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This seems like a pretty good evaluation of the situation. My one concern with merging "List of storms named X" articles is that the List of named storms by letter articles seem to be a bit incomplete. I might go through it and try to beef up some of the descriptions that are no more than an en dash.
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So is there a clear consensus on how hatnotes should be used in tropical cyclone articles (or rather, how readers are directed to articles of other storms with the same name)? It bothers me seeing hatnotes on articles of storms that are clearly distinguishable by the year in the title. I took a look
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I don't believe there is a clear consensus. If the title is clearly distinguishable by the year, then I don't think one is needed, as I stated in the two discussions that you mentioned. I think most of the disambiguation pages should be merged into the individual "List of named storms" by letter.
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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't
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Most of the "List of storms named X" articles are based on the hundreds of dab pages. There's still the problem that they're largely unsourced. I think they could actually be featured lists, and a fantastic way of linking every named storm, if they were improved, and had sources for each
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as you have brought up, and at one point I went around trying to move the "List of storms named X" links to the See also sections instead. Over the past 2 or 3 years I've seen most of that undone, though I haven't really been around enough recently to notice by whom.
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necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page.
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about this and thought there was an agreement about only keeping the hatnotes on clearly more significant tropical cyclones, and maybe remove them on articles of less significant tropical cyclones. This would comply with
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DMY should be used instead of MDY. No country in the basin, much less the very RSMC that officially monitors it, predominantly uses MDY format. What reasoning, if any, is there for these articles to use MDY?
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due to the potential for the name ambiguity. So I suppose that's a good example of when we need the hatnotes, when there is a legit chance for confusion. But the next storm of 2005,
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That's a shame. Not sure if we need to make it an official policy, but the hatnotes and such have always annoyed me a bit, mostly for how messy they make the top of the pages. โ™ซ
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storm/description. Not sure if that's what you had in mind, but it would be a great way of paralleling the other ways that people can find every storm: storms by area (like
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Provide verification for the number of deaths caused by tropical cyclones in recorded human history, organized and cross-referenced by storm intensity (eg.
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Personally, I would rather only see them in articles about a specific system and not seasonal articles, where they look rather out of place.
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Throughout many articles covering North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons, MDY format is used. However, a few outliersโ€”including the
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I believed the common practice was to include hatnotes only for systems without the year in the title, which would satisfy
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It's essentially naming trivia for a bunch of storms that otherwise have no relationship to each other. For example, in
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Hello! I'm a new participant and helper and I have a few suggestions (though most of them might be far-fetched).
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down to see also. But honestly that same page isn't cited, and doesn't have all that much more than what's in
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and related subjects on Knowledge. To participate, help improve this article or visit the
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These are my suggestions for the WikiProject. I understand if you oppose them. Thanks,
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Civil engineering and infrastructure repair in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina
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Expand every season article worldwide to mention every storm in the season
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Please place new discussions at the bottom of the talk page.
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articlesโ€”use DMY. Not only is this inconsistent, but per
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