. Will miss him/farewell. ] (] '''·''' ]) 08:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC) 1077:* DGG was the reviewer who ] almost exactly 4 years ago and got me going down this path. ] (]) 20:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 20493:

Today would be DGG's 16th anniversary of becoming an admin. If only he was here to experience it. May he rest in peace.

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Extremely sad news. His work, passion and sense of humor will be missed. my deepest sympathy to his family and friends.

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You will be missed. Rest in peace. Your good work serves as a foundation and will be built upon by the rest of us here.

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According to himself he hardly ever uses the SDN process, but when you look at his contributions many SDN's can be seen.

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We have lost a legend. The good effects of his hard work & wisdom will ripple on for a long time, perhaps forever.

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DGG was one of the most well-known and well-respected members of our community. We have lost one of our best editors.

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Rest in peace, Dave! Your generous edits and immortal acts here will be remembered. – ] (]) 19:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

989:* Sad to hear. A wise and omnipresent contributor who will be impossible to replace. ] (]) 19:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 890:* Rest well, DGG, you've lived a great life and your memory surely will be a blessing! ] ] 18:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21409: 20670: 20644: 19943: 18955: 18886: 18665: 17623: 16948: 11081:* British Uni in Dubai: http://buid.akhtaboot.com , http://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/akhtaboot-career-buid-427030 3037::Rest in peace, DGG, by the by I was just passing through and I had heard about this ] (]) 22:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC) 2684:* The Knowledge community is all the lesser for this loss. I will miss DGG immensely. --]] 10:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC) 20919: 20901: 20844: 20829: 20711: 20690: 20023: 19723: 19521:

Farewell, DGG. Your support early in my Knowledge experience was pivotal in my remaining here. You will be missed.

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still processing it, but it is definitely clear that he will be sincerely missed by many people here including me.

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journal website doesn't say so explicitly. Your opinion would be welcome. Thanks! --] (]) 13:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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DGG set a standard to which I aspire. His love of learning, teaching, and sharing was and remains an inspiration.

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Rest in peace, David. The English Knowledge and Wikimedia NYC won't be the same without you. You will be missed!

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Can we tell if he had anything in ] space, or did he only use Userspace drafts? ] (]) 17:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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DGG's comments were perceptive, fair, reasonable and constructive; and he was improbably energetic to boot. --

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I'm sad to read that you're gone — have enjoyed the interactions that we've had, both in person and online. --

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nevertheless ask for your permission to add the quote. OK with you? I'm fine if you decline this.

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Could you show me where it says ambassadors are automatically notable because. ] (]) 07:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

1011:* Painful to hear; we have suffered a great loss to this project. --] | ] 19:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 145: 108: 21341: 21242:

How about those that were submitted by DGG? (Evidently there may be some going by the acceptance notice for

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Sounds good. I will evangelize to the communities I'm part of, as soon as there's something to show them. -

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Rest in peace. An esteemed and valuable contributed... thank you for the time you gave and shared with us.

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I am so sorry to learn this sad news just now, and send my heartfelt condolences to his family and friends.

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Heartbreaking news. He was a great editor, administrator and former ArbCom member. And a very nice person.

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edition referred to, is in 33 libraries. How would you assess it against ]? ] (]) 17:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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his page creations in Draft. I don't know if there's a way to filter out those that were AfC acceptances.

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I rescued a second link to another of DGG's user pages, which he had merged. The remaining red link under

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There's more to read on ] and the archived discussions that it points to. ] (]) 00:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Not sure if you saw it, but I sent you an email. ] '']'' 15:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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independent. Perhaps too complicated for CSD... Should I take it to AfD? --] (]) 16:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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In case you didn't see this, a new article you might be interested in. --] (]) 11:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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is to a 2009 page of notes about a user interface beta, which he later deleted as no longer relevant. –

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stated your view today, so that future editors looking back can read it and consider it in a new light.

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pushing advert or uphold policy to the letter. ] (COI Disclosure on User Page) 08:36, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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please remove your name from ].'' — ] (]) 17:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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Just found out, and it crushes me - a truly great man. TY for all you helped me with over the years.

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How sad to lose such a wise, energetic, knowledgeable, and helpful editor. Condolences to his family.

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I am saddened to hear of David's passing. May those close to him find peace in this difficult time. --

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Rest in peace. Wishing strength to the near and dear. Hope we can all continue to draw on his wisdom.

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I am sorry for having disturbed this place. Let it remain peaceful! ] (]) 22:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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What do you think of this: ]. Feel free to reply there if you choose. ] - ] ] 12:33, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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I'm very much saddened by this news. I've worked with DGG for years, and he was a titan amongst us.

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intellectually reliable federal appellate judge whose name one sighed in relief to see on an opinion.

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please remove your name from ].'' — ] (]) 21:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

2662:* Sorry to hear of David's passing. Knowledge has lost one of its best. ] (]) 10:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC) 97: 21391: 21275: 8952:::haven't forgotten: I will get there tomorrow or this weekend. ''']''' (]) 05:18, 11 May 2012 (UTC) 8853:::haven't forgotten: I will get there tomorrow or this weekend. ''']''' (]) 05:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC) 2651:* Man are we lucky he wanted to spend his time with us. Thank you DGG. ] (]) 07:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC) 21529: 21489: 20501: 20466: 20015: 19852:

gentle soul, his imprint on the project will remain long. I think we all are lessened by his loss.

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David, could you perhaps give your opinion on this issue? Thanks! --] (]) 09:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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contains all his subpages but I didn't know David well enough to know his organisational system.

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somehow think that this may not be the right way to go. Thanks! --] (]) 07:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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While I never interacted with you, Knowledge has had a lasting impact from you, rest in peace.

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Hi ] member, we wanted to share a quick update on the status of the project. Here's the skinny:

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Just found out. Very sad to see. Thankyou for contributions and reasoning in disputes. RIP! ♦

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Rest in peace. I remember you being a good presence throughout the Wikis. You will be missed.

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Yeah, we should honor DGG for all the good that he has done for WIkipedia and for the world.

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DGG was the go-to person for notability of academics, a very tricky subject. I'll miss him.

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So sorry to hear about this. A great and knowledgeable editor who will be sorely missed. --

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I admired David for his wisdom, persistence, and kind spirit, and I will miss him a lot.--

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and offline so wanted to kick this off early for any ideas. ] ] 02:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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This is to inform you that this article has been ] at ]. - ] (]) 23:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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I think several of these may have been draftified to userspace per deletion discussions.

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better for you despite how diminished your passing leaves us. Rest peacefully my friend.

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and moved to DGG's user space to attempt to salvage it from various deficiencies. Since

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The Knowledge community is all the lesser for this loss. I will miss DGG immensely. --

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DGG was a fount of institutional knowledge on this project. This is such a huge loss.--

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This is very sad, RIP DGG. A longstanding and invaluable contributor to the project. –

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A huge loss. I liked and respected DGG immensely. Deepest condolences to his family. --

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Rest in peace, Dave! Your generous edits and immortal acts here will be remembered. –

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Horrible news - a huge editor so many of us interacted with over so many years. <3

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It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). ] (]) 02:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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active. We have never met in person but I consider those who did to be fortunate. —

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Sad news indeed and my condolences to DGG's family and loved ones. Arrivederci, DGG.

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Rest well, DGG, you've lived a great life and your memory surely will be a blessing!

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was a duplicate built on a redirect that he had left behind, so I re-redirected it.

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Rest in peace, DGG, by the by I was just passing through and I had heard about this

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My thoughts and prayers go out to David and his family and friends. Rest in peace.

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Sad to hear. A wise and omnipresent contributor who will be impossible to replace.

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Those loss of a great Wikipedian. Was great working together over the last decade.

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Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:

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Goodbye, Mr. Goodman, but thank you for everything you did when you were with us.

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Very saddening news. Rest in peace, and my condolences to the family and friends.

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always be a blessing for the Wikipedians of today and of the generations to come.

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it) that every day in life is a day we can be curious and contribute and enjoy.--

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worked together to keep viable articles from G13 so hoping that path will help.

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He was a bright spot in one of my Wikimanias. Very sorry to see him go. - Dank (

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Rest in peace, David. A great contributor to the project, he will be missed. :(

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What a loss, to his friends and to Knowledge. I'm sad. Rest in peace, David. --

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Very sad to hear this news. David was one of the greats and he will be missed.

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contacted him and that he did extensively answered to your comments. Thanks :-)

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We're currently busy designing some new tests, and we need your feedback/input!

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with an expressed intent to provide non-antisemetic coverage of these topics.

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Weizenbaum Institute for the Networked Society - The German Internet Institute

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I do not attempt to convert my opponents--I aim at converting their audience.

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God bless and R.I.P. I can't believe we are losing so many editors this way.

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the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.

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I am so sorry to hear of DGG's passing. He was such a wonderful person! --

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Hey David. Just saw your comments on the about AfD etc. and wanted to say:

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You will be missed, sorely. My sincere condolences to family and friends.

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Saddened to hear about this; few have contributed so much to the project.

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point :). Hope to see you there! Regards, ] (]) 03:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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Very sad news. I know a few English wiki admins, DGG being one of them. —

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Further questions or issues to ]. Thanks, ] (]) 17:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available ].

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Absolutely heartbreaking. A wonderful person both on and off Wikiepdia.

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Very sad. I have had good interactions with him over the years on WP. --

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lists, it would be greatly appreciated. ] (]) 23:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hey all. My regular(ish) update on what's been happening with the new ].

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If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at

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Sorry to hear of David's passing. Knowledge has lost one of its best.

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missed. I hope his family reads these tributes and feels great pride.

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That's... I have no words. DGG was the best of us. He will be missed.

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I'm surprised that you didn't comment. ] (]) 00:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Man are we lucky he wanted to spend his time with us. Thank you DGG.

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Just looking at the last thing David ever did on Knowledge, spotting

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a huge editor so many of us interacted with over so many years. <3

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I am sorry for having disturbed this place. Let it remain peaceful!

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Goodbye David, the world and WP are a better place because of you.

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and a walking educational resource. May his memory be a blessing.

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So sorry to hear this. My condolences to his family and friends.

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Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

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damn, never got the chance to meet DGG. Will miss him/farewell.

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A huge loss. DGG was a giant of the Knowledge community. RIP --

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were found precious. That's what you are, remembered always. --

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Wow, another great editor gone... May he rest in peace. {{ping|

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Rest in peace David. Condolences to all friends and family. --

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Thought you might want to expand ].♦ ] 11:55, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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My condolences and best wishes to David's family and friends.

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The best admin I knew. Condolences to all who knew him more.

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and offline so wanted to kick this off early for any ideas.

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almost exactly 4 years ago and got me going down this path.

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comments on AfD and AiN) - e.g. obviously ArbCom, but also

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Wonderful man! My thoughts and prayers for his family. --

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Rest in peace David, it was a pleasure working with you.--

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Hope to hear from you, ] (]) 21:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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RIP, DGG. The wiki is that much poorer without you here.

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Truly one of our finest editors. He will be much missed.

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I have answered you on ]. ] (]) 18:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

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Thanks for your help! ] (]) 01:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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One of the most important things I learned from DGG was

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If you like you can add this userbox to your collection.

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and will look for sourcing for anything not in it from

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Rest in peace, pal. ] (]) 18:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hi DGG. I just did a bunch of my first AfD discussions.

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Looking at the history, it was originally created by

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nobody is truly dead while their name is still spoken

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In remembrance of your great work and encouragement

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I cannot think of any better epitaph. Rest in peace.

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referring to. Thanks] (]) 03:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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Condolences to the family. 10860:Just a quick update on what we've been working on: 6054:Jonathan Obar --] (]) 05:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC) 447:Hi DGG, or if I may be so bold, David, 19211:leaves a big void, and will be missed by many. -- 13112:==Notification of nomination for deletion of ]== 5922:* Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes. 3404:== I'm sure I've seen you reference this essay == 21655: 18848:המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבילי ציון וירושלים -- 17160:things, so never got the chance. A sad loss :-( 14809:==Disambiguation link notification for June 28== 8075:::tonight. ''']''' (]) 18:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC) 7545:==Please help out at the Paid Editor Help page== 7086:==New Page Triage engagement strategy released== 3857:== Testing those alternate templates you made == 1880:* Rest in peace ] (]) 16:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC) 20808:hah! I was just about to ping you on that one @ 19082:I learned a lot from him and already miss him. 18611:A wonderful person. Thank you. Rest in peace. 13034:::thanks. ''']''' (]) 14:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC) 13462:== Question about Wikimania Takes Manhattan == 7496:All the best, ] (]) 21:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC) 6003:. I will be more than happy to speak with you. 1902:* RIP big guy ] (]) 00:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC) 20932:User:DGG/Jews in the history of American film 20744:User:DGG/Jews in the history of American film 17500: 8376:, in fact. --] (]) 00:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC) 504:*Terrible news. ]] 17:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC) 21669:Wikipedians who opt out of template messages 21330:User:DGG/New York – Chicago Toll Road system 21286:User:DGG/History of Jews in American banking 21091:space, or did he only use Userspace drafts? 20764:User:DGG/New York – Chicago Toll Road system 20734:User:DGG/History of Jews in American banking 20719:David had eight article drafts in progress: 20536: 17071:Very sad to see this. Rest in peace, David. 16823:Very sad news, may David rest in peace. -- 14631::done. 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