Knowledge talk:WikiProject Greece/Archive 1

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that this is an achievement! At least, we speak to each other, and we can collaborate in some articles. And believe me, this is very important. The cooperation board will hopefully further strengthen this collaboration, and will (hopefully again) constitute a place where crises could be discussed and tensions could be diffused. Speaking to each other even for minor issues is very important. We build and develop a good atmosphere, promoting a common understanding. I don't say that we'll resolve all the problems of the two nations here (we won't! I know!), but I'm happy that I see from the Turkish editors the willingness to know us better, to collaborate with us, and to create together certain articles. I must admit that, when I first saw the board, I also had my reservations, but in the meantime I realized that the intentions of the Turkish editors are sincere, and that they really want to do something good here. For all these reasons I do believe that this board has a point: it might make us re-evaluate our bias and POVs. In this direction one of the best initiatives during these first weeks the board is working was Nicos'

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regime in the Danubian provinces, which is of secondary importance to Greek history and to the Phanariote sphere of influence. It's being 'protected' by Romanian editors, whose edits and arguments are based on one-sided views and original reasearch. Basically the real subject of the current article is the "Phanariote rule in Romania", and I have numerous times offered to rename it and start a Phanariotes article from scratch, but it was refused - urging me to make edits on the same article. Due to some disputes I never did it when I had the chance, and right now I don't have the time to devote myself on this (it requires large-scale additions). Up until recently the articles of the most prominent Phanariote families were under their "Romanized" names (e.g. Mavrocordato, Ipsilanti, Kantacouzino etc), but I took care of that. The article must reflect what Phanariotes are really famous for, and the

2338:(he has also been president and prime minister), and it has the same structure. The problem with Karamanlis template IMO are the too many names of prime ministers before and after him (and there is also a "none" for 1974)! The fact that some of these names are red links makes the template indeed a bit "unattractive". Some of these prime ministers ("preceeded" and "succeeded") were temporarily in the post and they were not elected. I don't know if they (or the "none" for 1974 and the relevant explanation) could be taken away from the box. Does this serve encyclopedic accuracy? I'm not sure if this info is redundant. Maybe we could start with un-redlinking and making stubs for these prime ministers. Now, in some cases abbreviations could be used so as to make the template a biiiit shorter. E.g., instead of " 2374:

bottom of the article. The presidential infobox also carries information about birth place, date etc. that are clearly visible in the lead of the article. Where is this duplication going to stop? Also we should establish rules as to how big an infobox should be. As it stands right now it just runs down the article without apparent limits, choking and cluttering its visual development. I don't think that was its intended function. Please let me know. As far as the Presidency's turbulent times I think that's a valid concern but I am not clear on the subject. If you have information more readily available I think you should include it. Take care for now. Tasos. (

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have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at

2011: 2397:: it is about an artist, but the infobox results in he same duplications. It seems that infoboxes are regarded as working in parallel to the main text of the article, and some dublications are not regardes as serious problems. Again, this is my personal impression. I'll give the whole issue a more detailed research, and maybe some other users are better informed than me. So, wait for more opinions here or in the Karamanlis talk page.-- 906:. It works like the one of the Military project and, in any case, there are detailed instructions (I just hope everything works fine!). So, you (and every other Wikipedian) can submit the article there and have also a formal review. I can give you also an informal one, but I in a formal peer-review you may have better gathered and organized the reviews. In any case, the decision is yours. Tell me what you prefer.-- 2878:

opinion here, and to tell if they are willing to support a monthly collaboration. If more users express their willingness to participate in such an initiative, then, yes, I'll enhusiastically support it, because I do believe it is going to be extremely useful and it will contribute greatly to the improvement of many articles! A project without a monthly Collaboration is just not a complete and thorough project!--

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consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.

1670:, so I'm bringing it here. Is it commonly depicted in ancient Greek art, as the article claims? There are 10,000+ Google hits for 'Alopekis' but the vast majority of them refer to a street with that name. The plural used in the article, 'Alopekii', has virtually no hits. Any light you could shed on the matter would be most welcome.-- 1068:. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at 3075:

If you have concerns about these changes, please voice yourself. Please, also, feel free to propose further improvements. Personally, I believe that such procedures help us thoroughly evaluate the articles of our project and evaluate their quality. But, in case there are objections, we can re-examine

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What I can propose as a solution is implement the merger in the following way: 1) rename this project as Wikiproject Greece and rename accordingly all its task-forces, departments, templates etc., and 2) delete the current WP:GREECE. But, in order to implement this solution, I think that we must have

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I would like to point out one thing here: Despite our differences, the Greek and Turkish Wikipedians have managed to avoid fierce tensions, and to collaborate in a generally civil manner. Having in mind some other conflicts in Knowledge between users of different nationalities, I would like to stress

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In my opinion this is an article that should be within the project's priority list. Phanariotes are of invaluable importance to the rebirth of modern Greek nationalism, the Greek war of independence and the very foundation of the Greek Kingdom. Instead, the article currently focuses on the Phanariote

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I also think the collaboration is a great initiative, and we can create a section here. I had also thought about it from the first moment the project was launched. But such an initiative needs participation. I think that just two persons cannot keep it alive. So, I expect more members to voice their

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Having just received one — thanks Yannismarou — I can attest that the form is well designed, and provides useful information for a newcomer to the project. So now that I'm an officially welcomed new member of the project, let my first action as member be to recommend a personal welcome, in addition

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Yesterday, I noticed the existence of this project (created a month ago). I was surprised, because I did not know that. The project, though recent, looks to me inactive. In any case, I think that we should seriously discuss here about the future of this project and of ours. What shall we do with the

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Thanks for bring up the issue here, that notification should have been posted here as well. I hope that the board will be of use, I will try to get more users involved constantly. I was thinking that the best way to approach this would be to determine small tasks that can be addressed (e.g. intro of

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and Jesus, but the article on Prometheus doesn't mention any such similarity. Both are said to have "brought the divine light" to the people and both were punished harshly for this. If anyone is familiar with comparative religion or mythology and has some references to indicate this, can you please

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sounds reasonable to me. I was planning to include basically all Greeks of the Roman Republic and Roman Empire in the category, regardless of whether they lived in Greece or in the city of Rome or Egypt or wherever else. I suppose when precisely the "Roman era" starts depends on where they lived so

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Thanks for the information. But in the Karamanlis article the presidential infobox carries in some places the same information as the succession infoboxes at the bottom of the page. I think we should remove this info from the presidential infobox and leave it only at the succession infoboxes at the

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If there is no objection, I'll implement my proposal presented above, and I'll delete some time today WP:Greece renaming the current "Knowledge talk:WikiProject History of Greece" as "Knowledge:WikiProject Greece", so as to take advantage of the organization and background of WP:HOG. The members of

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and I think I've made clear my position. I intend to improve the article, since I have some good sources (some googling could also help), but the problem is that I'm also working on some of my own articles now. I hope other members of the project will also help. Thanks for your valuable remarks and

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Personally, I have no objection to proceed with this solution. The most important thing is to agree on that with the other contributors of the article (if there are any). Now, about 1985, I will have a look to the archives of Karamanlis. Unfortunately, they are in another house right now, and I do

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is there under the "Civilian impact and atrocities section" the Greek famine is not. The Dutch famine was a very tragic event indeed with some 10,000 civilian casualties but on the other hand it "dwarfs" comparing to the casualties (70,000 to 300,000 people!) of the famine in the winter of 1941. I

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can't go higher than it is until it gets properly citated, cleaned up, untagged and until the stubby sections that exist now get fixed. This is my opinion. Unless, of course, it goes for GAC (Good Article Candidacy) and it passes; in this case it will automatically be upgraded to category GA (Good

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I removed Adam's comments not because I disagreed with them, but because they were out of place. The rubric asks for member's names and area of specialty or academic qualifications. It does not ask people to pronounce how Greek/non-Greek they are. Of course there are some disgustingly POV articles

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I moved all the "History of Greece" templates to just plain "Greece" and updating the project's main page to use the new names and not use the redirect. The only one I haven't updated is the large userbox as I can't come up with a new name. At some point, I'll start updating the existing articles

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I thought about that, when I initiated the merger of the two projects, but I was afraid of possible implications. Should we have to change the "WPHOG" to "WPGreece" in about 900 articles? I don't know. If the renaming can be done without such implications, OK. But in any case, using in the banner

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Thanks Yannis and Niko. I think that the information removal from one infobox is ok as long as the information remains in the other infobox. Having two infoboxes with the same info seems a little overwrought. I also agree with Niko that some of the info may be getting shortchanged in the limiting

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proposal for an appreciation week to end on Knowledge Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who

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Seeing as this probject is growing, I'm suggesting that we have a Collaboration. I don't know how long it should run, maybe a fortnight or a month. I think if we collaborate on some articles we can improve them significantly. My other suggestion is that we add a WikiProject: History of Greece

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If there is no objection, I'll implement my proposal presented in the above talk page, and I'll delete some time today this project renaming the current "Knowledge talk:WikiProject History of Greece" as "Knowledge:WikiProject Greece", so as to take advantage of the organization and background of

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Firstly i have to say that i am not much familiar on how a wiki project works (since i have not participated in another prior to this one), so, i am not sure if my proposal fits in the scope of this project. I noticed in the 'Announcements and Open tasks' that there are requests for expansion of

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are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please

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Well, the board is not necessarily a problem (altough is is also mainly inactive). I'll post here what I wrote in your talk page: "For me, the only plausible solution is merger. The problem is how is this merger is going to be implemented. WP:GREECE probably has the most appropriate title and a

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It needs expansion, citations, sources and other things. The fact it is tagged is not good. Do you intend to start rewritting? If yes, count on my support and assistance (although I'd not determine myself exactly as an anarchist!). I also think about creating a peer-review section, where we can

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Hello, I noticed we 've been putting the wikiproject template on greek-history-related articles. I've also noticed that some of us place the template on the main article space, not the talk page. I believe we should be adding the template on talk pages, as I've seen for example the wikiproject

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Since there are relatively few people in both projects (especially the Greece one), I think merging them into one is a good idea. If it ever gets big enough that there are a large group of people interested specifically in the history of Greece but not necessarily modern Greece (non-Greek

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broader scope, but WP:HOG has a much better backround, organization and structure, and it is an active project (whereas WP:GREECE is actually inactive since it was created). We must see how we'll combine these things. And I'll expect a response from the other two members of WP:GREECE."--

2640:, weren't you? I like Adam's proposal, it is elegant. But having in mind WP's conventions, it would be the title of an article about something that is called "CPoG" but must be disambiguated from other things also called "CPoG". If I'm wrong on this, I'd go for Adam's proposal. -- 2389:. As they are now, they could be trimmed without losing any additional infos. Now, as far as the lead and the infobox are concerned, I agree that there is a duplication. However, it seems that this dublication has become a trend in Knowledge. See for instance the above FA of 3204:. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are 2198:. The same article may fall under the scope of more than one project. I think each project decides what its scope should be. I see no objection to any project deciding that any article is within its scope. It might seem a little silly if the mathematics project decided 798:

of the article Phanariotes. I urge the members of this project to start their research in order to eventually assimilate this article in the History of Greece series. Users who live in Greece should find little difficulty in gathering plentiful and credible sources.

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I agree with most of your remarks, but I believe that we can co-exist with the current editors. I lean towards expansion of the current article, but, if we are provoked, we can demand a voting asking for the renaming of the article and the creation of a new "real"

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It is essential for the functioning of the project to list the new articles within the scope of this project in this section, so that we can categorize, rate and watch them. Please, show to this section the attention it deserves and list there the new article you

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Thanks for your remarks and comments. Your valuable contribution to the article is undisputable. But there are also other different opinions for some specific issues. I just think it would be better not to split this dialogue, but to keep it in the talk page of

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I just wanted to let anyone who is intrested now that Portal:Military of Greece has been created so if anyone wants to help go right ahead. If anyone has any requests for an article to be put on there please contact me on my talk page and I'll try and add it.

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We obviously don't have such a task force. But you can initiate one! I've followed this discussion and I had expressed my opposition to this categorization. My opposition was based on the fact that "paidikos eros" and "homosexuality" are not exactly the same

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Something else about the article. In "First and Second Presidency" there is nothing mentioned concerning the political turbulence of 1985 about Karamanlis second candidacy for the Presidency that was not supported by PASOK, and the subsequent resignation of

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Thank you all for your quick response. I also left a comment there but I already know that it won't change much. What we have to do in the near future is to gather up our sources in order assimilate this article into the Greek history series. Regards.

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status is awarded only after an official request, review and decision of the group after the request. I donot think if you want to establish a similar procedure in our project. The fact that we are not too many, in fact for the time being, could be a

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Whether it's orwellian or not, that's the name they chose to use, and that's what we have to use too. Yes, Dr K, it does have to be an exact translation of esoterikou - we are not at liberty to make up new names which we think sound more euphonious.

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I agree, both that it should be merged, and that it should be done by moving WP:HOG, since it has much more activity, history, and members. We should keep redirects, of course, especially from the hundreds of templates that are already on articles.

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These are just some examples. I know of course that all these things can be settled, but it will take time. I hope more members will express themselves and from the new year we will implement a solution. After all, in 1-2 hours I'll be in a

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I also created an Announcement section in the main page I placed it at the top of it with the open tasks. I did that in order to attract immediate attention. Please, feel free to put there any important announcements for our project.

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may attest, and as it was already made known to Miskin. "the most prominent Phanariote families were under their "Romanized" names (e.g. Mavrocordato, Ipsilanti, Kantacouzino etc)" - deliberate misinformation (the names were as given

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I now created an assessment department with instructions and other useful information. I also gave the possibility for anybody who wants it to ask the assessment of an article by the group members, if he does not want to conduct it

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After the inclusion of the new parameters, an article can be evaluated based on the above 5 criteria with just the addition of the project's template. For all the details concerning the use of the new parameters , check "Usage" in

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I got a similar message. The idea of a cooperation board between Greek and Turkish wikipedians is a indeed good idea (although a similar attempt in the past failed...). However, i am waiting till i hear something more, apart from

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where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.

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Nice, I think! I personally agree. I hope that other members will express their opinions too. But I think that you can start it if you want. I can also start it, but not before the Week-end. Until then I don't have the adequate

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As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.

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Should we add a new subsection dedicated to the listing of Greek history related articles just created? This would help a lot on keeping a collective eye on all new additions, that may lose themselves in the mare magnum of the

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I made an official announcement in the main project and the project banner. Maybe you would also be interested in creating (not necessarily now!) a task force within the scope of this project: "Military History of Greece"

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I think the project could go in POV articles and improve them through collaboration. I ask Adam and other users to name such articles and propose them for improvement. I think this is a very interesting field for action.

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I understand what you say and I think there is no reason to continue discussing this matter. The most important thing now is Adam, you, me and all the other members to point out which articles are POV and try to improve

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and other elated pages, I've noticed that the countries that participated seemed to be lacking pages denoting the sacrifices their countries forces made. And while I was researching some information for an article on

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article. I believe that only WikiProject Turkey should be handling it, since it has to do with Turkey. If you think that Greek history has more to do with it than necessary, then we will take our right to handle the

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I agree, having a task force that is not supported is a waste of bandwidth. I was also thinking along the lines of grouping articles of a similar subject by using the appropriate task force tag but, we already have

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I agree that the succession infoboxes at the end of the article as they are now result in a duplication. I think their main purpose is to include all the Political offices of the descibed person as it happens in FA

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I thank the members of the group who have started putting the template and rating articles. Just be careful about the criteria we should use, in order to evaluate an article. Just check the assessment scale in

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need work. I'm afraid I do not have the time to undertake the rewriting of this article personally now. But if you decide to go for it and initiate improvements, I'll be willing to offer my help in case it is

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What is going to happen with the members. I think they should all be notified, and asked if they want to participate in a project with a different scope (not strictly history orientated and less specialized).

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was rated as A-Class. This is not correct, since the article has just 3 inline citations and very few references. This is very poor for an A-Class article. It may not even meet criteria for GA. Again, thank

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This article has been vastly improved although I welcome other editors to go and further improve it. More importantly it is nominated for "A-class" and I was hoping some of you can go and comment. Thanks.

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does sound ominously Orwellian! As far as disambiguation I guess we have to live with the side effects. If you are happy with Adam's proposal go ahead. Nice talking to you after some time. Happy New Year!

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OK! "politics-task-force" instead "task force1"; I fixed all the relevant articles (about 50). I support the creation of new task forces Kimon, but such proposals have been made also in the past. Check

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would be in my opinion the very low level of exchange between Greek and Serb editors. With very few and partial exceptions, it is very rare to see Serbs and Greeks sharing interest for editing the same

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I'll add it to the goals. If somebody thinks something better or doesn't like the wording, please edit. A special task-force is a nice thought, but I think we should first have the main project working

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Nice thought!"View/hide" hyperlinks would be nice for all these additions infos (Criteria for B-Class, peer-review, task forces), but when I once tried it I failed! And I was afraid to try it again!--

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Every time we create an article, or find an article just created, we add it to the list, with the date of creation and subdividing the new entries between Ancient, Byzantine and Modern subsections.--

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As for your comment on "task-force1", I couldn't agree more. I would propose renaming it to "politics-task-force" and then create other task-forces for other areas, such as arts, sports, etc. --

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I welcome the creation of new task-forces, but is there any further eagerness for participation? In any case, I will notify all the members for these proposals through the upcoming newsletter.--

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Shit! I'm always doing typos. Nico, of course, they are within the scope of the scope ... ehhh ... the project of the project ... Whatever! So we can add the project banner and watch them.--

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Support merger, and have added a tag to that effect to the WikiProject Greece page. Probably favor the shorter name WikiProject Greece, because I chose it :), but willing to be reasonable.

838:. I again encourage the members of the group to go through the article and express their opinions. By the way, Dahn you're of course invited to participate in the project, if you wish it.-- 3497:("task force1" is, incidentally, a very bad name for a parameter; you guys should really change it to something more meaningful, like "Politicians-task-force" or something of that sort.) 3448:

Just adding a note - the "small option" is supported but, it's still pretty large. Would it be possible to make the "Criteria for B-Class status" section have a "view/hide" hyperlink? --

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I nominated the Greek War of Independence for acid if anyone wants to go and vote so this article can get the attention it deserves and maybe even get close to A or FA standard. Thanks.

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out there relating to Greek history, but this project is about improving these. The project members area capable of doing that without the guidance of a self-appointed supervisor.--

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to any experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around!

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is concerned, I hope that some of the members of the group who have declared their interest in the Byzantine history will participate in this discussion and will get motivated.--

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I agree and I will add this missing article in the relevant template of the main page. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to initiate this article myself during this month.--

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I think this is a very important issue. Some featured articles within the scope of the project have no inline citations. I think this is a very important problem, because they

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Hi WiiVolve. I think you may be operating under a misunderstanding. No project "handles" an article. There is no sense in which an editor, groups of editors, or projects have

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This is the tough task! I'll try to implement the merger with the philosophy of keepig the name of WP:GREECE and the structures of WP:HOG, and I hope I don't make it a mess!--

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And for starters the succession info must be removed from the presidential infobox and only remain at the succession infobox at the end of the article, where it belongs.

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regarding his categorization in homosexuality. The dispute is under mediation. That, I find a relief among all those ethnic debates! Another article needing attention is

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Pffff!!! I think most of the merger task is completed! I'll check tomorrow for possible mistakes of mine (they definitely exist!). Any assistance is welcome!--

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I'll definitely support and participate in a History of Greece military history taskforce. It is an effort we can combine with the military portal you created.

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article going a bit out of control? What can we do about it? It sure has a lot of redundant information and IMO it looks unattractive. Any thoughts? Thanks.

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and perhaps get a source or two? Page was created by a newcomer the other day, copied from phantis.com. Looks decent, but has no sources so far. Thanks!

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This article needs a bit more improvement and I'd like the opinion of some editors to see how it can improve and also if possible an informal review and

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I added the banner of the project and rated the articles you mentioned. I hope your useful comments will attract the interest of other members as well.

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Me and Michalis Famelis have worked much on Hrisi Avgi. I will see what I can do with Anarchism in Greece later. Grivas certainly needs to be improved.

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My second suggestion is a Greek location task force: This would include only cities and towns but also nomous and other region like the Mani Peninsula.

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Since Badbilltucker and I are two of the four people who signed up for this wikiproject, we almost have a majority of members in favor already! :) --

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according to the discussion we previously had. It looks stubby, but I hope it will attrack the attention it deserves by the members of the group.

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It actually looked like something from one of my nightmares. Anyway, I cleaned up soem parts of the history section to make it look acceptable.

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politely asking him to comment here. He is a native-English speaker, he has written many articles on Greek politics, and he is also a member of

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I have no objection to the creation of both these sub-categories. As a matter of fact, I believe that sub-categories make easier our job here.

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the current WP:GREECE will be of course more than welcome in the "new" WP:GREECE. I;ll also notify personally the three members of WP:Greece.--

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I agree for removal. I also note that it is inconsistent with the boxes below, because it hides under the carpet the preceding Junta primer

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At least I got the form right! I may have missed on the euphonics department but that's why we had such a great discussion. Thanks to all.

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in the Greek Knowledge, but perhaps there is one under a different name which could serve as a starting point for the English article. --

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I'll comment and I'll also give the article a thorough review. I had a quick look on it and my first comment is that it is really good.--

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confines of the presidential infobox. Let's keep succession information at the infoboxes at the end of the article. Take care for now.

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I have some suspicions about this supposed breed of dog from Greece. The article claims that it originated in ancient Greece, with the

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On the military history topic: it's worth pointing out that there are already two groups that cover the military history of Greece:

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are developed with lots of info, the article about the current Patriarch is rather poor. I think that he deserves a better article.

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Kyriako, I've no problem to give the article an informal review, but I think we can make the review official! I've just created the

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There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

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Ok, guys! We'll go on with it. If you have time, you can make the beginning; otherwise, I will start it within the next few days.--

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Given the relatively low level of activity in the area, creating a third group wouldn't really benefit things much, in my opinion.

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I don't know if this article can be regarded as being within the scope of the project, but I thing this notification is worthy:

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I was also wondering, isn't it time the banner got renamed to "WPGreece" since it doesn't only cover the history of Greece? --

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I think it is a nice idea. Can you substantiate it a bit? How do you imagine the structure and the function of this section?--

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I agree. It's also worth pointing out that most English-language histories, Clogg's being an example, refer to the party as

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I though of this form in order to welcome new members. What do you think? (section also in the project's main talk page)--

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overlaps (if the above project is active, I repeat)? How shall we co-operate? Should they be any thoughts for merger?--

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For the issue of tentative edits, I propose that we create a special task-force or at least a subsection in the goals.

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Would you like to establish a collaboration of the month? I have in mind some articles that might need our attention.--

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Adam talked about "the tendency of many contributors (not just Greek ones, of course) to write patriotic history".

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Yes, I forgot it. And the fact that FAR is getting harsher and harsher is not good for these articles. As far as

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This article definitely needs our attention, in view of the upcoming meeting of the Patriarch with the Pope.

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A simple redirect should take care of all the existing articles. Though I agree that it's not a big deal. --

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that had similar problems and I think we managed to improve the article. This proves we can achive things.--

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It should be called by the nearest translation of its name which makes sense in English, which is probably

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as it is more relevant to that project and I'm not sure how concerned modern Greeks are with mythology. −

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It's been taken care of. It was created by a banned sock, but it's now again been replaced by a redirect.

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get moved there? If they aren't, they are likely to get lost here at en: without being in articles.

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User Ghirla had the perceptiveness to point out the inconsistency between the naming of the articles

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This article needs a lot of work. This is the first party in Greece but the article is very small!

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article has very little content. Could someone please expand that article? There is no article at

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Another request -- I keep meaning to get around to this, but there's whole galleries of images at

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Interested in a particular area of Greek history, geography, culture etc. ? There are already two

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I think the article desperately needs an image of Grivas. I 'd be glad if someone could find one.

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In case I've done something wrong and you've missed it, I started a new article yesterday for the

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WP:HOG. The members of this project will be of course more than welcome in the "new" WP:GREECE.--

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I'll source it tonight. One of the most prominent and controversial historical figures of KKE.--

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How about a Greek peoples task focre: I am suggesting that it would incllude articles like the

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might be a judgment call: Greece proper only became full dominated by Rome c. 146 BC after the

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Good job Niko on the infobox. Still big for my taste but a real improvement over the old one.

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was within its scope, but I think it is solely up to each project to define what it is about.

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and ethnic Greeks who lived in Rome" are all going to be included in the same sub-category?--

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have told his this numerous times by now, and he kept manipulating the truth to prove a point

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must become a mere section (or even a separate article if it becomes too long), but not the

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Great job, Yanni. I changed some of the links in the sidebar and taskforce. Hope it helps.

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from Greece. Can interested editors check to make sure that any of these that aren't at

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The requested move has been approved and completed. All links have been disambiguated. —

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Knowledge talk:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board#WPHoG and WPTR templates

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that looks decidedly more elegant. What is the difference? The brackets. I suggested:

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not have access for the time being! But I'll check on what the relevant volume says.--

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I'm requesting for the removal of the WikiProject History of Greece template from the

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Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the

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Both your suggestions are very interesting, and to the right direction. My comments:

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here a consensus from the members (at least the most active ones) of both projects.--

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Where was that sub-page/task-force for that? There seems to be an ongoing dispute in

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I don't disagree at all. Michalis, justifiably had a problem with the literal form:

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Recently, me, Argos' Dad, Dr. K, Rastapopoulos, Michalis and others got involved in

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Knowledge Assessments within AWB. Click on the image to see it in better resolution

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article as well since Greece used to be Ottoman territory and the war was between

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In case you were wondering, I've wikistalked this talk and I couldn't agree more!

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is forwarded monthly to all members. I am not sure how this can be done though...

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has been proposed for deletion, thought it note worthy to mention on this forum.

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Since the title of the mainstream KKE is not KKE (there is just a redirect), but

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if you're interested; or, you can add it directly to your user page by including

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my

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is working on rating the quality of every Greece related article in Knowledge.

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I was browsing around some WWII Greece related articles and stumbled upon the

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qualifier inside the brackets. It doesn't have to be an exact translation of

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I agree. You can add this article there. I hope it will attract attention.--

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and ethnic Greeks who lived in Rome—are currently mostly categorized under

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Knowledge:WikiProject History of Greece/Politics and politicians task force

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but I think it deserves its own article and a place within this template.

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Thank you for pointing this out Michali--my mistake and I will correct it!

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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject History of Greece#Knowledge:WikiProject Greece

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I agree. It's just plain huge! Especially with the "B-class" section. --

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I gave Hrisi Avgi a review. You can see it in the article's talk page.--

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to the form. The personal touch is always nice and always welcomed ;-)

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TRNC issue), and work by small steps. A further comment by me also in

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tagged with the {{WPHOG}} banner to use the new {{WPGreece}} one. --

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I've been meaning to start an article (incorporating stuff from the

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review and thoroughly examine articles like this needing our help.--

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As I have pointed out in its talk page, the newly-created article

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How do we generally add new articles in the scope of the project?

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classicists, for example), then we could break out a sub-group. --

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Aha! So successfully that you convinced use you weren't! Cheers!--

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Article), but I donot think that it has any chance as it is now.--

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may be a bit more accurate title, but again I could also go with

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I received a notification informing me about the creation of the

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qualifier in the name is that the leadership was inside Greece.

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This article certainly needs to be improved. What do you think?

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Hello, I would like to request that WPHOG template support the

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The lack of such a section was a deficiency Aldux underscored.

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Knowledge talk:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board

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Knowledge talk:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board

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The first part of the name yes, but we are talking about the

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Knowledge:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places)

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What is going to happen with the templates, userboxes etc.

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figures, historical or still active. I am thinking to add

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Small version of the WPHOG template would be very helpful

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I agree with Yanni. Be bold, and let's get done with it.

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Knowledge:Greek and Serbian wikipedians cooperation board

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Feautured articles needing citations and our contribution

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and cast your vote or express your opinion. Thank you!--

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Could some of you WP-HOGs please give a quick check to

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Military history taskforce. What does everybody think?

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Most important discussions take place on the project's

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did found some references on it though, in articles as

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Articles that should be within the scope of the project

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You give us a red link here. Was it already deleted?--

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Interested in working on a more complete article? The

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points to most of the useful pages within the project.

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that will probably get removed. A number were just

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Thanks. I think we need to develop some guidelines.

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Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople

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You are right. Just let me tell you that this not a

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Assessments mode, for reviewing articles (pictured)

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Though the article about the 391:I'll work it out in the next days.-- 190:In the Wikiproject military history 25: 2106:Feel free to modify the form here: 946:Talk:Iraklion Archaeological Museum 932:Talk:Iraklion Archaeological Museum 120:military history wikipedians do. -- 23: 3056:Knowledge:Good articles/Candidates 2903:Balkan military history task force 2740:categorization of Roman-era Greeks 2501:history section of the KKE website 1430:Greek Mythology endangered in FARC 708:I donot have many sources but for 704:is a nice article! Well-done! 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I've commented in 843:20:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 829:20:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 804:17:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC) 775:12:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC) 766:03:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC) 743:14:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 730:11:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 637:10:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 483:About AWB (AutoWikiBrowser) 350:and others, I propose that 205:Collaboration of the month? 166:. For instance, I saw that 10: 3629: 3264:I've cross-posted this to 3208:. 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