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Colonial Pennsylvania, etc. I have doubts we have enough articles to populate such categories. We have some "Colonial American" categories which at times have said thry should include people from anywhere in the US during Colonial times regardless of if they were under Swedish, British, Dutch, Russian Empire, Spanish, French or other control. This might make sense if there was an American nation invaded by European colonizers. However there was not a nation that got broken up. In fact for Calufornia, New Mexico and Texas there is a 25 plus year gap from the end of Colonial rule until they become part of the United States of America. For Utah, Arizona and Nevada there is in almost all their area never Colonial rule at all. I think a better approach is to look at the historical reality. We have an article on
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British from 1763 until 1783, but not in the 13 colonies, but someone who moves from Charleston, South Carolina to St. Augustine in 1772 no more sees themselves as going somewhere new than if thry moved to New York City or Boston or Richmond. Leaving a Colony means more than leaving a modern US state. Still we have Artists from ancient Greece, musicians from ancient Greece etc and those are categories grouping people from a set of oolities that had no political unity at all. I think People from British America and its subcats work in dome cases. However I think we could maybe do by Colony categories for politicians, lawyers and maybe some other categories. Does anyone else have thoughts?
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