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Paulley's 13:40 5/9/06 version until I changed it (And I didn't contest it, I just added to it). You are violating both popular opinion on this article and you are violating Knowledge policy. As such, you are the one vandalizing the article, sir. I don't care about my past edits. My past edits on Knowledge (which have all been in good faith whether you want to believe that or not) have no role in this discussion...actually, I take that back...their role here is that they back up the fact that your accusation that I am intentionally disrupting the integrity of Knowledge is proposterous and in violation of
3776:. I just attempted to merge the wrestling article into the real name article per a growing consensus in the Afd (he's also a former member of the KKK and has, to me, a rather interesting bio.) In the course of doing this merge I found myself confused because I don't know a thing about pro wrestling. Mostly I'm having trouble distinguishing exactly what "belt" he holds and what wrestling organization awarded it. The orginal article is a bit hard to follow for a novice like myself. I'd love it if someone would give the original article a read, then check my section on 164:), but I have a couple questions. Firstly, I noticed the task of adding them is not on the Project To Do list, so are they desirable in the opinion of the project membership? And, secondly, should they be added for every championship a notable wrestler has won (even non-notable championships), or only the championships that have their own article already? And, while we're on the topic, I would personally like to add some dates to those boxes, perhaps the duration of the championship (eg. January 29, 1984 to April 1, 1988). What does everyone think? 2781:
Grand Slam Champion. Regardless, I think the non-existence now of a Euro title might be moot, since I seem to remember then using the term before that belt came into existence, so I'd assume that one could also qualify as such now that the belts no longer in existence. And not to seem like we're going crazy with AfDs, but I have to wonder if this article should even exist on Knowledge...the dinstinction itself now seems abritrary and like something that might be appropriate for a wrestling-specific Wiki, but maybe not a general Wiki? Idunno.
2356:. Many promotions don't belong even on Knowledge, and the category should be cleaned up in my opinion. It seems like any fan of a smaller or lesser promotion just adds their favorite, and it either lasts or finally gets an AFD a while later. There is a wrestling wiki (if I remember right), many of the lesser promotions should be there, and not on this main wiki. Knowledge = encyclopedia of userful and meaningful content. It shouldn't be cluttered with many lesser promotions that hardly anyone has heard of. 31: 2527:
the best. Even if it's kept, what will result is usually a stronger article with good sources and better writing. (One note for you: I looked at your contributions to see which articles were de-prodded, and noted you don't use edit summaries all that often; if you're prodding something, it might be best to put a short comment in to indicate reasoning. It's also good to use edit summaries whenever possible, just 'cause.)
2553:... maybe you should concentrate on making these articles good quality before deleting other ppls work.. --- sorry but i just think notabillity is a point of view and that we should concentrate on making articles better rather than deleting them.... yet i can understand that not every promotion and wrestler needs an article and when we can we should avoid making each individual an article 119:. I believe I marked them, but I don't know if I did it correctly. Anyway, my opinion on them is... age lists are listcruft and really not needed here on Knowledge. It's just pointless trivia that isn't very important. If people want to make age pages, put it on a wrestling wiki, or your own created wrestling site, not here. What does everyone else think about the age lists pages? 2110:
and users continue to update after every single title defense. Does including every title defense in that section constitute "week by week" updates? I'd be interested to see some feedback on this, as the last thing I want to do is to start a huge Edit War on that page and I'm still not quite 100% certain as to my stance on the issue (though I do think it's gotten out of hand).
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think it'd be best if we'd make some concrete law for the Pro-Wrestling project that determine notability, such as promotions that trained employees in the big three(er... WWE etc.) and the champions of those promotions are automaticly notable. What's the worst that can happen, the servers have to store an extra 150 words of listcruf? I don't really think that
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Championship is part of the WWE Championship's 43 year lineage, then doesn't that mean that's how it should be in the articles? Wouldn't doing otherwise be putting in personal opinion instead of WWE canon? Since it's a championship that's the literal property of the WWE, doesn't the WWE sort of get the last word about it and it's lineage?
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don't think that asserts notability by default. And most of the acting credits that these contestants have are just bit parts in minor movies, not even close to notable. Also keep track that many pages have been deleted and protected, including two of the top 3 from this year's search. Quality, not quantity, is what WP and we need.
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if that alone should warrant an entire entry. And not to completely discount him, as I'm sure there are some people out there remember him from when he was active, but as far as I know he really didn't accomplish anything in his career that would warrant the existence of a Knowledge entry (as harsh as that sounds). Thoughts?
5090:) meaning if i was selfish and didnt uderstand wiki i could consider it my work and tell you, you have no right to remove it... do you not uderstand that after something is contributed on wiki it can no longer be claimed as a users work... the biography section stay and if you dont like it dont edit again --- 637:
needed has been brought up on the talk page. How would the project feel about trying something like this out on some of the harder hit wrestling pages? I don't know how we'd decide who would be patrolling which pages, but that's a bridge to cross when we get to it should we decide to go that route, I think. -
1810:] Why were these even made? It's listcruft and useless trivia that doesn't belong here. Ring of Honor is a popular indy fed, but either way.. a list of title defenses certainly doesn't belong here. I put prods on all three, and I'll wait and see what happens. But they should just be AFD'd and then removed. 5721:
Sorry, I should have said "in the USA and Canada". I hadn't even considered Mexico. You are completely correct that AAA and CMLL are highly notable, non-indy promotions. They trump ROH for notability not only because of their high drawing power, but also history and television deals. Nevertheless,
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Although working on an article does not entitle one to "own" the article, it is still important to respect the work of your fellow contributors. When making large scale removals of content, particularly content contributed by one editor, it is important to consider whether a desirable result could be
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True i saw that and his edits on CZW tag teams and wrestlers have been, for the most part, good efforts, and are JB hasnt been too much into the work of CZW... maybe its just me, i think everytime i see the initials JB i get worried... lol! actually i just checked are JB's second name is Barber false
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Give him wanrings, if he doesn't stop then get an admin. Tell him to read what it says when you edit a page: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." Especially since he probably just lifted thast info from somewhere else and didn't write
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personally i prefer it the other way... there was some talk in making the other info avaliable in (show) boxes... i think its the tag titles that cause most problems with the simple list... as Trips is only had one tag partner per tag title it come out ok but if you are talking a wrestler thats had a
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is a much better candidate for it. Rife with OR, and it was never specifically defined by anyone anyway. This is apparent by reading the article - A world title, a second-tier title, and a tag team title? Some sources please! WWE, on the other hand, have referred to their Grand Slam champions both on
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Um, ROH? Trent's wrestled there. That's a pretty notable promotion. I'm not very familiar with the US indy scene as I am from Canada, but even I've heard of Trent Acid. And if he's notable enough to be listed by Gerweck.net, then he's notable enough for here (Steve Gerweck only lists the top indy
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Well if the person isn't with WWE, TNA or a well known other fed: Ring of Honor, Japan, etc. It's hard to determine. As for Sam Hayne, it looks to be vanity for one thing, which shouldn't be allowed, period. There is a NWA Wisconsin page (which Sam Hayne works for, according to the article), but that
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article, someone reverted my edit in which I removed the claim that she is the world's oldest professional wrestler (which was presented as fact on the page, and is just a publicity claim on her part). Just to avoid any unpleasentness, are there any wrestlers who are alive that were born before 1923?
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ROH is a well known indy fed, but that certainly doesn't mean every show is important. I think AFD should be put on pages instead of prods for the most part. Regular editors of pages usually just remove prods pretty quick, then it ends up going to AFD anyway. Also I think several of the shows listed
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If you find yourself warring with other contributors over deletions, reversions and so on, why not take some time off from the editing process? Taking yourself out of the equation can cool things off considerably. Take a fresh look a week or two later. Or if someone else is claiming "ownership" of a
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Some contributors feel very possessive about material (be it categories, templates, articles, images or portals) they have donated to this project. Some go so far as to defend them against all intruders. It's one thing to take an interest in an article that you maintain on your watchlist. Maybe you
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User:JB196 (aka Jonathan Barber) wants his name added to the article because he wrote it on wiki... he doesnt understand that you contribute to wiki freely and that we dont credit arselfs within the article text and that are edits are just traked with the pages edit history... and for that reason he
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says "world heavyweight title." And I would be of the opinion that this is the correct name for the belt. As I said in the RM, I wouldn't support this move but I think the decision needs to be made conclusively, even if the result is one of "just leave it where it is" rather than explicitly favoring
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Quick question - I've seen it said before that the title's official designation is "ROH World Heavyweight Title," so I was going to oppose. However, I do not see the promotion refer to it as anything except the "ROH World Title," particularly on its website (ROHwrestling.com). Could someone please
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I commented on both. In the case of Blitz, I support a delete with the note that he hasn't attained enough notoriety yet to warrant an article...though he could sometime in the future, but that's not the case right now. In the case of the UWF, I remember hearing and reading an awful lot about them
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That's what I grappled with right before I nominated it. What I ultimately decided is that while he wasn't a guy who was just around for a few months and retired, his work was not that notable in that he never seemed to achieve even upper-midcard status. In other words, the conclusion I've reached
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I performed some minor clean-up on the article; it's on my Watchlist so I can keep an eye out. Personally, part of me wonders if we should nominate the article for deletion. His scenes stood out as they were some of the stranger (and subsequently more amusing) aspects of the film, but I don't know
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have been causing me alot of hasstle lately due to me stopping him using wikipedia as a secondary homepage for his local wrestling promotion, RQW. I have been changing his edits on the page to fit with formatting and the look of a wrestling article and well as the tense as his version read like news
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A few weeks ago, I asked if a mention and/or summary of every single defense of the ROH World Heavyweight Title was necessary on the entry's discussion page (unfortunately I had a brainfart and forgot to sign it). It seems that the suggestion has gone on deaf ears, as it didn't receive any response
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events are notable. I think even a casual fan or non-wrestling fan would agree that WrestleMania I was a notable event. It just remains for us to draw the line. For my part, I think any event that is well-known enough (or notorious enough) for a casual fan to want to know about is notable (after
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I think people have gotten derailed here, the original topic in question was non-notable ECW house shows with names. Now it's onto ROH shows with names. I agree most of the ROH shows should be deleted, however I am going against deleting one single one: Survival of the Fittest. SOTF falls under the
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You shouldn't have done that, Knowledge's rules state that PROD tags should not be put back if they are removed(for any reason). The thing to do now is to nominate the articles for deletion. Since I am about to go to sleep, maybe someone else can do it. These seem to be the articles that need to be
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Last time I checked, Knowledge wasn't about point of view, it was about things being notable and known. Improving articles is fine and well, BUT it doesn't make a huge difference if only a few people have heard of that wrestler. Knowledge isn't your personal website for all your favorites (that for
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If a proposed deletion tag is removed and you feel the reason given is incorrect, go ahead and run it through AfD. It takes a bit longer and is a bit annoying, but if you can show that its notability is not strong enough to be encyclopedic (like lacking in Google hits, etc.), then it's probably for
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I've put prods on several lesser promotions, and will continue to be against non-notable promotions and wrestlers. People really need to realize Knowledge can't list every wrestler and promotion ever. Dennis Stamp and many of the diva search contestants are prime examples of non-notable things that
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article was created. I think when it went up, links were added for every mentioned wrestler to see if they already had pages. I planned on going back and removing the majority of the redlinks, but never got to it. Bret is a multi time champion of many titles and has worked in Japan. He has also
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a major one.) I'm torn on whether to do a deletion process on this article (note that it was originally tagged with a speedy deletion tag, userfied by another person, and then restarted by the subject, who then removed a proposed deletion tag I hit it with), but wanted to look at just what level of
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Over five Diva Search contestant articles have been proposed for deletion over the past week. Personally, I oppose most of the deletions, but I'd like us to form a coherent policy on this. I think if we're going to delete the articles, we should merge contestant information into another page, be it
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Back in July we had a long discussion on page names and which pages should go where based on who owns the trademark etc. A part of that discussion was the revelation that Samoa Joe's fullname wasn't Joe Seanoa but Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, as per the trademark on his name. At the time Dubhagan e-mailed
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There seems to be a problem with wrestlers on shows like iMPACT! and SmackDown of people putting results before they air, especially when there's a title change involved. I was thinking we can start putting a warning like we do for week by week targets kinda like this: <!--This wrestler is on a
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are two examples. The Sabu show was used to raise funds for him, I don't see that being notable (as there has been many shows to help out wrestlers that need money for surgery or to pay bills or whatever: the shows simply aren't anything notable enough). As for Australia tours: it's a fancruft and
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Those 7 ECW events aren't notable, they are house shows with special names (none of the 7 are TV or PPV events). Just because an ECW event has a special name, doesn't make it notable enough. Look at all the WWE tours that have special names: not many (or any at all) are very notable. Special names
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notable). This would help us determine notability for promotions in places other than the USA, whose notability it might be hard for us to judge subjectively. Another criterion could be any promotion that contests an "authentic" World Championship (Singles or Tag). Then, for wrestlers, we could
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As I was looking through new pages, I noticed yet another ECW show was created. I went to the category: and many shows are listed. Many don't seem that notable. Is there any ECW experts here? From the looks of it, the same user is creating any ECW show that had a special name to it. A special name
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Sorry, I thought the edit histories and the talk page were self-explanatory. Me and the anon were in an edit war over whether JBL counted based on his comments on "a recent episode of Smackdown" (which whether it's good enough for inclusion or not is an absolute BS citation). I contended that that
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Well, the winner should have an article, and those who are regulars on WWE programming (not necessarily by just being signed) should have articles. I don't think being in the contest itself asserts notability. And being a playboy model is iffy, they have so many different magazines and websites, I
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Because of this message I just noticed that the projects view on succession was removed from to do. If you look at the top of the page you'll see the current way to display championship succession which I just re-added. Succession boxes are not used anymore and wherever possible the new version is
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because the FACT is (and you cannot deny this) is that I have not more than three times in a day reverted this article to a version that has already existed. Please STOP violating Knowledge's guidelines and accept the version of the article that has been UNIVERSALLY accepted. Nobody had contested
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Good call. Seeing as how they've been a tag team, are currently a tag team, and to the best of my knowledge (and any times I've seen them at least) always been a tag team. No reason for them to have single entries. And ditto for Rory and Robbie. It's one thing to make seperate entries for tag
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I had to go back to the February archives to see what you were talking about, but I'm still not quite sure what you're asking. Are you asking specifically about what qualifies someone as a Grand Slam Champion? If that's the case, I think a debate is pointless as it's anyone WWE would consider a
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has brought up that Lou Thesz did not invent the powerbomb by accident and has said it existed for years as well as being done on purpose by Lou Thesz when it first occurred. I am not well versed in this subject so can someone come to the talk page with better knowledge than I take a look at the
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Personally, I don't think ROH is "just an indy". It is an indy, but it is the premiere indy in North America, and it features some of the most talented (and notable) wrestlers in North America. I think of ROH as the third most well-known promotion in North America, after WWE and TNA. I feel the
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Warriors of Wrestling was the AWF tv show that was in 95+96. The page here at Knowledge is just a list of results: which is simply listcruft. I had a prod on it, but it was deleted by an editor because it's a TV show. But to put it simply...Knowledge isn't a place to list wrestling results. Also
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policy cleary backs up my self-revert contention, while you must prove why exactly I am "deliberately attempting to violate the integrity of Knowledge," which in and of itself is violating Knowledge policy because that is far from true. I am going to bring this issue to the Arbitration Committee
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I've been thinking about this too. I think the criteria for notability should be objective, if possible, to avoid the "lawn dart" situation. For promotions, there should be some sort of criterion for automatic notability, perhaps a television deal, or the ability to draw crowds of 5,000 people.
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is an extreme example. I didn't find lawn darts notable because the article I nominated was written poorly, but apparently they were a huge fad when I was about 3 years old... How was I supposed to know this? The same goes for any other article, including but not limited to Indy Wrestling. I
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in that they are all highly important independent wrestling tournaments. These are yearly events in indy wrestlers and they have a wide range of combatants and the winners move places in the indy world, and even to the majors. I'm going to bring up the same argument I brought up when we had the
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Well I've reached a snag in marking things. I put prods on several things, and an adminstrator removed them due to them being "verifible". I think it's just wrong: Knowledge shouldn't just list things because they are real and are known. It should be if they are popular and well known: not just
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page you'll see that it gets targeted incredibly heavy, especially after and leading up to pay per views, sometimes getting straight vandalized up to 20 times in a day. The idea of asking for aome kind of permanent lock on the page which would only allow for a few trusted people to edit it when
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I agree with TJ. If they simply did nothing after the diva search, they don't need an article. I'm strongly against a minor contestants page, it would be just useless trivia for one thing, and for another... it would encourage people to re-create minor diva search pages for some or all of the
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Um, I thought this page was only for the original ECW? Someone went and added WWE info for it, even though the current ECW wrestlers are actually under WWE contract, not ECW contracts. I think the current incarnation of ECW should be left out of it since it is not seperate from WWE like the
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I'd like to address something, it's not exactly the purpose of this particular discussion, but it does involve it to some degree. It involves listing the WWE Undisputed Championship and it's listing as a seperate title from the WWE Championship. If it's the WWE's position that the Undisputed
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You do not think it's notable enough that the WWE alters the original show. For example, removing the boos in the Goldberg-Lesnar match and putting in cheers. Also, editing the the Mickie James/Trish Stratus match to remove the crotch grab and the botched finished. Also, the removal of Jesse
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All three are AFD now. It's fancruft, listcruft...and simply just useless trivia. Title defenses aren't needed here. If I find any others, they will just tagged AFD right away. I tried just a prod to start, but of course people delete them... because they fail to realize it's just fancruft.
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If the person hasn't won too many titles, then it's OK to list them when and where they won and lost the titles and who they won/lost them from. If they have won too many though(like Jerry Lawler and his 26 USWA Titles) then just listing how many times they won should be sufficient.
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So are we going to throw this to a vote and try to compromise on it or something? It actually seems to be coming up more often recently. I like the idea of listing, but hiding, them but personally never saw the point of putting details like place. There's gotta be a happy medium. -
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I'm slightly confused - If I read any of the WWE or associated articles, they all basically start with a link to the professional wrestling page. That defines professional wrestling as a performing art. So why do all of the articles about WWE have places in the sports Category?
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have an article because it is super important, or because WWE is very notable? I think that because WWE is very notable, an event like Backlash will be of interest to more people. Likewise, an indy promotion that is only marginally notable is very unlikely to have any notable
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But his bio on TNA's website has him listed as "The Phenomanal" A.J. Styles. When he's announced by the ring announcer, he's billed as "The Phenomanal" A.J. Styles. I'd say, in those types of cases, the nickname stays, since it is obviously an integral part of the ring name.
3253:, the same user has been listing every ECW show with a special name as a non-PPV supercard. I think that's just wrong. Just because a show has a special name doesn't always mean it's considered a "supercard". While I'm no ECW expert, I think a bit of fancruft is going on here. 3193:
I did a google search on both, and didn't come up with much decent information. An editor of Phil Blitz improved the article, but that certainly doesn't make the wrestler more notable. We really need to go through wrestlers and promotions more and AFD the non-notable ones more.
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before deciding anything. There's a huge ongoing discussion on if spoiler warnings should even be on Knowledge, and it is my understanding that right now only fictional events should have a warning, not real life things such as sporting events (even if taped prior to airing)
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grant automatic notability to any wrestler (or other personality) that was a regular member of a notable promotion's roster. Another criterion, suggested above, would be any wrestler that has possessed an "authentic" World Championship. That way, even if I've never heard of
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does not class it as a sport. That's why I find it odd that we have all the WWE pages linking to a page that *specific* states that it's not a sport yet we are using the sport categories. I think I'm going to draw up a policy proposal or something similar on the matter.
4244:" - new text after I added other graduates and was told by an ex-student it was missing a class of students. I used the edit summary "this isn't complete, a quick googling shows it lacking wrestlers and an ex-student has informed me it's missing an entire class" 3850:
This is an encyclopedia. Detailed information on fictional title wins is not encyclopedic, and in the case of a prolific wrestler like Triple H, only succeeds in bloating the article. If a reader wants that kind of information, they can either visit a site like
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page, it mentions about the trademark lawsuit he had about his fast food chain. I'm pretty sure that it was decided, and it was posted somewhere, so that should be updated by someone who's good at transcribing legal news. I think he lost, and he is appealing.
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So long as the articles are fleshed out enough to be encyclopedic. Reference the WWE and WCW pay-per-view articles to get a feel for the level of detail needed in a single-event article. Perhaps they should be pared down to the ones with significant events
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Well, I'm sure Trent Acid is more notable than many other wrestlers listed here. Anyway, that aside, I propose that we try and establish a set of rules that would deem a wrestler notable enough for Knowledge. That way we can save this type of frustration.
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Whether or not he wants his real name known isn't a reason to add it or not. If it's an encylcopedia and it can be sourced it should go in there. I can think of at least two other articles that have gone through the same thing and came to the same conclusion
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I absoultely should have done that, as the tags were removed without a reason given, pretty much, if you give a reason that is valid in an edit summary or the talk page, then it can be removed, not just without specifing something, so I did nothing wrong.
5256:'s crucifixtion angle, etc.). For example, if Born to be Wired was the first time a world title was contested in a barbed-wire match (and I don't know if a world title was even contested at the show at all), then you have a context for significance. -- 134:
Someone really needs to change the Attitude Era from WrestleMania X-Seven to WrestleMania X8. WrestleMania X8 was the last PPV to advertise the Attitude Era not X7. The logos were still around after X7, why is X7 listed as the end of the Attitude Era?
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Unless someone gets there before me, I'll be taking it to AfD after work, as the PROD tag has been removed again, without comment. As the above comment suggests, if wrestlers haven't broken the "big leagues" as it were, the notability is suspect.
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Ooh while were here i was just thinking if we find promotions that dont need to be deleted but are in bad shape (you know the whole list of roster, list of shows, list of titles.. etc) do you think we could get them rewritten to the standard of
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I would rather see the information hidden rather than removed completally... cus it was removed you wouldnt be saving any space as not before long someone will re-add championship sucession boxes and we fought long and hard to remove those ---
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There are also several other avantages with the format, it allows to place belts in chronological order, differenchiate between titles that have changed name (WWF to WWE), and like i have already noted then we wouldnt have succession boxes ---
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I think he may be a sockpuppter, he may not be, but from some recent edits a few random IP's have been making I think it's possible. He is an admitted vandal (talk page) and used to liken himself to will on wheels. Here is one poss sockpuppet.
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Actually, we both did, I was still cleaning it up when you finishes. Not that it matters. I don't think WCW would be a problem because there were only a few Alliance members who didn't compete in the original WCW(like Test and Kurt Angle).
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I know you created the article and put it up for prod to make a point, but don't think everyone is against you. I know my reply seems like I thought you didn't know what the SOTF is but it's to show some of us do care about the indies. ā€“ā€“
5001:. You contribute to Knowledge, you're basically releasing your work to public domain. I have created and expanded several articles myself, yet I know it's pointless to take credit for it as anyone could have found that info elsewhere. 5518: 5675:
events (marking similar milestones) from other indies be notable? My gut reaction would be "No, of course not, why would you ask such a dumb question?" but then why is that not the case of ROH if it is "just an indy"Ā ? If, for example,
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It looks like I'm gonna have problems with this user on the TNA roster page. He wants to delete all nicknames from that page and threatens to keep deleting when we revert back. I left him a message, but I just want to warn everyone.
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Can you post links to some so we can see? I would imagine most could be deleted, people tend to create a lot of fluff articles(like the list of every ROH title defense). ROH is a indy fed, so most of their events would not be notable.
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notability you folks consider for guys who haven't made the big shows yet. Is this guy of a level where he should be included? If I'm asking the question, as a casual wrestling fan, others will certainly be asking it as well. Thanks.
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That's just it, "any reason", there was no reason given to why the tags were removed, so they were not removed properly. They did not put anything in an edit summary, they did not put anything on a talk page, or here, I was right.
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I put AFD on the world heavyweight defenses (since the prod was deleted). Even if they are copyright issues, it's still useless trivia that doesn't belong here. I'm surprised the articles lasted so long, without getting deleted.
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in all I've read about him is that to say he "never made it to the main event" would be putting it very lightly. If he wasn't even all that notable on a regional level, he certainly isn't notable enough to warrant an article.
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Can someone make the to-do list smaller? It's too big. I tried to clean it up, but the stuff I deleted was added back to it. Some of the long-term, on-going stuff can be put in the Strategy subpage or placed in the style guide.
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Does anyone know why this article needs to exist? Triple teams are a rarity in wrestling, excluding if we're talking about Dragon Gate and Lucha Libre, and then the team pages can easily cover the signature three man moves. ---
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debut should be added to the page. We argued (and reverted) to the point that we both got hit with 3RR warnings. I don't think it's worth dragging a Wiki Admin into it, but a few folk from here can weigh in on the talk page. -
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The user believes that it is just me that opposes his vandalism. He fails to realize that this issue concerns him and all of Knowledge. See below. I will personally give 1 million dollars to whomever can get through to him. --
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to say that - with all due respect, you are like talking to a brick wall. You echo back everything someone else says without any substantiation. That's not the way Knowledge works. At the very least, you are in violation of
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guideline. Another guideline I think needs to be put in place: lists of television show results = listcruft and not needed. Knowledge isn't the place for listing each and every television result of TNA, WWE, WCW, indy, etc.
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certainly isn't enough to make him notable in my opinion. NWA W isn't that notable for Knowledge, but others will disagree with me on that one. I took a look at wrestling promotions: and there is 161 total in that category:
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I think you're reading it wrong, which isn't unusual because the Ventura thing has been confusing to a lot of people. Ventura's commentary is removed from a lot of older VHS/DVDs, but it is all there for the recent box set.
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They were made because the defenses were previously part of the articles on the titles themselves and made the tables ridiculously long. I did NOT copy-and-paste anything from their site, and frankly resent the implication.
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I cleaned up the page, hopefully it doesn't happen again. I wonder if the WCW alumni page is the same? I looked it at a little, and didn't notice any WWE stars (during the Invasion storyline) that shouldn't be on the list.
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I've given up on trying to obtain credit. That's beyond the issue now...we're past that man. bullet has gone ona campaign (literally) to try to ruin my reputation here on Knowledge and that's something that I will not let
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I agree. Obviously most (not all) people from WWF/E, TNA, WCW, ECW and AWA should be included. I said most, because jobbers that appeared for a few matches (and didn't do anything else in their career) aren't notable.
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article, as if they are in the top 500, they are surely worthy of an article. I challenge you to name another fairly mainstream sport where any of the top 500 athletes in that sport have no article. It's ridiculous!
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I know the real Sam Hayne personally and I highly doubt that he put the article online. While I agree that the article is hardly notable, it's probably my fault. It's been a wanted page since the creation of the
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I'm going to create a section in recent WrestleMania Articles about the changes on the DVD. Does anyone know of a website that outlines the differences? I had a couple of links but lost them in a hard drive crash.
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wasn't good enough to include him, the anon kept putting him back in. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but in the past when other belts were used as subs for the Grand Slam they were accompanied by citations from WWE.com
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That's about what I thought, too. Maybe I'll make a note of cruising through that category at some point soon and see if I can weed it out a bit. Thanks for the second look at the article, too - much appreciated.
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all, that's what an encyclopaedia is for, right?). Also, any well-known annual events and tournaments deserve their own article, though it may be debatable whether each yearly instance deserves its own article.
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AAA and CMLL regularly draw around 10,000 for regular tapings and 18,000 for big shows with TV on national broadcast television with various internataional and cable deals. I think they trump Ring of Honor.
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Because those individual events are not importent. I thought you understood that, the importence of the organization is not directly related to an event. A notable wrestling fed can have non-notable events.
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If you think stuff could be put to a subpage then talk about it. Don't just randomly delete stuff. Now the style guide stuff is important for new articles too, so they could go to the project page itself.
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Maybe, but if he is he's going about it the wrong way. Besides, the WWE page includes certain nicknames too, and the TNA page doesn't include all nicknames, just ones that are part of the ring name. --
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I'm not sure if he qualifies as an article under the internet meme guidelines, but didn't he have somewhat of a mid-card career in the florida territories in the 70s? But I did give a weak delete vote.
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Not only do we have alumni pages, but we also have alumni categories. I was thinking, do we really need both? If we can list the wrestlers in an alumni category, are the alumni pages really necessary?
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on my user page which he useds as a talk page (because he doesnt seem to get that they are different things... you understand what im up against here) --- any help or advice would be appriciated ---
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show that tapes before it airs. Although the results are made available in a myriad of locations, please do not add them here until the show airs either in the article or in "invisible text".--: -->
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I don't think it's notable enough that it needs a full on section in every article, but where the changes are major (like the ones you just mentioned) they could be mentioned in the notes sections.
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We already put those warnings on PPV shows and on the WWE page(saying not to post title changes before they air) and they don't seem to do much. Some people even go ahead and remove the warnings.
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really are an expert or you just care about the topic a lot. But when this watchfulness crosses a certain line, then you're overdoing it. Believing that an article has an owner of this sort is a
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What's the project's position on Championship Succession boxes? I'd be happy to add them to a whole bunch of people's pages (and have been adding them to new stub articles I've been creating, eg.
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Again, why does it matter when those things happened if individual events aren't important enough for articles? Oh, and if I understood, do you think I'd still be asking all these questions?Ā ;)
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As a result of a discussion on notability above, I propose we, as a WikiProject, set some guidelines as to what makes a wrestler or promotion notable enough to be included here on Knowledge. --
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I completally agree with the removing of list cruft stuff note the promotions idea... yea the Shane Twins is one example... i wouldnt think of making individual articles for Bulk and Big Dave (
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All I can see is that the bullet version is way more complete and better than your version. Can you give a good reason why your version of Vic Grimes is better than bullet's? If not, drop it.
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Firstly, thanks for contacting us! Secondly, I re-wrote some of the section and included a link at the bottom of the entry for his profile on onlineworldofwrestling.com. Hope that helps!
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I forgot about it until recently and after conversing with Dubhagan I found out he had never received a response from Joe and assumed it was because Joe doesn't want this information known.
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I know Mae Young and the Fabulous Moolah were also born in the same year, but anyone before that is still alive? Check the talk page of the Gladys Gillem article for more details. Thanks.
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It just being an indy fed doesn't have anything to do with it. It's like how ECWA is just an indy fed but the Super 8 tournament they host is the biggest(and most well known) indy event.
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teams that broke up and split into their own singles careers, but that hasn't happened and if it does most likely won't result in either being notable enough on their own to warrant it.
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I don't think nicknames should only be included on certain wrestlers, like "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan. I don't think A.J. Styles should be listed as "The Phenomanal" A.J. Styles, for example.
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I think it should depend on what happened after they were eliminated. If they never appeared on WWE TV again of got WWE contracts, then maybe no. Otherwise I think they should be kept.
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You think it'll be a good idea to be able to hide and show the Won from and Lost to lines? Msybe something like this? It looks a bit messy now but maybe if someone fixes up the code?
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I've actually gone a step further and nominated the page for deletion. This isn't a "quick fix" to the edit war at all; rather, it's due to my personal view that regardless of the
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There are results pages for TNA Impact!. Type in "TNA Results" in the search bar and you will see there is one for EVERY MONTH. A seperate article for March 2006, April 2006, etc.
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I checked them: all prods (from the looks of it) seem to be gone, all thanks to some user that isn't registered. If there is a way to do a mass AFD, that would be helpful here.
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The problem is that it means having to get rid of having the reigns in chronological order and quite a hefty bit of HTML (though I think templates could solve the latter). --
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ROH is just an indy fed, but it's a big one. I didn't PROD ones that seemed to be importent(like the first ROH event and the one where the first ROH champion was crowned).
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talk page and discuss your actions with them. Hopefully then you will see that this is NOT my word against yours here, this is Wikipeida policy that is being enforced. --
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Era of Honor Begins was the first ROH event, I suppose that's notable. Crowning a Champion marked the first ROH champion. I suppose Honor Invades Boston could go though.
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never wrestled for those promotions does that mean he should be deleted... in the England, Ireland and other English language contries that simply would not apply. ---
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article, are in serious need of clean up but it concerns an independant wrestler that has appeared in promotions that either have no television deal or has one in the
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including myself have pointed you towards the policies time and time again your numerous violations here on wikipedia. I suggest that you take this issue with the
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I agree with Chadbryant, and I like the way that the Triple H page looks now, and it should be kept simple like this, there are other places to get the info.
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I already established that... anyway if you remeber i tried assuming good faith with you but then you resulted in your recent edits and subsequent blocking -
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A user (also a member of this project) keeps replacing the detailed information of the championship wins with just the amount of times each title was won on
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was up for deletion a while ago. It seems rather redundant, although the lists do include some extra info about the person's role in the promotion. --
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I made some incorrect reverts to this article, trying to maintain the stats at what they have been for a long time. I didn't notice the name change.(
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The article states its on the fight network of Canada and TWC in England.... its only showing in America is through DVD releases and live shows ---
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I think wrestlers who only competed for the ECW version should be removed, it would be like having a page for alumni of Raw or alumni of SmackDown.
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I put PROD tags on some(and someone else put it on others), hopefully they won't remove the tags. If they do then just nominate them for deletion.
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Started, though it needs a major expanding (I don't even have info for a profile). I've asked for help from the OVW community on LiveJournal. --
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Why not all of them? How can some be notable and some not if "ROH is just an indy fed"Ā ? Is there nothing about that company that we CAN keep?
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Bullet, what is your position, exactly? Please link to specific Knowledge policies. My position is that I am "self-reverting" (allowed under
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I hate to bring this up again so soon, but no one seemed to notice. I'm just asking for a consensus from WP:PW, and if I'm wrong, fine.
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That's messed, considering JB most likely got that info from somewhere else, meaning those sources should be given credit, not him. --
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03:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC) I went ahead and put prods on the other show articles and I'm tempted to be a real dick and put one on
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You making a crack about my reading abilityĀ :-) lol. All I'm want to do is similar to what IMDB has on their page, Alternate Version.
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Is it vandalized by anonymous users alot? If that's the case, use a semi-protect lock on it. Otherwise, get a perma-lock I suppose.
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article. He claims he will not stop reverting unless he is credited in the article as "The Author". We need an admin here now. --
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when I was a kid in the mid to late nineties. Maybe we could put out an open call for expansion of the article before deleting?
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You may want to consider semi-protection for this article. The anon WrestleCrappers has struck again! They are also targeting the
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Rob i know your all for removing articles for wrestlers you feel have low notability... so why have you not but your article for
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Not so recently, I've came across one for TNA (for the X title, and the article is thankfully now gone). Here is several others:
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JB has changed his modus operandi and is now spamming tags through articles he himself has written. Examples can be found at
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because you have not shown any willingness to work out this issue beyond quoting a vague page and continually violating the
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Could someone do the mass AFD for me? I don't have alot of free time, and the sooner they go up, the sooner they are gone.
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A list and category is redundant. I think the categories for alumni should be deleted. The list pages are far more useful.
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Yeah, that what I meant. I was typing that at 2AM. Wrestlers who only competed for the WWE version should not be included.
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I imagine he will be fired then, there are other people who could do that. He was never that good of an announcer anyways.
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He does a little news bit during Canadian airings of WWE programs advertising upcoming houseshows in Canada and such. --
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I don't think he has been on TV. I haven't read he was fired...so he has some backstage role in WWE I would assume.
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Nevermind, somehow missed the thread above. I still think, though, that the whole debate might be somewhat moot.
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I'd just presume he's a sitting duck without any work to do at the moment. He certainly hasn't been fired though.
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So, can we delete Ring of Honor and Chikara show pages too since they were not televised or broadcast on PPV?--
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assume good faith in the future. I have never nor will I ever need to use a sockpuppet to get something done.
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The user needs a block if he keeps it up. The constant reverting is vandalism and simply not needed at all.
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I do not understand how they are not notable. Heck, there is an article that outlines changes in Star Wars
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Okay, so what's the litmus test? If a show is x, you'll allow it to stay, but if it's y, it must gooo?
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His page is badly in need of an update and/or revision! Take a look and you will see what I mean! --
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I restored the tags for the articles in question, as they were removed for no reason whatsoever.
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The page needs major editing, since the ECW brand of WWE seems to be a big part of the article.
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If it's the same people, then they need to be reported. That should help to a point at least.
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Randomly? There was nothing random about it. Most of that stuff I deleted was already on the
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I'm a little busy at the moment, but this page explains how to nominate multiple articles:
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Here is a copy of the conversation on the Vic Grimes talk page between myself and bullet:
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listcruft of many Australia wrestling events: WCW, WWF/E, etc. Non-notable house shows.
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Okay. Thanks. Are the championships to be ordered by promotion and then date won (eg.
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Nah, Nah, Nah-Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah-Nah, Hey-ey-ey goodbye! ---- (sorry i couldnt resist)
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You guys should call for a temporary lock against the anon contribs. for this article.
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for more info on the "Assume good faith" policy which you are clearly in violation of.
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Somebody should create the article, all I know about him is that he wrestled in OVW.
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aspect, I really don't think he's notable enough to justify an entry to begin with.
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I think it's too confusing with so many lines. Well I'm glad this was brought up. --
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Sir, its your word against mine. You have no more right to "Revert" than I do. The
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Apparently "full" doesn't mean "all" and i'm an idiot. Yeah that makes sense. ---
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page. All these results are listcruft/fancruft and don't need to be here, period.
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Maybe I got a little carried away, but I don't see what the point is of deleting
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I would rather see the detailed information hidden, or put on another page, like
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deserving of having their details listed than someone who has not won very much.
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Indeed he's hosting, or at least introing, "The Big Ones" on 24/7 on Comcast. -
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Hey, folks. I'm just doing some page patrolling, and came across an article on
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I've proposed it for deletion for now unless some other editor removes it. --
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With this format we probably need to wikify every person or team listed. ---
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as all those articles under that heading are listed there, as are others. --
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I think we should try and create at least stubs for all the wrestlers on the
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I've nominated all the monthly results, the link is at the top of the page.
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is as big of an issue as people make it out to be, that's just my 2cents. -
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I deleted the info and redirected it to JTG, which is still a red link. --
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when their first title match was, their first event out of Philly, etc...
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A section has already been provided in the main WrestleMania article. See
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of the ROH articles. If the company is to be dismissed as "just an indy"
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want to revert the page back to its stub state prior to his edits. ---
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Oh man, that needs to be deleted just so we can all forget about it. -
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I do not know what you intend to prove with this since users form the
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Yeah, good idea, it looks like Bdve tagged the article's talk page. --
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Just read the edit history and the talk page. Tells the whole story.
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How can you have it both ways? Either ROH is important or it's not.
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Well, I'm sure that the Articles to Expand section can be linked to
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article as well. I've already tagged them with the 3RR Warning.
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deliberately attempt to compromise the integrity of Knowledge.
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3bulletproof16's failure to Assume Good Faith, Vic Grimes, etc.
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in this line up... Not only does this article, which like your
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subpage. At any rate, that's why we're discussing it now.Ā ;) --
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If only we could hide/show the Defeated to and Lost to lines.--
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I need some help with him right now. He's still active in the
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I don't think those are notable enough to go in the articles.
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I'd say report him then if he's doing more harm than good. --
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but it seems that enough time has passed that he's decided to
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I think you misunderstood - why did you NOT prod those ones?
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Cool, thanks. Don't know how I didn't see that or find it.
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believe I have to bring this up anywhere but the talk page.
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started this article, but all he did was copy and paste the
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Not just yet, guess who has started using AOL sock puppets?
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How about Chadbryant's idea of it being not encyclopedic? --
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He might just be trying to make it like the WWE Roster Page
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Category:Total Nonstop Action Wrestling television programs
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I have no connection to this Jonathan Burgess dude. Please
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which a few weeks back lead to this amusing confrontation:
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In my opinion, these really aren't needed. Take a look at
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List of championships and accomplishments won by Ric Flair
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It already exists? Professional wrestling is within it
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I'd direct him to this WikiProject and its policies. --
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ECW version? Don't you mean the WWE version of ECW? --
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There's a ton of unnecessary results articles. I mean,
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talent. Heck, we have a lot more wrestlers on here).
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I've had a little play around and I came up with this:
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I'm not sure how to format it, but I've requested that
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category? surely that is the one that should be used?
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was born in 1921 and is still alive. Hope that helps.--
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Discuss this with other more experienced editors here
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to see if I transferred the info correctly. Thanks!
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I'll check it out a little later. 4699:or redistributed by others, do not submit it. 4385:Here's a new one, JB has spammed tags through 1169:RAM has done this with other articles as well. 438:Please clarify for me - sport or performing art 4516:, edit warring, trolling and insulting admins 3819:http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:67.185.26.89 117:List of ECW World Heavyweight Champions by age 3218:Category:Extreme Championship Wrestling shows 978:List of Extreme Championship Wrestling alumni 736:Report it. There is no need for an edit war. 4902:. 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05:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
List of championships and accomplishments won by Ric Flair
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08:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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08:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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