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template for
Infobox NFL player to better accommodate coaching history, the design of that template should be the sole responsibility of this project, and not an editor who has very little or no understanding of American football. Nor should this redesign/modification take place under the forced circumstances of a TfD decision by four editors who simply thought that a combined infobox was a "good idea." It remains to be seen whether the head coach parameters and player parameters can be combined in a visually cohesive manner in a single template; this is not a simple matter of taking four parameters from the deprecated coaches' infobox, adding them to the players' infobox, and then calling it a day. It probably can be done, but it does not need to be done in a hurry-up, slap-dash manner to satisfy the TfD decision of four editors who have never worked on the templates and have little or no understanding of their history. But let's keep in mind, there's a reason why we have separate coach and player infoboxes now: a single solution for coach and player circumstances may not be the ideal solution for either of them. User:Eagles247 should be consulted for his wealth of practical experience and understanding.
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page. I am not opposed to such a merge in principle, and I assume other editors are willing to consider it, but WP:NFL editors have spent a great deal of time perfecting the present configuration of
Infobox NFL player. The template for Infobox NFL player should not be altered without prior consultation with WP:NFL and the template's creator and principal contributors. As a longtime editor, you already know this and should recognize that the failure to provide TfD notice on the second infobox's template page is a fatal TfD process error. I urge you to voluntarily request that the closing admin reopen the TfD and that you not proceed with any attempted merge or other alteration of Infobox NFL player until you gain the consensus of WP:NFL editors regarding any changes you propose to make. Otherwise, I will open a deletion review complaint with all of that unnecessary drama. In any event, any changes made to Infobox NFL player are subject to editor consensus and further subject to the WP:BRD process. I urge you not to attempt any changes until you have the blessing of the project.
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for, retired, or free agent). I don't see any reason why you would put the last team a player has played for in the lead sentence. A history of what teams a player has played for should be mentioned in the rest of the intro. The main reasoning being the last team the player played for may be the least notable part of his career. If you're going on notability, then you either should mention the team he's played most of his career with or whichever team he's best known, or list every team he's ever played for. But of course that would be unnecessary, considering you have the rest of the intro that can be several paragraphs long if necessary. And you can't understand why a player's current status as a free agent isn't notable? What? Free agency is arguably the biggest offseason NFL event outside of the NFL draft. The current status of the player as an active player who is seeking a contract from an NFL team or any other league is at the moment, the most notable piece of information on them. Once retired, then their past history of their career should take precedence.
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failure to place a TfD notice on the template page for the template page of the merge target, Infobox NFL player, and then notify its creator and significant contributors, as required by the TfD guidelines. A TfD merge requires two or more templates, and notice must be provided on the template pages of each of the templates that have been proposed for deletion or merge, as well notifying the template creator and major contributors of each. Beyond that, it is presumptuous in the extreme that four editors at TfD would decide to alter a project-specific infobox template used on over 10,000 articles within that project, and then leave the implementation of that "merge" and changes to the surviving template to a single editor without consulting the editors of this project. Too many project editors have spent too much time working on
Infobox NFL player for that work to be undone on a barely discussed whim. The infobox has an evolutionary history and logic that were not even remotely discussed or considered during the TfD.
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are managed by NFL.com, the player data is usually consistent. Pro-Football-Reference.com's source for basic player data is NFL.com and data provided by the NFL. College player profiles are notoriously inaccurate (they often overstate height by 1 to 3 inches for players under 6 feet tall), and the college recruiting sites often just get data wrong. Personally, I find a lot of the pre-draft data to be suspect, too, and I wish we could just dump it as useless trivia that is typically unsourced in the
Knowledge player bios. In the absence of some pretty unusual circumstances, NFL.com trumps these other sources, as pro teams and the league generally do not fudge their numbers and have every reason to be accurate. Obviously weight fluctuates, and if the infobox number is within 5 pounds of the current NFL.com number, I usually just ignore it. In the event of a discrepancy regarding height, I always use the NFL.com number in the infobox.
11728:" notation to indicate just that. To an unfamiliar reader, they would see the asterisk next to a particular team and then notice the notation that follows indicating that they were only a non active preseason/offseason/practice squad member only. I remember seeing that my first time and figuring that out pretty quickly and I would imagine most readers would figure that out fairly quickly. My opinion is that it makes no sense not to include a complete team history. If a player OFFICIALLY signs a contract with a team, he has officially been a member of that team and should be included in the team history whether he was ever active or not for that team. I mean it just seems like were going in circles here and were going to have to agree to disagree. I would hope others would chime in, but it seems this talk page isn't very active
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significant QBs are bolded makes sense on a basic level. I think you're right that "primary" isn't the right word, because that's POV and maybe OR. I think we'd simply need to spell out what the criteria are that qualify a QB for bolding. And I think to avoid confusion and miscategorization, it's best to keep it simple even if that means there are a couple (or even a few) cases where a not-very-important QB gets bolded. It's easy to get info on how many starts a QB got, for example. That's right up front on PFR and other sources of stats. It would not be hard to check a standard like "started more than half the team's games for two (three?) consecutive years". If we start introducing qualifications like injuries and other stuff, it becomes increasingly difficult to sort out -- and it might even be contentious.--
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is currently a free agent in the
National Football League." As I read it, it looks superfluous. I've seen different variations of it that omit "currently" and "National Football League". There is also Example: "Adrian Lemar Wilson (born October 12, 1979) is an American football strong safety who last played for the Arizona Cardinals of the National Football League (NFL)." I like this one, but I think the free agent status should be included. What is the standard way to write the lead sentence for free agents? I've also been deleting the uniform number which then only shows "Free Agent" at the top of the infobox. I think it just looks better aesthetically to leave out the number, with the exception of when a player recently signs with a team and has not been given a number yet.
6848:"South Bend Kennedy High School." The reasons for its origins were to clarify similar or even identical high school names within the same state or region. My concern is that we don't need two lines of text (e.g., John F. Kennedy High School, South Bend, Indiana) in a space-limited infobox to delineate a professional athlete's high school and that high school's location. As alternatives, we could use the common short form of the high school's name (e.g., "John F. Kennedy High School" becomes "Kennedy") and omit the city altogether, or we could simply omit the high school from the infobox altogether as one of the least important pieces of information competing for space. Maybe including the high school in the "early years" text is enough. What do you think, Bagumba?
10732:. It might be good to relocate discussion to that talk, but I think the format idea you have is pretty solid; define the position first, then list the history. The history section would probably be the longest, be we could have a different section on 'quarterback trends', like the trend of the mobile quarterback and two-quarterback systems. We'll also need to include information on the role of the position in Canadian football and its evolution there, because the article covers the position in both the American and Canadian games. I myself don't really have much knowledge of the Canadian quarterback evolution, but I'm sure the people at the
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any of them really notable if you think about it? So is there in actual page where someone else listed all of this? I know there is now. The whole reason people get into the NFL is to win a Super Bowl, so it is nice to see what current coaches have that "fulfillment", also many of which were contributing factors in them getting the job in the first place. And I can't tell you how many pages I have been on that have nav boxes at the bottom where the article it is on isn't listed in it, but are put on there because they are very relateable to the content in the nav box. If you give me 15 minutes I can find you a hefty list.
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the best way to do this admittedly tedious task, that would probably be too complex, though if someone wanted to try to figure out how, more power to them. Anyway, I thought maybe each week, some volunteers could do the boxes for a few teams, which would actually be double season pages, as you can simply copy over the information from one team's box to its opponent, with a few minor changes. These articles can really be useful for readers, but often they do not get updated in a timely fashion, if at all. If there is interest in this, let me know, and I can setup a "signup page" of sorts. Thanks!
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User:Eagles247 spearheaded the time-consuming effort to upgrade the current
Infobox NFL player, and supervised the robotic replacement of the previously deprecated/merged infoboxes. Infobox gridiron football person, however, does not fall under the jurisdiction of WP:NFL, and remains the principal infobox used by WP:Canadian Football for CFL players and coaches. The remaining instances of Infobox gridiron football person in American football player bios cannot be replaced robotically, and must be replaced manually. I know because I've personally replaced over 100 of them.
12370:, you're going to find a slew of substantive, reliable sources talking about the national anthem performers year and year out and often in the context of multi-year history of the subject. So I think that one is solid. As for the navboxes, there's a tendency among many editors to slap every tangentially related navbox on an article, particularly in the area of sports where are oodles of navboxes around. Many of us have spent quite a lot of time cleaning this up. I'd be curious to see some examples from that "hefty list" you mentioned above.
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won, but this is specifically about the 32 head coaches. And like I said before, it is nice to see what head coaches have that fulfillment, what head coaches have already gotten that ultimate achievement in their profession that could retire tomorrow and could say they were a part of one. The "losing table" was an afterthought that I made just in case it was deemed relevant. Maybe I was being a little overzealous trying to link the page, I removed the head coach nav box and other categories, but I see no point in deleting the page altogether.
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reopening the TfD would be productive from a practical standpoint. I think it'd be best and most useful to simply talk about if a merger of any kind is warranted into the
Infobox NFL Player template, which is already well-developed, arguably well beyond Infobox NFL coach. Does anyone want to volunteer which specific parts of the coach infobox might be merged to the player template? It may be best to talk about this here and leave a note at the template page, since the Infobox NFL player template talk page doesn't seem to get much traffic. --
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using a search with AP in it to support your stance lol? my, completely unbiased search, brings up no support for the suggestion that AP is one of his nicknames, only people dismissing it. Funny huh? Peterson himself says people who call him AP have his nickname confused, searches for what his nickname are offer basically no acknowledgement that AP is one of his nicknames beyond people dismissing it, but we have people who respond with biased searches and "but but but BUT PEOPLE CALL HIM IT!!!1".
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respect the players actual nickname and have people be given the correct information. I provided quotes from him to support my stance, all you have done is stomp around. Clearly you were amongst the "confused" crowd. I remember when his Wiki page did not have AP listed on it, unfortunately someone who has it "twisted" came along and changed that. Now it has been changed back to being correct again. You can see it was only a few months ago that someone even decided to add it on to the page.
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designed with a different set of parameters in mind than those typically needed for NFL coaches, including serving as the coach for more than one sport (a common occurrence in the first half of the 20th
Century), and administrative work history as an athletic director or in similar capacity. User:Jweiss11 is the principal contributor to the infobox in its present configuration, and he can describe its history, peculiarities, parameters and uses far better than I can.
3154:. You're looking for information about his nickname, so you're going to get things from the small fringe that like to pretend only one nickname is correct. A google result for (Adrian Peterson fantasy "AP") every single result that is not the Associate Press uses 'AP' nicknamedly towards Peterson. I don't care what nickname is "right", or who's being "lazy". What matters is what people call him, and people call him AP. And I'm not saying that people don't
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order to what otherwise appear as a jumble of numbers in the navbox. The argument for sorting alphabetically, on the other hand, is that it makes it easier for readers to locate specific players by name in the navbox; it also would allow us to be consistent with navboxes where we don't have players' jersey numbers, for whatever reason. Anybody have views on this? I think it's fine either way, the important point being that the style is
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non-essential, perhaps including the high school field. It certainly should not take up two lines of text. Over time, we have also included every imaginable award, honor or accomplishment in the section labeled "highlights," even to the point where some editors are listing high school and college freshman honors, as well as award "finalists." At some point, it's complete overkill, and the meaningful data points get lost in the weeds.
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numbers, I think a gentler approach is merited. Let's also consider the possibility that he's not all that familiar with
Knowledge and isn't looking at his talk page. The best course may be a very temporary block that would force him to go there and discuss the issue. I think we should be careful not to sound hostile, as it's quite possible that he just hasn't seen the talk page and would change course immediately if he did. --
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lead sections into chronological order; thus, we place the "He is currently a free agent" statement at the end of the one-paragraph lead as the last significant event in the player's career. For longer lead sections consisting of multiple paragraphs, the "free agent" statement is usually associated with the paragraph that discusses the player's NFL career, or is otherwise best placed at the very end of the entire lead section.
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what they do there; we don't need another proper name for that, just because the NFL likes to capitalize concepts important to themselves. The articles are mostly not about the meetings, beyond their lead sentences; they're about the drafts that happen there, the players, the teams, the order, etc. Other publishers use lowercase, so there's no reason we can't just go by own MOS and do the same, is there?
7050:. Unfortunately that link is to a failed proposal, and there is no consensus currently for school article naming conventions (as far as I know.) As mentioned above, for some school article names, it makes sense to write "." For others, ", () " is more appropriate. It appears to be discretionary on a case by case basis, and I think the same rules should apply to how the names are displayed in the infobox.
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10862:. IP's keep trying to change his position in the infobox to Offensive Weapon. This is the term that the team website uses to identify him, but it is obviously not suited for a Knowledge infobox. It's too vague, many readers will not understand what it means, plus it is not used by NFL.com, ESPN, or Pro Football Reference. It should be changed back to running back/wide receiver/return specialist.
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to most, if not all, of the existing coach articles will be required, and probably most if not all of the player articles, too, if we are going to fundamentally change the design of
Infobox NFL player. None of this should be undertaken lightly, and no one should be under any misimpression that this work can be delegated to other editors or completed by somebody's bot. What you propose is
618:: What do people think about an objective criteria like: the bolded QBs started in at least half of one team's games for at least three successive seasons? (You'd of course list that constraint at the bottom of the box.) Or is something like this too complex? Do we even agree that readers will find the box more useful if the "primary" (however that's defined) quarterbacks are highlighted?--
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8706:) for the games in California (2012- ) that use a different team division. Of course each article would have to cross-reference the other, and the NFLPA's involvement would be mentioned appropriately in both. I recognize that this is not a perfect division, in particular because the 2011 game arguably fits in both categories, but it seems the most logical way to divide them. --
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style on capitalization says wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. This seems like a case where capitalization is indeed unnecessary. "NFL Draft" may be the branding the NFL uses for its drafts, but it seems to me that it's more commonly described as the "NFL draft" by news organizations and others outside the league. This one's open to debate, obviously. We should let
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capitalized. My initial reaction from the discussion above is that capitalization is not consistent: sometimes it's capitalized, sometimes it's not. Since there's no consistency, it should not be considered a proper noun under Knowledge's definition and should not be capitalized. Is this logic sound? Are there other parts of the MOS that point the other way? --
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databasefootball.com don't include information on practice squad and preseason-only career stats, correct? I haven't fully researched the answer to this, but if it is indeed correct, I think it would be quite logical to follow their example, deferring to reliable sources rather than making the decision ourselves about how to represent teams and other stats. --
703:: Personally, I don't consider a bench-replacement for less than a season or an injured replacement as a primary starting quarterback. Every quarterback is handed the starting job with the expectation they will stick around for the next decade and a half or so. Some do, and some fall after a couple seasons. Those are the ones I think should be bolded. --
4483:. Just a thought. I think it would be good if we had one infobox template for all NFL-related people (players and coaches at least, maybe even referees), so that we could concentrate development and improvement on that infobox template instead of spreading ourselves thin with a bunch of them. In the long run, we may even want to generalize it to
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page, that is what Knowledge is, people take interest in certain articles and maintain it. It isn't a list that would be changing all the time making it not up to date or accurate. Most coaching changes happen in January, and there is usually only between 6-8 each season. So keeping the article up to date and accurate isn't difficult at all.
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article. That being said, now that it's been created and appears to be well-sourced, I don't see any point in working to get it deleted, as the information it contains is valid and it may have value for others. My concern with it would primarily be maintenance, since it will have to be updated for each and every coaching change, but if
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very first hit, at nfl.com, with NFL Draft as title but "Get the latest NFL draft news..." as text. And the NFL Draft 2013 ESPN page that says "ESPN.com has full coverage of the 2013 NFL draft." And the 2014 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com page that says "CBSSports.com provides full coverage of the 2013 NFL draft..." –
5409:, and nobody would be adding see also's to the other MVPs just because the template did not exist. Guidelines aside, what reliable sources really writes about all Pro Bowl MVPs as a group? Pro Bowl MVP isnt even worthy to mention in the lead of any bio that would be an FA. If this isn't clutter, I dont know what is. Just look at
2834:). The only issue is that we would have to create over 200 separate templates for each regular season and postseason game. But we would save the effort of having to edit both the two relevant team season articles (or three during the postseason when we have the additional playoff article) that list the same information. Thoughts?
2830:. Their purpose is "to collect source text used in several articles in one place, in order to minimize maintenance and storage space". Using this model, we could create, for example, a 2012 Packers-Seahawks template that could be used on the Packers season article and the Seahawks article (and any additional article like the
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removal I don't agree with is removing the current NFL head coach one. I can live with the only two categories on there being Super Bowl lists and NFL head coaches, and I can live with the only nav boxes being the Super Bowl one and current head coach one. The article is specifically about the current NFL head coaches.
12179:. The facts within the article are clearly well-cited, but the article's subject as a whole constitutes a synthesis of sources. The topic itself, the Super Bowl history of active NFL coaches, is not found in the sources, nor do I think it can be found in reliable sources. As such, it is a good candidate for
2924:. I'm not very familiar with this project but this information does not appear to be necessary or even that relevant since the GM is not directly involved in the outcomes of games like coaches and players are. Is there any existing consensus for this issue or does anyone have any thoughts on the subject?
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game last night and the pictures came out crummy. I used to bring in a Canon DSLR with a big lens. I think I will try to figure out a way to bring it back in. Any suggestions? Can anyone recommend a good camera that they will let me bring in that also has a good zoom for shooting moving players? Thanks,
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useful, but I think people are much more likely to be wondering about the SB history of one particular coach (e.g. "my team just hired a new coach, I wonder if he's ever been to a SB"). In that case, I'd probably look to the article on that particular person. I just don't know how "discoverable" this
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needs to be cleaned up. I would do it, but this is not my specialty. I focus on taking players of pictures. And speaking of this, I bought a new camera because of all the new restrictions about bringing things into the stadiums. It has 30x zoom but I am not happy with it because we had our first home
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These figures seem to show at minimum that there's no consistency, which under my understanding of the MOS means that lowercase should be used. I'm not sure if they show that lowercase is "standard" usage (whatever that means; is something "standard" if it's used half the time? Or must it be used 99%
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I've been editing player pages to reflect their free agency status since the start of free agency. I'm having trouble trying to figure out the best way to structure the lead sentence of the intro. I've been using example: "Justin Deaon Tryon (born May 29, 1984) is an American football cornerback who
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driving them away with a bunch of warning templates and reversions, which is one of the main cause of new editors not staying in Knowledge). What do you guys think? Hardly in my history of the project I've seen professional athletes edit articles about themselves, so this is a unique scenario. Thanks
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Now, here are a couple of statements and questions meant to gauge where we stand on the infobox template issue, independent of the TfD question. They may not appear to be neutral, but I'm merely trying to establish a framework for discussion. I have no established opinion on the matter as yet. Please
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So, here's where we are. Batard, if you are willing to organize this discussion, I am willing to actively participate, but please keep in mind that we are talking about an enormous amount of work to alter the existing infoboxes. Bots invariably perform such work imperfectly at best and manual edits
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Magioladitis, no notice was placed on the merge target template page, Infobox NFL player, which is used on over 10,000 WP:NFL bio articles. The TfD should be reopened for that reason alone. You can't have a "merge" without two templates, and in this case, no notice was placed on the second template
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What biased search? I'm looking for instances where Adrian Peterson is called "AP", so I look in Fantasy Football articles because they generally have a less formal tone and are more apt to call a player by his nickname. People call him that, so it's his nickname. If there are significant coverage of
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Fact is the man himself has said no, that isn't my nickname. Fact is he has explained where his actual nickname comes from, fact is he has expressed how those who call him AP have it wrong. Yet for whatever reason you want to continue to have these people persist in being wrong rather than accept and
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I think that a worthy goal of the Wiki-Project would be adding "box scores" to the templates already on team's season pages. I have tried to do this for a few teams, but I obviously can't do it alone. I'd appreciate some help, maybe we could have users "adopt a division" or "adopt a few games a week"
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in articles for deletion. Winning a Super Bowl is a notable achievement, it is probably the hardest championship to win among the major 4 sports in the US. I would understand if it were a page about random coaches throughout the league, offensive coordinators, running backs coach, and what they have
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What do you mean it isn't found in the sources? The content isn't very debatable, either a coach was with a certain team when they were in the Super Bowl or not. I can add many more sources. There are many sources out there that say what coaches were on what team a certain year. And the only nav box
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page for Young, which does not appear to include offseason/preseason information. I certainly understand the desire to present more information about him in the infobox (I can see how one might think something's missing without it), but I think it's more in keeping with how Knowledge works to follow
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Hello NFL WikiProject, I know we don't do much organized collaboration here, unfortunately, but I did want to throw this out there as a way to get some articles to be useful for readers. Every 2013 season page has navboxes for all the games that, after they occur, need updating. While a bot would be
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for example, William Powell was just cut by the Arizona Cardinals, in his career history, should we list their last year with the cardinals as 2012 or 2013? I believe the new league year starts in March at the start of free agency, so any player that is released from the team after that date, should
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Thanks much for this. So it seems to me the question we have to answer is: Is XXXX NFL Draft consistently capitalized in sources? If the answer is yes, it is a proper name by Knowledge's definition and should be capitalized. If not, it is not a proper name by Knowledge's definition and should not be
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Actually, no, I figured at least that your "is treated as" referred to someone other than the NFL itself, since we already established that general usage is what's relevant here. And the pages at nfl.com are not consistent anyway. The "event" is the "NFL Player Selection Meeting", and the draft is
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The n-gram compilation is from books, which are usually more reliable sources than random web pages. And the web search mostly shows you titles and headings, which is why you see so many caps there. If you actually click through to pages, you'll find that many don't use caps in the text. Like the
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While I think the way the moves have been done hasn't been the best (without consultation of projects beforehand, etc., in a community that's supposed to be about consensus even after it became clear they weren't uncontroversial), I personally agree with the basic idea behind the move. The manual of
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We also have a pending merge of the NFL coach infobox and the NFL player infobox that WP:NFL must still resolve. When all of the coach options are added, the NFL player infobox as completed has the potential to become ridiculously long. I think perhaps we need a WP:NFL RfC to decide which elements
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dirtlawyer, the free agency status of the player should be mentioned in the first sentence. If were going on notability, their current status as a free agent is far more notable that the last team they played for. I agree with Bagumba that most readers will probably look at the first sentence of the
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suggests listing why a person is significant in the first paragraph. Their current team or free agent status is arguably the most notable part of an active player. Note it's prominent position in the infobox. Understand that many readers will read the first paragraph if nothing more, and shouldn't
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I endorse this plan of action, for what it's worth -- presumably those interested in the NFL should be watching this page, though of course the more voices the better. If anyone knows how to find other active and interested parties, let's notify them by all means. It's been pretty quiet around here.
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I've looked into this in the past and learned one thing: it's not easy. There are some programs out there (including some that are web-based) that try to do the conversion automatically. I've tried them, and they didn't work at all for me. I think you'll likely have to do it yourself using a program
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Yes, one of the drawbacks of the bigger project is that it involves a lot of editors with different interests. What one editor specializes in may not work for another editor. Starting a small offshoot here may demonstrate that other offshoots could be productive. But I'll wait and see who else might
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If anything most people when seeing AP, Football fan or not, would think Associated Press when they read AP. But as AD himself said, it's easy for people to be lazy and say AP, when they don't understand what his nickname actually is. Furthermore, he didn't choose that nickname, it is what was given
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I'm getting a "forbidden" error when I click on the links in the Quality/Importance scale grid. It used to show a list of articles that met the chosen criteria (i.e. if you clicked on the number representing stub-class top-importance articles, it would give you a listing). It hasn't been working for
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I think that quarterbacks who at one point or another were the primary, first string, starting quarterback (not due to injury) should be in bold. The box makes it too hard for the reader to indentify which quarterbacks were truly the most important. There will always be gray area (Tom Owens and Norm
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Is there a source that comprehensively lists out this topic? Good question. Is there a source that comprehensively lists out other Super Bowl lists such as "broadcasters", "officials", "national anthem", "advertising", "USA Today ad meter", "adbowl", "lead-out programming" or "commercials"? And are
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sorts them by name, which is reasonable enough given that there are no numbers in the latter template. It seems whichever way we go, we ought to have a consensus around which way we do it for the sake of consistency. I think the argument for sorting by jersey numbers is that it gives a semblance of
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As of two weeks ago, it seemed that we had arrived at consensus on the two replacement drafts, however since then Arxiloxos and Dale have either been away from Knowledge or busy on other projects. I would move these live myself but for the fact that I am a consultant to the NFLPA and do not wish to
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I dunno, it might be required eventually, but it seems a little extreme for now. In my view, he's adding a lot of correct information, which is a net benefit to the encyclopedia even if his link locations are wrong. Other editors can come around and clean that up; as long as he's not putting in bad
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and I don't think anyone saw it— does anyone know why all the recent draft articles have a separate reference group for trades? I don't see any benefit to splitting up the references: you can always just click the number to find the one you're looking for. It makes the prose look really cluttery to
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Guys, WP:NFL has used the heights and weights from the players' NFL.com profiles. We've gone through a generational change with several of our most active WP:NFL participants having recently become inactive, and some of these conventions seem to have been lost. Since most of the NFL team websites
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I've had this discussion before with other editors, Bagumba, and reasonable people can hold different opinions . . . but if the first sentence of the lead paragraph/section is a statement of the subject person's notability, do you really believe that an athlete's temporary free agent status is what
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Edday, when a player is a free agent, he is by definition contractually unaffiliated with any team or league, so "Bob Jones is an American football cornerback who is currently a free agent in the National Football League" makes no logical sense. Many of us have been trying to put the one-paragraph
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Batard, here's the problem with "de-escalation" as you describe it: it leaves the existing TfD decision in place. The TfD was fatally flawed, but not because the nominator failed to notify WP:NFL; that should have happened as a matter of courtesy and common sense. The real procedural flaw was the
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Mistakes were made in notification, but I'd suggest that we try to de-escalate this and fix whatever problems there may be. The TfD was listed on the main WikiProject NFL page, so it's not as if it was entirely hidden from everybody, but I concur with Dirtlawyer's points. In any event, I doubt that
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AutomaticStrikeout, I think you may be right in this case, but usually the "subproject" name is reserved for fully-fledged WikiProjects that are subordinate to other WikiProjects. These are task forces. They don't need renaming, I just wanted to see if I could get some clarification on the issue. –
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Hi all. The U.S. Army has been undergoing a lot of programs with the NFL concerning traumatic brain injury of late, and so there are a lot of stories on their site of NFL officials and players at various PR events, which fall into public domain and which Knowledge can use. I noticed a lot of images
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People being confused about his nickname and saying it incorrectly doesn't make it his nickname, it makes those people confused. People come to Wiki for correct information, further spreading an incorrect nickname makes no sense. The man himself has said those who call him AP have "got it twisted",
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Hi fellows! A user became in active and then this was started. This page was nominated by them and there is no one to fix the issues. I tried but I know nothing about the game and I m having trouble in dealing with it. I will not be able to do any more to it so can anyone from you please try to fix
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head coaches Super Bowl history, wins and loses, at any coaching position or as a player. The page was accepted and is now an active article. I added some categories to it but I was wondering if there is anything else I can do to advertise this page or have the link put somewhere where people will
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I'd be opposed to this because the nfl career history section in the infobox has a notation indicating the preseason/practice squad status. I think a player that is officially a member of a team for the offseason/preseason(minicamp, training camp, and/or preseason games) deserves to have that team
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has been up for well over a month now, and has received several reviews. Unfortunately, it has not received enough reviews - although consensus is leaning towards promotion, there is not enough reviews to do so. If you have time and are willing to do an impartial review of the article, please feel
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Thanks, Writer! Let me know if you have any questions about either of the two drafts; I spent a good deal of time in research getting the details just right, though it was tricky. As for Foxworth: I'd been talking about the article with an editor who suggested I find sources and he would add them.
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It strikes me that the articles on football rules and positions (and types of plays and so on) generally aren't very good. This seems like something worthy of trying to improve, but I'm finding it somewhat difficult to locate sources that discuss the history/evolution of rules and positions, which
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As for the dashes for the unknown jersey number of a free agent or unsigned draft pick, it has been the consensus of WP:NFL editors to use the dashes as a placeholder until a new jersey number is assigned. Personally, I don't have a strong opinion about the placeholder one way or the other, but I
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Gentlemen, Cuchullain and I have filed ANI reports regarding User:DragoLink08's continued disruptive editing and sock-puppetry. I have also requested appropriate range blocks for the University of South Florida IP addresses that have provided him with an escape hatch to continue his sock-puppetry
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I agree with PeeJay. The fact is this, people DO call him A.P. Many, many thousands of people refer to him that way. I think Peterson is the one who is confused about the purpose of this. He says his "true" nickname is AD. Fine, that may be what his friends, loved ones, and teammates call him. But
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Can I get a ruling on the use of "A. P." as a nickname for Adrian Peterson. Some anonymous editor came along a few days ago to remove it because Peterson himself decried the use of that nickname, but surely if people use that name for him, it's still a nickname? A third-party opinion would be very
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Zdawg1029, thanks for your work on this and for your post here. We've already had some back on forth on the categories and navboxes. I think I've explained my last batch of edits sufficiently in the edit comments, but let me know if you still have questions about that. More generally though, I
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has recently undergone a large scale deletion of material copied from another website. While that removal was necessary, it leaves the article in pretty bad shape, especially for the biography of an important player who has been a significant part of a Super Bowl winning franchise. I will try to
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I think it would be MORE confusing if we omitted offseason/preseason appearances from the infobox. Plus the article content won't always get updated properly, leaving us with some teams in the infobox, others in the article, and even others that were left out. I'd rather just list them all in the
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has recently been moving every NBA Draft article from (example) "2013 NBA Draft" to "2013 NBA draft" citing MOS capitalization norms. Not sure if anyone wants discussion of this before he continues to move NFL Draft pages (he has already started) but if you don't agree you may want to address it
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Based on the research I've done, and input from the NFLPA themselves about the situation, here's what seems to have happened around the idea of an "NFLPA Game" (note that the following leans heavily on primary sources; although I'm well aware that press releases are not the most desirous sources,
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dirtlawyer, from what I understand, the lead sentence should be a definition of the subject, in this case a football player. The definition for a football player should state the fact that he is a football player, the position that he plays, and his current status(the team and league he's playing
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hey dirtlawyer1, thanks for clearing that up. As for the capitalization of "agent", I think aesthetically it looks better capitalized, especially as a title on the infobox. And what's your take on the number. I think it looks better left out with free agent and kept in with dashes when there is a
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is one example who I saw pop up on my watchlist. Yes, like every new editor they need to learn our policies and guidelines, especially with sourcing, but considering the drop of active editors especially with American sports, we should treat them with respect and help them when needed (instead of
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Those other All-Star games are at a higher level, witnessed by the fact that the Pro Bowl is on the verge of being cancelled, and is the only sport whose All-Star games gets lower ratings than a regular season game. As such, its MVP is even less meaningful. Pro Bowl MVP are not part of player's
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When I was watching games this year, I kept noticing commercials of a partnership between the NFL and the USAA called "Salute to Service", which is intended to support our troops. Should a page on this partnership be created, or should we wait for the Salute to Service Award to be created, or not
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Given that this thread has been open for over a week, I would like to move forward. If there are no objections, I plan to finish creating a merged version of the template in the sandbox. the plan is to create something which will result in (1) zero changes to the visual presentation in articles
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Infobox NFL player already incorporates parameters that may be used to describe a retired player's subsequent coaching career, but I personally believe that the current design is far from perfect for the presentation of such coaching history. While I am receptive to considering an upgrade of the
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to that article. The user apparently is relying on memory, but I was wondering if anyone here can find a source that establishes that Walsh actually said what this user claims he said. I don't necessarily object to his proposal, as long as it gets sourced and edited to remove editorializing. Full
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AP is used as a nickname only by confused people who don't realise his real nickname is actually AD. That doesn't make it his nickname, that makes those people confused. Why continue to promote that rather than aid those confused people? You talk about me using a confirmation bias, but talk about
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and indeed the further through the Google results you go, the same trend continues. Most of the mentions of "AP" are people asking whether his nickname is AP or AD or people explaining that AP is wrong. Funny, with these supposed thousands of reliable sources, you'd think Google would be picking
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Hi folks, quick question. In the infobox for a player who attended multiple colleges, are all colleges listed or just the last school attended? Russell Wilson played 3 years at NC State, graduated, then played his final eligibility year at Wisconsin. Should it be "Wisconsin, NC State", "NC State,
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The whole reason I made the page is because I asked that very question, so I highly doubt I am the only person in a country of more than 300 million that was curious about that. In my years of chatter with people about the NFL, this topic has come up many times. I have no problem maintaining the
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Each bit of data is accurate and provable. The problem is the article as a whole. The question is whether the subject of "the Super Bowl history of active NFL coaches" is notable. Do you have a source that talks about or comprehensively lists out this topic? As for the navbox, navboxes should
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Sounds good. Sandboxing is also probably a good idea; we should think about what the ideal structure is – possibly a description section that covers what the position is today followed by a history section explaining its evolution. Should definitely play around with it, because the way it is now
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Thought I would get some feedback from you all regarding the list of Pats players article. I feel the article (as are many NFL Football teams player rosters) is unworkable now. If all past players are added, then all the awards info will make the article way too long. I thought I would keep it
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The convention to which Bender refers is a standard convention employed by the Associated Press and many, if not most American newspapers, and often employed by state high school athletic associations, of referring to a given high school by the town name (first) and actual school (second), as in
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There are always exceptions, but usually the format " () " reflects how the schools are actually referred to (e.g. "Southlake Carroll", "Dallas Carter", "Compton Dominguez", or "Miami Northwestern" -- we just add state for disambigation). Plus the current format is consistent with what we use to
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says "Schools names displayed should be consistent with how they are presented at NFL.com", which often uses abbreviations, such as "USC" for the University of Southern California, or "LSU" for Louisiana State University. In my opinion, we should avoid abbreviations to improve readability and to
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which I helped to start up a while back as a focused collaborative effort which highlights specific articles for improvement with one being chosen per week. One of my dreams for this project has been that it would lead to more focused offshoot "TAFI" projects that are a subproject/task force (or
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and yet, amazingly enough, a Google search of "What is Adrian Peterson's nickname" shows nothing on the first page of results suggesting that it's AP. Even Purple Jesus gets in on the first page, but no AP. Aside of course from some thread with someone asking whether his nickname is AD or AP and
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I disagree with those sources that don't include the complete team history of a player in their database. It's simply incorrect not to. You don't think it's important to know that a player spent any amount of time officially signed with a particular team? If I go to Vince Young's player page, I
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Seems like a good place to start; it's the flagship article of football positions, after all. Getting a good history section will be vital because the quarterback used to be a blocker. Aside from that, getting a good quarterback article could set a good precedent for the style of other position
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article and seeing where that goes? Too ambitious to start with? My initial take is that it needs much better sourcing, the position could be defined better, there's a lot of extraneous information in the "dual threat" section, and the evolution of the position should probably be explained more
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is an excellent resource for a basic overview of the game aimed at beginners. There is not an in-depth look at each position, but it does give a broad overview of most positions. The source is a little outdated, however - it says kickoffs are at the 30-yard line, not the 35-yard line as is done
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the usual "official" sources say Austin. Brees' website describes him as "A native of Austin, TX" and the Saints website also says "Born Jan. 15, 1979 in Austin, Texas." That would ordinarily settle the issue for Knowledge purposes, but in this case there are multiple sources where Drew's own
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I admit I should have left a message here but a message was left at the mainly affected page of the Infobox NFL coach. The TfD process was open for 10 days. Similar mergers have be done to all other sports. Infobox NFL player won't be really affected except the fact that some parameters will be
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In the spirit of cooperation, I think we should give some consideration to how we can use this idea, because I think it's a good one at heart. These boxes have long lists of starting quarterbacks, which makes it difficult to tell who was important and who wasn't. Thus having criteria where more
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For what it's worth, I don't really see much value in this article as it currently stands. I simply have a really difficult time imagining a scenario in which a user is going to ask the question "which current NFL coaches have been to or won a Super Bowl?" It just seems like an extremely niche
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I've reached out to a couple of editors who'd previously indicated that they might be willing to help out here, but haven't heard back from either of them. I'm thus hoping that someone from here might be able to take a look and, if everything looks OK, move the article over into the mainspace,
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says in the lead: "Knowledge avoids unnecessary capitalization. Most capitalization is for proper names or for acronyms. Knowledge relies on sources to determine what is a proper name; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in sources are treated as proper names and capitalized in
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Based on this, it's probably best if we limit discussion for the moment to the coach template merger; it sounds like it could be very tricky to merge in the gridiron template. In the longer term, it may be a useful conversation to have, though. I'd like to hear arguments in favor of having two
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As for Infobox college coach, it is not designed to dovetail perfectly with NFL coaches who have moved to and from college coaching positions. Infobox college coach was designed to be a uniform infobox for all college coaches, including football, basketball, baseball, and other sports. It is
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Doesn't this become rather confusing when a player has been on multiple preseason rosters over his career or even during a single season, interspersed with appearances on active regular-season rosters? As a reader, what I'm looking for in the infobox is significant basic facts about a person.
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It might be helpful at this stage to know what precise part or parts of the MOS are being relied upon in this discussion about capitalization of these names. Once we have that sorted out, I think it will be easier to ask the simple questions we need to answer to sort this one out. Any takers?
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disambig universities (e.g. "Miami (OH)" or "California (PA)"). There might also be a case, where the reader isn't sure whether "South Panola (MS)" is the name of the city or school, or both, but that will be explained on the school wiki page. I'm in favor of keeping the established format. --
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Infobox NFL player is the current consensus infobox for all NFL players. The infobox replaced Infobox NFL retired, Infobox NFL active, several predecessors or variants of those, and was supposed to replace all instances of Infobox gridiron football person used for American football players.
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Would it be better to organize the infoboxes by year more strictly. Maybe something like is done in the List of ... starting quarterbacks articles: break it down via year, that way it would be clearer who, and when, and for how long each player started. It wouldn't require us to define what
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I think that information clearly belongs in the text of an article, but could reasonably be excluded in the infobox. If a guy isn't on an official team roster, it's hard to include that team/year as part of his official playing career. Stats sites like pro-football-reference.com, nfl.com and
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Thanks for taking the lead in creating the mock-up, Frietjes. We have not taken the usual step of individually notifying active football project editors of this discussion yet, so I would like to keep the discussion open. With your new mock-up, WP:NFL and WP:CFB editors will actually have
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yes, exactly why the example I provided above in the David Carr player page is perfect in my opinion. It clearly separates the new league year from the rest of the years, without adding too much additional text and clogging up the infobox, while also clearly creating a distinction between a
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Just in case anyone is still watching this part of the page, someone has now taken care of my request. However, I'm going to have additional suggestions for NFL-related articles upcoming; if you happen across this message and you're interested in helping, come ask me what I'm up to! Cheers,
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Some of this may be in good faith -- for example, the Saints are switching to a 3-4 defense next year and there's been a lot of debate among Saints fans about what positions the former 4-3 defenders are playing now. That doesn't mean that unsourced changes should be waved on through—they
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Bagumba, I was one of the original advocates of using the high school field that was built into the original template. However, as I have seen the infobox fully completed with all options employed, I increasingly believe that multiple fields probably should be pared from the infobox as
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The capital D is pure vanity capitalisation. I believe Dicklyon is doing us a favour in downcasing: it's not a title, and readers shouldn't have to think it is and then realise it's not – even subconsciously. I'm quite satisfied with the evidence from books that he has offered above.
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should be able to quickly glance at his infobox and see that he spent part of the 2013 offseason/preseason with the Green Bay Packers. I would guess most readers would rather quickly glance at the infobox, rather than scroll down and read through the text to see his career history.
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It seems like untangling this, and deciding what to do about creating new articles, setting up redirects, etc., is going to be a bit complicated. Rather than just propose a solution to this, I'd like to get people's input and build consensus about how best to handle this situation.
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I can understand USC possibly being written as "Southern California", since USC can also mean the University of South Carolina, but I don't really know about LSU being the name of other colleges. However, I really don't care, since USC is almost always synonymous with Southern Cal.
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And yes, I also noticed last season that these articles did not get updated in a timely fashion, and were only done primarily by one or two users (sorry, I have to decline because I'm going to busy in real life for most of the season, especially during most hours of Mondays (UTC))
8127:, and I am avoiding direct edits due to my financial COI. (In the past I edited NFL-related articles for fun, but I'm refraining from that for now.) My request here is fairly simple. Though Foxworth is the current president of the NFLPA, his article currently implies that he is a
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I'd suggest using judgment and common sense rather than having a hard and fast guideline. The more colleges that fit the better, but if listing all the schools is going to mess up the infobox in some way you might just put in the most significant school or schools in the player's
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and my head was swimming. I'm inclined to agree that there should be two standalone articles and I'll take a look at your drafts in the coming days and may make some changes as needed. After that, I can't see why those shouldn't go live. I also noticed you're looking to clean-up
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was correct, but the link was to a page for a Central Florida running back. It's certainly an issue that he's putting incorrect sources on pages, but the content seems to be accurate outside a few minor errors (initially listed Swope's numbers as from Central Florida's pro day).
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is up for GA review. It looks close to passing once some small fixes are made, but before I sign off, I wanted to solicit opinions about whether the article sufficiently covers the "main aspects" of its topic. Is there anything you feel needs to be added? Comments welcome at
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Part of the problem is that the members of the project have a wide variety of interests, and it's hard to find an article that generates a lot of interest. Here, that might be a little easier, as the scope would be more focused and the members would have a similar interest.
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I noticed in my watchlist the past three days, three different professional athletes editing articles about themselves, two former American football players and one former baseball, mostly minor information and corrections, nothing extremely serious. Yes it's technically a
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anywhere in the infobox, since these are no longer necessary to get the bullet markup to work. this is especially helpful when there is nothing being passed to that parameter, since it tricks the template into thinking there is something there. examples of cleanup edits:
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The 49ers are relatively an easy one to do compared to other teams. Here are others; the early Broncos quarterbacks (prior to Morton) are very "iffy"-- it's almost as if they have 10 quarterbacks on their roster every year and they rolled dice to see which one would start:
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and I'm guessing the relevant section would be "Proper names", which says we should follow "standard usage". Well, from what I can tell, standard usage (at least in contemporary sources) doesn't seem to favour one over the other, so we should stick with the status quo. –
7397:. The main outstanding comments are generally regarding broadness, and I'm hoping that a member of this project may be able to address them without trouble. If anyone wants to pick up the article, it would be great. It's close to passing. Hope someone can help. Thanks. -
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7808:) and make the change if you agree. The reason I ask in the first place: this request is made on behalf of the NFLPA, with whom I am working, so in the interests of following COI rules I'm avoiding direct article edits. Happy to answer any questions if need be. Cheers,
668:: Bold quarterbacks who played for the team for three years or more. We already have date ranges next to their names. I don't see how this would be POV or OR, and it would at least give people a better idea of who played for the team for a significant period of time.--
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Because people want to see these other confused people helped and given the correct information. What's with the personal attacks? try to maintain a level of civility. Some have it twisted and think it's AP instead of AD, those people need the correct information.
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As the article provided states, people who call him AP have it twisted, some people think AP is his nickname, in reality it is AD. The people who call him AP have it confused or are lazy, that doesn't make it his nickname, that makes those people confused or lazy.
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is one of the best resources for the evolution of football out there. It mainly focuses on the college game, but covers everything from 1869 to the 1990s. I have and have read the book, and there is certainly a lot of information on the evolution of positions in
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6371:. We should use the common convention decided upon already, independent of sport, and not go with NBA.com convention for basketball and NFL.com for football, etc. If there is a disagreement on the existing team article name, get consensus to change it through
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I wouldn't be on board with this. I think if a player signs a contract with a team then the team should be included. We should be able to identify players who signed with a team early in the offseason (ex. Undrafted free agents) and were released in September.
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An SPA and an IP editor have added a wall of unsourced text (and a bunch of strange nonexistent categories) to this article, and have removed much of the pre-existing standard formatting in the process. I might be inclined to revert to the last normal-looking
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Here is a list of all infobox templates I can find relating to any professional football people, for reference. This doesn't imply any judgment about what should or should not be merged, and appears in order of number of transclusions. Add any I'm missing:
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my position is that we should include the new league year. I've explained why on my talk page in a discussion I've had with Yankees10. I think it may be moot because I think I just found the solution. Muletastic made this edit on David Carr's player page.
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Do we need to have this notation with preseason and practice squad? Could we not do away with it and say only inclusion on a team's in-season roster counts for the purpose of the infobox? It seems this might be causing more confusion than it's worth.
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article. Since I have a financial COI with regard to the article, as I'm currently working with the NFLPA, I'd appreciate it if someone here has a moment to pop over to take a look and, if appropriate, move the changes over into the article. Cheers,
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The page of Jaguars rookie safety Johnathan Cyprien was moved to John Cyprien a few weeks ago. Ever since he was drafted, I don't recall ever hearing him referred to as John. Isn't an article title supposed to reflect the person's most common name?
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it would require making a spreadsheet generally available to all editors to see who rightfully belongs. Frankly, I think the need to mark which quarterbacks are primary is an indication that the navbox of all QBs is not very useful and clutters up
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is, in fact, very common. I mentioned a few in my posting above, but I could continue the list with: Midland Lee, Long Beach Poly, Euless Trinity, Converse Judson, Louisville Male, Miami Killian, Dallas Skyline, etc. A number of publications, e.g.
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our sources, and that the inclusion of preseason-only teams could make some player infoboxes quite messy. And believe me, in five years, most people won't view his preseason appearance in 2013 for Green Bay as a significant part of his career. --
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player(using this particular case with David Carr) that hit free agency after the 2012 season and a player that returned to the team and was cut between somewhere between the start of the new league year and the start of the new regular season
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It's not really confirmation bias at all, you'd suspect that if it indeed was his nickname and used so often, then a search of "What is Adrian Peterson's nickname" would bring up some support for that. It doesn't. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Gcveintee has been changing/adding numbers for NFL players for months now, with incorrectly formatted refs. He hit an article on my watchlist so I verified his changes. They were incorrect. I spot checked four random edits - all incorrect.
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would not conflict with the style used by other major publishers, treating it as not a proper noun. In cases like this, where the recommendations of our MOS are not different from what we see in sources, why would there be any question?
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people in the media and in the general public are not his friends, loved ones, or teammates. Those people have another nickname for him, that being "A.P.". That being said, I don't know why his nickname would be used in his wikipedia page.
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reflects the most common name used in reliable sources for college sports, giving more weight to prevalent national usage over occasional regional usage (e.g. the "USC" case). This allows for the possibility of abbreviations that have a
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at GAN. I reviewed it last week and placed the nomination on hold but it appears that they have been pretty much inactive since the start of February. Is anyone here willing to pick up and complete the review on their behalf? Thanks,
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I think that sounds like a pretty good solution. If you're interested in putting some time to it, Arx, maybe we could each take one? As noted above, I don't edit articles directly in situations like this, so I'd probably prefer to take
7393:) (who nominated the article) made a good start in addressing most of the comments I'd made. It seems that Michael has not been online since April 1, and there are still a few comments outstanding in the review. The review can be seen
6600:. For Knowledge purposes, "notability" is the concept by which we judge the suitability of a particular subject's inclusion as a stand-alone article. If the first sentence is a summary of the reasons for the subject's notability per
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for example. I have reverted him a few times. He claims to be starting a new standardization in the summary of his edits without even going to the talk page first and he is marking them all as minor. I am not sure how to handle this.
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Very small change needed. On the main graphic, the Oakland Raiders are marked as having won the Super Bowl in 2002, when they lost to Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers are correctly starred. Just need to remove the star for the Raiders.
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Appearances on offseason rosters and practice squads don't strike me as that. Moreover, I think we're generally better off following reliable sources where that's possible and practical. It seems eminently practical to do so here.
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I'm looking for a general rule. Yes, LSU is (to my knowledge) not used by another school. So is TCU or UCF. But to improve readability, I'd like to have it "Louisiana State", "Texas Christian", and "Central Florida", respectively.
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I believe the NFL website is referring to Austin as his hometown, rather than his place of birth. If Brees himself and his website say he was born in Dallas and moved to Austin later, obviously we note that in his article. –
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I second Bender's endorsement of the existing format for one very simple reason: in our space-limited infobox for NFL players, if we can present the same information in one line of text, rather than two, we usually should.
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I would have to be in favor of sorting alphabetically, mainly because a reader would search for someone based off their name, not their number. I know a million things about football but rarely do I pay attention to jersey
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It appears to me that the data the user is adding are correct, but the ref links go to the wrong places. Is this right? If so, I think the user should simply be encouraged to fix the links...which it appears you've done.
4672:. Thus, as stated above, any modification to it will have to be done carefully and with full consensus. The last thing we want, from a practical standpoint, is to muck up a bunch of pages. People intimately familiar with
4657:'s FA article and some other significant articles, so from a practical standpoint, it's important that the template at minimum isn't deleted until a consensus can be reached and (if agreed) we can make the transition to
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That was me just before you. Notifications work. I was being a bit bold, having not found much pushback on such changes yet (just a few "I don't care for it, but whatever" types of reactions from some similar pages).
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6757:. Format like "Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei" don't always reflect the school's actual formal name, as not all schools formally take the city name. And I think city should always be mentioned to be more explicit about where
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something similar) for some different WikiProjects. I would like to suggest creating such an offshoot for this WikiProject. I would be willing to handle the clerical aspects of it. Would there be any interest in this?
7017:, use this format. There are, of course, high schools with rather unique names, that are usually refered to by just that (e.g. "John Curtis Christian School", "Oak Hill Academy"), but those are exceptions to the rule.
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Pretty sure JohnnySeoul doesn't have the right to withdraw those images now, as they are now effectively Knowledge's images. Just because he doesn't agree with the terms of use is not a good reason to delete them. –
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legacies, and sources do not refer to Pro Bowl MVP outside of routine game coverage. Nobody looks back on special Pro Bowl plays. This is not the case with NBA or MLB, which might explain why there are articles for
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I have no issue converting my PNG pictures into vector graphics, but I need assistance on how to do so. What's the simplest product to achieve this? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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When the Jaguars unveil their new uniforms on Tuesday, and other teams around the league eventually do the same, do we have anyone who will be able to update the uniform images now that Johnny Seoul is gone?
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If a player is released prior to the 2013 regular season beginning, their infobox should read "20XX–2012", correct? Been seeing a lot lately that list "20XX–2013" for players who were cut over the weekend.
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Thank you for raising this. It is a confusing situation. My research has found sufficient independent media coverage to support the notability of both sets of games. My suggestion is two articles,
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shouldn't—just that it may not be "vandalism" at work in all cases.--
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It seems to have been a technical issue that's since been resolved.--
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Very well said. Lets stick with what Wilson's NFL.com profile says.
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I took a quick look and I'm afraid didn't find anything, except for
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to featured article status so I'm familiar with the territory. --
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is a good resource for the modern role of the fullback in the NFL.
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2007-2010 — The Texas vs. the Nation game is held in El Paso, TX,
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Hello again, I'm hoping to get an editor or two to take a look at
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have to wade through the end to see a player's free agent status.—
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I don't know if there is consensus, but if there isn't already, I
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Sorry, it is hard not to be defensive. I will keep it up to date.
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Thanks. Do you know how to fix the weird box that is going on at
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was also notified, as a discussion between us inspired this RFC.—
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American football GA nomination/List of NFL champions (1920-1969)
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I revamped the article, but it still needs a ton of improvement.
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now. If you all agree with the moves, then obviously no issue.
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The NFLPA has now asked me to take a look at the article titled
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Good Article nomination for 1920 Rock Island Independents season
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Talk:2012 Packers–Seahawks officiating controversy#Clarification
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and changing the format of the stats in the main infobox, like
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Knowledge talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Years; reverts
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MOS discussion regarding linked NFL seasons in player infoboxes
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generally be transcluded only on articles that they link to.
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Anyone interested in creating a navbox for NFLPA presidents?
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For the record, I assume there is consensus that players like
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I recently created an RfC to determine the order of awards on
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Major League Baseball All-Star Game Most Valuable Player Award
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notability guidelines and may be a candidate for deletion. --
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The following season pages are still using the {{<team: -->
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simple and sortable. Example is found below. Thoughts????
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call him AD, just that AP is used as a nickname for the man.
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has been tagged as such. But in the case of something like
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DragoLink08: ANI discussion regarding requested range blocks
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Need help with an infobox edit war on Tim Hasselbeck's page
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untangling the situation with the article currently titled
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and another for the multiple ones for each year's starters
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about NFL.com links for older players not being supported.—
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A persons initials hardly qualifies as a nickname anyway.
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I am relatively new to this WikiProject. There is a user,
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I think the naming conventions should follow those of the
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List of Green Bay Packers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
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List of Green Bay Packers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
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would be kept as redirects to the merged template, called
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all have separate WikiProjects devoted to them, while the
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someone explaining to that person that it is actually AD.
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Fixed. I previously screwed up on one of the templates.
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the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page
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through the photos to see what's useful to the project. —
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Category:Paul Brown coaching tree nominated for deletion
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My first thought is that it should be deleted. However,
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which as the title suggests, tells you the history of
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I've noticed recently because of recent edits made by
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Maybe, if possible, also include them if they started
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Feel free to add any missing options for discussion.—
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Texas does allow you to obtain verification of birth
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List of national anthem performers at the Super Bowl
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which I'd be happy to help out with. I helped bring
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they be considered on the team for the 2013 season?
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Some have gotten more improvement than others...see
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A few more suggestions for 2012 NFL referee lockout
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more games than any other quarterback on the roster
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4473:Template:Infobox gridiron football person
4457:Template:Infobox gridiron football person
3896:Task forces, subprojects and WikiProjects
2365:Wisconsin", or just "Wisconsin"? Thanks.
2021:indicates primary starting quarterbacks.
1679:indicates primary starting quarterbacks.
1445:indicates primary starting quarterbacks.
1135:indicates primary starting quarterbacks.
502:indicates primary starting quarterbacks.
241:San Francisco 49ers starting quarterbacks
11293:
8119:article. My request is on behalf of the
5447:Major League Baseball All-Star Game MVPs
2947:, it was basically decided that listing
11972:Looking for assistance with article on
10734:Knowledge:WikiProject Canadian football
8659:Further complicating matters, however,
6820:as opposed to just <school name: -->
3900:Is there any particular reason why the
3490:I have a non-urgent question regarding
3275:I'm sure that some of you are aware of
2856:Several hours ago, I was approached by
2518:Please feel free to read & comment
2232:" apply to the preseason? For example,
14:
11419:. Which one should be the title then?
10527:NFL.com's Beginner's Guide to Football
8759:article conflating two sets of games.
7458:. Use "Southern California" instead.)
7413:How should college names be listed in
7048:article naming conventions for schools
6351:. My recommendation there was to use
6162:. The featured portal criteria are at
5380:Two TfDs opened: one for Pro Bowl MVP
4676:should be involved in this discussion.
4179:2012 NFL quarterbacks win loss records
2961:Category:NFL player with NA highlights
2718:List of 2012 NFL replacement officials
2716:Wait a second, if you're referring to
2195:John Garrett (American football coach)
44:Do not edit the contents of this page.
11408:Namath: From Beaver Falls to Broadway
11159:Thanks, I guess that's one solution.
10592:This ESPN.com article on the fullback
10365:Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster
8408:I'll get to it in less than an hour.
8109:Help with Domonique Foxworth article?
5981:Some images were deleted though. See
5407:Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award
3964:. Can anyone enlighten me on this? –
3627:Knowledge:Preparing images for upload
2620:, which currently points at the main
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722:more games than any other quarterback
212:
205:Proposed change to quarterback navbox
10389:Hello; I have nominated the article
9482:List of New England Patriots players
8123:, like with the John Mackey article
7409:College names in athletes' infoboxes
7373:1920 Rock Island Independents season
3875:Knowledge talk:Manual of Style/Icons
3613:" header), tag the old version with
3565:
2795:to monitor. Just a thought. Thanks--
2689:Talk:2012 NFL season#Possible split?
1774:Dallas Cowboys starting quarterbacks
1698:and other corresponding articles. --
834:Denver Broncos starting quarterbacks
25:
11928:Talk:Cowboys Stadium#Requested move
11905:Talk:Cowboys Stadium#Requested move
11081:Carolina Panthers FAC needs reviews
10925:Need help with final resolution on
7891:has been nominated for deletion --
5343:Template:NFL / NFC Champion coaches
5332:Template:NFL / NFC Champion coaches
3920:(formerly a subproject of WP:NFL),
3150:methodology is flawed because of a
2957:|highlights=No notable achievements
2545:roster}} current roster templates:
23:
11791:. Since his father is a four-time
10961:User:WWB Too/NFLPA Collegiate Bowl
8791:National Football League GA review
7749:) doesn't operate anymore, though
7482:University of California, Berkeley
6347:There was a similar discussion at
6164:Knowledge:Featured portal criteria
5983:File:2009-2011AFCS-Uniform-JAX.PNG
24:
12687:
11995:my proposed draft in my userspace
10568:. Dummies has broad overviews of
10546:major positions but the fullback.
8801:Talk:National Football League/GA2
7906:Changing team colors in infoboxes
7581:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Sports
7474:University of Southern California
7450:, as it can be confused with the
7448:University of Southern California
7022:(school name) High School, (town)
5896:World League of American Football
5885:World League of American Football
5862:Category:Paul Brown coaching tree
5837:. You are invited to discuss at
4302:List of NFL champions (1920-1969)
4258:List of NFL champions (1920-1969)
2724:), then... You know what I mean.
12175:think this article qualifies as
12040:
11481:Funny you bring that up. Me and
11413:Namath: Beaver Falls to Broadway
11037:
10956:User:WWB Too/Texas vs The Nation
10456:
8531:
8434:
7969:2012 Jacksonville Jaguars season
7941:
7371:Hi. I have reviewed the article
6912:format is common. If I look at
6745:Naming standard for high schools
6166:. Please feel free to weigh in.
6140:
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5369:
5337:
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3569:
2945:Template talk:Infobox NFL player
2565:2011 New England Patriots season
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12259:, nor do I think it should be.
12181:Knowledge:Articles for deletion
12093:Championship navbox consistency
11926:This topic is still current at
11903:. There is now a discussion at
11221:Do you mean the table, like at
10810:Invitation to join a discussion
10425:John_Mangum_(American_football)
8761:You can find it in my userspace
8665:a Texas vs. Nation game in 2013
8087:New sports related IRC channel.
7801:John Mackey (American football)
7432:documentation instructs to use
6367:, etc. which presumably follow
4181:today. First of all, kudos to
4105:Need help with sourcing a quote
2570:2011 San Francisco 49ers season
2228:In player infoboxes, how does "
12257:Template:NFL head coach navbox
12107:Template:1954 Cleveland Browns
12103:Template:1950 Cleveland Browns
11940:01:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
11921:05:04, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
11879:04:54, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
11848:NFL Starting Quarterback Stats
8469:I see that it is—thanks much!
7794:Help with John Mackey article?
7735:You pointed to the wrong bot.
7623:Am I the only person watching
7156:Talk:Drew Brees#Place of Birth
6375:." Same was also suggested at
5150:template:infobox NFL biography
5009:Template:Infobox NFL biography
4477:Template:Infobox college coach
4461:Template:Infobox college coach
4077:needs to be running more often
4044:needs to be running more often
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12364:USA Today Super Bowl Ad Meter
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11606:noted in his career history.
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10714:seems fairly disorganized. --
8189:IPs changing player positions
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6654:Back at the end of November,
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6041:Commons:COM:TOO#United States
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2753:NFL referee/official infobox?
2595:for the 2011 season instead.
2555:2011 Green Bay Packers season
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12169:21:02, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
12140:21:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
12124:06:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
11907:to move the article back to
11055:Lee Bodden on Pats 2011-2012
7456:University of South Carolina
5878:15:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
5851:02:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
5808:02:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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5718:) makes it rather doubtful.
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4934:As the editor who performed
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4262:List of Super Bowl champions
4243:07:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
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4173:Quarterback win loss records
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10935:posted here asking for help
10919:23:04, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
10888:22:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
10839:. Grammatically incorrect?
10814:Through this way, I inform
10534:The BBC's NFL in a nutshell
8501:some additional suggestions
7430:Template:Infobox NFL player
7032:to a school, not a town. --
6284:Template:Infobox NFL player
5591:RfC for order of awards on
5437:NBA All-Star Game MVP Award
5215:I endorse the plan too. --
5142:template:infobox NFL player
5130:template:infobox NFL player
5126:template:infobox NFL player
5019:Template:Infobox NFL person
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3802:Template talk:Footballstats
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2544:staff}} and {{<team: -->
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2360:Infobox NFL Player colleges
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531:This seems like a good idea
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12692:
11979:Hello all, as I mentioned
10854:Denard Robinson's position
8340:NFL Draft trade references
8011:00:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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7579:I've left notification at
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6720:featured list removal here
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6109:featured list removal here
6037:WP:IUP#User-created images
5816:
5606:if you'd like. Thank you!
5367:
5146:template:infobox NFL coach
5138:template:infobox NFL coach
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3556:Vector graphics assistance
2687:Discussion being noted at
2560:2011 Houston Texans season
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12099:User:757 Sports Historian
11724:that's why we have the ":
11031:13:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
11012:19:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
10989:14:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
10849:01:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
10845:See terms and conditions.
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10562:Dummies Guide to Football
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9195:for my source on this. –
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9032:block may be required. --
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8696:Texas vs. The Nation Game
8606:Untangling the NFLPA Game
8601:21:09, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
8554:15:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
8524:15:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
8344:I brought this up on the
8243:official press conference
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7375:which was nominated as a
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7131:Drew Brees place of birth
7028:parameter we should link
6272:20:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
6214:21:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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5841:how best to handle this.—
5509:banned from participating
5401:was created. This fails
4692:(transcluded 7,026 times)
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11787:No one is commenting at
10728:I've got the sandbox up
10578:tight ends and receivers
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8796:National Football League
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8506:2012 NFL referee lockout
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8382:2012 NFL referee lockout
8372:2012 NFL referee lockout
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7452:South Carolina Gamecocks
7298:featured list nomination
6074:National Football League
6067:National Football League
5829:There is a new article,
5749:Franchise timeline error
3617:Vector version available
3533:Helpful source of photos
3498:, but I have my doubts.
2722:2012 NFL referee lockout
2622:National Football League
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11862:Aaron Rodgers
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11161:Jeffrey Beall
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10570:all positions
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10269:
10265:
10264:Marcus Cannon
10258:
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10227:
10220:
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10198:
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10062:
10059:
10054:
10048:
10047:
10044:
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10039:
10036:
10034:
10031:
10029:
10028:Defensive end
10026:
10023:
10021:
10017:
10016:Jake Bequette
10010:
10009:
10006:
10005:
10001:
9998:
9996:
9995:Jackson State
9993:
9991:
9988:
9985:
9983:
9979:
9978:Marcus Benard
9972:
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9968:
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9963:
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9925:
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9909:
9907:
9903:
9896:
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9892:
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9882:
9879:
9877:
9876:Wide receiver
9874:
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9869:
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9812:
9809:
9807:
9806:Wide receiver
9804:
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9784:
9783:
9779:
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9769:
9766:
9763:
9761:
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9750:
9749:
9745:
9742:
9740:
9737:
9735:
9734:Defensive end
9732:
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9724:
9718:
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9713:
9710:
9708:
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9703:
9700:
9697:
9692:
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9526:
9525:
9521:
9519:First season
9518:
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9509:
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9469:
9465:
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9456:
9455:
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9450:
9446:
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9438:
9436:
9432:
9428:
9424:
9423:Here they are
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9399:
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9159:User:Dicklyon
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9011:
9008:The data for
9007:
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8990:
8989:
8985:
8981:
8976:
8975:
8974:
8973:
8970:
8969:
8956:
8954:ref leads to
8953:
8950:
8947:
8945:
8943:ref leads to
8942:
8939:
8936:
8934:
8932:ref leads to
8931:
8928:
8925:
8923:
8921:ref leads to
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8664:
8658:
8655:
8652:2012, 2013 —
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8578:
8577:featured list
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8287:WP:SELFSOURCE
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8067:
8059:
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8057:
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8047:
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8035:
8030:
8023:Active roster
8012:
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8000:
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